Using a Tesla Supercharger with Ford EVs - 4 ways to activate charging!
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Күн бұрынAlthough it us super easy to activate charging with your Ford Mustang Mach-E or Ford F-150 Lightning at a Tesla Supercharger just using Plug & Charge, we wanted to show you the other options for starting a charging session!
0:00 Intro
0:23 Plug & Charge
2:22 Tesla App
7:01 Ford Pass
9:17 Charge Assist
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@ScottThomasPhoto 4 ай бұрын
Well done and explained. Looking to use mine in a couple of months. This certainly takes away most of the anxiety out of road tripping with a Ford EV.
@ivanhuizar4412 Ай бұрын
My wife took my house and the kids but luckily I got to keep my Mach e I love this thing
@NoHarmDunn 4 ай бұрын
The fact that you were more informative than the actual Ford instruction video says a lot plus you unplugged correctly when the official Ford video did not (the guy yanked on it after pushing the silver button only).
@BillB33525 4 ай бұрын
Terrific video explaining all the ways to charge the M-E at a Tesla SuC.
@RoamingNorway 4 ай бұрын
Great video! Very many ways to start the session...
@Scott-sm9nm 4 ай бұрын
Impressively informative and at a nice pace. Well done.
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@kevinlieb 4 ай бұрын
Nice video. Can't wait for this to start working for my Rivian!
@Krunch2020 4 ай бұрын
And we can’t wait to use Rivian Adventure Network! We regularly do a 400 mile trip to visit our grand baby. There is a convenient coffee stop with Chargepoint 60kw chargers that never go over 50kw. There are also some older Superchargers that aren’t on our charging map. The 10 Rivian chargers would be a welcome addition!
@anthonyc8499 4 ай бұрын
That’s a lot of ways to start a charge! I never open charge assist so that’s cool. I just wish that Ford brought the kW charging speeds to the driver’s display on the MME like they do with ‘24 Lightning
@Bry279 3 ай бұрын
Thank you super helpful SUBscribe! I may be buying a performance today!
@thewaterboy2013 4 ай бұрын
I could see turning off plug and charge and using the fordpass app vs Tesla if say I had benefits with EA that are not available via plug and charge and I didn't want to mess with turning that off/on when I used a different plug and charge capable network like Tesla. I am with you though, 9/10 folks will want just plug and charge for the speed and simplicity. My wife for sure would want that.
@wineberryred 4 ай бұрын
I think the member rate will be the same rate that Tesla drivers pay.
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I just read that today, you are correct.
@CarlosPerezPhotography 3 ай бұрын
What is the rate?
@wineberryred 3 ай бұрын
@@CarlosPerezPhotography The Tesla Charging membership rate is $12.99/month which gives you a discounted charging rate that matches what Tesla drivers pay. Charging rates vary around the country and some states require per minutes charging instead of by the kWh which really is not the way to go so it's a little hard to generalize. I looked up a station just east of Topeka, KS that's open to non-Tesla's and they charge $0.46 kWh for non-Tesla's without a membership and $0.34 kWh to Tesla's and non-Tesla's with a membership. I think Electrify America has a similar discounted rate if you pay for a membership.
@wineberryred 3 ай бұрын
@@CarlosPerezPhotography As an example a Station just east of Topeka charges $0.46/kWh to non-Tesla's and $0.34/kWh to Tesla's.
@DouginaBoxster 4 ай бұрын
4:02 - First time I charged with a Magic Dock, I had to "update billing info" as well. Count me as one who will only (and always) use plug-n-charge.
@antoinemcabee1332 4 ай бұрын
When charging at EA, I don’t use it because plug and charge is more expensive (if you an EA membership). I did a cross country road trip and saved quite a bit.
@DouginaBoxster 4 ай бұрын
@@antoinemcabee1332 Yep, but we fast charge so rarely it's not worth it to us. Plus, I'm happy to "pay" for the ease and convenience of plug-n-charge.
@loriallen67 4 ай бұрын
Great video. Very well done.
@Toycollector33 4 ай бұрын
I'm glad they have the other methods, I've never been able to get the plug and charge to work.
@barryw9473 4 ай бұрын
You should get Ford to fix it.
@mikemorin76 4 ай бұрын
You need an Over the Air update. Once it has updated you will get a message that you can plug and charge at Tesla Superchargers.
@Toycollector33 4 ай бұрын
I can't get plug and charge to work with EA either. I've been on the phone with Ford for hours and they say it should work but it just never does. I can get the chargers to activate through the ford pass app but plug and charge always says payment declined. I've tried different credit cards and every sort of uninstall/reinstall but just won't work.
@barryw9473 4 ай бұрын
@@Toycollector33try a few dealers, maybe?
@blooooooooooom 2 ай бұрын
@@Toycollector33do you activate in the Ford Pass app before or after plugging in the charger?
@QALibrary 4 ай бұрын
Question for you two (loving the videos) have you seen any change in charging speed or curve when using a Telsa Supercharger network vs what you would get before using other networks?
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
So far it seems similar to using something like an EA 350. We keep doing short charges so it is hard to tell for sure if there are minor differences.
@ronb4633 4 ай бұрын
Patrick, I believe the Tesla idle fees are only incurred if the supercharger is at 50% or higher utilization. I think that is spelled out more clearly inside the Tesla app. They are also rolling out congestion charges where they charge a higher rate per kWh if you charge above 80% and the supercharger is very utilized. I think that is a very cool idea.
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
You are correct and they double if the station reaches 100% full. We're going to get into a detailed pricing breakdown in another video but until then we want to emphasize there will be idle fees to make sure people don't get surprised. EA has warnings about idle fees but the never used to collect them. Tesla does. The guy we spoke to at Quartzsite fell asleep in his car one time and had a $100 idle fee bill!
@lakeofthewoodsprimetime 12 күн бұрын
For me in the Midwest I don’t have access to most Tesla Superchargers. Only some work with Ford Pass and the Tesla connector.
@ammotroop9708 4 ай бұрын
I believe your adapter is a prototype. I think the one Ford is sending out to everyone will have a pin in it that will engage so you cannot remove it unless the fob is nearby. At least that's what I'm hoping.
@areallycoolguy 4 ай бұрын
What is this theory based on? Do you happen to have a source?! This is my hope as well!
@BigAlsGarage 4 ай бұрын
Is the Charge Assist app available to all MME's at the moment, or is this car running some pre-release software that was pushed to the vehicle, since only a select few have the adapters currently? Thanks for the video!
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
It is supposed to be rolling out to all Mach-Es whether you have an adapter or not. We've had it for several months.
@freinhardt1 4 ай бұрын
seems like your car has a few more options than mine, I do not have a charge assist button on my car, I just received the feedback button last week so maybe it will show up ??? I stopped guessing
@BigCVlogs 4 ай бұрын
Loving the content and learning about this. I just sent you an email to each of the email addresses I could find that has some info on the east coast Superchargers that have a better layout for Ford and other EV's.
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
Got it! Thanks so much for sharing info about the East Coast setup! We definitely need to get out there on the road for multiple reasons! - Liv
@cdee6096 4 ай бұрын
Is it possible to charge at Tesla without off-set parking?
@Crisbas45 4 ай бұрын
Looks as if you only took up 1 charging port. Did these chargers have longer cords ?? So cool to see all those chargers out there all open and available
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
The cables were the same length. We picked that stall to ensure we wouldn't block any other charger.
@Crisbas45 4 ай бұрын
Excellent good etiquette will be so important especially in these early days of adoption. Please stress this in all of your videos I think it’s critical. Ie: with superchargers it’s polite to use every other charger as stall A& B share the same power source using both reduces your charge rate this I think is true on v2’s but you would be surprised how many Tesla owners don’t know this. V3 not a problem but the way you parked even with 60 stalls it’s just really good that your concerned about this. When you visit an 8 or 12 stall station it could be a problem I sure hope all the manufacturers more their charge ports
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
@@Crisbas45 For non-Teslas, we can only use V3 and V4 stations. They do not power share so you can park right next to someone and it makes 0 difference. It is actually good for non-Teslas with the charge port on the opposite side to stick together because it will reduce the number of unusable spaces used overall.
@tylervandorn1384 Ай бұрын
Where do I buy this adapter
@Crisbas45 4 ай бұрын
My last road trip (in VA) charging was at .35 cents kw Is that based on location ? Or that I have a Tesla ? I find this topic interesting as I always see sooo many chargers sitting there empty
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
Tesla's prices vary by location and in some cases time of day.
@Yanquetino 4 ай бұрын
I assume the plug-and-charge method is configured to transmit your VIN to Tesla to approve your session and apply the fee to your Tesla account, right? It's interesting that my Tesla app already asked me about my EV, and I filled in the blanks for my Ioniq 5. The only thing I didn't indicate is that I don't already have an adapter. I assume that Tesla will update its protocols when and if it gives a green light to Hyundai.
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
With Plug and Charge, it bills my Ford account and uses the credit card I have on file with Ford.
@kenyattaclay7666 4 ай бұрын
So it looks like if you get the Tesla membership going through their app is the only way to get the reduced rate or is there a way to link the plug and charge through Ford Pass and Tesla to get it that way?
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
It doesn't look like it.
@Paul-cj1wb 4 ай бұрын
They're 2 different protocols and Ford wants you to use the ISO 15118 so called "plug and charge" protocol meant for EA through Ford's own app which would have your billing info. I guess if the majority of their EV drivers use the Supercharger network more often from now on and all let Ford know, then perhaps Ford will change their minds. But after you first set it up, using the Tesla app only takes as long as the time it takes you to get your phone out and select the correct charger. Most stations are not 100 plus stalls. Not yet, anyway. So only an additional 5 to 10 seconds.
@reidhester 3 ай бұрын
We still have 250kW of free charging from when we bought the MME last year so our next trip will be paid for with those kWs ;-)
@MachE_VLOG 3 ай бұрын
FYI - Those 250 kW are only good on Electrify America.
@deltoncbaker Ай бұрын
Electrified America charges a fee for staying connected without charging as well.
@MachE_VLOG Ай бұрын
They've only very recently began charging idles fees and at many stations they still don't.
@crazycat24ify Ай бұрын
So I was wondering if you are a telsa member for the discounted rates, does that get passed onto you with plug and play on the ford app? Or would have to unlock it everytime with the tesla app?
@MachE_VLOG Ай бұрын
The discount does not work with the Plug&Charge so you do have to use the Tesla app.
@crazycat24ify Ай бұрын
@@MachE_VLOG thanks for the clarification! Enjoying your videos! They made me finally pull the trigger and one for myself!
@everclearsolarpanelcleanin9089 4 ай бұрын
We are EA plus members and receive 25% off but you can’t use it thru plug & charge. So we will just stick to using the Tesla app that way we don’t have to turn on and off plug & charge.
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
Hopefully they update it so you can have Plug & Charge activated on one or the other - Liv
@jcherrax 4 ай бұрын
So pretty much plug and charge from ford pass or blue oval network is the easiest (:
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
Very much so. Not necessarily the cheapest, but definitely the easiest.
@deltoncbaker Ай бұрын
The Tesla members rates are much lower than Fords rates. Tesla rates vary with time of use, I generally see a savings of about $0.20 over Fords rates.
@MachE_VLOG Ай бұрын
It varies by station and time of day. I've seen it as low as a 6 cents difference all the way up to 15 cents.
@DiegoMejia86 4 ай бұрын
Would it be possible to initiate the charge with the ford app and then connect a non Ford vehicle to the charger?
@Annette_Hons 4 ай бұрын
no, watch Tom's video, he tried it with his Rivian. Didn't work
@NMGRL505 4 ай бұрын
Beside ordering the adapters from four where else can I get one like fast
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
We have a video on one of the 3rd party adapters coming shortly
@everclearsolarpanelcleanin9089 4 ай бұрын
State of charge did a video on 2 3rd party adapters and they did not work.
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
@@everclearsolarpanelcleanin9089 Tom tested them with a Rivian - it was the vehicle that caused it not to work with the Supercharger not the 3rd party adapter.
@iMobileToyz Ай бұрын
I have the use the app to activate charging each time for my Lightning. The "Plug and Charge" did not work. How do you have it set up to do that? I also have a Telsa, and it's always "Plug and Charge" no app needed.
@MachE_VLOG Ай бұрын
You have to enter your credit card info with your Ford account. Go to Ford.com, login and then under the Connected Services for your car, you'll see the BlueOval Charge Network. You can setup payment info there and turn on P&C. Once you have done that, Tesla stations will work just like like they do with your Tesla. And you will also be able to use Plug&Charge with Electrify America stations as well.
@iMobileToyz Ай бұрын
Thanks. I have already have all that setup in the Ford and Tesla app. I am using the A2Z Typhoon Plug. It should work the same. Will try again
@MachE_VLOG Ай бұрын
@@iMobileToyz Try it at an Electrify America station if you can. If it works at EA and not Tesla, your car hasn't gotten the Tesla Plug&Charge update yet. If it doesn't work at EA, something is wrong with your payment info or Ford account.
@user-so4xr3ww6k 2 ай бұрын
Can I purchase this super adapter from Amazon?
@MachE_VLOG 2 ай бұрын
No. You can get one from Ford for free if you own a Mach-E or Lightning. Or you can order an adapter from A2Z: a2zevshop.com/collections/charging-adapters/products/nacs-ccs1?ref=machevlog&variant=43186507579592 Our review of the A2Z Typhoon NACS Adapter: mustangmacheclub.org/a2z-typhoon-nacs-to-ccs-adapter/
@user-so4xr3ww6k 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!! Fords adapters are back ordered. I just bought my Mach E a couple months ago. I won’t get it till October. Bummer
@brhutchi 4 ай бұрын
Should only be one way
@MachE_VLOG 4 ай бұрын
Options are always nice.
@keithferguson6422 4 ай бұрын
Thank you Tesla for being # 1.
@mikemorin76 4 ай бұрын
Please, just pull the plug straight out. Don't reef on it up and down. You'll bend the pins. I realize in the video you're only wrecking your adapter and charge port, but if you're doing the same thing on public CCS stations you are wrecking the plugs that everyone has to use. Thanks
@joweb1320 4 ай бұрын
Ford Pass looks like the best way. No reason to share your credit card number with Tesla.
@Crisbas45 4 ай бұрын
Yeah don’t share anything with Tesla that’s the spirit ! Shame shame
@nickmartin8495 4 ай бұрын
good call, if there’s a way to use it without putting musk on my personal phone or giving him my credit card information maybe i’ll do it in an emergency situation
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