Chris Till Yes there's a push for E motorcycles, E bikes, E cars, etc. The problem still remains that no one has yet to set up an actual charging station, so, one would have no option but to stay within reach of their home after going X amount of miles out & back, just to recharge. I am however liking a certain model whose name I forgot but, it has a built in lithium battery inside the unit, plus it comes with an extra 2 batteries. It supposedly has some built in tech that draws juice into the main in unit battery from 1 of the 2 that you can plug in. I haven't seen any other models that come with more than 1 battery so, maybe for a lengthier ride, this might be the way to go until someone makes more on road charging stations

JIGSAW 4 EVER c geoffrey Maybe contact your local authority to push them to build chargers more quickly if that’s critical to making them viable for you. I think for me even a low range would be ok for my needs, even without public charging. Unfortunately it depends a lot where you live and what you want to use it for.

The thing with E stuff is that they have no "soul" imo. You can't feel the torque building up when you hit the pedal - it's just there. I love the feeling, when you roll out ur hand, and you feel that buzzing between ur legs, and you know, that it's because you wanted it. It goes up and up and launches u forward. Best feeling ever. You won't get that on E bike/car.

Munga I like the instant torque feeling a lot more personally. My old Yamaha 125 scooter took forever to rev up and actually start moving. Obviously that’s a scooter and not a bike with quicker response. The soul thing. Personally I think they’ve always just been machines as they are now. You could argue that vehicles of the future may have a ‘soul’ in terms of having AI and being able to converse with you. But when people say a machine has a soul, it’s like saying it’s analogue and has a mind of it’s own. It’s unpredictable and unreliable. So really most modern gas bikes have no soul by that way of thinking.

I'm not saying they have a soul like people. I'm just saying, that when you get into a car with V8 you can feel the engine by only reving it up. You won't say the same thing about 1.3 or even 2.5 :D And please try 600cc or 1000cc bike. I bet you will feel the launch instantly :) Especially on 1k. These are wolfes in a sheep's skin. They only look 'a little bigger' then 600/750/900cc, but the difference is huuuuuuuuge.

Thank you for watching it!

Good question, and no the brake light does not come on. So, you need to be cognizant of it.

Yikes...BMW's motorcycle division needs to talk to their i division and get the regen brake light logic from the i3 to put into their bike.....

@@EvansBrasfieldMotojournalist I does come on as I recall.

I know the BMW was available in Europe for a couple years. I believe Zero is available internationally, though their distribution system won't be that of BMW's.

BMW: 99 miles on 8.1kWh -> 12.22mi/kWh Zero: 89miles on 7.2kWh -> 12.36mi/kWh Believe both are using Samsung cells at this point. It's a negligible difference imo The BMW costs more per kWh ... but Zero doesn't offer anything between 89 miles and 160miles; a poor decision imo.

Thanks for your comment. Just to be clear, we went with the model that Zero had available for us to borrow. Our goal for this video wasn't to show which was the better bike, but rather, we wanted to show two different options for urban electric motorcycles.

Also, there's another charging option they didn't mention. You can get an accessory fast charger from Zero for your home or workplace for $600, and you can use both, the fast charger and regular outlet together to reduce charging time. Not quite as fast as the charge tank but a lot less expensive. I also think that there are 3rd. party fast chargers that would work on the Zero for even less.

Yeah, but you would need to run the fast charger on another circuit. I blew out a breaker the other day cause I tried to use a small air compressor while my bike was charging. The zero pulls pretty close to the 15 amps most circuits are rated at.

True, that's a drawback. I like the idea of e-bikes but in all honesty, they should be cheaper than gas bikes. After all they do have less moving parts, which is a plus for the owner, but also the manufacturer, less range and less performance overall (except for torque), and the big inconvenience of charging times.Batteries should be cheap and easily exchangeable so you could have one charging at home, at least.

They can be cheaper. I've heard someone compare the S model to a 900 cc bike, which seems about right considering the torque and suspension. Most gas bikes in that range are going to cost you $10,000 to $12,000 out the door once you factor in Tax, Title, License, dealer fees, etc. When you figure in the fuel, insurance difference, and maintenance an electric bike could end up with a lower cost per mile. Just depends on how much you plan to ride.

Well, we have ridden it in the past. Here's a brief recap we posted recently: www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/like-ride-fastest-electric-motorcycle.html

How much do they cost?

Motorcycle.com,thank you for ur reply.Do u guys still think its the fastest bike ever,even after riding thr Mighty H2R... Is there any possible chance that we can expect an drag race of LS218 vs H2R...????? There is no such quality videos available on youtube.

I got a charge out of reading your comment, however, I was shocked you dildn't write more.

Very good point, and it's this which is holding back the electric adoption

Krikket Warrior, well he did state a 120hz wall socket , for Europe and Asia/ middle East we have 240/250 sockets so we charge the the battery in 4.5h. I have the zero SR 13.3 2016 model with charge tank and it takes me 3h to full from 0% ( using LVL 2 charger ,not wall socket ) and around 5h using wall socket from 2-5% to full. Note : the level 2 charger heads in EU and middle East are different from the zero motorcycle is based upon ( U.S.) so you can't use a level 2 charger with a preinstalled cable and have to find a level 2 charger with a empty socket to put your own cable

Mansour Al Najjar, (I am happy your on two wheels brother, stay safe out there) What is the range of the Zero, real world use. I can do 250 miles on a tank. What is your top speed? I have reached well over 125, on a closed coarse. How much was your Zero, with it's extra (I think it's an extra $$ for the LVL 2 charger?) I spent $1700.00 US, yes it's used, Kinda the point =) I just don't see it. City cars ok, but bikes? Gas powered bikes for the most part sip the fuel, 40+ is fairly common. And again I don't have a loud bike, but at least it does not sound like a toy. More power to those of you who can get behind this E-powered....whatever. What if it's cold? The battery life is effected correct? What if it's hot? The battery life is effected correct? What about the infrastructure? Quick charging stations? (3 hours is still 3 hours) Again more power to those who choose to follow this path, you will need it. I just don't see any of these e-powered bikes "taking off" yet. Will they sell, oh yea. But a lot of us that ride like all the sounds and smells that come with riding a motorcycle. Listen to a Ducati, a Harley, the Kawasaki H2. Then listen to your e-bike. All of us over here listening to the music of the motor just don't get it. It is a symphony of metal, oil, fire, water and glycol that stirs our emotions and drives our passion. It is the gear heads drug, and like any good drug it is additive and pleasurable. Something like that is hard to give up.

Krikket Warrior , For the real world it is as stated in the website, but due to my weight I can say is ( for city usage stoppage from lights and heavy traffic / slow speed below 80km/h you can using non sport mode you can get a 300km easy) but due to most of my paths tends to use highway and 120km pathways I tend to take the battery into a 120-140km range. * Maximum long range I was able to do was city to city in a single change was 130km in highway speed at 120km ( 0 stop or slowdowns ) ** As for top speed it's limited for model year is 163-165km/h ( electronically) As for spending : It cost me a total of 25k USD including air freight to get it to middle East becouse , That's bikes + level 2 charger + delivery + air freight + document clearing + other document clearing As for the question into : temps My main climate is hot , so that's my main concern , the battery is not good when it hits 40c+ ( As per zero manual) And the other issue when it's cold outside it's easier to floor it as the motor can be played around as it can cool down faster ( since it's air cooled ) As for cold temps , their is no issue in my area as the battery can manage till -20c and work properly and don't need preheat starting As for battery being affected = zero gives you a gurantte for some ( need to recheck my paperwork ) years and also for the motor. The infrastructure is not needed on quickcharger , as quickchargercan only be used by ( energica motorcycle - Italian electricmotrcycle - way more expensive) , zero zero is currently limited to level 2 charging and level 1 ( wall ) *** As for your point not taking off , I get it , I have both zero and a Kawasaki z800 ( with some modes on it , for long runs - 600km + ), but note that in Europe they are starting with zones that are baning with any petrol / diesel veichel to enter so an alternative must be used , and battery technology can be upgraded to a point or an alternative green power source would hopefully be found later on be found. **** Notes : * when I ride my I weight 150kg ( non including gear ) ( that's 2x that average what's zero test cycle ) so my bike can manage much ** was doing a test trial from one city to another that was to test the city electric charging station ( had alot of time in that period ) *** never buy any commercial cable to use instead of zero motorcycle charging cable as I tested it out and it took less than 2 seconds to burn that cable , also energica ( the Italian brand ) has better and higher speeds but kills of range , but you have to shell out alot more money instead ( same principle as Ducati) , Also note , that zero placed that level 2 charging limitation so that not the battery to be killed early and can live to around 20 years easily **** in some point in time we have to give up the fossil fuel , but if people just jeep burning up all that resource which is also used in other products then everything else will become expensive ( like the crisis that is happening in Brazil becouse of desiel spike price ).

When the US starts "zones that are banning with any petrol / diesel vehicles" we may see a sales jump here in the US. But don't see this market changing just yet, tell then going to ride my gas powered bike. compairison 2004 Yamaha YZF 600 R = 208 mile trip = 4 hours Zero = 208 mile = 4 hours for the ride and add a minimum 6 hours charging = 10 hours Side note You state "I have both zero and a Kawasaki z800" proving my point. Gas is better, if it wasn't you would only have the zero. The fact that you have both just shows, the tech just isn't there, the range isn't there. Your not going to convince me otherwise right now, batteries are a poor idea for a power source right now. When the battery dies, and it will it. Land fill? Not able to recycle are we? Engine can be recycled, used over and over. Fuel Cell tech, it is more what we as a planet are used to. Pull up, fill up and go. No harmful by product. It will not take 3 hours to fill. The range will be the same if not better then gas. It seams to be a far better fuel idea then to try to make the entire population of 7.6 Billion to change(yes I know not everyone has a car/motorcycle). We can't even get along with our trades, religion or any other number of things that this planet has to deal with. It's a great start to see the ban on petrol / diesel vehicles, but give us a better options then a battery. Stay safe!

I agree. E-bikes should be cheaper than gas. After all they offer less performance and range. Less moving parts, simpler motors, simpler manufacturing and so on. But like you said you can get a used, very usable, practical gas bike for a tenth of the price of an e-bike. It's good that they're out there and for some specific lifestyles may be perfect, like someone who works form home and just makes small runs here and there around a busy, traffic-packed, noisy, smog-filled big city. I live in the West of the USA, with wide open roads, little traffic and miles and miles to go, hot in the day and cold at night deserts, few stations... worst possible place for e-bikes.

According to Zero, the battery will still have about 80% capacity after 200,000 miles.

Evans Brasfield If the battery still works, yes. Whatever charge it can hold won't matter if the battery dies out for good after 5 years.

Fwiw been riding a Zero SR to work about half of the time. 50 miles one way commute. Saves 10 to 45 minutes over the car in traffic as any motorcycle will. I'm saying it's as fast as the best of bikes for this. Two sets of Pirelli diablo rossos and an on board charger which was replaced free on warranty is all I had to do for parts. Electricity for that would cost about $350 due to free charging at work. Compare it to a bike that gets 50 mpg and $3.00 gas which comes to $1500. Maintenance costs? Will changes? Zero. Valve adjusting? Zero. Coolant? Zero. Clutch? Zero. Battery? Zero. Fuel system? Zero. Air and oil filters? Zero. Chain lube, adjusting, replacement, cleaning? Zero. Brakes are wearing much slower due to Regen braking. The seat and handlebar grips might be the first things to wear out. 😁

Gerhard Symons seriously? Do you know how much fuel and electricity is going to cost next year?

Gerhard Symons do the math yourself.

M. F. Why?

Edward Lorentz people with a long commute love it. People who want the smoothness of a six cylinder BMW but who don't want to pay 30 000 dollars. People who want the effortless roll on of a Goldwing, but who don't want a 900 pound bike. People who can't stand idling their bike for 5 minutes before riding anywhere. People who have better things to do than pump gas. Lots of people.

gasdive LONG COMMUTE??? It only goes 60 to 70 miles. Is that long ??? And when you compare it against a BMW or GOLDWING you are comparing it out of their league. I don't know if you know anything about motorcycles but I do and there are 100's of new bikes less than $10,000 and you say they are selling them? Where I never see them at rallies, on the road or in any cities in the USA

Edward Lorentz they go 220 miles. Assuming you recharge while at work, that's a 400 mile daily commute range. You may not count that as a long commute because you're a special snowflake, but that's longer than 99.9% of commutes. Even if it was only 60 miles. That's still a 120 mile daily commute. More than 4 times the average commute distance in the USA. 600 000 USA commuters travel more than 50 miles, so that's less than 1% of workers. So, yeah, a long commute. Oh, and BTW, I'm not comparing it out of its league. I've ridden both. The Zero has far better roll on pickup than a 'wing and is far far far smoother than the 6 cylinder BMW. You might not like it, but it's true.

+gasdive well you go and buy one . Enjoy it , and I don't take offense to your derogatory "snowflake" I hope you don't take offense to the "Wannabe" lable I place on you . Haha

Edward Lorentz I'm on my second one. A 2014 DS that replaced my 2010 DS. I ride it up to 500 miles a day. Does that make me a wannabe?

When he gets older, he'll start to realize what he did.

@S Defiel. +1. "Grandpa, what's wrong with your ears?" "Well kid, like tramp stamps and Beanie Babies, there was this short-lived fad back in the day..."

I'm no into it either, but why not? It's his ears not mine.

WHY do you care is a better question...

Fuck knows why you care.

1990 still believe in loud pipes save lives huh?

1990 it has a horn.

People in cars often have the radio loud enough to drown out the noise of an ambulance siren. They weren't going to hear you in the first place. All that loud pipes do is annoy the adjacent neighbourhood. Much like ricer fart cans and dumb loud car subwoofers do. It's your arse on that bike, you have to make sure it stays in once piece. Imbeciles driving SUVs certainly aren't going to do it for you. Just look at all the stuff they put on cars these days to prevent drivers from rear ending people. Why? Because people are too damn stupid to pay proper attention in traffic, distracted by cellphones or in-car entertainment touch screen bullshit. If you need a loud pipe to avoid getting killed in traffic, you either need to ride more safely or move away from whatever Floridian clusterfuck you ride in.

1990 I haven't noticed the *slightest* difference in the behaviour of cars since I bought my first Zero in 2011

Apropos name... stuck 3 decades in the past.

I wish I could make a lot of noise as I had changed out to loud pipes on my gas bike for the reason you mentioned. I tried to ride behind some Harley's and use their noise but they go so Damm slow it's boring and they are always hitting the brakes unexpectedly those guys are a menace. Save it for Sunday when the chrome shine will be more effective parked outside your local coffee shop. Buuahaha

Looking happy when earburn loud pipes gets out of the way and I pass them. Sheesh. Learn how to ride. Get rid of those silly handlebars they catch on mirrors.

They also annoy everyone within miles of you. Congrats on being a nuisance to your community. How come the guys with loud pipes never buy bright clothes or bright lights? Oh yeah, because they're less concerned about safety than looking cool. PS - you don't look cool.

It's clear you haven't ridden one. Yet. Bwahahah

They are far superior if all you do is commute on a bike. The range isn't an issue then, they're super quiet and smooth, they have virtually no maintenance, and you never have to stop for gas. You just plug it in when you get home each night. You can even put it inside without worrying about oil or gas leaks.

peacock?

Bruno M why? If someone’s in a car playing music they couldn’t hear you anyway.

Derek Jonez there has been MANY occasions where the sound of a motorcycle splitting lanes that kept me from switching lanes on top of them. One would have to be BLASTING music really loud not to hear a regular combustion engine

They've been out for 6 years now... myth busted

I saw a guy who died on his GSXR a minute after he passed me on my Zero SR. He was making plenty of noise. It wasn't enough to save his life. Poor guy. I watched him die. RIP my friend.