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I was trying KZfaq super thanks. I tried it the previous evening, but this next morning, it worked well. Thank you 😎👍. I'm able to understand well from your teaching style.

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I'll consider it (no promise though)

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel That would be fantastic, thank you for considering it!

There are sufficient good videos on KZfaq about Wifi.

Burning in cables is simple: take a cd- or network player, have it play on repeat 24/7 for a week with the cable connected. For loudspeakers: put them 'nose to nose', with the baffles almost touching, reverse the polarity on one of the two loudspeakers and have it play music on a low level for some days. When done properly, you will only hear some high frequencies. You don't need to do that with the loudspeakers in the living. Have some cheap speakers and amp to do that.

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@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Hello Hans - in your opinion : assuming that all else is equal and high quality in a system, is a PROPERLY implemented USB connection superior in sound reproduction to a PROPERLY implemented fibre optic cable ? thanks and cheers and congratulations on your high quality videos!

I should add that the USB cable I have is made by CAD in England - the power is in a separate wire to the signal wires :-)

If, and only if, you could find such devices, they would sound equal. Let me know if you ever come across such a setup. 😁

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you SO much for your reply Hans! OKAY let me rephrase that Q . . . is a high quality USB cable POTENTIALLY better than an optic cable - the reason I ask is that my intuition tells me that no audible interference can be transmitted in light - am I wrong to assume that?

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I have never tried that combination so I can't say.

Yes, it's called the Jitterbug and I mention it in the video.

Which one then? I don't know of any DAC that is insensitive to the quality of the source.

I have drawn the line at connecting DAC's directly to a computer. Sorry. It's expensive to get a computer to sound right. Use a normal computer as storage and music server and then use a network bridge for audio output.

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel I use the Matrix Element H USB pcie card, together with an iFi external power supply and a Supra USB cable to great effect. It's not cheap but at around $500 in total, I wouldn't call it expensive given the rest of my system.

It's not what I focus on yet

The best way is to use a network bridge or streamer.

I mean audible quality.

No, these are called glitches that occur when the streamer is malfunctioning.

Every digital interface works great when done perfectly. USB, however, often is done poorly, especially on computers.

My question is: why don't DAC manufacturers and especially streamers manufacturers strive to make I²S the standard audio interface? (Even the most expensive Auralic and Aurender models don't have I²S output). Is it because USB - provided it is implemented as it should - is not worse?@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel

I'll dive into it.

I don’t have a Windows computer that has PCI slots. Sorry

no need for windows, just Linux on AMD CPU@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel

They are noisy.

There are more, like Network Acoustics

Dave and his Wireworld business has been high value, high performance, and usually a half dozen series options for each cable protocol. Was lucky enough to discover Wireworld in ~2004 and never looked back.

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Well, as long as you enjoy the music...

Wont that music go through your tube amp anyways? EDIT// maybe I misunderstood your comment

@@sdrtcacgnrjrc haha i guess so. i think he means there is too much going on to be able to keep up with it. I have trouble with it also. I dont think i will be going to use USB for music. For me USB is for a mouse and keyboard.

That depends on factors I can’t see from here. Therefore - and because of time restraints - I don’t do personal buying advice. Sorry.

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel thanks for your answer. I do understand.

Perhaps buy & try both? If there's a difference send the cheaper one back, if there's no difference send the more expensive one back, if there's no difference with the existing situation send both back

The specs say 5 meters but for quality audio I would keep it as short as possible. If you need to cover a larger distance, use a network bridge.

I have no idea. Don’t know the Behringer products

bamboo is the key word here. Doesn't have to be ikea

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Agreed, but would also note the Ikea Aptitlig boards are rather thick (3.3cm) and are wide and deep enough to support most gear, so offer a tremendous bang for buck. Especially when rested on Atacama isolation gel pads. My system was already quite resolving, but applying this budget tweak I can hear new percussion details on about half of the tracks I listen to.

No, I have no clue. But the effect is really obvious.

No one has ever been able to demonstrate any effect. It is an extraordinary claim contrary to any possible measurement, every generally accepted theory of physics, it is against math and also the objective and subjective opinion of every audio professional on planet earth. It thus demands extraordinary proof. This channel does not provide this, but I guess it is for light entertainment purpose only.

In general, not. HDMI has audio chopped up in between the video information. Reconstruction can be good but is not guaranteed.

A network bridge is the clearly better option.

Ok I will look into setting this up and comparing. Thank you so much@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel

The answer may be that they act as RFI filters, which is an electrical rather than a clock issue.

@@colingreen4357 jitterbug and that reclocker don't have optical galvanic isolation, as far as i am aware, so there's no isolation

@@user-xl4nt8ep8d Sorry, I can’t follow your point there. My comment was simply that filtering out RFI is a separate issue from the influence (if any) of clocking matters. And a Jitterbug and a reclocker work in very different ways.

It filters out electronic noise. It has no direct influence on the clock signal. But it introduces jitter during D to A conversion. Watch: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eJODp7eh0be-qac.html

A poorly clocked USB signal will cause the receiver chip to work harder to decode the USB signal, and as a result inject more noise/jitter into its output, even if its reclocked locally, at least that's the way I understand it

No you don't.

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel you've done this and there's no difference?

@@Chris-hy6jy of course not

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel sorry, your answer is not clear. Do you mean you haven't tested it in this way, or you have tested it and there's no difference?

There is no relevant difference to see on a scope.

My preference for digital audio is AES/EBU, SPDIF 0r I²S, TOSlink and than USB Audio Class 2. But in some cases USB is the better or only option.

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel can you give an example of a device where optical is worse than usb? Does it depend on usb chips like xmos xu208? what if I have an electrically noisy environment and long wires, in this case is optical preferred?

I only do audio

I guess you haven`t learned everything effects everything yet. It will come with more experience.

Try it. Buy two audio class USB cables, use one for a few weeks and then compare then. If you don't hear a difference, your stereo might not be of sufficient quality or set up less optimal. Or your auditory system doesn't focus on the right things.

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel -OR it is already optimal and there is negligible amounts of noise on 2 data lines that are already being isolated for, so almost any cable will provide an identical experience. I’d go as far as to say (beyond burn-in), if you’re hearing a difference with high quality vs. “Audiophile grade” USB cables then the system is definitely not optimal and there are significant weak points in the digital pathway

@@mikemajors2385 you’re missing it and being ignorant. But I’ll bite. What changes after weeks of running a cable in the same setup? Basically 2 things (ignoring oxidation/corrosion), if controlled. Temperature and the positioning of the electrons. From a new cable running in a system, the electrons will reach their native states in less than a minute of operation. Temperature takes longer but not 2 weeks. Sure if you take it out of the box from sitting cold outside and throw it in the system, and have a highly resolving system with digital pathway issues, then you MAY notice a difference once the cable reaches an equilibrium temperature. That’s it. Digital is not analog. Yes, analogous noise can still propagate along digital cables, but for different reasons and results differently. A good quality shielded cable AND equipment that is properly designed to handle USB (not as an after thought feature) will have effectively no difference in switching to whatever unobtanium audiophile cable you throw at it and no difference in burn-in, beyond the stated above, extreme temperature scenario, unless your source or end point are poorly designed (read: shitting out noise) and unable to mitigate it. Then you may have a scenario where a “better” cable might make a difference, but again -cable burn-in is not going to make a difference outside of ~an hour. I will however test this and report back. If I’m wrong, I’ll eat my shoe. I’ve tested tons of this before (some surprising, others not), but never a 2 week cable burn-in. I challenge you though, please tell me what else a 2 week cable burn-in is going to change? Will the changes go away when not in use? After how long? Is the burn-in permanent? Why? What is physically changing?

If harmonics doesn’t concern you then yes wouldn’t hear it.

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Exactly. Plenty of DAC makers have made incredibly effective USB implementations. So much so that USB is often the best sounding input on many DACs.

Roys in vivir Digital says the same. Nowadays many dacs resolve jitter problem in usb audio

O, but I agree completely. If both the USB output on the sending device and the input on the receiving device are perfectly designed and built, It offers the same quality as with perfectly applied AES/EBU, I²S or SPDIF. But these are scarce, I'm afraid.

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Correct me if I’m wrong… I thought SPDIF (optical TOSLINK or RCA coax) is fundamentally flawed in the same way USB Audio Class 1 is flawed: data is clocked at the source. The DAC is unable to control the flow of data and therefore cannot fully control jitter; no amount of careful DAC implementation can correct the problem. Jitter performance with these connections becomes a function of the source. USB Audio Class 2 (and maybe also I2S, not sure) puts the DAC in control and the quality of its implementation determines jitter performance.

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Hans, I just ordered a Lumin U2 streamer which has a fiber optic network output. Have you tested this before and how it compared to all the other audio outputs on a streamer?

USB B has two data lines that are used bidirectional or unidirectional, depending on the mode used. And it has a +5 volt power line that comes from the sending device.

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@@westernartifact580 please explain. Rather a sweeping statement I feel, when you have no concept of which Apple devices I employ. What adaptations I make to them and what equipment I pair them with plus, although it’s true to say that I use apple products to stream music, they are not my only streaming device, or indeed, music source. So I have plenty of comparisons, not involving Apple products. I look forward to a full explanation of that sweeping statement.

There is no error correction in USB Audio Class 1. USB Audio Class 2 that is used nowadays does have error correction.

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