V brakes vs cantilever brakes

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In this video I’m going to compare v brakes vs cantilever brakes to determine which one of the two is the better option.
1. Braking power
Correctly adjusted brakes will do their job and it’s no different with these two brakes. Both have the ability to lock up the wheels.
So as far as stating that one of these brakes has less braking power than the other will not be true.
2. Modulation / Brake Feel
Even though both brakes can lock up the wheel, how they do so feels utterly different. Naturally the brake levers you use to operate the brakes are very different.
The much older Shimano levers are huge in comparison to the Avid levers. And because they are much bigger they offer far more modulation or brake feel than the smaller levers of the Avid brakes.
That effect is only compounded with the fact that the v brakes themselves also are much less on / off than the cantilever brakes.
The combination of low modulation, tiny brake levers, smaller wheels (26″ vs 28″), an overall more aggressive position with the saddle positioned much higher than the handlebars has caused me to lock-up the brakes in an emergency situation and flipping me over the handlebars of the Cannondale. Very easily I’m afraid to admit.
I very much doubt this will ever happen with the Koga. Bigger wheels, heavier bike, upright position and much more modulation.
All-in-all it’s fine that a race-type bicycle has a far more direct brake feel than the touring bike. It sort of fits the characteristic of the bike type.
But I have to say that after I hit the pavement, I rely less on the brakes for safety and more on calculating where the surrounding traffic is moving and generally riding in a manner that lowers the risk of getting in a situation that’s out of my control.
3. Setup and maintenance
Of all the brakes I’ve ever needed to setup and/or maintain the Avid v brakes are the best and the Shimano cantilever brakes the worst. And they are the worst by far. Curse-style bad.
The reason why the cantilever brakes are a nightmare is
They consist of many parts
The brake shoes go all over the place because all of the parts that hold them in place can move independently
They don’t have spring tension centering screws, which makes the brake alignment process downright difficult
The cable pulley system is one more thing that needs to be adjusted and is not as straightforward as you’d like it to be.
Brake arms don’t open without rotating brake shoes because frame and fork get’s in the way. This means you can’t easily remove wheels with bigger tires.
The v brakes on the other hand are an absolute breeze to setup. They don’t fall apart, have a single cable, and both hands are enough to adjust them (with the cantilever brakes you’d wish you had 5 hands).
4. Aesthetics
The Koga’s cantilever brakes are more exotic than the much more common v brakes. Even today v brakes are often used as the preferred braking tool for non-road bike bicycles than don’t have disc brakes.
I like the very retro-looking aesthetic of the cantilever brakes. And I think I like them better than the more plain-looking v-brakes. It doesn’t meant that there aren’t some very cool-looking v brake options out there.
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@Kuriketto
@Kuriketto 2 жыл бұрын
Pad toe-in has a significant effect on power modulation, too. As an example, setting less toe-in, and thus allowing increased initial pad contact with the rim, for a rider with less hand strength will allow them to brake more easily with less hand fatigue, while a more experienced and stronger rider may want more toe-in for increased modulation. This can also help bridge the gap in feel between cantilever and v-brakes.
@reddevil211287
@reddevil211287 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and super relaxing. Thanks :)
@puro52
@puro52 3 жыл бұрын
V= easy to work with, no hassle, looks meeeh, tire clearance is on the lower side. Cantis= pain in the A to set up, needs adjusting 24/7, better tire clearance, looks bomb af(who does not want to look like a belgian cross rider?)
@SanjayKumar-jt5nb
@SanjayKumar-jt5nb 3 жыл бұрын
You are right bro
@rexjamerson9316
@rexjamerson9316 Жыл бұрын
Good analysis. I worked as a bike mechanic back in the day before a lot of the modern brake systems came about. I am building up a Trek 620 Touring bike which originally had cantilever brakes with 27 by 1 1/4 Wheels. I have installed 700c Wheels and it was only one type of cantilevers that would work on this particular setup. I'm glad to know that I am not the only one that feels these are the biggest pain in the a** to install and adjust. What a nightmare! Whoever designed these should find something else to do for a living? I have already spent money on these so I'm determined to get them to at least work halfway decent. I have worked on every other type of Rim brake imaginable accept the cantilever system. The frame will just not accept a v brake system. Most of the videos I have watched have not been of much help.
@romanmentor9238
@romanmentor9238 10 ай бұрын
The trickieet part is to adjust brake pad so it would touch the rim correcrly and not to be worn unevenly
@ChrisLoew
@ChrisLoew Жыл бұрын
Koolstop brake pads are the best, swap those in before changing brake types and long vs short pull levers to boot. A cheap upgrade with more advantages
@breathestrongcycling3672
@breathestrongcycling3672 2 жыл бұрын
Style.... cantilevers. Power and ease of use....v brake. Having a cable pulling another cable is just a bad idea. Regular V brake incompatibly with drop bar levers is a pain tho
@ronwhite8503
@ronwhite8503 2 жыл бұрын
Use mini v's.
@vaughanbbrean71
@vaughanbbrean71 Жыл бұрын
No doubt in my mind, whilst I love the look of Canti brakes, I have given up on them and switched to V brakes (old stylie with post blocks, soooo easy to adjust) surprisingly the V brakes (£6.99 from bankrupt bike parts on ebay) work just fine with the drop bar levers and are vastly better than the cantis, I tried everything, 2 sets of cantis, niether were very good, so bottom line is just bin the cantis no matter how good they look and switch to V brakes (2005 Raleigh Pioneer Venture, kind of like a Dawes Galaxy) cheap easy upgrade
@ehsansiam3123
@ehsansiam3123 3 жыл бұрын
V brakes all the way.
@patrickberkery8854
@patrickberkery8854 2 жыл бұрын
I have the exact same canti and lever setup on my 87 Schwinn Sierra. Most of my bikes have cantis. But those AT-50s are such a pain compared to the others. I'm not impressed by the braking, either. But style points-wise, those wings are the bling, even with those old cable hangers. I need to polish mine like your brakes. I watched the video because I'm thinking about going V brakes on the Sierra. Now having second thoughts...
@roncooke2188
@roncooke2188 2 жыл бұрын
Check your setting up again on cantilever brake! Interesting video thank you. I too must do a comparison. I do prefer v brakes
@leonardolarocca1999
@leonardolarocca1999 2 жыл бұрын
V brakes are better. Cheaper, just one cable, easier to set up and ajust, the cable is not exposed and leave room in the bike to mount a plataform for luggage lights bottles... (Is better)
@pablouvedoble
@pablouvedoble 2 жыл бұрын
Not for a touring bike: - Even tho you can lock up with both of them it's not the same to brake with a 40 kilo bike than a 10 kilo bike. - Also, v-brakes are not long lasting, so I end up replacing the pads every single tour I made. - And... v-brakes do not enjoy a constant brake at 60km/h. They have different porpouses.
@markjmaxwell9819
@markjmaxwell9819 2 жыл бұрын
V brakes are great and a step up from cantilever brakes. Just as much stopping power with less messy cable and more compact...
@restorationdotbike
@restorationdotbike 2 жыл бұрын
Correct
@emilycs8823
@emilycs8823 7 ай бұрын
Good canti's properly setup with some nice long levers , and kool stop salmons in my experience are quiet, with good modulation and easier on the hands than V's. Run Canti's without toe, and they become even more powerful to the point you can easily lock wheels and skid while charging downhill but you will turn heads within a block from all the noise. V brakes are obviously far easier to setup properly. Both can work fine, but I prefer V brakes for ease of installing pads, and tuning. I sure enjoy riding my bike that has canti's though but I put some time into getting them setup perfectly.
@restorationdotbike
@restorationdotbike 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment. I recently found out that brake pads make all the difference.
@emilycs8823
@emilycs8823 7 ай бұрын
@@restorationdotbike Sanding the braking surface of the rim lightly and cleaning with isopropyl alchohol can also make a huge difference. I also resurface old brake pads with a file.
@tilleylepew5944
@tilleylepew5944 2 жыл бұрын
After switching a few, I find the v-brakes are much easier to change tires with. Flip the noodle arm and you're good to go.
@restorationdotbike
@restorationdotbike 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, I find it just as easy to remove the brake yoke, which can be done without a tool on one side, just as with v-brakes.
@nickdavis9280
@nickdavis9280 3 жыл бұрын
I have bikes with both of those type of brakes, and i much prefer the cantilever brakes for off road as they have more "feel", if you know what i mean. The V brakes are great on the road though. Great video!
@restorationdotbike
@restorationdotbike 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you that the cantilever setup provide you with much more feel.
@leonardolarocca1999
@leonardolarocca1999 2 жыл бұрын
@@restorationdotbike what is feel?
@zoltanszucs9346
@zoltanszucs9346 2 жыл бұрын
@@leonardolarocca1999 I think it means that by the force you pull the lever, you have an idea of how big of a brake effect you can expect. Think of the difference as hydraulic power steering vs the fully electric power steering.
@neilsaunders2520
@neilsaunders2520 2 жыл бұрын
Hi is best my tour
@timtaylor9590
@timtaylor9590 8 ай бұрын
tell the bike industry what can happen with sensitive powerful brakes
@Commander_ZiN
@Commander_ZiN 10 ай бұрын
You're the first person I've seen to state if both brakes can lock up the wheels then stopping power isn't an issue. I've seen so many reviews on V brakes and Disc brakes and I look at them thinking, I can lock up my wheels on my cantilevers why do I need more than that. I'm not even seeing them skidding. I dunno, brakes prior to cantilever sucked you couldn't do skids, but once I could skid as well as coaster brakes, isn't anything else just a gimmick? Edit: Oh seriously, always engage your rear brake primarily and feather down the front brake. If you do this right you'll never flip over the handle bars. Of course I did flip or almost flip until I worked this out. It takes a little practice to balance maximum performance for both.
@restorationdotbike
@restorationdotbike 10 ай бұрын
For these bikes and how they are used (road/gravel) it does not matter. For trail riding it does matter. If you're descending rough terrain and you're running cantilever brakes, you can't "feather" brakes. You can with a 4-piston, 1-finger enduro brake running a 200mm rotor.
@Commander_ZiN
@Commander_ZiN 10 ай бұрын
@@restorationdotbike thanks for that. Yeah it does seem easier on a down hill, 1 finger is hard to imagine. I haven't ridden for a while, I've not done crazy down hills at speed. I've gone down hills in the bush before and had plenty of brake control, however the speeds some others go down are pretty fast. I don't know when I'd reach the limits of my current brakes. One issue was using 4 fingers to brake did decrease my grip on the handle bars. However I'm not racing down hill so going a little slower is fine, I also don't think my skill level outstrips the abilities of the bike. However that's something to think about. I'm looking to upgrade to something more modern, maybe a hardtail. However I do like my old brakes and how easy they are to work with. I've watched a lot of videos on people debating these brakes, but solid arguments a few and far between, you have some very good arguments for and against. It's helped me a lot thanks.
@klausbrinck2137
@klausbrinck2137 2 жыл бұрын
Why saying you gonna compare brakes, and then comparing bikes? V-brakes are much better just by looking at them, and was hoping to find some calculations here, and not "my bike saddle is too high, so when using those v-brakes I fly over the steering bar"-kind-of-announcements...
@headphone307
@headphone307 2 жыл бұрын
That these two brakes offer similar performance is very difficult to believe. No tests were done at all to qualify this assertion. You mentioned "fact" a few times, and offered nothing but opinion. Dissatisfied with this video, no doubt.
@restorationdotbike
@restorationdotbike 2 жыл бұрын
I mention the ability for the brakes to lock up the wheel. In my mind, you can't brake harder than that. I've heard that especially for cantilever brakes their stopping power is worse than v-brakes. That's not my experience, but I'll think of actually showing it on video next time. Thanks for the suggestion.
@headphone307
@headphone307 2 жыл бұрын
@@restorationdotbike Watched this video afterwards and it seems to agree with you. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jaxpaKeGz66XiX0.html
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