What year was the bonus image from? You voiced it as though it was from earlier but didn't give a year range. Thanks for the video, was a good watch.

#4 looks like he just got back from his trip to India

Great. Now lets see depictions of Mohammed throughout history. You might want to update your last will first.

Jesus was a shape shifter

You should do one on Eastern Catholic Churches (not the eastern Orthodox) vs Eastern Orthodox vs Roman Catholic Churches

meanwhile Chinese: hey this word written by our ancestor looks like a horse! lmao 🤣

Well if you can you should make videos of reading some of those old books. Point out the words as you go along with your finger.

lol 2000 an you still can understand whats being said...in context. hmmmmmmmmmm . haha .same spoken crap for 2000 years. i dont believe you.

@@darren1934 I can easily read 1600 old Arabic texts easily

@@musaad9326 lies cgi

Go back to the drawing bored sure all of that sounds good and your photos don't fly right with your Caucasian Jesus

@@josephccallum6698 What are you talking about?

Google exists though

@@feelthejoy I'd rather watch a 16 minute video than go down a potentially multi-hour long rabbit hole, just to achieve the same information in the end.

@@powerofyahinyahshua4825 What's your point? These are de facto the oldest depictions of Jesus.

Same goes for several Semitic languages (Hebrew, Arabic...)

so is turkish

so does apes language never change to this day

Modern greek is a made up language, just like hebrew

how come latin has changed so much and turned into italian, spanish, french, etc, while greek didnt? my guess is that , apart from roman aristocrats, roman citizens never spoke traditional latin, but always a regional different latin dialect.

Can you cite your source? I've read this from other commenters but no one has been able to steer me to where this was actually found by archaeologists.

@@druidriley3163 im joining in on this thread

I was curious & read a couple articles about archeological presence of Christianity in Herculaneum and Pompeii (Cook, 2018; Longenecker, 2019) and the closest I can find to your claim is discussion about graffito inside a Pompeian residence (no reference to a bed) that may or may not include a specifically Christian cross - it may not even depict a cross at all, according to Cook, but Longenecker is pretty convinced it a Christian cross. Visible presence of Christians in Herculaneum and Pompeii seems to be a pretty heated dispute between early Christian scholars from what I'm able to discern as an outsider at 4 am

@@irenes4939 Thanks for the info. The only thing I found wasn't recently but from years ago, also disputed, about cross-shaped damage to a wall. It appears to be above an altar or table of some sort. Some claim a cross was there and it was wrenched off the wall when the occupants left the city. Others claim it was just a shelf that was attached to the wall and at some point was ripped off in the pyroclastic blast.

Was the cross at that time a faith symbol for Christians? I thought it was a fish

Chad

Thats how Killroy meme was born

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The fact that the earliest depiction of the Crucifixion of Jesus is anti-Christian shows just how unpopular the Christians were among the general population. It also shows that even pagan children knew quite a lot of the details of the Christian faith

One really has to remember that before Christianity went mainstreamnin the Empire, it sounded quite ridiculous to the Romans. And Christians were considered misguided fanatics.

Wait, really?

Yes, but it isn’t “Alex” It is “Alexamenos is faithful”

@@noelhoffman2184 Not sure why, but this really touched my soul. I bet he was smiling when he (or someone else) wrote it (if it indeed has the meaning I think it’s intended to have). Anyway

that’s beautiful dude

Based Alexamenus

ancient jews would not look like modern jews either

😏

The ancient Jews would not look like modern Jews, because genetically most of them are actually closer to edomites. Historian Josephus wrote that there was a heavy influx of edomites into Judaism around the time of Christ (King Herod being one). However to my knowledge, most non-Edomite Jews converted to Christianity fairly quickly

Amen

Have you heard of the shroud of touren?

They may have and they might have been destroyed during iconoclasm. It's hard to wrap your head around what might have been destroyed. Even documents supporting icons may have been destroyed. At least the Sinai image was in the desert and was left untouched.

if you search up jesus face reconstruction, you'll find an image that may have been close to what he historically looked like, no one has any remains of jesus so theres no concrete proof his face looks like that, but scientists used archeological evidence of other galilean semites of his era, unless we have a time machine we will never rly know what jesus looked like but his face reconstruction might give a historically accurate perspective on how he probably did look

They may have what? Developed a time machine? Please tell me that's *not* what you are referring to.@@OrthodoxInquirer

They did, but they were of Julius Caesar! Look up F. Carrota's Gospel of Caesar...its a slam dunk to explain why he looks Roman in some of the earliest art of Jesus. Been learning a lot about Roman times during Caesar's reign...many parallels with our own current politics. Yikes.

Pretty sure he'd take your machine away lol

Too bad there is so much missing information on each time period and some faulty facts.

@eliohayek8955anything in excess is idol worship for the most part , your and my phones for instance could be a form of idol worship.

​@eliohayek8955stop this

You make me laugh.

Personally disliked it right at the beginning: I mean how do you make a Jesus video and start using C.E instead of A.D.

hilarious

@@MRconfusedboy ofc it's also hilarious when jesus looks like european haha, he's clearly middle eastern, born in modern day israel, he's a levant

😂

​@@roughysk9851people looked different thousands of years ago as well, all the wars, prisoners moved around, the migration patterns of tribes, and things are not quite as you see them with your modern bias, there're many examples of this from north Africa, to Egypt, to think that the gals were the only "European" looking ones is a mistake, and to think everyone looked like Arabic is also wrong, there's clearly pictures of light skinned ppl from thousands of years ago way before Jesus was born, from the sea ppls to caucuses. The middle Mediterranean had mixtures of all types because of ships ports scattered all over the sea, for instance Carthage, and look at the Berbers, there was so much migration going on back then that what we think of as a jew today isn't exactly what they look like now

@@roughysk9851 *Palestine

Relate the story

Why do u Christians lie so much?

Jews killed Jesus. Jews didn't like him. They mock him in the Talmud.

Amen brother

same, not jewish tho

I totally agree

How is this still monotheism?

@@kumarg3598 How is any person with different personalities still considered one person? Don't you sometimes feel anger and other times happiness? Or sadness? Are you a different person in each case?

@@thearbiter3351 I'm a priest myself. I was just trying to explain to @Kumar G how there can be two aspects in one person, like the OG explained.

@@anttibjorklund1869 ohh sorry my bad, didn't read it correctly

i would love if that was the case but over the course of history the church became increasingly white supremacist and viewed any depiction of jesus outside of white European views as either lessor or simply wrong and countries adopting Christianity as lesser people who needed to be saved from their "savagery"

If depicting other races were as "hard" as you contend, then artists would never be able to draw anyone except people who look like themselves. Further, artists rarely draw Satan as looking like themselves; instead, they tend to draw the devil as looking like "the other." Your comment is well intended but isn't adding up.

@@emilerose1424 Never said it was impossible but it is harder if you've never done it. It was literally an exercise in art classes to draw someone with opposite features than your own for that reason. Same reason anime artists struggle at depicting black or south asian features or why medieval artists struggled at accurately depicting race and age of subjects they weren't familiar. Art styles also may be based off of certain races, look at eastern orthodox artwork, everybody had the same face shape and same length noses etc. because those were features artists were used to drawing. You're taking this very personally whereas it's simply just a natural thing people subconciously do

@@emilerose1424It was especially hard in ye olden times when you didn't travel much or at all. Literally everyone you knew looked alike. And even if the artist did travel it would cause an uncanny sensation on people looking at it for the same reasons mentioned, so it would be best to draw Him looking "normal".

the problem of drawing other races is that they often end-up in absurd caricatures that nobody likes@@emilerose1424

There was also a depiction of him in Russia. Depicting him with dark skin and whitish hair. Pretty interesting

@@UzitheSaintWell the White hair may have been derived from his depiction in Revelation.

@@withlessAsbestos yeah and it’s weird that it’s never depicted but then the image that is the most popular is the one of Cesare Borgia which looks nothing like the biblical description

was a tradition where Jewish people wore no beard until a certain age or got married? Thus he probably wore a beard near the end of his life. Come of age at 28 or 30: I am not clear on the tradition of when the hair on the face. Thus both types of images would exist.

if I had to guess I think it comes from evolving beauty standards for men. It was probably more popular for younger men to have short hair and be clean shaven during the times of Jesus' early depictions but over time beards become more popular and then we see depictions of Jesus with a beard. However idk if these were the real beauty standards of the time I'm just guessing.

*Message for Christians from God:* *They have certainly disbelieved who say, Allah is the Messiah(Jesus), the son of Mary while the Messiah(Jesus) has said,* *O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.* *Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.* Quran Al-Ma'idah (5:72)

Yes! When the narrator said "I'l be doing it in the form of a countdown" my first thought was "please let it be chronological and not the 'coolest'"

@@Iamthewarner557 The Quran comes 600 years after Jesus and His followers from an Arab man, not a Jew, and tries to tell us the identity of Jesus. Jesus is of course, divine, but he's not Allah. He's the true God of the Bible, who can do one thing that Allah cannot do. Believe on the Son of God and be saved before it's too late. Allah cannot save, he's a creature.

@@tempstep4058 "GOD'S MESSAGE TO CHRISTIANS:" *And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?”* He will answer, *“Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say?* *If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it.* *You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You.* *Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.* I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: *“Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things.* *If You punish them, they belong to You after all. But if You forgive them, You are surely the Almighty, All-Wise.* *Allah will declare, “This is the Day when ˹only˺ the faithful will benefit from their faithfulness.* *Theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow, to stay there for ever and ever. Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. That is the ultimate triumph.* *To Allah ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything within. And He is Most Capable of everything.* Quran Al-Ma'idah Chep 5 Verse (116-120) 👉This Conversation between Jesus(PBUH) with Allah Almighty will take place on the judgment day. Allah has already informed us in his Final revelation Quran so that people like you who think that Jesus is God may come to know truth that Jesus is a Messenger of God. 👉[Jesus said], *“And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.”* Qur’an 19:36 👉Jesus declared, *“I am truly a servant of Allah. He has destined me to be given the Scripture and to be a prophet.* Qur’an 19:30 👉“God almighty gives message to the whole world:” *O Mankind, submit to your Lord Who created you and those who were before you; in this way only you may expect to save yourselves.* *It is He Who has made the earth a bed for you and the sky a canopy; and it is He Who sends down rain⛈ from above for the growth of every kind of food products(🍇🍉🍎🍓🍒🥝🥥🌽🍊 )for your sustenance.* *So, when you know this, you should not set up equals to rank with Allah.* Qur'an 2 (21-22) 👉Allah almighty says, *O mankind, what has deceived you concerning your Lord, the Generous, Who created you, proportioned you, and balanced you? In whatever form He willed has He assembled you.* Qur'an 82(6:8) *"In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful."* This Message is from the slave and Messanger of Allah Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) to the Mankind. Peace be upon him, who follows the right path. Furthermore I invite you to Islam, and if you become a Muslim you will be safe, and Allah will double your reward, and if you reject this invitation of Islam you will be committing a sin. (And I recite to you Allah's Statement:) 👉Allah almighty our creator says, *Say, "O people of the Book! Come to what is common between us and you, that we worship none but Allah; that we associate nothing with Him and that none of us shall make as our Lord any other than Allah."* *If they reject your invitation, then tell them plainly, "Bear witness that we are Muslims (who worship and surrender to Allah alone)."* Qur'an (3:64) 👉Allah almighty says, *Your real Deity is but One. He Who is Lord of the earth and the heavens and of all that is between them, and Lord of all Easts.* Qur'an (37:5) *Allah is our creator who gives life and death and will again resurrect us on the day of Judgment.* *Fear Allah & Worship only Allah without any partners.* *There is no God but Allah and Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) is his Last and Final Messanger.*

@@wacharaboy "GOD'S MESSAGE TO CHRISTIANS:" *And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?”* He will answer, *“Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say?* *If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it.* *You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You.* *Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.* I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: *“Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things.* *If You punish them, they belong to You after all. But if You forgive them, You are surely the Almighty, All-Wise.* *Allah will declare, “This is the Day when ˹only˺ the faithful will benefit from their faithfulness.* *Theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow, to stay there for ever and ever. Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. That is the ultimate triumph.* *To Allah ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything within. And He is Most Capable of everything.* Quran Al-Ma'idah Chep 5 Verse (116-120) 👉This Conversation between Jesus(PBUH) with Allah Almighty will take place on the judgment day. Allah has already informed us in his Final revelation Quran so that people like you who think that Jesus is God may come to know truth that Jesus is a Messenger of God. 👉[Jesus said], *“And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.”* Qur’an 19:36 👉Jesus declared, *“I am truly a servant of Allah. He has destined me to be given the Scripture and to be a prophet.* Qur’an 19:30 👉“God almighty gives message to the whole world:” *O Mankind, submit to your Lord Who created you and those who were before you; in this way only you may expect to save yourselves.* *It is He Who has made the earth a bed for you and the sky a canopy; and it is He Who sends down rain⛈ from above for the growth of every kind of food products(🍇🍉🍎🍓🍒🥝🥥🌽🍊 )for your sustenance.* *So, when you know this, you should not set up equals to rank with Allah.* Qur'an 2 (21-22) 👉Allah almighty says, *O mankind, what has deceived you concerning your Lord, the Generous, Who created you, proportioned you, and balanced you? In whatever form He willed has He assembled you.* Qur'an 82(6:8) *"In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful."* This Message is from the slave and Messanger of Allah Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) to the Mankind. Peace be upon him, who follows the right path. Furthermore I invite you to Islam, and if you become a Muslim you will be safe, and Allah will double your reward, and if you reject this invitation of Islam you will be committing a sin. (And I recite to you Allah's Statement:) 👉Allah almighty our creator says, *Say, "O people of the Book! Come to what is common between us and you, that we worship none but Allah; that we associate nothing with Him and that none of us shall make as our Lord any other than Allah."* *If they reject your invitation, then tell them plainly, "Bear witness that we are Muslims (who worship and surrender to Allah alone)."* Qur'an (3:64) 👉Allah almighty says, *Your real Deity is but One. He Who is Lord of the earth and the heavens and of all that is between them, and Lord of all Easts.* Qur'an (37:5) *Allah is our creator who gives life and death and will again resurrect us on the day of Judgment.* *Fear Allah & Worship only Allah without any partners.* *There is no God but Allah and Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) is his Last and Final Messanger.*

The names of the Gospel writers were added in the second century. Your book contains contradictions and errors, and the texts are also manipulated and inserted into your book. The evidence is in your hands, search before it is too late

I feel the same way. The 'lost in translation' lie kept me away for so long 💔

Of course some of it was lost in translation. This happens all the time unfortunately. Why be so scared of admitting this?

@@bigburritolover Which parts ?

@@thekeepers15 Many terms can be ambiguous or have no exact 1:1 equivalents, so translators over the centuries had to pick which meanings they would pick. Translations are essentially paraphrasing

Facts are of no interest? Bottomfeeders are so cool? Any education?

200,000 raped altar boys found out the hard way that Jesus is a myth. Ditto Jehovah God. They still can't sleep at night, Dude. How educated are you?

beautiful!

I fear many will not know Him when they see him. Just like He was not recognized the first time. Many will claim to be faithful, but on the day of judgement fall short.

Huh? Lol. He's dead bro...

How you gonna do that

Jesus was a Middle-Eastern Jew so just look at a modern native Israeli/Palestinian male and you get a rough idea of how he probably looked like. Jewish Rabbi makes sense.

@@modmaker7617 It was sarcasm. Everyone knows Jesus was a Jewish rabbi.

@@modmaker7617 Looking at the average modern American male wouldn't give you an idea of what the average male in America looked like 2000 years ago

@@bootbredda2724 well that's because the average American 2000 years ago was a completely different race then what you consider an American now ? Invasion , murder and all

@@137Trimethylpurine26dione So you haven't read the history of that happening over there in Israel?

I don't think they have different audiences just different authors.

​@ChristinaFromKZfaq at some time in the bronze age the climate got a lot wetter, populations declined, I don't know if this could have been it.

From what I understand too the early images of him were decimating him performing miracles like healing people. Not the crucified condemned man we see mostly now. You can sort of see why too, if you wish to attract followers to Christianity then emphasis on being arrested and crucified might not be the best way to go about it.

@@lw3646 What would the weather and population numbers have to do with it?

@@lw3646 Decimating? Do you mean depicting? I don't think they shy-ed away from the fact that Jesus was arrested and crucified. In fact, they put extra emphasis on it because that's one of the main things of the faith.

jesus wore beared as it is requiired in jewish culture.

The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black, While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair. Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw, And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own. Xenophanes

​@@adrianlasin574 But if you look to Hollywood for a depiction of Jesus, he looks like his beard is all nicely trimmed and manicured as if he just stepped out of a salon.

Early depictions of Buddha way more impressive.

Yes. What REALLY bothers me is that so many people think Jesus was white and are against portraying Jesus as anything other than white, specifically when he's being worshipped by non white people. A Black church sould have a Black Jesus, an Indigenous church an Indigenous Jesus, etc.

A non believer who lept saying CE Instead of A.D. who saves the insult depiction of the founder of our faith for last to poke fun at our beliefs, calling christ a donkey! Wow..... hate to be this guy on the day judgement. Why have a non believer show depictions of christ using athiests terms for the calendar? Then show grafitti that makes fun of christ showing him as a donkey?do you really Want my commet GOD hater? Go take a bike.ride in traffic with joe biden! Dont worry, i ll save a place in those catacombs for the two of ya!

It’s funny how “Jesus” gets whiter and whiter

@@adriangudino3412 Read history dude.

@@OkOk-sx7tx Noah’s sons are believed to have started this (Gen 10 I believe) regardless the color, Acts 10:34 is a GREAT Scripture to live by instead of individual colored glasses🌹

@@adriangudino3412 Spirituality, which Yeshua preached about used to be just a way of life before these man made religion came to be, and I can state whatever opinion I want, I speak truth and i don’t care if you don’t like it!

Gfgf Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD

@@Juan-lf6qo interesting

Agreeable. Also, the Church went through a period of persecution from those who believed in the heresy called “iconoclasm”. MANY icons (images) were destroyed under this heresy that swept through the Christian East and West.

2 minutes in and realized he mentioned exactly what I said 😂

Nah more like how Muslims won't let you draw Muhammad, early christians wouldn't let you depict Jesus.

Yes. Mercy and Justice.

200,000 raped altar boys found that HE is deaf too..................................

That's not true. The left side represents his human nature while the right side represents his divine nature.

@@shamansking6407 Zero proof of Exodus and Moses, yet Jesus fulfilled the Laws of Moses. What's up with that, Dude?

@@martinkent333go look at the place where Jehovah came down as a pillar of fire, moses body was taken. everyone knows this. 🚶🏻‍♀️

Y'ever see the images of japanese, or chinese, ethiopian jesus, every culture projects to relate, it's human nature.

@@SpahGaming of course, I'm not trying to say otherwise.

His image is in the Bible. He was black.

@@techoperatives2232 lol Jesus was Jewish

@@techoperatives2232 We waz godz n shieet

@eliohayek8955 making imagery or looking at artworks is simply a cultural discourse and not necessarily worship or bowing down about idolatry . The ten commandments does not state we are forbidden to communicate artistically about holy subjects, but says to not worship images

People back then had way more skill and knowledge than we usually think

Idk. I’ve never seen anyone with the head of a donkey. Couldn’t have known that much.

@eliohayek8955❤️‍🔥, but they won’t see it. the ignorance of the image is what prevents them from meeting Jesus and the wool hair .

@@THEOMNIVERSEPERSPECTIVE🙄

This is just a guess, but it may be the position in the church: if it's on the front wall, it's centre stage; a position usually reserved for Jesus to this day.

It seems like a bit of a stretch to see a face there to begin with.

"Yeshua wuz here"

@@d.c.8828 Josh and the boys drawing more graffiti smh my head...

@@jean-lucwalker3690 Thank you for the response. That makes sense.

No education eh?

i see you everywhere

The Vatican has a machine that can see

Archeologists can piece this together but obviously not with Jesus because there are no remains.

You need a skull and you get a face via the Superimposition method. On a computer you can even let it move. That is the closest we can get nowadays. Time travel is an other thing, only works forwards and will never change. ;)

The Shroud of Turin is a 2,000 year old photograph of the entire crucified body of Jesus Christ.

@@chesterdonnelly1212 because he’s still alive 😄

I honestly think it is intentional so that "every tribe" can more closely relate to Jesus. Jesus is much bigger than what ethic group he was born into.

@@vir9002 I very much agree with you

@@vir9002 It is intentional as to cover up the genetic ancestry of Jesus. The most important detail is given at the beginning of this video: The true earliest images of Jesus were destroyed by the Roman Empire. As you can see at the end of the countdown, the "afro" is slowly and deliberately converted into a halo.

....so Jesus did exist...

There is one that was supposedly drawn based on the impressions from the shroud they supposedly found from the tomb Jesus was buried in. I think it is the image this video showed briefly towards the beginning....called the "anthropological reconstruction". It shows Jesus' face as wide, his nose wide, and curly hair. I have a feeling it comes close except I do believe Jesus skin may have been a little darker.....just a hunch.

People's faces are generally not symmetrical anyway, models get closer to symmetry. I did an art project where we took a full size face only page from a magazine, and cut right down the center. Paste it on white paper and draw the other half of the face. When you do that you're mirroring what you see, so the result usually doesn't look like the person. I did it twice for the other half of the face, so each face I ended up with were different from each other and neither looked like the original

@@recoveringsoul755 I was going to say the same thing. You can actually do that with any face .

I wish you give us more examples

@@alpash2 there is one I can think of, it's the Christ Pantocrator mosaic at Hagia Sophia. There it is much less prevalent but still noticeable.

yeah weird exercise ... master painting.

Your either catholic or never read the Bible how sad

The "black Jesus" reminds of that family guy episode, lol.

Perhaps that is all he was. Just a picture made up by some bored artist. He never existed.

@@threestars2164 yeah because that's just how it works. Muhammed wasn't real either, the arabs just randomly decided "Hey lets make this cool religion and conquer shit lol" and they of course all agreed to this because people tend to be super agreeable.

I'm not Arab but have always imagined that he looked like a tan Arab with dark curly hair and his mother like a nomadic Palestinian looking girl.

Without a photo, or portrait, or even a description by one who had seen him, any picture of him, a hundred years after his death, is a personal one.

It was the same empire but the representations where a few hundred years apart and the beard actually comes from western mythology because Jesus needed to replace Jupiter.

@@TV-oj8uh yes and also the beard was signification of strength in the east. Latin and Greek empires were socially distinguished at this. You can't see beardless Byzantine emperor and you can't see any facial hair of Latin emperors, in old depictions.

​@@mehmetalierfidan6433 But you can... Nero,Hadrian, Antoninus Pius, Lucius Verus, Marcus Aurelius, Pertinax, Didius Julianus, Seprimus Severus, Caracalla, Macrinus, Gordian I and II, Pupienus, Balbinus, Philip the arab, Treboniasus Gallus, Volusianus, Aemilian, Gallienus, Claudius Ghoticus, Quintillus, Aurelian, Tacitus, Florianus, Probus, Carus, Carinus and Numerian. So dont tell me the western emperors didnt have beards.

@@TV-oj8uh sorry, my mistake, my knowledge is limited, and I wasn't pointing you while saying you, just for example. Actually I wasn't disagreeing with your first comment, i meant to emphasize it. Jesus was depicted with beard in the east. It gives clues to make a meaning of cultural roots and also mythology as u said.

But for 15th century not many outside Europe followed Jesus. So he continued to become plain white guy.

@@blackinpublic4193 true, there was Ethiopia though!

True, studied depictions of religious figures for years, all over the world, and there is a traditional of depicting such people according to local appearance. It is not unusual, nor racist, as some suggest.

@@blackinpublic4193 Jesus is depicted in many ways, and the tendency to show him as a white man comes from the origin countries of missionaries, be they Catholic or other Western source. Slotracer is correct. If you want to guess at his real appearance, just look at Levantine men today, and he was never noted as looking remarkable, so wouldn't have been Romanesque pale, or Asian or sub-saharan African or Indian, even though many depictions show him as these ethnotypes, and others too.

I concur with SlotRacer Guy's take on representations of Jesus that reflect enculturation. The reason for that is Jesus did not have a national mission. His theological mission was amenable to any local culture. Curiously, the apparitions of Mary so common among Catholics for the last couple of hundred years also reflect local enculturation: when appearing in France, Mary is white, French features, blond and blue eyed; when appearing in Mexico, she is brown, Native American features, dark hair and brown-eyed, etc.

I agree Susan. Appearance wasn't the main item, otherwise we would have more references to appearance in the scriptures

king david and esau's appearance are described

that's probably why islam and judaism were so against depictions

@@CPT543 the Bible should have taken the time to warn against iconography :P

@@MafuHardy I guess but there aren't many physical descriptions. Only if necessary to tell the story. For example, Esau was a hairy and rough looking man. That description was placed in the scriptures to make a distinction between he and his brother.

She's been menstruating for years and wasn't Jewish. The passage says that when she touched his rove he felt his power go out of him (for a moment). This is again magic or making him seem like he has supernatural healing powers. People then, (and now) go to Christianity because 1. They want to live forever (see the image of Lazarus being raised) 2. They sought someone who could heal them. In theology I made up a story about this unknown woman and pictured her as a rape survivor with a psychosomatic condition whereby she keeps menstruating. This was a big heretical to some of my Christian classmates but they could see that this story could be put into a modern context for mental and emotional healing.

Very similar to cultural beliefs. That you could 'pick up' someone's blessing or good luck simply by touching them, their hair or their clothes. Famous story of the woman Valeria in the 1st century bce, who plucked some threads from the toga of the Roman dictator Sulla, and he felt her touch his toga, and turned. She explained she wanted to pick up some of his good luck (Sulla was famous for it). He was charmed and later married her.

Type Moses online and discover that there is no evidence for Exodus and Moses. What's up with that?

There is actually a lot of missing information and some faulty facts.

Jesus as cook.

@@oldbatwit5102 haha good one

No critical thinking skills, eh?

Why would you admit such a thing about yourself before all of this fine people?@@martinkent333

Are you referring to the Shroud of Turin? That's a really interesting item, it's inconclusive to me exactly whether it could be authentic or not.

@@lw3646 It's even "inconclusive" to the man who wrote the book "Verdict on the Shroud" by Gary Habermas. Somedays he's convinced it's the burial cloth of Jesus, and on other days he believes there is about an 80% probability. I personally believe it is because I can't imagine how 3D data could have been transferred to a linen sheet by means of dehydration of the outermost fibrils back in the 12th or 13th century by an artist.

@@lw3646 Carbon-dated to 1300, Rube.......................

I dunno, these early depictions seem more urban than products of 'wandering nomadic folk' or even rural people. I think it is reasonable to assume a staff would mean little to the urban Greek or Roman Christian of the 3rd Century, whereas a magic wand might have been just the thing. I guess both theories seem plausible to me.

You think wrong

Qzqz Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD

I would agree completely.

Good point, also because Jesus and his disciples walked from village to village and even long distances like from Samaria to Jerusalem, which was how all but the very rich traveled. Most such travelers used walking sticks, and many rural people were shepherds who carried staffs. The majority of the population was rural not urban. So everyone could relate to a walking stick.

The most famous Voronet monastery in Romania actually have the real depiction of Jesus Christ, his Angels, King David and the BLACK hand of The Most High God. It also shows a certain race of people who have been ruling and destroying the planet earth with their world wars going into slavery with chains on judgement day. Isiah 14:2

[Revelation1:13-15] According to the Bible..

Gave me the the creeps. Something is not quite right with it. Especially the eye on the right. Also the color scheme was altered from the original. The hands are not in the same color group that would have matched the face/neck. Along with the extreme darkness used for the robe, I think the head/neck is a paint over. (Not at all uncommon in early times when supplies were limited). I truly would love to see new technology used on it to see if there were previous layers.

Lklk Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD

I have actually been to St Catherine's. Twice in fact, although I've only been in the library once, and that was back in 1969. We were told they have an unimaginable collection of ancient works, all off limits to all but a select group of the monks themselves. Your two illustrations are spectacular, and the dual portrait of Jesus obviously precedes DaVinci's Mona Lisa by a thousand years!

No proof of Moses of Exodus, but you don't care about facts. What up?

@@martinkent333there’s actually a massive patch of melted sand on the floor of the Red Sea where the pillar of fire was 🙃

@@TheMintyShow I'm sure professional archeologists are as stoked as you are, Rube. Any edication? Why do you think that there are no pilgrimage sites in Egypt for anything 3500 yrears ago, including later where the Lord slept when just a babe? You frolic in fantasyland and this attracts converts.

That's called indoctrination all churches do it and they used to kill people that didn't agree with them!

Ha ha this picture is fake Jesus was black

@@adamajagne3487 He was not black, or at least not what we Americans would call black/African American. If you wanted to do a picture of him I'd use as a model any one of the Semitic, olive complected folks that live in the Mid East now.

I used to be afraid of/shy of men with beards because I thought they all looked like Jesus, lol.

@Adama Jagne, if you're at all interested in such things, there was what is called a Eucharistic miracle in Mexico in the early 2000s (to make a long teaching short, Catholics believe that the bread and wine at their mass (services) really turns into the body and blood of Jesus. Occasionally, this change becomes visible and stuff starts bleeding). They had a scientist test the blood without telling him where it came from, and it came back as human, AB positive...and with no discernable ethnicity. That last bit is completely unprecedented. Even when someone is "mixed", scientists are able to tell the different places or origin in the DNA. Not this time. So...He "belongs" to all of us.

And Hosea 4:6 Says People perish for the lack of knowledge........And that's exactly whats being displayed here...But let me help you ..KJV 1619..REV 1:4......The real image of Yahusha (Jesus)...This is the meaning of the truth setting you free....

@@torrancebanks7612 It's a growing trend that people prefer to dwell in lies rather than accepting the truth which is presented in the Bible.

Amen!

@@alfredallen3350 this is the arrogance that so many people are tired of. The Bible is but one piece of the puzzle, written and manipulated by man over thousands of years.

For some stubborn and intelligent persons who He loves and selects, He will narrow their ways till they have to believe in Him. Otherwise, they have no other way out.

Of course in Rome. They hate Jesus and loves to mock him in any way they can.

I like how the face he Gave Alex Amenos resembles a Chad Face. Looks like his troll backfired 2000 years later.

BRAVO!!!

It's his Egyptian form 😆

I had heard about that in the past. But, then they would need a place to fasten the sign that said, "king of the Jews," which was said to be above his head. Unless the sign had its own pole attached to the T shaped cross.

I'd never thought of this before, but it makes a lot of sense.

@@markbcrich I imagine when someone is crucified their heads would actually end up being belong the intersection of the "T" so there would be a space for a sign.

@@sawahtb i think this is most likely. it's a terrible way to die. as the victim becomes exhausted from holding themselves up the position causes restricted breathing. hypoxia or dehydration kills them over the course of a few days and the victim ends up slumped. there's also the idea that the nails went through the palms but this is not likely because the body weight would rip the hands free between the fingers which counteracts the whole dying goal (modern people have been crucified for various reasons and it seems to be a problem with it). the nails would go through the wrists which would hold better. the alexamenos art neither suggests this nor suggests against it though.

@@sawahtb Yes. That is possible. But, early Christian fathers tend to describe it at a (t) shape. E.g.: Irenaeus "the very form of the cross, too, has five extremities, two in length, two in breadth, and one in the middle, on which [last] the person rests who is fixed by the nails". Justin Martyr: "That [passover] lamb which was commanded to be wholly roasted was a symbol of the suffering of the cross which Christ would undergo. For the lamb, which is roasted, is roasted and dressed up in the form of the cross. For one spit is transfixed right through from the lower parts up to the head, and one across the back, to which are attached the legs of the lamb." "No one could say or prove that the horns of a unicorn represent any other fact or figure than the type which portrays the cross. For the one beam is placed upright, from which the highest extremity is raised up into a horn, when the other beam is fitted on to it, and the ends appear on both sides as horns joined on to the one horn. And the part which is fixed in the centre, on which are suspended those who are crucified, also stands out like a horn; and it also looks like a horn conjoined and fixed with the other horns". Tertullian: "the very structure of our body suggests the essential and primal outline of a cross. The head ascends to the peak, the spine stands upright, the shoulders traverse the spine. If you position a man with his arms outstretched, you shall have created the image of a cross. Dionysius of Halicarnassus : " The men ordered to lead the slave to his punishment, having stretched out both his arms and fastened them to a piece of wood which extended across his breast and shoulders as far as his wrists, followed him, tearing his naked body with whips. " Seneca the Younger: "“I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made in many different ways: some have their victims with head down to the ground; some impale their private parts; others stretch out their arms on the gibbet”

Kmkm Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD

Y only blond Jesus and not negro or korean jesus😂😂

*Accidental among us reference detected*

No critical thinking skills, eh?

Which sections are you concerned about? I'm just analyzing and self-improving before discussing these with the others, indeed!

He also left out the response written to the insult

@@arealbigboss what was the response?

@@Eugensson Something along the lines of "Alexamenos the Faithful", which would be sort of turning the insult around I think.

@@arealbigboss Alexamenos fidelis.

@@arealbigboss I hope you aint lying

He did mention this.

Thanks for your comment. Though Christian, many of us do not know much abour traditional Jewish attire.

​@delmariecrandall9229 Until the Middle Ages, all Judeans wore a Talit as their over garment. Then it was decided by the leading Rabbi's, through correspondence, that wearing the local garb was acceptable. So most men will wear a large Talit in Synagogue or during communal prayer, and many observant Jews wear a "little Talit" under their shirts, with the four knotted fringes showing. Women were allowed to not wear a Talit anymore.

You forgot the son of god and messiah.

@@vilegoat1401 I mean regardless if he was really gods child or not

It's a truism of religious history that humans create gods like themselves. These paintings show societies changing Jesus from a shepherd all the way into, in the dictatorial Byzantine empire, Christ Pantocrator, the stern emperor of all. Our conversation shows this kind of change too, doesn't it? In this secular age, War Kid, you imagine a secular Jesus, "regardless" of whether he just happened to be the Son of God. An Oxford-educated Victorian Christian would have been shocked by your indifference to the greatest issue that a human had to decide, before Judgement Day.

Jesus was described as plain looking, because in contrast to the various gods created by man, the one, true God’s son, in His earthly form, did not want to have the appearance of superiority or be perceived to promote the idea of vanity as purity or holiness. He also had no need to show His beauty and strength, because if He did, the people at the time might have cast Him off as just another Demi-God, Roman puppet, magician, warrior, prophet, etc., which would have defeated the purpose of Him subjecting Himself to the human experience. Besides unlike any other man-made god, He came to serve and save us from our sins, not punish us for them. But, this is not to imply that Jesus was in any way deformed by sin in His earthly birth, because His word is clear that he was perfect in every way (actions, words and physical appearance); this is in-line with the Old Testament as the Israelites would sacrifice the perfect lamb to God as an act of worship and obedience. Jesus knew He was the fulfillment of prophecy and would replace thousands of years of sacrifices as the final, ever-lasting, perfect sacrifice (as a symbol of obedience to His father, which is our Heavenly Father) to absolve everyone that has ever existed or will exist, for all time, of their sins against God.

@@daufderheide9352 soooo you agree or disagree

Ygyg Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD

Revelation 1/14/15 his head and hair were white like wool as white as snow and his eyes like a flame of fire and his feet like fine brass as burn in a furnace according to the bible christ had wooly hair red eyes and skin as burn in a furnace burn something in a furnace see what color it turn so he couldn't look like everyone at that time because everyone at that time or this time doesn't look alike

@@jaycubb9663 if you believe in man made religion you do

@@jaycubb9663 Jesus came in THE IMAGE Of man

@@jaycubb9663 Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand.

No.😆😆I mean why does every religious person say they believe in the scriptures but they never take the scriptures literal or at face value? They always have to create their own imaginary idea of what they think the scriptures MIGHT mean.

@@fucgoogle4607 I can think of two main reasons why. One that it's understood that the scriptures we have are an incomplete account that have been passed through many years, hands, and many translations (UsefulCharts actually has a few good videos on this). And due to the age of these texts, some parts will be more or less relevant to modern sensibilities. Religious texts are ancient, and follow many traditions we have discontinued: one of which is the value placed on metaphor, symbolism, and parables to get a point across, rather than accurately relaying "objective" facts, so the entire Bible is difficult to discern historical fact from metaphor. So different interpretations are inevitable but that doesnt undermine the value of the texts, you just need to understand the context. Two that religion is inherently a spiritual experience - a relationship with the unknown; the point is not to follow scripture as a one-to-one instruction manual but to use it to develop your relationship with whatever deity you follow. Faith and spirituality comes first, scripture is used to aid spirituality. Several passages in the Bible instruct its readers to do this as well; it places an emphasis on pondering scripture for yourself. Proverbs 15:14, 2 Timothy 3:16, for example. Anyway, very fascinating video. (Edited for clarity)

@@mileshale8034 Excellent dissertation my friend !...

It represents God's Mercy and Wrath

@@mileshale8034 very well said

Somewhere i read that he was depicted with a beard because that way reminded people of the ancient greek philosophers. Making him look wise as a result. So yeah, unless we get a portrait from the time he was alive one can only speculate.

Sorry. There is no such thing as an Asian Jesus.

Sorry again. In India...nobody really knows Jesus.

@@marlonestrada5825 There are many depictions of an Asian Jesus. There's even one in one of the hallways in my Catholic School

@@fpsgod3028 Not in my Catholic School. What was depicted there was a Cardinal Pretending to be Jesus. It turned out to be an image of Mao Zedong. I mean, Jesus was never a Communist, right?

Yes it would!!! ☺️🕊

Rfrf Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what he said. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 CHURCH LA LUZ DEL MUNDO/THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD

The Shroud of Turin is demonstrably a 14th century forgery and only documents how Christ was commonly depicted by Roman Catholics in the era of late Gothic art. As such, it has historical value but is of absolutely no use in establishing the physical appearance of the first-century Palestinian prophet Yeshua ben Josef.

For real....*tongue clicks*

Lol

Buy some of his posters! They look fantastic on the wall

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Right? No clips - no segwey into 30 seconds of the video being him asking us to check out some site and use the promo. Very clean vids; very appreciated.

Isn't it ironic how some so called Christians worship a Jew enough to have an image of him in their homes, yet they hate his people. Just sayin'. Thank God for the Jewish state of Israel. There will never be another holocaust set upon the Jewish people.

That's the one I grew up with, too.

I’ve both drawn and painted this one. It’s also a favorite of mine