This is the single best idea in KZfaq history. the teamwork with Pro and Silver is such a fun idea and I hope this does well and you make more of this.

It was purely amazing to be part of the challenge! (I'm the diamond player) thank you for the invitation! Also, if you're wandering why your teammate was a bit afk in terms of base defense in the first couples of minutes, it's because he was busy microing ravens in my base ;)

Lol Marc getting stressed out for once is a vibe I didn't know i needed. That frustrated 'I'm gunna make a spine if he doesen't scout the opponent's base' had me laughing so hard. Amazing content as always on this channel!

I love how Marc was getting more stressed doing this than he gets playing his own games when hes macroing and microing while also delivering S tier commentary.

Seeing Marc tortured by 4 idle queens while reapers are reaping his drones.. priceless! :D

Hahah well played to all parties involved. Marc almost writing SIEGE THEM at 32:48 lol I haven't laughed this much in a long time haha

The best part is to see you suffer Marc, sorry to say - but this is so funny, really great stuff :-D Big thx and respect to all the brave players to go on stream here!!

That killing own stalker got me haha. This was super interesting actually, loved this

"I never want you to control my drones again!" lmao. This is peak content right here.

I HIGHLY look forward to these featured archon modes. Makes me want to play SC2 again.

Yeah, micro is definitely more representative of one's ranking. From personal experience, whenever there's a fight or an attack coming, it's the macro that suffers while micro takes my full attention. This was a great watch, even if that last game was a bit painful. Turns out not even the best macro in the world can help you if you just move your units through the enemy army to kill one unit in the back. As for other challenges of this type: you had one where you fought 6 bronze/silver players. You could maybe do a twist on that where you allow one master/GM player on the same team with 2/3/4/5 silver/bronze players, where the master/GM player can only advise his teammates on what to build/where to focus their attention, and overall coordinate them.

I just wanna say, I've been watching you since the start, and I have loved all of your series, garnered many favorites, but this is so fresh! I am absolutely loving this team content, this is like Uthermal casting a game, while playing it and it is so wholesome how he enjoys the content.

SMH I can't believe your teammate not sieging the tanks (I have never played this game, have never sieged a tank in my life) Haha, I love these videos where you play with/against fans like this! Hope you keep them coming!

Marc having an anxiety attack watching the unsieged tanks head towards the opponents' army lololol

OMG I laughed when that first guy has killed his own stalker, but later I just blew up when he killed his own battery at 11:54 xD

Oh, and one more thing: what is very important in archon mode is teamwork. For example if I was silver league player in the last game I would be very confused. First I would see that Thermy is rallying all units to the units that I already have, I would think: great that means I don't have to look for new units. But then after a while Thermy started rally them to a places he wanted them to be, and I would probably not notice them as well. After all lower league players have problems with spotting units. It's even harder to spot your own units on minimap if you don't know they were there. Overall I think huge part of last defeat was miscommunication between team-mates.

Disclaimer: I've never played any SC2. I just watch a lot of uThermal on my TV. Great challenge. Super entertaining. Plenty of room for improvement! I think maybe Marc just needs to practice this particular sort of challenge a bit more, as silly as that sounds. He's beat insane challenges using nothing but "bad units". This is no different. Except that the "bad unit" is a human teammate. Adjustments will obviously need to be made. Perhaps he's still macro-ing like a guy that knows he has great micro to fall back on. I think (perhaps naively) he should have built way more fixed base defenses, not because that's an efficient use of resources, but because it's the only defense that he could count on, and it was, arguably, his job. (Fixed defense counts as "macro", right?) Maybe even build layered (forward-ish) defenses. And communicate more. Much more. Not strategy, not advice, but things like: "8 zerglings coming right up", or, "I'm rallying 6 tanks to this location for now" or ask what units the silver actually wanted as you got further into the games. Don't make the silver type. You type. He is busy and panicking. I'm guessing that in some ways the silver's micro was actually disadvantaged by having Marc playing half his game. Sure, the macro was amazing, but the silver couldn't build the units he wanted, couldn't readily adapt to using unfamiliar units, probably didn't know what units were actually building, couldn't quickly find the units Marc had actually built, and he didn't have the spare APM to ask questions. I think Marc could have used some of his idle APM to help the silver out. Not to help the silver be better than normal, but to avoid confusing the silver even more. And yes, maybe even build more units that "don't need micro". (Perhaps that's all part of a different challenge from this one.) None of that would have helped with the perpetually un-sieged siege tanks however. I hope Marc doesn't develop an ulcer! Again, great and thought provoking content.

That was a wee bit painful and a big bit funny to watch :) This is a great idea. More please.

35 seconds in and I'm already feeling the pain

Who else wants to see a mini tournament with streamers and their metal league apprentices ? Maybe with uThermal, PiG, MaNa, Winter, Harstem, and Lowko? Maybe have a practice day first, to get to know your apprentice?

😂😂 the vibes are unmatched!! I'm having a great time watching you have a great time just watching what's going on hahah

feel bad for your blood pressure but man. that was GOOD. cheers Marc

I really love these micro/macro mix ups. Please do more!

6:50 I haven't seen Marc that speechless in a while 💀

This is hy far the best idea youve had for a series yet, being able to just sit back between macro cycles and watch/commentate is great

I feel like communication with your teammate should definitely be allowed. but bare minimum communication is a lot funnier!

06:52 he caught a terran spy, nice catch!!!!❤

I loved this series. In a lot of ways, this was more informative and "teaching" than just watching you play, as you get to see the mistakes an inexperienced player will make and how they affect the outcome real-time. Please do more like this!

This was really fun to watch. All the other challenges were too, but in this one i found myself playing, as im also only gold league and do the same mistakes as Marcs allies here... So, a good lesson learned! Thx for all the good content, keep going, Marc!!!

honestly, one of the best ideas you've had in a WHILE, in my humble opinion. (also loved bongcloud to gm). archon play has some awesome possiblities, not many other streamers do it. well done friend.

You typically have great ideas for making SC2 even more fun but this series is excellent! Seeing the difference in skill levels in an ally format makes it more like a coaching experience. The mistakes and bum strats you avoid but a newer player might try are on display for you to pick out and warn against. But my favorite thing is your competitive but kind commentary.

Really appreciate the volunteers who played these games. Super entertaining!

This is a rather funny conclusion given that so many SC2 improvement videos talk about focusing on macro to improve (which I still think is true) but you made it way further when you were microing and a silver was macroing.

What a Trainwreck of an episode

33:16 dude I am laughing for 20 seconds now my tears are falling at your reaction "DUDE SIEGE THEM, DUDE!!" hahah, maaaan this series was incredible. Thanks Uthermal for being you, most wholesome guy on youtube!

Me being friends with your teammate i can tell you he is definitely Bronze League. ;)

Marc and Simp. I;m dying from my sides bursting like a baneling.

This is brilliant. We need more of this please.

I love this concept. I play Warhammer40K and have experiemented with Rookie + Expert team games but this with the Expert on Macro and the Rookie on micro is an amazing parsing of the SC2 game. Marc you will have to keep a cool washclothe for your forehead when playing these games hahahah watching you, watch base defence is hillarious. :)

My stress level increased watching this lol I love it

As a platinum, I tend to overestimate my units in fights and just throw my armies away on accident, so very impressive micro from this silver player

Lol i love these archon plays !!! Hilarious great content.

More of this! This is so funny to watch 😂

That was sooo fun! Listening to Marc as the micro failed was hilarious

That was quite a funny video, more entertaining than the one where you were in charge of the micro! GG

Freezing when stuff is happening even happens to noobs in dota2. Having 300 apm microing one unit thus always moving and always knowing whats happening everywhere on the map is what we high mmr people do.

I love this series. I think you could probably retry this challenge but significantly change your own play style - build more static defenses and depend on your macro to overcome the "wasted money" needed to build those. That way you need to depend on silver micro a lot less for base defense

marc and simp killed me haha

Great Video my friend! Hits hard because this is more or less how I play.. any tips on how to improve micro (except "play more")?

Make it so, silver player only controls units and the pro just does the building, and either player can do all of the other stuff; rallying, scans, etc.

When marc is giving you advice ending with "my friend", then you know he that he is completely losing it. :D

We love you Thermal!!! You make our days!!!

Every SC2 beginner guide: macro > micro! uThermal microing: beats GM uThermal macroing: loses in round 2 You guys have been lying to me!

Thanks for the game Marc! I enjoyed playing with you, even tho I got destroyed) GGWP

7:07 That's adorable. hahah

XD thanks for the quality content uThermal

This is the best series for sure so much fun! 😂

Definitely enjoyable. Kudos to all micro players as well! I definitely know the situation of "if only I had one more unit..." you get during a fight, but I think we have to acknowledge that wishing for units and having them are two different things. My feeling is that some guys tiltted a bit, especially the last one. I have not played sc for a long time, but I think that everyone would place the first tanks as sieged units, in devensive positions around their base and then attack. This format, understandably in a way, forced him to go and attack with the huge amount of units he had, instead of building things up like he would probably normally do. Turteling for example never seemed an option, although it would have been a viable one that many professional players execute. I guess you don't want to do that on a stream with an insane amount of units... Good try and definitely an enjoyable video. I think the other formula: Silver macro and GM micro is more to my liking. It also puts less pressure on the silvers to "perform", whatever they would think that is. That is another factor that Marc, as a seasoned streamer, does not have to struggle with :D

I definitely want to see more of these.

I would really love to try either version of these types of games, looks so fun :D plus I'm sure I could learn a lot from it..

It is really fun watching uthermal be stress free😂😂

dude macro video was entertaining to watch where this video is nerve-wrecking to watch, I was shouting at my screen for the last 15 minutes

Love this idea! Thanks thermy!

showcasing the importance of attack moving really well at the end there

please more, that was fun to watch

Uthermal vs 10 man archon xD

That was a lot of fun to watch :)

Telling uThermal to not micro is a more effective torture method than waterboarding

This was a fun watch, I didn't realize you could even do this! Is it a mode or an option I'm not aware of?

Crazy cool. Wonder how far a noob's like me can go with uThermal as the backbone. Fun idea keep it up!

I respect the challenge, but you had it right the first time. Weaker player-Macro....Stronger player-Micro

I love that, "HAHA, Get Fricked."

Ive been waiting for this one. I have a backlog of uthermal videos but for this i skipped ahead

Fun series!

constantly suiciding units is all too real

Love the archon game modes!

You could have tried to lift your buildings to save them at the end since you are macro guy. Extremely fun to watch and hope you do more like this.

God, I laughed a lot at this video , very good 😂. I m sorry for the silver teammate, he just needs some theory, he did what he could 😄

Honestly, this kind proves the "just focus on makro and ignore everything else" mantra wrong. Yes a diamond player can beat plat with just roaches or whatever, but that's also we make the correct decisions on where to scout where to attack what fights you can take when to build drones. That's not just having more units

Cool concept.

Silver leaguers are easily thrown off so they stay in their lane. Giving him ravens was a huge curveball, asking him to get an education while performing during a challenge. I love the idea of asking what he likes to play with, and then mass producing those units. Maybe next time you pump out the units he can play with: marines, medivacs, tanks and marauders.

Marc/Simp hahahaha. Love this. Can you do more of this teamwork challenge?

As a long time bronze player who became silver when bronze went from bottom 20% to bottom 4%, this was still painful to watch. Below master, F2 is better than trying to micro. Given high GM macro, F2 should take to about master 1. Zerg has to split units for scouting, but you can assign eggs to battlegroup as Zerg, or hot key 80% of units into one group. Entertaining as heck.

This would be so much fun!!

I almost swallowed my tongue when that terran player fired his tanks away from the roaches at point blank range. I guess we'll never know what they shot at.

uthermal is less stressed out playing ghosts only against a high level pro in a tournament for real money than he was in that tvt

I love this!

Pretty funny the struggle is real lol

More, more! Haha, can silver xyz beat grandmaster videos are awesome. Kudos to the silver players, they did a good job trying to keep up!

Your teammate was so terrified to attack, lol. He'd be like sitting there with 125 supply of roach ravager staring down two tanks and ten marines. Impossible to lose the fight, but still waiting for some reason

I like the rank 1 GM flex at the start lol

The guy asked to play marine tank too 😂😂😂

Uthermals macro slipped hard. Like really hard Over 1100 minerals and almost 500 gas in the bank. At 08:35

I think it would be a good idea to run back the protoss and zerg against diamond.

now we need a revamp of the silver macro and micro archon vids but with a voice call so you can actually communicate

Im loving this format! Maybe in future you could do Gm x Silver vs Gm x Silver Thatd be awesome!

I am in the first game and I love it! I have a lot of fun with this colab

That weird stuff looks so fun

Those rallies and Un-sieges in that 3rd game were painful to watch!

That was super fun and educational! The last game could’ve been better with some extra macro: upgrades and medivacs 😆