Can you talk a little more about how you tied into the main? What transfer switch did you use? I have a 3 ton and 2 ton AC on the main, the furnace and everything else is on the sub panel, I’d like to go portable over whole house standby to save on cost.
@aaronsrose3 жыл бұрын
Howdy! I specifically avoided that in the video as I'm a mechanical engineer and not a licensed electrician. I'll give a general description of what I did, but I will always recommend that you at a minimum consult with a licensed electrician prior to modifying your electrical system. I used a setup that would typically be used to power a 50A RV. The generator has the same 4-prong 50A outlet that would be required to plug in a 50A RV so I installed the receptacle that would normally be on the RV itself into my external junction box. This allowed me to run each of the hot wires from the generator to one side each of the mains in the junction box. The neutral and grounds from the generator were then run to the main ground bus. (Conveniently, all my GFCIs in the house worked perfectly on generator power.) There is no transfer switch in this system. In order to not create a hazard, the 200A breaker directly under the meter must be disconnected prior to attaching the generator to ensure isolation from the mains. I'm using a relatively short (15') RV power cable for this system. It is 6ga wire. For RV use it is rated to 10000W and looking at the power pulled during my testing I do not believe I will exceed that so I'm not worried about heat. The only slight concern I have is the camper outlet on the junction box is effectively a recessed male plug. It has a good weatherproof cover on it, but at the moment it cannot be locked closed. When the house is running normally off the mains, the exposed prongs inside this plug are hot 220V 1ph. I'll be installing something to keep that secure. That's about it. Good luck with your system. Please bring in some good electrical experience before making any changes. Thanks again!
@jonwilson22043 жыл бұрын
@@aaronsrose thanks for the info, I definitely will be using an electrician, looking at installing a 50amp transfer switch. Thanks
@matzsky6393 Жыл бұрын
*100% best **Generater.Systems** I have used. A test for hurricane prep here in Louisiana: three AC units, 5000, 5000 & 8000, 3 fridges, 2 device power setups, 4 flat screens....AND I had 40% of the power meter to spare.*
@aaronsrose Жыл бұрын
Depends if you live where you can lose power frequently, or if you have a certain service at your house that must run in the event of even a short-term outage. I owned a house that was well below street grade and had an ejector pit in the basement that pumped all the sewer up to the street. It was only about 50 gallons so if we lost power, you basically couldn't flush a toilet. That's when I bought my first home generator setup. Now, living near the gulf coast, it's a necessity for obvious other reasons.
@DumbDadDuties11 күн бұрын
Very similar situations…had a 5500/8500 generator for years. Upgraded to a 12k / 15k about 2 years ago. The new generator runs our 6 ton and our 2 ton heat pumps simultaneously. Installed soft starts on both. Can now run everything in the house. Can’t run the electric dryer and the pool pumps / hot tub all at the same time but often see it pulling 52 amps at 240v. I backfeed the panel and use my main breaker to isolate from the grid. Thx for the video
@jacksmail77253 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Thanks. Received my 100111 in June 2018. Did the 5 hours break in time...Doesn't have to be 5 hours continuous but did several runs and keep tabs on a spread sheet. Have just over 15 hours run time now..Had a 3 hour outage summer 2019. Genny works great. Powered the whole house including a 3.5 ton / 14 seer AC unit. Ac and all lights and ceiling fans also running, the bar style power meter --on the control panel--only lighted 2 of the available lights. Awesome. Purchased the matching Gen Tent. Very nice. Using AMSOIL for the crankcase. 100% synthetic..I keep this one in the garage and just wheel it outside once a month and run it for a few minutes. I also swap out the gas every 4 to 6 weeks. Just bought a new battery powered fuel transfer pump from AMZ for 76.00..Tera brand (?) with a long hose. Makes moving fuel around a lot easier..Even tho i swap the fuel out regularly I use the Star*Tron Enzyme Fuel treatment in all stored gas. The portable fuel pump makes it easier to fill and remove gas from the Gen with the Gen Tent installed..especially during foul weather. Been living in central Florida for 31 years. This is the best solution yet for loss of power during hurricanes, etc..Sorry for the length of this note..Hope u have a nice Covid Free day. over and out.
@adrianmartinez7170 Жыл бұрын
Damn that thing is loud
@stevenwilburn93863 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very informative review. I just purchased this same generator and this video has answered a lot of my questions about how well it's engineered. Hard to tell from the sellers ads!
@PaulHigginbothamSr3 жыл бұрын
The thing this big Champion needs besides a sound box to run in, is if natural gas is delivered to your neighborhood is to convert the engine to also run on natural gas. The engine will almost run forever on natural gas and you won't have to get gas when the station is closed because of a hurricane.
@JG-gw3up11 ай бұрын
You need to understand that the typical non-inverter generator puts out a total harmonic distortion (THD) in the 10-25% range. Conversely, inverter generators typically put out less than 3% THD. So, if want to run a high efficency (read computer driven) furnace, tankless hot water heater, smart TV, computer, or UPS, 10-25% THD from a non-inverter generator can reak havoc and sometimes even damage the computer controls of your high efficency furnace or computer driven devices. So, if you want to run sensitive electronics, be sure to get an inverter-generator.
@aaronsrose11 ай бұрын
I was hoping to find an inverter unit this large but there aren't any even close. I suppose I could parallel a pair of 9k inverters, though that would be pretty costly for initial investment. (Maybe not bad f it did save my electronics) In any case, so far, I've powered the house for probably 100 hours with this one and had no issues at all. Thanks!
@19BADGER-F2507 ай бұрын
Just install a whole home surge protector to your panel and you'll be fine. I installed a good size one that need to be wired into a double pole 50amp breaker and it's been great. I originally had a generac guy come by to give me an estimate on doing a whole home generator on my home tied into my natural gas but he wanted like 20k to do everything and I got some info off him before telling him I'll pass, a couple things he told me they would do would be to add a whole home surge protector and compressor saver so with a little research I found everything they would use and same brands they would install and did it myself and bought this big boy generator. It's been great.
@benlyons77523 жыл бұрын
Outstanding. Thank you for your thorough video and review
@devinpigera63632 жыл бұрын
Thanks Aaron! Great review on how to setup things. Just got mine and looking forward to testing it out this week in prep for Texas winters.
@kenj.88973 жыл бұрын
I have a Generac 27k I think without looking at it , you want to talk about drinking fuel . It has a 16 gallon tank and it runs it about 7 hours . It's better than being cold or hot though . Nice video 👍
@danielteichroeb72002 жыл бұрын
The oil filter was empty when you checked the oil, level would have dropped after it ran a bit.
@trackrunner113 жыл бұрын
I always try to fill the oil filter first.
@warrenjoseph2605 Жыл бұрын
This would make a great choice for converting to natural gas since you obviously have it supplied to your home.
@aaronsrose Жыл бұрын
I thought about it. Though there is no OEM conversion kit for this one and you lose about 15-20% rated power on NG. It's just able to start the AC as itis, so I think it would not be able to if I did a conversion. Thanks!
@warrenjoseph2605 Жыл бұрын
@@aaronsrose I did think about this. Makes sense, just need about 5 five gallon cans to make gas trips worth it 👌
@marcperrone8355 Жыл бұрын
Get a soft start kit and you will easily be able to run you central hvac....
@nodak812 жыл бұрын
I'd love to get one of these. I own 7 other generators but they're all dinky ones. My biggest is only 7kW which is normally enough for most things but I'd still like to have a beast like this available.
@symbionesesla Жыл бұрын
Put a 521 Hard start kit on that AC compressor and it will greatly reduce that start up! I added one to my AC unit and its a dream.
@aaronsrose Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Believe it or not there is a hard start kit on my carrier. She's just a thumper.
@patrickkrager3 жыл бұрын
looking for generator now without breaking the bank. so I am doing research. I have a well so I need something with some juice. thanks for the video.
@anthonygambitta62203 ай бұрын
My WGEN 12000/ 15000 powers most of the house (fridge, well pump, water heater. washer dryer, etc.) BUT will not start/run my 3.5 ton HVAC unit. I have a portable A/C unit for summer power outages in Florida.
@Lumpia_In_Texas2 ай бұрын
Just buy a soft start kit for it
@jacksmail77253 жыл бұрын
U could call he Champion 800 number and ask about the Whistle ? Don't have anything like that noise on my model 100111. Also wanted to mention that we installed a noise app on wifes smart phone. This new gen is only about 5 DB less than the old Briggs 4k kw gen..but it is less at about 85 dB. and a whole lot more power. .Over and out !
@henryfung4056 Жыл бұрын
thats a beast of generator. I can run 2 houses
@LoudStereoTINYDICK Жыл бұрын
Didnt know Raoul Duke was so handy
@raymondroot6598 Жыл бұрын
this is helping with my decision on which one to buy. currently have a 5500 storm boss. great generator, have had it since the national power outage. of course my power was back on by time i got it home. just wanting something bigger now. have you done a 1 year review on it now?
@aaronsrose Жыл бұрын
Howdy! I haven't yet as I've not needed it too much since the last hurricane. Still runs good though. Thanks!
@alfonsofernandez49303 жыл бұрын
lol i buy this generator because of u .. tkx for the info
@jakemason94363 жыл бұрын
Two vids in one day. Thanks. Nice machine. Did you recheck the oil after running it with the new filter saturated? Looks like its built to last.
@aaronsrose3 жыл бұрын
I thought about that after I put it away. I need to double check it next time I need to run it. The news filter is a little larger than the oem.
@philp35122 жыл бұрын
Two words...soft start.
@raymondj87683 жыл бұрын
I RUN MOBIL 1 IN MY GEN IT REALY CUTS DOWN WEAR .ALWAYS CHECK IT AFTER U RUN IT CAUSE THE OIL FILTER ISENT FUL YET .
@madmike8869 Жыл бұрын
The only thing I never liked about champion generators is their governer mechanisms are wacky, like towards the end of your video your close to a half load and the frequency was 58hz when it needs to be 60hz when you tune the governer, and you can with a phillips screwdriver, put about a 8000watt load on it and turn the gov screw in till its 60hz but when you take the load off it will run to fast and be around 64hz to 68hz I've noticed on alot of champion models, other than that never had an issue with champion
@xjetpilot2 жыл бұрын
Aaron, I'd like to know if you were able to run your 5-Ton AC on this Champion generator. Please let us know your results. I'm looking to accomplish the same at my house in AZ, and I've been looking at this model, along with another Westinghouse generator. Updated: Looks the the video answered my question at 14:48. Nice. With a hard-start kit my 60,000 btu unit should run fine. Only 3 green bars on the load meter. I just need to run the AC and a 13 cu ft freezer and a refrigerator/ freezer combo in a power outage.
@aaronsrose2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I apologize for the delayed response. Yes the unit can run about everything. Though I've found that you don't want to be running something else with a big load, like a dryer, when the ac tries to start. Otherwise it's been great.
@samdaniel57039 ай бұрын
Did you have to make a modification to the neutral is it a floating neutral or did you break your neutrals at the main
@aaronsrose9 ай бұрын
No mods. Just ended up tying the neutral to the ground plane and everything has been good. That may not be how it's supposed to be done, but I've not had any problems to this point. Thanks!
@MinorityPatriot3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Aaron. It seems hard to find the Mobile 1 M-103 filter. The Mobile1 M-103A is easy to find. Is the 103A same filter with a new designation?
@aaronsrose3 жыл бұрын
Good question. I'll check on it and see what I can find. Genny is currently running well 36 hours into recovery from Ida. Thanks!
@aaronsrose3 жыл бұрын
Near as I can tell, the A versions have different packaging and a 20k versus 15k change recommendation. Should be mechanically identical. Thanks again!
@MinorityPatriot3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronsrose great to hear! Stay safe!
@MinorityPatriot3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronsrose thank you.
@mrorbit2u3 жыл бұрын
Do you know which natural gas conversion kit to use with this model?
@bubbatime2 жыл бұрын
This thing is massive and will DRINK fuel. Fuel that could be hard to get and nonexistent in an emergency. Plus, its not really safe to store 30-50 gallons of fuel (this thing probably uses 20+ gallons of fuel a day). At todays price, this generator sells for about $2300. I think it would be MUCH better to buy two smaller units that can be paralleled together, for less money. Run one generator most of the time when the load is less, and two generators when the load is high.
@jeffmoody28312 жыл бұрын
I've only noticed inverter units that claim to run in parallel...those are crazy expensive. Do you know of any regular units that can be run in parallel?
@dougduddles8464 Жыл бұрын
So, my question is, do you have a soft-start kit on your 5-ton AC unit? Or is it handling it just with a normal AC setup?
@aaronsrose Жыл бұрын
I do have a soft start kit on the unit. Not sure which one, but it did make a difference under normal power. The house lights don't dim anymore. I'm looking at an even softer start setup but it's pretty pricey and the unit is still under warranty so I don't really want to give them an opportunity to say I broke it. Thanks!
@dougduddles84649 ай бұрын
Thanks for the reply! My AC is a 4 ton, and I'm thinking this generator is just what I need. Sounds like a soft start kit is a good idea, though. I was hesitant about a Chinese generator, which, with the possible exception of Honda, they're ALL Chinese. But the Hond equivalent was nearly 5x the price. But, I have to say my 7500 running watt Champion has been a great machine. High build quality, good materials, and even good fit and finish. Gotta admit, I'm kinda hooked on Champion generators now.
@jorelsmith19853 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy. Do u know what size that oil filter is ???? Been looking for a match
@aaronsrose3 жыл бұрын
The one I used was a Mobil1 M103. Slightly longer than the oem but seems to work fine. Thanks!
@jorelsmith19853 жыл бұрын
Ok thanks alot buddy
@WeSRT43 жыл бұрын
5w40, 15w40, or Mobil 1 15w50 depending on your climate if you want it to last.... it's been proven
@johnwoitena29243 жыл бұрын
Do you have Heat Coils for you HVAC in addition to you Heat pump? and have you ever tried to run the Emergency Heat or Aux heat?
@aaronsrose3 жыл бұрын
Howdy! I have gas heat so there is very limited electrical for the heat. That said, the generator handled both my 30" ovens preheating at the same time. If your hvac runs on a 50 amp pair of breakers, I'd wager the generator could handle it. Thanks!
@semlohde1 Жыл бұрын
I just got the 10000/8000 champion and it came with breaking oil. But it's 1.2L in a plain black bottle from VietNam. Would you use that oil? I'm about to go get some 10w30 Penzoil instead.
@aaronsrose Жыл бұрын
It's most likely fine for break in. I'm using Mobil 1 in mind and it's been great. Thanks!
@semlohde1 Жыл бұрын
@Aaron Thanks for the fast reply. I'd assume Champion would use a good oil, and I see electronics and shoes from VietNam but not aware of thriving oil companies. Who knew.
@D1G1TALSYNAPS32 жыл бұрын
My electrician said that I couldn’t power my Trane AC unit because my generator is 50amp and my AC is 60amp
@aaronsrose2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm. I'm not an electrician, but the way I think about that is, my generator outlet is rated at 50 Amos per leg, and I'm running my entire house with it. The house is rated at 200 amps. You just can't use that much at once. It will depend on the start up current draw of your ac unit and the generator's capacity to handle that. Once the compressor is running it's probably drawing 15-20 amps total. Good capacitors and correct wire sizes are important. I can run the ac, the dryer and both double ovens on the generator at the same time with no issues, but if the ac tries to start when something else big is operating, it may trip the breaker.
@hpman23912 жыл бұрын
Get a smart start, soft start will only need like 30 amps or less for start surge.
@gw621120092 жыл бұрын
provided you have an ample supply of gasoline.
@IDNHANTU2day3 жыл бұрын
Did you mean kW and not kV?
@aaronsrose3 жыл бұрын
I'll be damned. I sure did. Lol. Thanks!
@guavaball3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a soft or hard start on your A/C? I've got a 4 ton unit and was looking at this sucker.
@aaronsrose3 жыл бұрын
Howdy! I've got a large start cap on the condenser and compressor motors. Originally it would dim the house lights slightly on normal power when it started. Now after adding the capacitor, you can't even tell and it acted normally when it started on the generator. I can't make promises about your system, but I would expect this unit would not have a problem starting a 4 ton unit that was in good operational condition. Thanks!
@guavaball3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronsrose great thanks for the info!
@matthewnunyabeezness66753 жыл бұрын
@@aaronsrose you might want to check out the Microair EasyStart 368 instead of the hard start system on your AC compressor to prevent any issues with the AC compressor. Hope everythings working out for you sir
@mrpawpaw70233 жыл бұрын
How do you know that your new generator is a girl?
@manuelcarmona38902 жыл бұрын
Because it's loud...
@leroynordgaarden6372 Жыл бұрын
I've been looking for a generator to run my 275 amp welder, which calls for a minimum 13000w generator. Do you think this generator will do it?
@aaronsrose Жыл бұрын
Best I can say is it might. The startup when you strike the arc will be what causes a problem. I would probably look at a 20kw unit for a welder that size. Thanks!