Who Would Be Jacobite King of the UK Today?

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Жыл бұрын

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@UsefulCharts
@UsefulCharts 2 ай бұрын
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@diamondsam
@diamondsam Жыл бұрын
11:46 how many of us hoped that somehow the daughter's name would still be james
@MrBKainX
@MrBKainX Жыл бұрын
Or at least Jamie
@namikazelevi
@namikazelevi Жыл бұрын
Me😂
@Wolfeson28
@Wolfeson28 Жыл бұрын
"Who had a son named James, who had a son named James......named James......son named James." Royal lines can be a bit of a broken record sometimes. 😁
@mfaizsyahmi
@mfaizsyahmi Жыл бұрын
That'd be very typical of a British comedy skit! Perhaps by the Pythons, or by Black Adder!
@JenniferinIllinois
@JenniferinIllinois Жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one who hoped that. 🤣
@peterhobson3262
@peterhobson3262 Жыл бұрын
Charles II, James II's brother, used to walk around London with only a secretary in attendance. Anyone could talk to Charles, making requests or declaring complaints, and Charles would listen while the secretary took notes. James told Charles that was very dangerous, anyone could assassinate Charles. He replied: "Jamie, nobody is going to kill me so you can become king." Charles died peacefully in his bed.
@chriswatson7965
@chriswatson7965 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention everybody was so heartily sick of living under the Cromwell theocracy that assasinating Charles II was unthnkable. Cromwell singlehandly set back the cause of democracy globally by 200 years.
@williethomas5116
@williethomas5116 Жыл бұрын
Ouch!!
@alecblunden8615
@alecblunden8615 Жыл бұрын
​@@williethomas5116A common Russian defence against assassination- ensure a ghastly heir no one wants.
@williethomas5116
@williethomas5116 Жыл бұрын
@@alecblunden8615 but that is a double edged sword because when you die you have to get rid of your closest relative too or else that person in the end does rule.
@Lord.Kiltridge
@Lord.Kiltridge Жыл бұрын
Royals out and about with no, or minimal, security was common up until August 27, 1979 when Lord Louis Mountbatten was assassinated.
@goodspellor
@goodspellor Жыл бұрын
You explained a very complicated subject in a concise and easy to understand fashion. Great job!
@sandpiperuk
@sandpiperuk Жыл бұрын
Two American tourists met the Queen who was out walking near Balmoral with a courtier, not realising who she was. After asking them were in the USA they came from, the Queen said she had a house nearby and alos in London and had been coming to Scotland for 80 years. The Americans said she must have met the Queen to which she replied "no but he has". "What is she like"? said the Americans? "Oh she can be a bit tetchy but has a great sense of humour". The Americans said goodbye and walked off. I'm unaware if they realised who they'd just met. Queen Victoria used to do something similar.
@ayishas4385
@ayishas4385 2 ай бұрын
I love that story! That was Richard Griffin, the Queen's former Royal Protection Officer, by the way. If you look up "Richard Griffin on the Queen's sense of humour", you'll find him telling the story himself. Such a lovely story!
@TexanIndependence
@TexanIndependence 24 күн бұрын
It actually gets even better. They asked to take a picture WITH the courtier (who had met the Queen) and the Queen took the photo then swapped with the courtier for a photo with them so they'd have a picture with her. Then when they left, she laughed saying she would love to be a fly on the wall when the Americans show their friends the photo and someone tells them who they took a picture with. Also, the actual words the courtier said to the tourists were, "Oh, she can be very cantankerous at times, but she's got a lovely sense of humor".
@kaloarepo288
@kaloarepo288 22 күн бұрын
A similar story involves the earl of Harwood who was the queen's first cousin - he fought in world war two and at the end of that war he was demobilized .To make sure he could readjust to civilian life back in England he was interviewed by the army chaplain who. not realizing who he was. asked if he knew any people back in England.:To which he replied that he had an uncle who lived in central London. That uncle was of course king George VI but the earl did not let on
@theoztreecrasher2647
@theoztreecrasher2647 8 күн бұрын
@@kaloarepo288 Not quite as portentous an occurrence but, many years ago, I was holidaying in Switzerland. Took a day trip to Lichtenstein and walked up the hills behind Vaduz for a view over the Rhine. A lovely day boosted the spirits and I issued a smiling greeting to an elderly gent walking down which was quietly but graciously returned. Back down in the town I bought stamps for the obligatory postcards and realized why the old man had had a vaguely familiar look - his face was on the stamps! Sadly no Kodak evidence had been secured! 🙄😉😊
@Tmb1112
@Tmb1112 Жыл бұрын
13:58 I was not expecting this plot twist lmao. That was amazing. Great video. Love the lore.
@jayt9608
@jayt9608 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to Useful Charts, he will pull the most interesting facts forth, and knowing how these types of things work, I had a suspicion that there was a Jacobite tie to the current dynasty, but I was not certain where it would lie. It is a most intriguing wet of facts.
@jacquelineandrade3281
@jacquelineandrade3281 Жыл бұрын
The plot twist of the Spencer’s was crazy! Great video! Love this channel as always!
@daveyjuice7710
@daveyjuice7710 3 ай бұрын
As was the 1997 twist
@Lost_on_stage_again
@Lost_on_stage_again 2 ай бұрын
No way on Gods green earth is that a coincidence.
@redrackham6812
@redrackham6812 2 ай бұрын
If you think that's crazy, consider this: Charles III is descended from both William the Conqueror and Harold Godwinson, in both cases through the female line.
@CS-zn6pp
@CS-zn6pp 17 күн бұрын
@@redrackham6812 It's all one large spiders web of families that despite regularly killing each other manage to keep everything inside the web.
@stalhandske9649
@stalhandske9649 Жыл бұрын
5:32 A small correction: it was not "Jacob" being variation of James but really the other way around - James being anglicisation of "Iacobus", the Latin proper name. At the time, monarchs in Western Christendom, Catholic & Protestant alike, were formally referred with Latin names by default. At the time, then, James would have been referred in treaties, acts, diplomatic letters etc. as something like _Iacobus VIII Rex Scotiae & III Rex Angliae._
@andrewbird6267
@andrewbird6267 Жыл бұрын
that is some crazy knowledge you know there, straight off the bat. You must be a historian of some sort?
@stalhandske9649
@stalhandske9649 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewbird6267 Thank you for the compliment. I am a student of history of some years, yes, but the information necessary for my contribution is readily available these days. Wikipedia alone goes a long way.
@user-sj5wz7tt9u
@user-sj5wz7tt9u 11 ай бұрын
I'be seen that in Russian tradition of English king's naming, where Charles is called "Karl", William is called "Vilgelm (variation of Wilhelm)" and James is called "Yakov (variation of Jacob)". I think that in other languages (French, German etc.) it might be the same way
@stalhandske9649
@stalhandske9649 11 ай бұрын
@@user-sj5wz7tt9u Yeah, most probably. In Finland Charles III is the first British monarch whose ruling name will _not_ be translated (Kaarle III) but will be written and pronounced in native form. I guess it was deemed that the population has learned to pronounce English widely enough. Not sure whether this policy will be observed with new monarchs of other countries, though.
@kevcaratacus9428
@kevcaratacus9428 3 ай бұрын
Yes even his coins all use the latin name Jacobus rex. . I think most kings from normans onwards used Latin spelling, William- Guellum ( wrong spelling but close enough) John - Johan. Others just had ius added. Edwardius. Henricus Charles- Carolos I think women stayed the same Anne Elizabeth Mary . Victoria.
@adoman6355
@adoman6355 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating!!! After 42 years of hearing that Princes Diana had more blue blood than Charles and never knowing through what line, it all finally makes. This is amazing!!!! Thank you for a job extremely well done!! Looking forward to checking out your other videos!!!!
@knoll9812
@knoll9812 Жыл бұрын
She had more English blue blood than the Royal Family
@terriersaustralia
@terriersaustralia 16 күн бұрын
same!!
@NathanS__
@NathanS__ Жыл бұрын
Video suggestion, who would be LORD PROTECTOR of Great Britain? Cromwell set it up as a hereditary office and passed it down to his son Richard. However Richard failed to maintain it as the monarchy returned, but What if the line of Lord Protectors continued?
@yrobtsvt
@yrobtsvt Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion. I see he had a ton of daughters and granddaughters.
@LordCoeCoe
@LordCoeCoe Жыл бұрын
Really funny that some random dude nearly created his monarchy.
@StoneStoryHenriZ
@StoneStoryHenriZ Жыл бұрын
Lord protector created a republic so there’s no succession at all. Case closed!
@zacharyjakob
@zacharyjakob Жыл бұрын
@@StoneStoryHenriZ He was actually offered the crown by Parliament, but refused after much deliberation
@VV_PaVria
@VV_PaVria Жыл бұрын
@@StoneStoryHenriZ To be frank, "republic" didn't mean democratic in those times. The succession was de facto primogeniture, so the Protectorate would've functioned the same way North Korea does now. Both are "republics" but the heads of state are passed down just like in a monarchy.
@jamesdulany2176
@jamesdulany2176 Жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that Prince Joseph of Liechtenstein is the first Jacobite claimant since the Old Pretender to be born in Britian.
@dorderre
@dorderre Жыл бұрын
He did this video once before, a few years back, and in this older version he did point out that fact you mentioned.
@WelcomeToJ
@WelcomeToJ Жыл бұрын
@@dorderre Ya, wondered why he did this video a second time.
@ilonat8373
@ilonat8373 Жыл бұрын
He also british educated. He went to Malvern College.
@apburner1
@apburner1 Жыл бұрын
@@Sunsetaren The "true" monarch of Great Britain is whoever parliament says it is, so meh to your hysterics.
@dorderre
@dorderre Жыл бұрын
@@Sunsetaren #1 is being gay a reason to exclude someone from the line of succession? At least in England/GB/UK? #2 that's a technicality based on your assumption that the answer to #1 would be yes. Even if it were, it wouldn't change anything that came afterwards. It would have switched one pretender for another and the rest continued as is #3 see #1 and also see #2 #4 that's an oversight on Matt's part which he should change. You're right #5 what happened in 1485? Oh yeah, the welsh Henry Tudor conquered England and was recognised by parliament as the new king.That's really all the claim you needed to be monarch of England. Every older claim was null and void from that moment onwards. Then you got the Republic, when - you guessed it - parliament decided, they didn't want a king no more, only to change their opinion again eleven years later. In 1701 parliament decreed they didn't want any catholics anymore etc which made the throne go to the Welfs, the Wettins and now the Oldenburgs. Three german dynasties in a row just bcs they didn't like the catholics xD
@OlsenTheWonderDog
@OlsenTheWonderDog Жыл бұрын
I’ve watched two of your videos and I am pleased with how easily you presented the complicated lines of succession in both videos. You have a way of synthesizing complex information into a concise and understandable summary. Very enjoyable and informative.
@epicsamurai5
@epicsamurai5 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video about how Louis IX, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt is the new Nearest Common Ancestor of all reigning European monarchs.
@dorderre
@dorderre Жыл бұрын
History Tea Time with Lindsay Holiday made a video about this topic, showing that all of them can trace back to Johan Friso of the Netherlands. Not sure if he's the latest though.
@mr.d8747
@mr.d8747 Жыл бұрын
​@@dorderre *John William Friso really was the nearest common ancestor of all european monarch, but that title passed to Louis IX, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt when Charles III succeded his mother, Elizabeth II because he is a descendant of Louis through his father, Prince Philip. But it's unlikely that Matt would make such chart because Matt only does ROYAL (aka. at least a King/ Queen) family trees. (Licheinstein and Monaco are principalities and Luxemburg is a Grand Duchy.)
@gijsfromthenetherlands5668
@gijsfromthenetherlands5668 Жыл бұрын
@@mr.d8747 it is not John, the other person is right it is Johan Willem Friso
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын
@@mr.d8747 I think Matt would do minor state hereditary items given the traceability of the people involved
@dangeiger9796
@dangeiger9796 Жыл бұрын
Do you have a link that video?
@1CelloOne
@1CelloOne Жыл бұрын
Wow, so the Jacobite line has come full-circle! I love your charts - thank you for all the charts you share with the world!
@ANGELSVEN
@ANGELSVEN Жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking! Full circle. :D
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
It hasn't. The Jacobite line is the senior legitimate line of descent, according to male preference primogeniture, from the Royal House of Stuart. The lines of descent from the Stuart to Spencer are illegitimate, so they are entirely separate from the Jacobite line.
@1CelloOne
@1CelloOne Жыл бұрын
@@thomasburke9060 the line is still there though, illegitimate or not.
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
@@1CelloOne What line? The illegitimate lines of descent from Stuart to Spencer are separate from the Jacobite line. So "the Jacobite line has come full circle" is false.
@mikeg2306
@mikeg2306 Жыл бұрын
300 years of inbreeding will do that. It’s surprising it took so long.
@mariareid5706
@mariareid5706 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the clarity of your information so much! Great work! Incredibly interesting!
@adventureswithaurora
@adventureswithaurora Жыл бұрын
Oh. My. Goodness. This was amazingly explained and contained all the perfect research I needed for an essay I'm writing on the Jacobite uprisings! Thank you so much.
@AnAlienInThisWorld
@AnAlienInThisWorld Жыл бұрын
Funny how part of the Jacobite resistance to King George and his heirs was that they were German... when the current heir to the Jacobite line is also - wait for it - German 😅European royalty really is one giant mish-mash of relatives!
@TheeGrumpy
@TheeGrumpy Жыл бұрын
Better a German than a Catholic, I guess.
@milobem4458
@milobem4458 Жыл бұрын
@@TheeGrumpy Prince of Liechtenstein is a German speaking Catholic.
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
It's not that they sincerely believed that being German was an impediment to rightful inheritance. It's just that it was a useful rhetorical tool.
@goldenrosie
@goldenrosie Жыл бұрын
Ancient Egyptian Royal family trees are more extreme versions of a mish mash. Cleopatra’s Greek family had so many uncle, niece and sibling marriage.
@charmainelamont2020
@charmainelamont2020 Жыл бұрын
It had nothing to do with him being German, it was because he wasn't the rightful King.
@bethanywicker8990
@bethanywicker8990 Жыл бұрын
Bonnie Prince Charlie had an illegitimate daughter, Charlotte whom he later legitimised and gave the title of Duchess of Albany. In fact she took care of him til his death. She had three children but theu weren't legitimised. I suppose they could have been legitimised if Charlotte had seriously been considered the Jacobite heir. There is also scholarly debate as to whether her children had children or not as they were raised in obscurity because their father was a bishop. But a illegitimate daughter can be legitimised to inherit a throne. Prince Albert of Monico is on his throne today thanks to the legitamising of an illegitimate daughter.
@cyrilmarasigan7108
@cyrilmarasigan7108 Жыл бұрын
Rainier iii's mother was "adopted" thanks to the new law of succession in Monaco
@bethanywicker8990
@bethanywicker8990 Жыл бұрын
@@cyrilmarasigan7108 yes but before it was considered invalid, she was legitimised.
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
Theoretically, but it tends to not happen. The Beaufort line was legitimized, but it was made clear that they were not legitimized to be included in the succession (nobody understood Henry Tudor to be King on the strength of the Beaufort line).
@cynic7049
@cynic7049 Жыл бұрын
I thought that it was a prerequisites for legitimisation that the parents got married ?
@sarasamaletdin4574
@sarasamaletdin4574 Жыл бұрын
In general if Bonnie Prince Charlie had actual legimage sons (maybe by a British woman) the Jacobite claims would be a lot stronger than just following the Catholic succession that is also foreigner decendants of Elizabeth Stuart (the way Sophie of Hannover and her son George were). But practicality it never would have happened that the line would get the throne after parliament decided against it. Unless it was more official and legimage version of Charles and Diana match we saw here. The way happened after Norman invasion and the old Saxon claim being married into the new royal family.
@lesleyboshell6778
@lesleyboshell6778 Жыл бұрын
I have just discovered your Chanel and enjoyed this video so much I have subscribed. Thank you for the ease in which you explain things. You make it easy to listen to and understand. I will be visiting your channel often from now on.
@megkube
@megkube Жыл бұрын
Wonderful presentation ,thoroughly enjoyed it!You have a very pleasant speaking voice,too!Thank you for sharing!
@EmiliusReturns
@EmiliusReturns Жыл бұрын
As soon as the Earl Spencer popped up I went “oh shiiiiit” out loud. The idea that Diana could have a claim to Charles’s throne is hilarious. Edit: some of y’all are taking this way too seriously holy shit. I know how the actual line of succession goes. I just thought it was a funny twist.
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous, more like. People are taking the idea of an illegitimate line having rights far too seriously. It doesn't work that way.
@TinaDanielsson
@TinaDanielsson Жыл бұрын
@@thomasburke9060 Hilarious and ridiculous aren't mutually exclusive 😁😇
@mmhthree
@mmhthree Жыл бұрын
As Matt has said in the video, quite a few ridiculous things happened that led to the current King Charles III. So, they do happen. It's just not really very possible or practical. Though, the population could get angry again at the current monarchs, and an idea gets spread to invite someone who seems more grounded/less inbred/more religious etc to be King or Queen once again!!
@elderscrollsswimmer4833
@elderscrollsswimmer4833 Жыл бұрын
What of Diana's older sister?
@Matt-wc2mf
@Matt-wc2mf Жыл бұрын
@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 He mentioned in the video that William wouldn't be the most senior member of that family line. It's just a funny little tidbit that Diana is from the family line that made a real effort to ensure that Charles' family line was kicked off the throne.
@nutella_man7075
@nutella_man7075 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing video, such a joy to watch. Good work!
@patrickiredale4359
@patrickiredale4359 Жыл бұрын
Kudos for all the research you must have done to produce this extraordinary video. Mightily impressive!
@patrickporter1864
@patrickporter1864 2 ай бұрын
The true king of gb is an Australian republican. The tudors had no legitimate claim to the throne and therfore neither did the stewards.
@normansidey5258
@normansidey5258 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your brilliant explanation, you have made the Jacobite line very understandable.
@tillie_brn
@tillie_brn Жыл бұрын
Matt: Henrietta had a son named James, who had a son named James, who had a daughter named... Me: ...James? Matt: Anne. Me: what a shame.
@neilonaniet
@neilonaniet Жыл бұрын
Jamesella
@georgielancaster1356
@georgielancaster1356 Жыл бұрын
Just on that they lost the right to monarchy. Jaime de Bourbon would be okay. Most Brits like the biscuit.
@mfjdv2020
@mfjdv2020 2 ай бұрын
Very funny 🙄
@visenyatargaryen9130
@visenyatargaryen9130 Жыл бұрын
10:50 There are also some who consider the marriage between Maria Beatrice of Savoy (Duchess of Modena) and her maternal uncle, which was illegal in England, to be invalid. They consider that Maria Beatrice’s claim passed to her younger sister, Maria Teresa of Savoy, who was married to Charles II, Duke of Parma. Her claim passed to her grandson, Robert I, Duke of Parma. His claim passed to two of his unmarried sons, Henry, Duke of Parma and Joseph, Duke of Parma (who both had learning disabilities) and then to another son Elias, Duke of Parma. Elias had eight children with his wife, Archduchess Maria Anna of Austria. His claim was inherited by his son Robert Hugo, Duke of Parma. Robert Hugo had no children, and his claim was inherited by his elder sister, Elisabetta, who also remained unmarried. Her claim was inherited by her younger sister, Maria Francesca, who also remained unmarried. Her claim passed to her younger sister, Alicia. Alicia was married to Infante Alfonso, Duke of Calabria and they had three children together. Upon Alicia’s death in 2017, her claim was inherited by her grandson, Prince Pedro of Bourbon Two Sicilies, Duke of Calabria. Pedro's eldest son, Jaime married Lady Charlotte Lindesay-Bethune, a Scottish aristocrat descended from King Charles II Stuart in illegitimate line. Jaime and Charlotte are currently living in the UK. Also, Jaime is a version of James! So, instead of Joseph of Liechtenstein, I support Jaime de Bourbon.
@kody968
@kody968 Жыл бұрын
This is very interesting. I recently made a chart of the Lindsay family that I posted on the useful charts subreddit, it features Prince Jaime as well!
@phillipsesate1364
@phillipsesate1364 Жыл бұрын
I doubt the brits would go for anyone with the Bourbon name
@armandemmanuelducderichelieu
@armandemmanuelducderichelieu Жыл бұрын
Since Jacobites generally believe in succession by divine right, this “illegal” marriage between uncle and niece is of no consequence to them, plus all uncle-niece marriages between royals received Papal dispensations, so Franz is still the rightful Jacobite heir
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
The convention is to recognize marriages from other jurisdictions as valid so long as they were lawful in the jurisdiction in which the couple was wed, even if the marriage would not have been valid in the jurisdiction where its recognition is in question. What follows from this principle is that the Duke of Modena's marriage to Maria Beatrice ("Queen Mary III of England") should be recognized as valid for these purposes.
@visenyatargaryen9130
@visenyatargaryen9130 Жыл бұрын
@@phillipsesate1364 Yes, but I think it would be mindblowing to have a Capetian monarch in the UK.
@hermes_logios
@hermes_logios Жыл бұрын
The “group of nobles” who invited William to invade England did so at the behest of the bankers to whom they owed huge sums of money. William was also bankrolled by Dutch bankers, who financed for him the largest army the world had ever seen. The bankers were rewarded with royal charters for Bank of England, Barclays, and other major banks that still own Great Britain today.
@gm2407
@gm2407 10 ай бұрын
Much of modern banking practice was invented by the Dutch banking system. Also one of the founding members of the bank of England bought into it with a tally stick. Effectively it was a contractual apparatus of a debt. Which is the most banking thing I can possibly immagine. Buying into an asset with an instrument of debt (another asset) and the asset being purchased is designed solely to be a debt instrument for funds to be raised for the crown/government which has to maintain the debt in perpetuity.
@str.77
@str.77 4 ай бұрын
And so England again was conquered by a foreign monarch, which - against what the legend says - happened quite often. It was the last time however because soon the king would be a powerless figurehead.
@Hereward47
@Hereward47 3 ай бұрын
‘Dutch Bankers’
@davechristopheringram6452
@davechristopheringram6452 2 ай бұрын
You nailed it,hermes logios
@mfjdv2020
@mfjdv2020 2 ай бұрын
@@str.77 The English themselves are descended from foreign invaders who originally came over from what is now Schleswig-Holstein and environs. Many also came over from what is now Denmark. But the Danes were present in almost all western European countries, in fact they established a Danish kingdom in Dublin! Most Europeans today have Danish ancestry, even as far south as Italy.
@ErnestoCisnerosRivera
@ErnestoCisnerosRivera 4 ай бұрын
Fantastic, Matt! Extraordinary alternative scenario game! The last twist of this story is a turn of the screw, indeed. Warm hugs, professor.
@hartinspeedmund1181
@hartinspeedmund1181 Жыл бұрын
Proper German correction: Der König VON Grossbritannien. Love this channel btw. Keep it up, Matt! 👍
@dorderre
@dorderre Жыл бұрын
I think both are correct from a certain point of view. If it's a physical object you're the king of, then it's "der König des ..." (der König des Spielplatzes, der Bohrinsel etc). But if it's a political entity, you're saying "der König von ..." (der König von Deutschland, Großbritannien etc.). So when you imagine Great Britain not as the Kingdom, but as, say, the collection of islands that make up the physical lands of Great Britain, then "der König des Großbritannien" would be right, as weird as it sounds to our ears.
@hartinspeedmund1181
@hartinspeedmund1181 Жыл бұрын
@@dorderre Well, I don't think old George would have spoken of himself as "King of a certain collection of Islands in the North Sea" but as king of this special entity that is Great Britain. "König des Großen Britannien" at best. You are right, "König des Großbritannien" sounds weird, that is why I called my correction proper German.
@marenhumblebee2736
@marenhumblebee2736 Жыл бұрын
Could be DER KÖNIG GROßBRITANNIENS
@alexwright4930
@alexwright4930 Жыл бұрын
@@hartinspeedmund1181 It wouldn't be "König des Großbritanniens" with an "S" at the end?
@hartinspeedmund1181
@hartinspeedmund1181 Жыл бұрын
@@alexwright4930 I Guess it wouldn't be technically incorrect. But it would definitely sound weird to german ears. Average Klaus on the street would never say it that way.
@anichow2035
@anichow2035 Жыл бұрын
Hey Matt.. Love your work... It really makes history more interesting to learn, cause I learned a lot.. I have a request.. Can u make a video on the heirs to the Spanish throne (the prince/princess of Asturias) who never got the crown.. Thank you
@thewindysage1538
@thewindysage1538 Жыл бұрын
Carlos Maria Isidro es el rey
@christinamangelo
@christinamangelo Жыл бұрын
Well said and very interesting indeed thankyou for the effort you put into this .
@Lessareve
@Lessareve 6 ай бұрын
So clear and well done, thanks for sharing!
@tfh5575
@tfh5575 Жыл бұрын
i was not prepared for the twist at the end. how fascinating
@debraturner4559
@debraturner4559 Жыл бұрын
You do such a thorough job and make it so understandable. You, Matt, are a great teacher and communicator. As a history buff, I must correct one tiny error You accidentally said illegitimate child of James II and ... here comes the error, "Charles I" when in fact it was an illegitimate child of James II and Charles II (brothers) which then makes Prince William a direct descendent and the 1st to sit on the throne of both Stuart kings .... if all goes as expected.
@Tasha9315
@Tasha9315 Жыл бұрын
The Jacobites have a point. The throne was unlawfully taken away from James II and his son. Them being catholic didn't bar them from the throne. The "No Catholics" Law was only passed after they had unlawfully taken the throne away and ergo passed by an unlawful reign. James's II's descendants would probably still be on the throne as if they were on the the throne, their lives would have been different and they may have made different marriages and produced different children. Henry Cardinal for example would not have become a Priest as a Prince in line to the throne and may have married and produced children. Likewise, Bonnie Prince Charlie may have made a different marriage that produced children or have been more keen to ensure he produced legitimate child if he truly was on the throne.
@stephenandersen4625
@stephenandersen4625 3 ай бұрын
Parliament can do what it can get away with was the outcome of the restoration
@carelgoodheir692
@carelgoodheir692 Ай бұрын
The Civil War had shown that "the divine right of kings" was unenforcable. The rest is details.
@hollyh7924
@hollyh7924 18 күн бұрын
The Monarch in the UK is the head of the Anglican Church just like the Pope is the head of the Catholic Church. How can a catholic be head of the Anglican Church??
@charlesfenwick6554
@charlesfenwick6554 14 күн бұрын
Tasha. Yours is the correct interpretation.
@TheGwt3
@TheGwt3 2 ай бұрын
This was such a great video.The visuals have finally helped explain the Jacobites to me.
@eduardog3000
@eduardog3000 Жыл бұрын
I decided to check who the most senior mpp descendant of William the Conqueror is, and despite that line losing the crown many times, it often got the crown back through marriage, eventually leading to... James II & VII and therefore the Jacobite line. So Franz is not only the most senior mpp descendant of James I & VI, he's the most senior mpp descendant of *William the Conqueror*.
@godemperorofmankind3.091
@godemperorofmankind3.091 Жыл бұрын
what is "mpp"?
@ksolesky2
@ksolesky2 Жыл бұрын
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 male-preference primogeniture
@SirBenjiful
@SirBenjiful Жыл бұрын
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 “Male-preference primogeniture” The inheritance system where the title passes to the holder’s eldest son - unless they have no sons, in which case it passes to their eldest daughter. If they have no daughters either then it will jump back a generation. The monarchy of England (& subsequently the United Kingdom) used this system* from the Norman conquest up until 2013, when it was changed to absolute primogeniture (the same, except gender is not a factor - the crown passes to the monarch’s eldest child). *With caveats like the no-catholics rule mentioned in the video.
@godemperorofmankind3.091
@godemperorofmankind3.091 Жыл бұрын
@@ksolesky2 isnt that already what it is? i mean it isnt game of thrones where thye intentionally skipped over a woman just cos shes a woman
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
By male-preference primogeniture he's the most senior descendant of Henry Tudor, Robert the Bruce, William the Conqueror, _and_ Saint Margaret of Scotland, the sister of Edgar Aethling, the last man elected to be King of England by the Witan. [EDIT]: The last bit about the Jacobite relation to Edgar Aethling turned out to be more complicated than I originally thought, and that is because of the Scottish succession crisis. Franz is indeed the senior heir of Robert the Bruce according to primogeniture, but Robert's claim to the Scottish throne was _not_ based on primogeniture. There may be more senior descendants of the pre-Bruce Scottish royal family.
@strangeworldsunlimited712
@strangeworldsunlimited712 Жыл бұрын
Apart from the Jakobite Stewart argument against George I of "Hey! James should be King", another argument they made was not wanting a German ruling over Great Britain. Thus I can't help but be amused by the fact that the person with the best claim to the Royal Stewart line is... a German!
@mfjdv2020
@mfjdv2020 2 ай бұрын
He isn't a German. He's from Liechtenstein. That is an entirely different country. They speak a dialect of German, but that doesn't make them German, any more than the Irish are English merely because they happen to speak English.
@JillianSiobhanMal
@JillianSiobhanMal 7 күн бұрын
I REALLY would like more people to know about the German takeover that still exists today. The evil ones. Once you know you know.
@DJYoue
@DJYoue Жыл бұрын
I lead tours in Scotland an explaining the Jacobites is always a challenge as there are so many people involved (as well as the added bonus of people having the same name as others and being called different things by different people) I think I'll offer to link them this video in the future if they're interested! Thanks for making it.
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
It can be presented at different levels of complexity. Most simply: the aristocracy chased the Catholic King James II out of the country and replaced his line with the most proximate Protestant line.
@JillianSiobhanMal
@JillianSiobhanMal 7 күн бұрын
That’s cool! Yeah this guy is such a great resource. Doesn’t help there is also the German Jacobins from French history too.
@miguelmartins5707
@miguelmartins5707 Жыл бұрын
You're great, man. Great job!
@kingbaldwin1312
@kingbaldwin1312 Жыл бұрын
Really useful information.Thanks a lot.
@kashiavang2088
@kashiavang2088 Жыл бұрын
I was not ready for that twist!
@anneeq008
@anneeq008 Жыл бұрын
Same.... That was pretty incredible.... Maybe that was why the Queen hated Diana so much. Because she is the decedents of illegitimate offspring in the royal family
@kidoliva
@kidoliva Жыл бұрын
I didn't know I wanted to watch! Thank you!
@spikemcnock8310
@spikemcnock8310 Жыл бұрын
That was very interesting, thanks for posting it. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@thomasdixon4373
@thomasdixon4373 Жыл бұрын
Love the alternative successions, could u do more like the Carlist in Spain
@thomasdixon4373
@thomasdixon4373 Жыл бұрын
@God Save the King! they haven't, the main line died out but there is Prince Sixto Enrique, Archduke Dominic of Austria, Louis Alphone Duke of Anjou
@fedsavi
@fedsavi Жыл бұрын
There may be some political... implications, if he does.
@thomasdixon4373
@thomasdixon4373 Жыл бұрын
@@fedsavi same as if the Jacobite successor were to state a claim, it's all hypothetical
@fedsavi
@fedsavi Жыл бұрын
@@thomasdixon4373 yes but the jacobites never supported a fascist coup that I know of.
@fedsavi
@fedsavi Жыл бұрын
@God Save the King! Yes, the Carlist militias supported the nationalists in the Spanish civil war hoping that Franco would restore the monarchy under their claimant, unfortunately once the civil war ended they were stabbed in the back by Franco, but they still helped him win.
@warblerab2955
@warblerab2955 Жыл бұрын
I would be interested in a video on who would be king of England had the Normon Conquest not happened.
@thenormann3773
@thenormann3773 Жыл бұрын
Either if failed or if it had happened all the male lines disappear basically that century but the female line don’t, by Harold Godwinson’s line, Gunhild’s line could give the same as the Bourbon claim to the French kingdom (Earl of Richmond -> Duchy if Brittany (house of Dreux) -> house of Montfort -> house of Valois -> house of Bourbon. The other daughter, Gytha, could give the current heir to the tsardom of Russia, but mainly because the actual line of the Riurikovich from the Kievan Rus got lost in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, making the Russian tsar the best claimant to the throne this way. By Edgar Aethling’s (the heir of the house of Wessex, as Harold ) line through his sister we get the king of Scotland and the house of Dunkeld, but the following succession crisis, make me think this claim as unviable
@robinlillian9471
@robinlillian9471 Жыл бұрын
@@thenormann3773 Funny how the last Czar was a grandson of Queen Victoria. They probably would have been better off if they had kept him, considering recent history.
@edithengel2284
@edithengel2284 Жыл бұрын
@@robinlillian9471 Perhaps so, but the tsar was not a grandson of Queen Victoria. His wife, Empress Alexandra, was the granddaughter of Queen Victoria, however.
@beachbum4691
@beachbum4691 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant work :) how come I've never seen your work before?..... Definitely a "ticked the box and subscribed now" thanks for posting :)
@Victorina32
@Victorina32 3 ай бұрын
This is refreshingly easy to understand. Thank you!
@foodforfun374
@foodforfun374 Жыл бұрын
I love these alternate succession vids 😀
@MitchellEylauer
@MitchellEylauer Жыл бұрын
So what you’re saying is if a British soldier and a Bavarian soldier fought against each other in WW1 that it was just another Jacobite War? 😂
@borkerman
@borkerman Жыл бұрын
Well, not really, after Cardinal Henry's death, the Jacobite heirs didn't take up their claim to the British throne, some outright rejected it
@johnmcook1
@johnmcook1 Жыл бұрын
As for Scotland The family of Hay has many branches through Scotland, and can trace their history back to the Norman princes de La Haye who were part of William the Conqueror’s army that swept into England in 1066. Sir William Hay was created Earl of Errol in 1453, and this branch held the office of Hereditary Constable of Scotland from the time of King Robert the Bruce. The family still retains that title, giving them precedence in Scotland second only to the royal family.
@mfjdv2020
@mfjdv2020 2 ай бұрын
That's interesting. I always thought the Normans were never able to gain a foothold in Scotland, although they were present all over England, Wales and Cornwall.
@martinkennedy2400
@martinkennedy2400 Жыл бұрын
...quite brilliantly done fabulous voice too big thanks for for upload truly first class
@luisromeo6608
@luisromeo6608 Жыл бұрын
Please make more charts about languages I love them!!
@thuspoirot
@thuspoirot Жыл бұрын
3:08 I love that the Prince of Orange is in orange border
@CartoType
@CartoType Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this. Well done!
@cdemr
@cdemr Жыл бұрын
Which means William will at some point be the most senior heir of Charlemagne and the legitimate heir to the throne of England from the "classic" line AND from the Jacobite line. Man has some crazy family history.
@pedanticradiator1491
@pedanticradiator1491 Жыл бұрын
William is a descendant of an illigetimate son of James II and VII, the Jacobites do not recognise this line of descent
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
The Jacobite line _is_ the "classic" line. And William isn't in it.
@tuplat5107
@tuplat5107 Жыл бұрын
William is unquestionably the heir of his father but he can claim only illegitimate ancestry from the Jacobites and thus cannot be their heir. And the most senior heir to Charlemagne? Not even close
@williethomas5116
@williethomas5116 Жыл бұрын
The line of the Spencers is not legitimate and thus is not recognized by the Jacobites but even if it were William's uncle Charles Spencer would obviously hold a stronger claim than William because he was a male and thus ahead of Diana who was his sister not to mention they have 3 older sisters.
@paulholden4702
@paulholden4702 Жыл бұрын
@@thomasburke9060 Yep
@kwith
@kwith Жыл бұрын
Seeing these family trees, you can't help but see the long-term thinking that some of these families have clearly done to ensure their positions of power. I'm picturing members with walls covered in family trees with strings tied from one end to the other and them all planning on how to get certain families married to others and keep the plans and family lines in positions where they will be secure. I can picture them planning in a room where the family trees are on display and them planning who to marry who to ensure security.
@MrBcardinal35
@MrBcardinal35 Жыл бұрын
I knew the twist was coming because of the first video, but this was laid out much better and narrativerer.
@ayishas4385
@ayishas4385 2 ай бұрын
"narrativerer" 😆 Great word.
@iansimmons735
@iansimmons735 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Thanks for that!
@birgitsch6503
@birgitsch6503 8 ай бұрын
Tolles Video! Unglaublich interessant! :)
@cennethadameveson3715
@cennethadameveson3715 Жыл бұрын
Surely Charles Spencer would take precedent over his sister and knowing that man, would make sure he got the throne!
@redflame21
@redflame21 Жыл бұрын
Great to see another British monarchy video!
@priyabhardwaj4657
@priyabhardwaj4657 11 ай бұрын
This video is fantastic. Very well explained ❤
@Micheline6918
@Micheline6918 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved this presentation!
@evajanehargraves
@evajanehargraves Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! So very cool!!! Love all your podcasts! I have Ancestry to almost all of the Royals in Europe. Princess Diana & I have 2 separate connections. We share the same 26th great grandmother, as does George Washington his 19th. Plus all my Scandinavian Royal blood and Vikings and Russian. I have always loved History. This just makes it so much more fun and real. I'm moving soon and will purchase most of your charts and laminate them and add them to my timeline charts and my massive family tree. I'm preparing one long hall way with these on both walls. Great teaching tools for great grand kids and others and I get to Geek out too!!! Looking forward to new podcasts
@Aelredpatrick
@Aelredpatrick Жыл бұрын
Interesting & enjoyable with great charting Re the twist at the end: if the Spencers inherited the claim, wouldn't that mean (via mpp) the current 9th Earl Spencer, Charles Spencer (Lady Diana's brother) is the extant claimant?
@bonhamcarter4488
@bonhamcarter4488 Жыл бұрын
No. They are descended from a few females, so it would not pass to them.
@vadec5909
@vadec5909 3 ай бұрын
These are so interesting thanks so much
@historylover13
@historylover13 2 ай бұрын
Awesome video, thank you.
@knightrider585
@knightrider585 Жыл бұрын
For anyone wondering about the religion of that illegitimate Jacobite line, the son of Henrietta FitzJames, James Waldegrave, converted to Anglicanism some time around 1720.
@samaccardi
@samaccardi Жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is, if they end up going with the Jacobite line again one day, the king would be a foreign German prince who may speak very little English? What a long way to go around for the same result :p
@EAlyahya
@EAlyahya Жыл бұрын
Yeah in fact they are of the same royal house, Sophia, Electress of Hanover (mother of George I) is descended from the House of Wittelsbach which is the same house belonged to current Jacobite claimant.
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
@@EAlyahya Also connected in the other direction: since 1875 the Jacobite pretenders have been descendants of Sophia of Hanover.
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 Жыл бұрын
Not really because Prince Josef of Lichtenstein was born in London, schooled in Worcestershire and interned in America. I suspect he speaks far better English than you do.
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
@@wingracer1614 He's not the current pretender. We should assume Mr. Accardi was talking about Franz.
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 Жыл бұрын
@@thomasburke9060 True but the people in front of him are either elderly, lack heirs or have some other issue. Obviously this is all just fantasy but if there were some sort of major succession crisis today that made this line a serious contender for the throne, I suspect they would just go straight to Josef.
@johnfoley9031
@johnfoley9031 Жыл бұрын
Well put together.
@gust67dg
@gust67dg 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video,more information on family history coming to life for me.
@bird5954
@bird5954 Жыл бұрын
This new format is very good! I like the border around each persons portrait.
@pauls.9228
@pauls.9228 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Very clearly explained, bravo. If anyone is interested, you can see the Stuart tomb in St Peter’s, Rome…James II, his sons Bonny Prince Charlie (the Young Pretender) and Cardinal Henry are buried there. And the Young Pretender’s widow is buried in Santa Croce, Florence. Their palace in Florence is now the faculty of architecture, University of Florence.
@pedanticradiator1491
@pedanticradiator1491 Жыл бұрын
Charles and Henry were the grandsons of James II
@pauls.9228
@pauls.9228 Жыл бұрын
Yes, sorry, I meant “James III, his sons…”
@maireadrochford3579
@maireadrochford3579 2 ай бұрын
Thank you ao much or these wonderul genealogy charts. I've always been ascinated by the line of succession and you really helped to clarify it for me.
@nigelmansfield3011
@nigelmansfield3011 6 ай бұрын
Of course, the Act of Settlement of 1701 confirmed that the Sovereign is whomsoever Parliament says it is. The Act of Settlement excluded 50 persons who were more closely allied to the succession as they were Catholic. This act set out how, following the future Queen Anne’s death (William III was still on the throne at the time) the throne was to be inherited by the children of Sophia, Dowager Electress of Hanover, and granddaughter of James I and VI. The Act had named Sophia and “the heirs of her body being protestants” as next in the line of succession. To this day, women may ascend the throne and rank equally in precedence with men since 2013 but Catholics cannot inherit the throne. Future developments will continue to be whatever Parliament decides. The Sovereign rules through Parliament and the succession to the throne can be and is regulated by Parliament. The Sovereign can be deprived of his/her title through misgovernment. The Act of Settlement confirmed that it was for Parliament to determine the title to the throne.
@user-bp7qp6uk9p
@user-bp7qp6uk9p 2 ай бұрын
This does not apply 😅in Scotland as the monarch is only sovereign through the people and not parliament
@alfraromaeo5308
@alfraromaeo5308 19 күн бұрын
Yes and that's how it should stay.
@charlesfenwick6554
@charlesfenwick6554 14 күн бұрын
Parliament rules and the English kingship has become a farce.
@LucasBenderChannel
@LucasBenderChannel Жыл бұрын
Well, I did not expect Bavaria to pop up in this! And Lady Diana no less! Exciting :D
@duffymoon3716
@duffymoon3716 2 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Well done.
@janq1421
@janq1421 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your clear explanation. I was able to follow this complicated information!
@joplin.baby123
@joplin.baby123 Жыл бұрын
You neglected to say that James II's illegitimate daughter Henrietta FitzJames was Arabella Churchill's daughter, the Duke of Marlbourough's (John Churchill's) sister. These Churchill's merged with the Spencer line also which makes Prince William even more of a Stuart and Norman. He's got it all! Thanks Matt!
@nicholasremedios7495
@nicholasremedios7495 Жыл бұрын
I've seen a jacobite video on this channel before, did the old video have innaccuracies and this is like an updated version?
@jacquilarter9290
@jacquilarter9290 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting AND informative!
@emmabuckley-wales
@emmabuckley-wales Жыл бұрын
Loved this video! So concise.
@ringlass7448
@ringlass7448 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see you do a video which explains the wars of the roses. How each made their claim to the throne.
@arashikou6661
@arashikou6661 Жыл бұрын
I swear there alreasy is one because that's HOW I learned about the War of the Roses, but I can't seem to find it offhand.
@thomasburke9060
@thomasburke9060 Жыл бұрын
It's discussed a fair amount in the background to the video on "Britain's Real Monarch".
@YesItsMe16
@YesItsMe16 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video going through the British line of succession as far down as possible
@Lord_Skeptic
@Lord_Skeptic 10 ай бұрын
There are about 5753 in line According to the 2011 succession list. That list includes the non protestants though who would actually be omitted. There could be more or less now since people have been born and people have died since then. The last one is Karin Vogel. Omitting the non protestants she would be about 4972nd or 4973rd in line (according to wikidata).
@pinkzweibel985
@pinkzweibel985 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating thank you from UK
@ralphcanfield9555
@ralphcanfield9555 2 ай бұрын
So interesting thank you!
@Dmitriy_D
@Dmitriy_D Жыл бұрын
You tell these stories so well.
@amhunter7556
@amhunter7556 Ай бұрын
But, of course, this is only a scenario, because had Bonnie Prince Charlie actually become King of England, all those people after him would have married differently (remember it's only very recently that princes and princesses have been allowed to marry for love, mostly they married politically and no one cared whether they were happy or not) so it's possible those names would have never emerged. Very, VERY interesting though. Thanks.
@Mister_Pedantic
@Mister_Pedantic Ай бұрын
Exactly right.
@KatyCrash
@KatyCrash Жыл бұрын
Just found out some of these wild folks are my ancestors and I'm just losing it over these. Thank you for the fun videos!
@wisecoconut5
@wisecoconut5 15 күн бұрын
The fact that so much time has passed and the sucession line is so twisted, yet we arrive back where we started, means too few families have maintained power for too long.
@okplz13
@okplz13 Жыл бұрын
these charts are so cool
@seanturner1197
@seanturner1197 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: there's a spanish noble family called Fitzjames who are direct descendants of James II through his illegitimate sons. They're also related to Winston Churchill as James's mistress belonged to the Churchill family. Alex salmon once considered making that noble family, hereditary monarchs of an independent kingdom of Scotland. I'd want them next in line to the British throne, not just Scotland.
@kaloarepo288
@kaloarepo288 4 ай бұрын
Another fun fact connected to the duke of Berwick, James' illegitimate son is that he lead the French/Spanish forces at a crucial battle in the war of the Spanish Succession - thus he was an Englishman (though Catholic) leading a Catholic Franco-Spanish army - on the other hand the leader of the English army was a Frenchman - a Huguenot Protestant refugee I think it was the battle of Almeria which led to Catalonia losing its independence as the French army supporting the French candidate for the Spanish throne won and the Catalans were supporting the Austrian Habsburg candidate who was supported by the British.
@kaloarepo288
@kaloarepo288 4 ай бұрын
Sorry it was the battle of Almansa and it is a tradition for Catalans to mourn that day and they put the portrait of the duke of Berwick upside down for that day!
@mfjdv2020
@mfjdv2020 2 ай бұрын
Me too, Sean. Not that I am a fan of W.C. but I am a Jacobite.
@mfjdv2020
@mfjdv2020 2 ай бұрын
@@kaloarepo288 what fun 🙂
@waynethomas4728
@waynethomas4728 2 ай бұрын
Excellent stuff.
@dirtywashedupsparkle
@dirtywashedupsparkle 2 ай бұрын
It really is an elaborate game of musical chairs - love the conclusion of this one, which almost feels like a resolution ... or another rebellion in the making.
@pullfinger
@pullfinger Жыл бұрын
Interesting enough, Diana is descended from King Charles II as well, through another illegitimate child. I seem to recall that during Napoleon's invasion of Italy, Cardinal Henry and George III came to an understanding, where Henry sent various royal regalia passed down to him to George and acknowledged him (at long last) to be king, and George in return established a badly needed pension for him. Which means that besides being descended from Charles II and James II, Prince William is the claimant to the throne. Well, HUH.
@Funnybriton
@Funnybriton Жыл бұрын
Almost like that’s what she was there for..
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 Жыл бұрын
The Spencer / Churchills were always trying to marry into the British Line of the Throne even pre James II.
@singwithstyle993
@singwithstyle993 Жыл бұрын
Amazing! What a great story!
@veryuncreativename9981
@veryuncreativename9981 Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on the german kingdoms before unification? It would be really interesting!
@PixyStix1991
@PixyStix1991 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a chart on The Wars of the Roses.
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