The Transformers on the WA 273 are always engaged!!! The Tone button just changes the Impedance of the input Transformers.
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@DavidSJ_DAP2 жыл бұрын
OK, cool!
@7171jay2 ай бұрын
@richard. Exactly. This tone button isn't something unusual to the Warm 273 but is found on the original Neve and probably every clone of it. Some companies label it as impedance, some 300 ohm / 1200 ohm, and some simply TONE. Honestly of somebody doesn't get what this button does they shouldn't be explaining to others how to use these preamp. This clearly isn't a slip of the tongue or flipping things around (as anyone can do occasionally) but actual misunderstanding of what this button does and the basic functions of a 1073 type preamp.
@NOLASkaGuitarist2 ай бұрын
@@7171jay Yep my ISA two has a variable impedance with 4 settings for mic matching and different tonal characteristics. It's best to read the manual to find what the best impedance is for your mic, or experiment.
@natcoziay6 ай бұрын
I tried this with a Neve 5024 preamp and it makes a very noticeable difference. Thanks for the advice!
@MixingMusicAnalog6 ай бұрын
No problem!
@meshica72 жыл бұрын
Listening on my Sennheiser HD600s and my ART RM5s, I do like the API..to my ears a little more warmth and the low end is nice and tight. The Neve sounds slightly more open with more mid-range. They both sound wonderful in their own way and each has it's definite analogue signature. Very concise video and easy to follow! Thank you David! I am so salivating to do this!
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan!
@DavidSJ_DAP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan! It's worth the effort, believe me...
@timothyjudsontaylorofficia97862 жыл бұрын
Ill try this with my shelford channels. I already use them in the mix processs as outboard EQ, compression and Silk transformer, but using the pre adds another layer. Worth a try!
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
Let us know what you think once you give it a try
@ErikAnders10 ай бұрын
So what did you find? I’m wondering if I can use the gain on the 542s now
@KasperViggoJensen7 ай бұрын
Would love to know how that works out!
@michaeltablet85772 жыл бұрын
Great video! I can't say thank you enough for all have taught me through your videos! God bless you all!
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@DavidSJ_DAP2 жыл бұрын
Thank You!
@JasonBuffin2 жыл бұрын
I do exactly this on every mix with few flavors to choose from. Everything runs through the ICs on my SSL SiX but then I hit a color box with 15IPS tape color, pentode tube saturation, and an API-style op-amp and transformer. I can dial in each of the colors as needed for the track.
@DavidSJ_DAP2 жыл бұрын
Do you use the DIYRE Color modules? How do you like them? How's the quality?
@JasonBuffin2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidSJ_DAP YES! I have a bunch of DIYRE stuff; 15IPS tape, pentode tube (Louder than liftoff), CTX transformer, OSA5 opto compressor with vintage output, CP5 colour preamp, DI box, line attenuator box (helpful for sending line level into mic inputs). Everything I've made from them has been amazing. Maybe we should collab on a video about them ;)
@DavidSJ_DAP2 жыл бұрын
@@JasonBuffin Thanks, I've been looking at them for my 500 rack, I may just take the plunge...
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
go for it!
@FacemeltingsolosMusic Жыл бұрын
@Jason Buffin Freaking love my DIYRE stuff. Don't have any of the colour stuff yet, but the OLA5 is dope and the EQP5's are always on every mix. Can't wait for that bus compressor.👀
@Thomas.Lafitte Жыл бұрын
Thank's for your help! I think you're just right! I prefer the Neve mix, I think it has a "magic" that the two other miss a bit, in comparaison. I will definitively try it for my own work!
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@willowlacrosse3728 Жыл бұрын
wow, this technique really removes the flatness from the digital mix. Sounds more analog!
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@deandresmith57614 ай бұрын
Exactly it's the analog it makes the plugs sound 3d.. I just started using pipeline in S1 and I won't be going back totally in the box
@thevictorydrive3 ай бұрын
This channel should be much bigger. Keep at it!
@MixingMusicAnalog3 ай бұрын
Working on it! Thanks for the support
@enigmazach2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised, but I actually prefer the dry version. The API is my second fave. I may need to download the files and double-check.
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
Check them out and give a listen
@DavidSJ_DAP2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the dry mix is REALLY good...the tracks I used are stems from a partially mixed session, so there is some EQ and compression going on them...I wanted the track to "fit together" better than raw files...
@PhatLvis9 ай бұрын
Preamps alone such a great improvement over straight digital. Both models sound good, Neve probably best. All the great records we know from the past were recorded and mixed using analog gear and tape. If sounding like Those Records is a criterion for a great mix (and it should be), there is simply no substitute for real analog; plugins do a Thing, and are better than nothing, but side by side with the Real thing they've never measured up.
@MixingMusicAnalog9 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@chris_share2 жыл бұрын
Hey David, great demo, thanks! I've been doing what you've shown with a Warm 273-EQ. It definitely adds some analog flavour without any aliasing issues. The only downside is that the EQ gain controls aren't stepped so it's hard to match the L/R channels. Cheers!
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
Cool, thanks!
@DavidSJ_DAP2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Chris! I get how the EQ can be hard to balance, but matching the EQ is perhaps not as important as matching the L/R levels...PEACE!
@brianalexander71692 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this David SJ! I’m traveling this weekend so I can’t hear this in my monitors yet but will definitely fire it up when I get back home. Thinking of running my mixes through the Focusrite ISA Two I use for recording
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
Dave's the man!!
@fif666fury Жыл бұрын
i prefer personally Neve preamps on the whole mix and API on individuals tracks because they boost transients more than Neve
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Nice!!
@Hello-pl2qe11 ай бұрын
Something no one seems to mention is that your interface and its converters have high and low pass filters on them and essentially sending anything out of the box into outboard gear and back in can be providing an eq removing unwanted subfrequencies or even diminishing aliasing artifacts in the high end. Depending on how well you mix you may even hear more drastic differences sending to outboard gear because its removing your flabby and poorly mixed sub frequencies and it can immediately tighten up that sound.
@MixingMusicAnalog11 ай бұрын
We have a video coming up soon about that topic. Those filters you are talking about are cutting off frequencies well above 20K so you really cant hear that anyway. This all has to do with bit depth and samples rates etc....again, we have a video coming soon to discuss. Thanks for watching
@Hello-pl2qe11 ай бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog awesome, I'll look forward to watching it.
@PhillRS5 ай бұрын
If your recorded sound it in 44.1k, it will cut above 22.05k and if it's in 48k it'll cut above 24k... and so on... there are exceptions but that's the main understanding as far as I know.
@AH23794 Жыл бұрын
I have the Capi Vp28 platinum editions on my master bus!!!
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
NICE! I have heard the Capi stuff is great!
@Ricksterpt3 ай бұрын
I like theAPI.
@MixingMusicAnalog3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@vminator9 ай бұрын
On the WA273, the TONE button doesn't "engage" the transformer. The transformer is always in the circuit. The TONE button changes input transformer impedance useful with ribbon mics and for a different tone.
@MixingMusicAnalog8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info
@petespencer-smith5059Ай бұрын
Dry mix sounds best to my ears, much wider and more open than the API or the Neve.
@MixingMusicAnalogАй бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@doubleg10945 ай бұрын
i think Avalon AD2022 was built for that ... very transparent and ideal for reamping an already colored sound + stepped knobs perfect for stereo matching --- DW fearn VT2 is the perfect larger than life HI-Fi sound , very fancy sound , but it can break the stereo with its variable gain. RND dual preamps not a good deal if you already have the silk circuitries in your racks especially the MBT
@MixingMusicAnalog5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@doubleg10945 ай бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog i learned a lot from your channel
@dco_3 ай бұрын
Yeah, what your ears were saying I heard as well. These airpod max phones have pretty solid drivers in them. I can't decide if I like the added color and compression from either. I like the scooped neve sound better, I think there's more clarity and definition across the spectrum. Maybe if they were level matched after the compression I'd think otherwise, but there's a lot to like about the dry mix. Great video!
@MixingMusicAnalog3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Circharles22 күн бұрын
Is this like running the audio through a dedicated summing box?
@MixingMusicAnalog21 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching
@Circharles21 күн бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog thanks for answering my question
@DavidSJatWork7 күн бұрын
Sort of...a summing mixer works on a multiple track level, whereas this on a master buss is working on an already summed source, but the effect is very similar...it also simplifies the setup...
@jenyahp2828Ай бұрын
Great video! I think imma need to pick up some mic pres I guess. lol
@MixingMusicAnalogАй бұрын
You should! vLOL
@jimmiefarmer30222 жыл бұрын
For me, I prefer what the WA-273 does versus the WA-412 in these examples. Honestly, I thought the 412 version sounded "smaller" than the other two, but I'm guessing it's due to you hitting the 412 a little more aggressively? Now I'm going to have to wire up my 273 and test again, so thanks for that!
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@DavidSJ_DAP2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's possible I wasn't 100% fair to the 412 in this demo...I've been preferring that one on most of my work recently... And get that 273 working, dammit!
@mrshiney26 ай бұрын
People talk about tubes all the time...I have found out its TRANSFORMERS. Its the magnetic thing that adds the magic
@MixingMusicAnalog6 ай бұрын
I agree with you!!
@enrifretless14 күн бұрын
A little bit late on this video, but for me the Neve sounded "better", BTW looks like the files have been deleted from the Dropbox link Thanks for the demonstration!
@MixingMusicAnalog13 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@thewhitedude11 Жыл бұрын
This may be a silly question, but how would this way of thinking work with plug ins? I intend on getting a wa273 (I currently have a wa73eq and love it) but due to other upgrades taking priority, should I bother with mixing through a stereo preamp plug in?
@thewhitedude11 Жыл бұрын
Other notes, my current chain is stereo pair of eqpwa, wa bus comp, drawmer 1974 EQ and ssl fusion
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
That is a fine stereo bus chain. You really dont need anything else.
@Hassan_Omer6 ай бұрын
I am confused about something here because I recently got a pair of eqs and comps as 500 series units they are all mono except for the comps that have an option to work as a stereo pair. In your situation I see that you are sending a stereo mix to one mono preamp which after processing is going to make a mix mono, right ? And let's say now we send the setereo mix to a pair of mono eqs or preamps. How do we do that ? The way i tried doing so is to send the stereo mix in to two seperate buses and then panned each bus to Left and Right then sent each bus as mono to each pair of preamps and eqs. Is this how it is done or this is the wrong way ? Because I tried processing my stereo bus by using two mono compressors for each channel and I was getting phasing issues. Any guidance will be much appreciated.
@MixingMusicAnalog6 ай бұрын
This is a question is for DSJ, I'll let him answer this one.
@maartenmoesen Жыл бұрын
Okay!
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@chrisjay3026 Жыл бұрын
I mix through ssl pres. Big open clean and punchy
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
NIICE!!
@Jayrawk Жыл бұрын
Might be cool to get a lunchbox with 2 SSL preamps and a SSL bus compressor.
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Good idea
@dimasanovproduction Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! I have a question, Dave! When you send stereo signal from line outs to hardware, how do you set gain at line in for right and left channel? I thought on focusrite clarett there are handy trims on the line ins, and you can not set two line in levels for exact same number! Correct me if im wrong please! Very interesting how did you solve this problem? Im choosing right usb interface for me for hybrid mixing and can not find anything exept antelope orion series where you can set the same level digitally for different line ins. Thanks for the answer! Appreciate your work!
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Good question. I'll let DSJ answer this one.
@hauntedbytheliving1175 Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one scratching my head about the Neve sounding mid forward and kind of “trashy”? The kick’s bottom just drops out completely. The mids aren’t tastefully “punchy” either… just the ugly kind we usually EQ out of a mix. Sound nothing like the vintage Neve’s I’ve worked with or the BAE that I currently own and run mixes through. The API sounded muuuuch better to my ears on this… the only “boutique” sounding mix of the three. The non effected was a great sounding mix just very “clear” and clean/less euphonic “hardware” sound. The W73 honestly sounds broken or something. I’d love to hear a BAE or even 500 series AMS Neve comparison. Either way thanks for the vid! 👏
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your input and for watching!
@gunluv96 Жыл бұрын
Greetings, This is an amazing video. This technique has been used in major studios for years. Some people use this in place of analog outboard bus summing, but I have yet to compare this technique to an outboard summing mixer. Currently rewiring my lab but my mix bus will be vintech x73i -> ADL 1500 (dual La2a clone as a limiter) -> x16 to print final mix. Wondering if I should add my SSL to the mixing stage and add it again during the mastering stage? Thoughts? Feedback welcome.
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
what SSL? you did not say. Adding a Master bus compressor make a lot of sense for sure
@gunluv96 Жыл бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog SSL Fusion, sorry I left that information out of the original post. 😅
@pedroahets11 ай бұрын
Hi guys, does anybody try the rascal audio stereo preamps? And if so what do you think of them? Thanks!!!
@MixingMusicAnalog11 ай бұрын
I don't have any experience with Rascal Audio, sorry
@k.ollektiv2 жыл бұрын
Great Video, thank you both! Dear DavidSJ, how did you gain match the printed tracks - did you match LUFS, peak or by hearing? The Neve preamps change the sound to my ears the way, the Rupert Neve Summing Boxes do, they seem to give more 3D and air. Sounds great to me. But then I wondered hearing the 0 test: if it does not 0 out over all frequencies nearly the same - doesn't that mean, that it is just louder? Or is ist not louder but more saturated over all frequencies? 🤔
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
Dave and answer this below
@DavidSJ_DAP2 жыл бұрын
I gain matched by normalizing all 3 then checking on a VU/LUFS analyzer///the tracks did not print out matched, I did that in the second session... The null test does indicate some volume differences, yes, but I also hear frequency differences between them...as I said in the video it is EXTREMELY subtle, but the differences do come into play as you mix through them...
@k.ollektiv2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidSJ_DAP thanks a lot!
@djdanger98122 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t you be better off just running your mix through something like the Neve 542 tape emulators. You’ll have much more colour and saturation on hand to dial in to your liking. Seems like a better bang for buck, or am I missing something here?
@MixingMusicAnalog2 жыл бұрын
That is another way to do it for sure. but they are different sounds.
@DavidSJ_DAP2 жыл бұрын
It's a choice...I like to use the preamps for a "console" type effect...the Tape Emulators have a more specific kind of effect on the audio, and could actually be used in conjunction with the preamps as well... As far as "bang for the buck" a stereo preamp like mine costs about 1000.00, while the Neve 542s are 850.00 each, or 1900.00 total...
@djdanger98122 жыл бұрын
@@DavidSJ_DAP Thanks for the reply. Im not knocking your approach and was wondering what the result would be running a mix through a preamp like you have. To my ears It gives a slight smiley face curve to the mix and obviously pushed at the input stage of the preamps it would get some nice saturation also. Have you tried the SSL Fusion? Engaging the transformer in the unit and pushing the input really brings some nice colour which I think you would enjoy, fills out the bottom in a classy way.
@justin.johnson Жыл бұрын
@@djdanger9812 yeah they've used fusion
@Soundilla_877 ай бұрын
What’s that Reaper color theme called?
@MixingMusicAnalog7 ай бұрын
No idea, sorry
@JuanRamone23 Жыл бұрын
does anybody have a problem getting the print to actually get audio of the hardware . everything is routed right . I'm can hear the difference for sure when I put my wa273 on my master track. but when I go to print and play back . the processing from the wa273 doesn't get recorded. I can't figure out why for the life of me. My Daw is pro tools
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
No idea, sorry. I am not a Pro Tools user. I am sure something is routed incorrectly
@runemidsun Жыл бұрын
Are you bouncing realtime or offline?
@RainEntertainmentNE10 ай бұрын
Bounce in realtime
@NOLASkaGuitarist7 ай бұрын
This is your answer Juan. Anytime I'm running a hardware insert I can no longer bounce faster than real time. You listen to the track print.
@NOLASkaGuitarist7 ай бұрын
Also, something I've learned from when I started running outboard was if you're using an interface that utilizes an internal digital mixer or direct monitoring blending with the daw output, you should bypass the mixer/turn off dir. monitoring so you're only hearing what the daw is putting out. Otherwise you'll hear the latency free direct signal from your outboard gear on top of the DAW mix which is going to have some latency going back in and cause phasing issues that will sound terrible.
@KennyGuyte10 ай бұрын
Would the UA Twin Finity 710 be considered?
@MixingMusicAnalog10 ай бұрын
Sure. That is a great preamp
@KennyGuyte10 ай бұрын
This is cool channel. A respected Engineer whose actually engaged.
@user-jc1bb8tr8v Жыл бұрын
So it have to be a stereo preamp ?an if so can i use two different preamps
@MixingMusicAnalog Жыл бұрын
Sure you can!
@leonardblack13755 ай бұрын
@@MixingMusicAnalog Thank you for the great video, and finding your answer that using different mic pres to run mix bus through is possible. So at the lower gain settings running one channel through Neve and another through Api would not be a major problem due to different characteristics these brands/styles of preamps are known for?