[V2.0] THE NAILS IN CART'S COFFIN! The CART-Indycar Split Episode 3

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Aidan Millward

Aidan Millward

2 жыл бұрын

Texas. Lausitz. Greg Moore. Fontana.
The words that are usually uttered whenever 'how did CART go bankrupt?' is asked. When CART looked like it had the commercial and star power edge, a litany of errors, poor timing and bad luck allowed the IRL to finally get the foothold it needed, and the exodus of the likes of Penske and Ganassi to the IRL solidified the end of CART.
But what happened at that Texas event? Let's find out.
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@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
So I watched the Zanardi crash. Advert comes on pre video. “Have you had an accident at work that wasn’t your fault?” Jeeeeeeesus.
@matthewlawrenson3628
@matthewlawrenson3628 2 жыл бұрын
The algorithm works in mysterious, logical and somewhat insensitive ways, dude.
@tylerhmiel6417
@tylerhmiel6417 2 жыл бұрын
Did I stop Patreon? I get a bill but never see name anymore?
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Zanardi is still alive after being hit by a semi in a handcart race. Is his middle name Lazarus?
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
@@tylerhmiel6417 something went wrong with the graphic. It’s reverted to an old one.
@JustinAH
@JustinAH 2 жыл бұрын
That CART race at Texas is the only time I ever seen Michael Andretti scared. All he said was "I don't think this is a good idea" but he looked like he was at a funeral
@kailahmann1823
@kailahmann1823 2 жыл бұрын
Zanardi often jokes "I now have more German than Italian blood in my body"… Two years later, he was back to complete his missing 13 laps in a modified car - and how he did: His fastest lap would have placed him fifth on the grid.
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
That was such an emotional moment.
@marklittle8805
@marklittle8805 2 жыл бұрын
The death of CART was so painful. Tony George destroyed open wheeled racing with the split and how CART screwed it up with all the talent they had in their better cars was painful to watch
@mrwolsy3696
@mrwolsy3696 2 жыл бұрын
They had it all, a waste.
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
Takes two to tango
@bartsullivan4866
@bartsullivan4866 2 жыл бұрын
2 big egos that did nothing but really kill open wheel racing for the general public in the United States for 15years or so. NASCAR became the premier auto racing series in the U.S. benefitting the most from the split. CART really screwed themselves running the Michigan 500 on the same day as the INDY 500. It was a terrible race. You have to really blame both parties but Tony deserves much of the blame as well. It was kind of a tragedy that it lasted so long. Then in 2008 when things were patching back up and doing pretty well under new leadership Dan Weldon dies 3 years later in Vegas. INDY car couldn't really get a break. I do think they are doing much better now though. I would love to see a 20 race calendar with Phoenix back and maybe 2 more locations. The product and live coverage is wonderful easy to follow.
@simrigpc27b12
@simrigpc27b12 2 жыл бұрын
Never again will see a series with the speed, looks and noise of CART. It's just sad, it truly was fantastic in person.
@DW98rosy
@DW98rosy Жыл бұрын
the speed, looks, and noise of CART was indeed, sad, and it's quite frankly deserved to die in 2003 when they originally went bankrupt.
@stefanosnapshots463
@stefanosnapshots463 2 жыл бұрын
Cart cars of mid-late 90s were the best looking of the time and my favourite of all time
@mrterp04
@mrterp04 2 жыл бұрын
They were beauties. Sadly they were followed by IRL cars that were…not.
@DW98rosy
@DW98rosy Жыл бұрын
they were utterly f*cking hideous.
@DW98rosy
@DW98rosy Жыл бұрын
@@mrterp04 the IRL cars from 2000-2011 (especially the IR-05s from 2003-2011) were absolutely gorgeous, both looks and sounds. everything in CART from 1996-2006 was beyond horrid to look at and listen to.
@matthewlawrenson3628
@matthewlawrenson3628 2 жыл бұрын
CART was always destined to fail once the big sponsors finally noticed their names weren't at the Indy 500. In many ways, it would have been better had they given up after the 2003 bankruptcy. But the likes of Gerald Forsythe and Kevin Kalkhoven didn't want to let it go, they hated Tony George and the IRL THAT much. As it was, the Split dragged on for another few years, by which time American open wheel racing resembled two bald guys fighting over a comb.
@mrterp04
@mrterp04 2 жыл бұрын
Chris Economaki put it best in the 80s: (paraphrasing) “what the CART brass can’t or won’t understand is that their series exists for one AND ONLY ONE reason: the Indianapolis 500”
@chrisguardiano6143
@chrisguardiano6143 2 жыл бұрын
And NASCAR took full advantage, becoming the most popular motorsport in the US during that time thanks to drivers like Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart & Dale Earnhardt Jr. This peak in popularity lasted until about 2008 when NASCAR began to see declines in viewership & attendance. To make things worse, this was right around the time Brian France took over the series and basically ruined it with his poor leadership and introducing things such as the playoff system to decide the championship. It is only in the last few years that NASCAR has become a respectable & watchable series again but it is still third behind F1 & Indycar in terms of popularity in the US.
@ZontarDow
@ZontarDow 2 жыл бұрын
Except there's one problem with that theory, CART viewership and profits went up year on year as they had before the split until 1999, it was a few major mistakes, such as going publically traded, the race in Texas and the 2001 race in Australia. Had these mistakes not been made CART likely would have remained the more popular series until reunification, assuming reunification happened at all. Something people forget is that CART was profitable every year from 1979 to 2002, the IRL on the other hand didn't have a profitable year until 2014 and even Penske has lost a lot of money on the series due to the 2020 season having been a 100 million dollar loss for the series. Tony took American open wheel racing behind a shed because he didn't like the fact midget drivers couldn't make it and now look at it, a spec series that had all the problems he complained about but worst with all the old teams still around, less ovals then ever, less American drivers then ever, and Penske owns the track and series. His idea of the IRL was dead on arrival and we'll be lucky if the day the damage he did is ever undone.
@matthewlawrenson3628
@matthewlawrenson3628 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZontarDow The thing was that the IRL had two big advantages. (1) It had the Indianapolis 500, the only race anyone but the diehards watch and (2) It had Tony George, his massive cash reserve and his willingness to take even more massive losses until he got what he wanted. It shows the strength of CART at the time that it lasted as long as it did. As it was, a few mistakes (as can happen in any sport) and they were doomed. Of course, Tony's was a pyrric victory. He won, but his sisters on the family board asked him what he'd got for all the money he'd burned through. And IndyCar in 2009-10 wasn't at its highest ebb, to put it kindly. The three George sisters got their mother to relieve Tony of his racing duties.
@ZontarDow
@ZontarDow 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewlawrenson3628 if Tony knew how things would turn out, he'd have probably bought the American IndyCar Series as a middle ground between midget racing and CART.
@TheBigDawgSL
@TheBigDawgSL 2 жыл бұрын
Zanardi is a God. If that wreck didn't kill him bah gawd nothing will (yes I went Jim Ross on that)
@jamessimpson4577
@jamessimpson4577 2 жыл бұрын
That’s Michael Andretti’s music!
@jeremythurman5261
@jeremythurman5261 2 жыл бұрын
Documentary Rapid Response does a great job telling his story.
@bartsullivan4866
@bartsullivan4866 2 жыл бұрын
extremely talented driver no doubt about that.
@pedroneves4465
@pedroneves4465 2 жыл бұрын
Dude's just built different. He's now brushed off another life-threatening accident, after he was hit by a car while cycling in 2020 (he's yet to make an official statement by himself though, and it's not known if he'll be able to compete at another paraolympic game).
@raleighsexton7734
@raleighsexton7734 2 жыл бұрын
I was regional Executive of the Oklahoma Region of the Sports Car Club of America and I organized a charter bus trip to the Texas 600 for our members. Everyone was excited to see how fast the cars would be and we scurried into the track early to buy souvenirs. Adrian Fernandez came out to sign autographs at the Tecate beer tent. great looking Mexican babes were trying to smile and failing. Adrian looked like someone had just killed his dog. Iasked him to sign the 600 tee shirt I'd just purchased and he said "You might want to ask your money back on that one." they didn't cancel the race until just a couple of hours before the green flag time. Despite CART repaying Gossage for everything, none of us ever got our ticket money back, certainly not the bus charter fee. I still have the tee shirt but I've never returned to TMS because they got reimbursed but my 60 ticket buyers did not. Gossage has retired since then but old dogs have long memories and i refuse to give that track any more money. I look forward to the Indy double header this July in Iowa, though.
@bartsullivan4866
@bartsullivan4866 2 жыл бұрын
I have had similar experiences and you never forget it. I remember going to a few concerts like that day off, got your seat and ticket and then cancel with no refund. Yeah good way to piss off your fans so they never come back. I fee like it is up to the promoters and series to make it right. Have the race somewhere else nearby and honor the tickets from the fans who purchased them. Or add the race back on the calendar at the end of the season fix the issues and make it right. Maybe I am silly to think this way but I feel like it goes a long way to repairing the damage caused by a last minute cancelation.
@windturbine6796
@windturbine6796 2 жыл бұрын
Montoya lead 167 laps in 2000, it was Al Unser and Jim Clark that lead 190 laps in 1965 and 1970 respectively. Only bill Vukovich and Billy Arnold lead more in a winning drive. While looking that up, I also came across the fact that in 1912 Ralph de Palma lead 196 laps (98% of the race) but had engine problems at the end of the race and came in 11th. Another interesting thing is Montoya's dominance in 2000 is matched perfectly by the mere 9 laps he lead in his 2015 winning drive.
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
De Palma and his mechanic pushing the Mercedes down the front straight while Joe Dawson unlapped himself 6 or 7 times is the stuff of absolute racing lore. Dawson's record stood for 99 years as the least amount of laps lead by a winner until Dan Wheldon lead just the final lap in 2011.
@PaulMcElligott
@PaulMcElligott 2 жыл бұрын
The Hanford device was an aerodynamic device used in CART on superspeedways like Fontana and Michigan in the late 1990s to slow the cars down. It did that, but it also produced a massive slipstream that allowed trailing cars to easily slingshot the car ahead. This produced races at Michigan and Fontana with truly insane numbers of lead changes.
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 2 жыл бұрын
Even jaded Europeans that think oval racing is boring need to watch a Michigan 500 or a Fontana race Those speeds take your breath away just watching it on KZfaq. It's a shame the idiots at ASSCAR want to turn Fontana into a 1/2 Mile oval.
@Nitron2097
@Nitron2097 2 жыл бұрын
The Hanford Device was basically a vertical plate on the back of the rear wing. It pretty much was a metal parachute. It allowed for drafting and slinghot passing on ovals and is one reason why superspeedway pack racing in CART wasn't suicidal; the cars could pass each other, but the difference in performance between the different engines and the teams meant that the cars weren't in a massive four wide pack. Also, short oval CART racing from the 1990s is some of the best racing you'll ever see. Look up the 1992 race at New Hampshire; it's an FFFing classic.
@jamesbraun9842
@jamesbraun9842 2 жыл бұрын
Alex Zanardi was indestructible. He survived accident where he lost both of his legs. Still able to compete in the paralympics in cycling, and drove in sports cars in a car specifically fit with hand controls.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
He is Captain Scarlet.
@mickcompagnoni1114
@mickcompagnoni1114 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Texas thing was very worrying. Initially 1 driver mentioned feeling off colour & when it was mentioned at a driver's briefing, slowly most drivers raised their hand. In the end, I don't think Tony George was the winner. History has shown it's The Captain. . . Roger Penske.
@andrewcarter9649
@andrewcarter9649 2 жыл бұрын
No, it was NASCAR.
@mickcompagnoni1114
@mickcompagnoni1114 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewcarter9649 Ok, sorry dude. It's 4 a.m. & I'm trying to remember stuff I read over 20 years ago.
@senorsoupe
@senorsoupe 2 жыл бұрын
One thing missed was that Honda and Toyota's defection to the IRL was largely in part to the ineptitude of CART management. Basically CART announced that they were going to Normally Aspirated engines without properly consulting their suppliers. At the time there was fear that none of the 3 remaining engine suppliers (Honda, Toyota, and Ford-Cosworth) would remain. During the Laguna Seca TV broadcast in 2001, the head of Honda North America's racing engine program absolutely ripped into CART management, basically accusing them of lying and dishonestly, declaring that Honda had no interest in working with them even further.
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
Turbogate first
@kbroadway4305
@kbroadway4305 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've been so excited for this chapter to finally drop. I was literally pulling into the Texas Motor Speedway parking lot when I found out the Firehawk 600 was cancelled. It was a bad look to not do enough testing then cancel so close to the show. Crazy times. Keep up the great work!
@jackchallis9456
@jackchallis9456 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for uploading. Alex Zanardi is a hero of mine, coming back from that accident with such an amazing positivity and drive, what a human being 💙💙 Such a shame what happened more recently, but STILL he survived
@markokozic
@markokozic 2 жыл бұрын
This is craziest collection of numbers I ever heard in motorsport.
@aydankhaliq2967
@aydankhaliq2967 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Roberto Moreno one of those drivers in the TMS test?
@mets137781
@mets137781 2 жыл бұрын
That's true, this is where we get to finest days of Moreno's Career, come on Aidan get on that lol.
@timford3599
@timford3599 2 жыл бұрын
JPM's 2000 Indy 500 victory was the most dominant victory that I had ever seen in "The Greatest Spectacle in Racing" since The Great Jimmy Clark decimated the field with his Colin Chapman Lotus DOHC Powered Ford in the 1965 event thus changing the face of American Open Wheel racing forever!
@robertmusgrave9236
@robertmusgrave9236 2 жыл бұрын
I love how I read Leo Muhl was bragging that whole May that the IRL stars were going to dominate the Target team that day but the one CART team kicked their asses with the IRL G force chassis.
@laborliberal
@laborliberal 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the mini series on CART/Indy split. One of my favourite videos you did was the one on CART and the texas motor speedway. Great to see it back in some form. Keep up the great work.
@danielcgomez
@danielcgomez 2 жыл бұрын
This series was brilliant Aidan ...I was never really able to wrap my head around the confusion of this era, but your series helped a ton! Thanks!
@GregBrownsWorldORacing
@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын
@Daniel, there's another great 4 part series (and a playlist) by a youtuber called nascarman History. It's called The IndyCar Split and I recommend it. It will strengthen your knowledge without all the rassling references :)
@timzy4395
@timzy4395 Ай бұрын
Also in Maricio case, he blacked out BEFORE he crashed at turn 2. If u hear the clip, his throttle was wide open even as he was sliding from turn 2 to turn3 before his 2nd hit at 113G.
@StuntpilootStef
@StuntpilootStef 2 жыл бұрын
Hearing you talk about wrestling is like hearing somebody talk about cricket. I have no idea and I don't want to know.
@tsmitty777
@tsmitty777 2 жыл бұрын
The only thing I think worth mentioning in hindsight is that Honda and Toyota didn’t simply leave CART to go to the IRL; but rather angrily stormed out of the series due to pop off valve mandates that were only implemented after less than a weeks worth of testing and availability. The hubris or incompetence of CART contributing to its downfall in other ways.
@MouseEvil
@MouseEvil 5 ай бұрын
I used to watch Minardi in ChampCar after they sold their F1 team and did an American tour with Robert Doornbos. I think there were street tracks only lol. It was mental
@Speedworx
@Speedworx 2 жыл бұрын
The whole split was George bringing up issues from the 50s and 60s. IMS and USAC had their war and IMS and CART had their war, both over the same kind of issues. The only reason a split didn't happen sooner was IMS needed CART and CART needed IMS. George just kinda said "F that". This is a great series.
@robertmusgrave9236
@robertmusgrave9236 2 жыл бұрын
He also formed the IRL when NASCAR signed the contract to race at IMS in 1994. This proves that NASCAR was backing the IRL until the 2008 tire snafau. After that the Brickyard 400 is a one off race anymore. Pretty amazing was he not worried about destroying most of Open wheel racing but was cartering for NASCAR while trying to act like the boss of AOWR. The 25/8 rule is still having impact in some ways in Indycar today. However I’m glad that Indycar realized it was a major mistake.
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
You have to realize USAC *was* IMS. When AAA decided to stop sanctioning auto racing after the 1955 Le Mans tragedy, Tony Hulman, owner of IMS created USAC to sanction his race. The original split began in 1979 when some team owners (CART) decided to break away from USAC. The 1996 split was reactionary to the first.
@robertmusgrave9236
@robertmusgrave9236 2 жыл бұрын
@@The52car so after Tony Hulman died the rest of the family got ownership of USAC ?
@Speedworx
@Speedworx 2 жыл бұрын
@@The52car Wrong. IMS was the track and the 500. USAC was the body who organised the championship. I have read the book that recently came out, I know what I am talking about. Maybe you should try reading it too before saying stuff
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
@@Speedworx I believe you're talking about "The Split" by John Oreovicz. Yes, USAC was the sanctioning body, but who started the sanctioning body?
@HumbertoSaabedra
@HumbertoSaabedra 2 жыл бұрын
The entire conceit for Texas Motor Speedway being built was to be able to accommodate both NASCAR and IRL/CART in the same venue, using different layouts. When the venue was being designed, it was originally designed with a dual banking layout. If you watch the 1997 True Value 500 IRL race, there were two layouts, a track with 8 degree banking intended for the IRL/CART that was otherwise used as the track apron and the original 24 degree banking for NASCAR. By the time the CART race was scheduled and eventually abandoned in 2001, the track had been reconfigured twice to remove that secondary layout. When the IRL ran their first race at Texas, they didn't close off the 24 degree banking and discovered that the cars ran faster on the NASCAR banking, which is why Texas was considered the ideal venue for the IRL for well over a decade. When CART held a track inspection at Texas Motor Speedway in 1998 to gauge whether a race would be feasible, the Chief Steward at the time, Wally Dallenbach, Sr. declared that it was not a suitable venue for CART, owing to the secondary track with 8 degree banking not being wide or long enough to accommodate 28 cars at speed, and the 24 degree banking would be too fast for the drivers and cars. CART initially accepted his findings until the series decided to run a single car test in the year 2000 with bad data suggesting that the cars would be fine on the 24 degree banking, not realizing that the cold weather experienced during the test actually slowed the car down because of the heavier, denser air contributing more downforce and drag than the warmer thinner air of the April weekend. I was at the venue the weekend the race was abandoned as a team guest, and that's been the only time I've ever seen drivers look scared. The sounds the cars made during practice were like banshees wailing off the walls. Imagine an F1 V10 engine at full song coming off of Turn 4 and that's what the cars sounded like before they abruptly pulled into the pits.
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
I've always been intrigued by the Texas dual banking idea. Like how would they have kept the open wheel cars off the high banks? A temporary street-course type wall? It would have been fascinating to see. It sucks that all the youtube footage of TMS in 1997 is too low quality to see.
@grungyflannel
@grungyflannel 2 жыл бұрын
U said Galles right the first time....its GAL-ess. That family used to own every car dealership in new mexico *and Eddie Gossage was the president of TMS, not the owner...Bruton Smith was owner.
@stuartsmellie4966
@stuartsmellie4966 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering why it said private video at first, thanks for the re-upload....I really like your videos Aidan. Also following on Twitter.
@brendan7632
@brendan7632 2 жыл бұрын
Very much approve of the thumbnail. Red gloves rule
@wibblewabblewoo6249
@wibblewabblewoo6249 2 жыл бұрын
Unrelated but sort of related… I’m a typical F1 fan, knew v little about Cart / Indycar beyond my knowledge of Mansell / Villeneuve / Montoya - then SkyF1 started showing Indycar a couple of years ago. Fallen in love with it now! What with AMS2 DLC too, I’m addicted to finding out more - thanks for the fascinating insight!
@y_fam_goeglyd
@y_fam_goeglyd 2 жыл бұрын
You've reached the point at which I started to be able to watch CART/Champcar (it was when I got the first analogue Sky box which came with Eurosport), and these stories are becoming more and more familiar to me. This is a good thing, btw. I loved Champcar and was gutted when it finally died - partially because I couldn't get to see it.
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 2 жыл бұрын
The races are on KZfaq and there's playlists made by myself and others of seasons. They're still excellent and with watching today.
@y_fam_goeglyd
@y_fam_goeglyd 6 ай бұрын
​@@danielhenderson8316 Thank you!
@chrispraz877
@chrispraz877 Жыл бұрын
Amazing job as usual Aidan. As a American, you make me feel ignorant, as you know so much more about this Era than myself...I always look forward to story time, and your irreverent take on things....thank you. 🇬🇧🏁🇺🇸
@TheRealHoltzy
@TheRealHoltzy 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! You're getting alot more comfortable infront of the camera and it shows :)
@nvstewart
@nvstewart 2 жыл бұрын
The title 'The nails in cart's coffin' (under a thumbnail of Greg Moore) Nice, very nice. (spoken in a sarcastic fashion.)
@swj719
@swj719 2 жыл бұрын
A seamless audio edit! 😂😂😂
@dansmith6909
@dansmith6909 2 жыл бұрын
nice ninja edit there Aidan me auld. Top work as usual though, and yes, Alex Zanardi is an absolute hero on the level of Lauda
@johngreskamp4739
@johngreskamp4739 2 жыл бұрын
Alex is alive because Steve Olvey MD was at the track....i mean on the track! The emergency responders are the best....bar none! My combat medic experience gives me some insight in trauma situations, and both CART, Indy racing league , and now Indycar have THE best responders in the business! Perhaps a story about their expertise?!
@jacekatalakis8316
@jacekatalakis8316 2 жыл бұрын
How do the NHRA's saffety crew stack up vs CART/Indycar? Olvey's book (I think it was his one anyhow) is a fascinating, if at times, gruesome read really
@bartleymollohan1090
@bartleymollohan1090 2 жыл бұрын
Well, for me, CART started it’s slippery slide to crap show status on a bright sunny Sunday in Michigan when the “Stars and Cars” provided us fine folks in turn four with a shower of carbon fiber when they balled up the pace lap at the US 500.
@DJDouglasWarden
@DJDouglasWarden 2 жыл бұрын
excellent episode thank you man
@jameskastner1425
@jameskastner1425 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos
@vincentemond5620
@vincentemond5620 2 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the massive failure that was the CART movie, Driven.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Cos we don’t talk about that
@cylonred8902
@cylonred8902 2 жыл бұрын
It had Stallone - it was always going to be bad...
@ivaneurope
@ivaneurope 2 жыл бұрын
Did you know that Sly's original idea for Driven was to be based on the Formula One Championship. Then Bernie told him "no bueno" and Sly had to make do with a movie that depicted the series as "World Championship", but in reality was CART all the way with ridicilous GCI effects sprinkled (because muh special effects). But hey, the Muricans have the habbit of calling the major league champions "World Champions", so why not make the CART champion "World Champion" as well.
@404TVfr
@404TVfr 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward well, maybe you should.
@michaelhartmann8460
@michaelhartmann8460 2 жыл бұрын
@@cylonred8902 It also had Til Schweiger… no one here in Germany knows, why he still is as famous as he is.
@Javadamutt
@Javadamutt 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video on Zanardi. I never thought much of him in F1 tho I was young and Williams were over the place when he raced for them. Looking back he seemed a pretty solid driver but I still can`t fully work out the context of his performance. I followed the CART results because he was in it and even his paralympic career after. The man is a complete legend. It`s a shame what happened to him. I still check every now and again to see if there have been any updates
@cylonred8902
@cylonred8902 2 жыл бұрын
I REALLY miss the CART days...
@Gnrnrvids
@Gnrnrvids 2 жыл бұрын
Great story there Aidan.
@FormulaFox
@FormulaFox 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the Zanardi crash: Aidan REALLY isn't kidding about seeing pieces of Zanardi's legs in those photos. There is one photo is particular, taken while the cars were still together during the impact, in extremely high quality where it is VERY CLEAR that some of those red bits are chunks of human body, not car body. We're not talking tiny bits, some of the chunks are VERY big. Zanardi actually included this photo in his autobiography. No, I will not link to the photo, as only the most morbidly curious people should ever be looking at that. It's on par with Jansen Van Vuuren for horrifying sights, but Van Vuuren at least had the dignity of having his death caught on a very shitty camera so you can't truly see the full force of the nastiness.
@FormulaFox
@FormulaFox 2 жыл бұрын
@David Lim As much as CART gets criticized for racing that weekend, I think they did the right thing. But importantly, so did the US sports that didn't play. I think it is better to give a middle finger to the assholes that perpetrated the attack than to cancel everything over it, but in the USA the matter caused huge logistical headaches that were better not to try and work around. CART, meanwhile, was in the perfect spot to give that middle finger AND show the world how much other countries were supporting us - the fans in the stands that weekend had a lot of America-supporting banners flying because of 9/11, and if it wasn't for Zanardi's crash the choice would probably be held in much higher regard in hindsight.
@Mike_Connor
@Mike_Connor 2 жыл бұрын
@@FormulaFox I don't think CART had much choice. All the kit was in Germany and the crews didn't know when they would be able to get back to the US
@FormulaFox
@FormulaFox 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mike_Connor They did have a choice; There was no reason they couldn't have just canceled and moved on to the Rockingham, UK round.
@Mike_Connor
@Mike_Connor 2 жыл бұрын
@@FormulaFox True, but look at it this way. If they'd cancelled it, the crews would have been kicking around Germany or the UK for a week, not knowing when they were going to be able to see their families again. Holding the race gave them something to focus on and to show the world they weren't going to give in to terrorists. I think the atmosphere was different in the US - most people wouldn't have wanted to go to a crowded venue so soon after 9/11, which would explain why most sport was cancelled at the time.
@FormulaFox
@FormulaFox 2 жыл бұрын
@Mike Connor But they still had the option to do it. There was no potential logistical interference to cause a problem with it. No matter how you skice it, CART had two genuine hassle-free options. CART CHOSE to race, and IMO it was the correct choice.
@terryglover3215
@terryglover3215 2 жыл бұрын
You deserve more subscribers than you have (I'm a subscriber BTW).
@mets137781
@mets137781 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the episode. One thing I will mention is that losing Little Al to IRL was not as big a deal at the time. Al was past it as driver, having not won won since 95 mostly due his alcoholism really starting to effect his racing. I remember watching right as he jumped to IRL (being more of a F1 fan) and being stunned as how terrible he looked. Really sad. It wasn't a big defection at all as it was really a point of comparison that he could hop to IRL and be a winner again in showing the lack of quality issues IRL had at the time. I definitely remember around my house there being a bit of snobbishness too about Champ Car/CART vs IRL as it seemed as though Champ Car was "real racing" and IRL was Nascar Light. Champ Car raced everything and had the better drivers while IRL was all ovals. Some of the darker rumors I heard was that this Tony George was ginned up to this by Brian France and Bernie to splinter off. The rationale France wanted to make Nascar the top US racing and that Bernie was smarting over losing Mansell to Indycar. In addition the split got Access to Indy for NASCAR and F1. I don't think thkl
@matthewlawrenson3628
@matthewlawrenson3628 2 жыл бұрын
Indycar racing, and most importantly the Indy 500, was the one thing that held Al Jr's life together. His substance use problems seem to be a symptom rather than a cause of his problems. You can see a decline in his career and life after 1995 when he could no longer race at Indy. Culminating in 2000 with Robin Miller's famous article revealing unsavoury details about Al Jr's private life. Little Al was livid when he read it, and was determined to get Miller in court. Sadly, he realised he had no grounds to sue Miller as everything in the article was true...
@mets137781
@mets137781 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewlawrenson3628 Thanks I knew there was something that like that came out I just couldn't remember. It makes sense though. It depressing how much of a lost decade + this turned out to be for American Open Wheel racing especially considering the result.
@robertmusgrave9236
@robertmusgrave9236 2 жыл бұрын
@@mets137781 I know but somehow thinking midget drivers were more deserving than other kinds of drivers was horrible politics and a horrible business model. People forget than IMS was an independent racing organization that had the biggest race and Tony George used that to his advantage from his father Tony Hulman and probably to get back for the USAC CART split in 1979 that George had no power in at the time due to being only in college but certainly used during his time running IMS. Glad the Hulman George family got out of the racing business.
@dallywoop6361
@dallywoop6361 2 жыл бұрын
Not just with cart, but Looking back now that I’m a bit older it seems like it was just luck that so many drivers survived back in the day. We talk about 100g+ at least once a video which theoretically every single one of these crashes should have killed the drivers.
@simonolsen9995
@simonolsen9995 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Aidan. As an Aussie feeling his way into Indycar League racing in the new RF2 official Indycar with a bunch of savvy Americans, this vid is a really useful history lesson for me. Btw - really put out that rf2 had no Will Power livery for the Indycar. Anyone know why not?
@ianwynne764
@ianwynne764 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Aidan: Thank you for that warning about that crash video. I will give it a miss. Good job on this series. Well done. Stay well and safe.
@GoldenDragoon
@GoldenDragoon 2 жыл бұрын
Having seen the images and video a number of years ago, it really is horrific, you have made the right choice.
@ianwynne764
@ianwynne764 2 жыл бұрын
@@GoldenDragoon Thank you. Stay well and safe.
@minibus9
@minibus9 2 жыл бұрын
nice video
@polycube868
@polycube868 2 жыл бұрын
Aidan, the complete stinker "Driven" a movie about a CART driver came out in the cinemas here in the states the same weekend of that cancelled Texas race.
@michaelhartmann8460
@michaelhartmann8460 2 жыл бұрын
Good god, don‘t remind me on THAT…
@Gordanovich02
@Gordanovich02 2 жыл бұрын
It never previously occurred to me that the movie was released on that weekend. There was never a good time to release it, but that was the worst possible time.
@jacekatalakis8316
@jacekatalakis8316 2 жыл бұрын
Oh god, Driven. It gave Parker Johnstone plenty of zinger material and Paul Page has a fantastic insight/roast of that movie in his Dinner with Racers podcast...he didn't like it much. The SAG didn't like him working on it. It was a godawful flop and remember, Sly wanted to be an F1 film initially... That being said. Parker did, apparently, go to the premiere with the ESPN/ABC crew though and got a poster for it. The 2001 season is worth going through just for Parker's quips. he and Paul were downright lethal in some cases. The disappointed 'Well...Paul' in Toronto jumps to mind with Takagi. yes. THAT Takagi...the only guy in CART history IIRC, to get an infinite stop and go penalty...instead of parking him, they just slapped him with an indefinite stop/go penalty. Ouch...
@GregBrownsWorldORacing
@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын
I guess they set the boost/popoff valve to Ludicrous Speed down there in the Lonestar state.
@cmderinchief
@cmderinchief 2 жыл бұрын
HA! There are very few who are Wrestling and IndyCar fans. Welcome to my wheelhouse! The comparisons to the Monday Night Wars is 100% appropriate.
@de-fault_de-fault
@de-fault_de-fault 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to part 4, in which Tony George "wins" by ending up with a series that includes lots of right turns, "foreign" drivers, larger budgets for teams than he'd like, etc.-more or less the opposite of his "vision" for the IRL, or in other words CART circa 1994, except he's scared off all the fans and sponsors and it will take another 20 years from the time of CART's initial bankruptcy for "his" series to claw its way back to relevance...by which point Roger Penske is running it, which is pretty much what Tony and his family were mad about in the first place way back in 1979.
@HK_Productions47
@HK_Productions47 2 жыл бұрын
Ironically, it was everything that CART stood for and the one of the men that ran it that won after all, it was just a pyrrhic victory.
@de-fault_de-fault
@de-fault_de-fault 2 жыл бұрын
@@HK_Productions47 exactly. What a waste.
@robertmusgrave9236
@robertmusgrave9236 2 жыл бұрын
Then sold their profile to Penske after Mari Hulman George died. So in the end was it her idea and gave him all that money. NASCAR also gave them money and somehow kept them just operating as a organization while not making any kind of money outside of INDY.
@Colin_Pole
@Colin_Pole 2 жыл бұрын
You need to do a storytime about Alex Zanardi, What a story that will be.
@GeeShocker
@GeeShocker 2 жыл бұрын
The cruel thing about the fatal or almost fatal crashes were mainly caused by faulty safety planning on the tracks. LagunaSeca the dipping runoff at the corkscrew. Fontana Greg was killed because the car spun into the infield and got launched into the air by a rescue lane which sent him top down into the inside wall. At Lausitzring there were no barriers between the slow pit exit and the track. Alex Zanardi the guy who survived Spa in F1 and the Lausitzring. 🏅🏅
@wrongcheese
@wrongcheese 2 жыл бұрын
CART without indy, and IRL as the inferior series but with indy, was guaranteed to end badly for both series
@zsac18
@zsac18 2 жыл бұрын
Btw, the "he who shall not be named" Aidan was referring to was actually [NAME REDACTED].
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Krispin Wah.
@Kezmanisgod9
@Kezmanisgod9 2 жыл бұрын
Ah I spent a good 10 minutes trying to rack my brain to figure out who you guys were talking about.
@scsmith4604
@scsmith4604 4 ай бұрын
I loved CART, I liked IRL but wished there was only 1 series. I may be a bit off but I think it would have been an 85% / 15% split CART/IRL drivers in the one series. There were some good drivers in IRL but for the most part the CART drivers were a class above in my opinion.
@Jubes83
@Jubes83 2 жыл бұрын
The first version was fine. I watched it. The few missing photos didn't detract from it at all. IMO.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but people love to have a whine.
@Jubes83
@Jubes83 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward yeah they do...
@TheGolfingCrowe
@TheGolfingCrowe 2 жыл бұрын
bit of a plug perhaps, but I'm curious, have you listened to the 83 Weeks podcast Aidan? With Bischoff, gives some great insight throughout each episode, it's so fascinating
@robertthassy461
@robertthassy461 Жыл бұрын
Hamilton in a Zanardi type of accident!
@mattpotter8725
@mattpotter8725 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoying this series of videos. I'd love to have another video though going over what has become of IndyCar, because I watched CART, loved it (more than F1 at the time, and it was more about racing than speed), but didn't see or know about its decline or what happened next when there was no split. The fact that I've never gone back, apart from watching a few Indy 500s suggest it's just not been that great ever since. Maybe I'm wrong, can someone correct me if I am. Otherwise I'll await the next video in this series (you didn't say this was the last one so I assume it's not finished)!!!
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 2 жыл бұрын
In 2008, IndyCar started becoming more than just an oval pack racing nightmare as more road courses and the ChampCar teams moved over. 2010 and 2011 was an excellent fight between Dario Franchitti and Will Power. But IndyCar racing didn't really get back on track until 2012 with the DW12 chassis and Honda vs Chevy engine war. Since then, the racing has been as good as it ever has been, but you don't have the unrestricted spending and multiple chassis anymore.
@mattpotter8725
@mattpotter8725 2 жыл бұрын
@@danielhenderson8316 Thanks for this. I thinki always liked CART because it wasn't so oval based, I don't mind watching some oval races but don't want the majority of races as these, coming from an F1 background. CART seemed to a fairly good balance as far I could tell. I think once CART started having problems, eventually folding I felt it was much more about ovals, and F1 was getting back on track in terms of racing.
@theRealBrandonRoberts1990
@theRealBrandonRoberts1990 2 жыл бұрын
@AidenMilward you are comparing CART losing to IRL to WCW losing to WWE? Nice comparison 👏 👍 👌
@homeperson11244
@homeperson11244 2 жыл бұрын
7:07 If i remember CART back then was using ground effect. If we see in formula 1 drivers were suffered from "Porpoising effect" because the violent bouncing of the car during the straight. This might be the case with the Texas 600 event, and it made worst by the speed hit almost 400km/h on average meaning drivers were basically a ping pong ball on the seat with that Porpoising. No wonder some drivers suffered dizziness
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
No, it was the vertical g-loads from the banked corners.
@TheTotallyRealXiJinping
@TheTotallyRealXiJinping 2 жыл бұрын
Zanardi is unbreakable. The will of a God.
@nigelbagguley7606
@nigelbagguley7606 Жыл бұрын
Is it just me but it sounds like the drivers were approaching what the Air Force calls GLOC(gravity induced loss of consciousness.)
@gooddypm
@gooddypm 2 жыл бұрын
What happened to the first one? It went to private right at the end.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
I must have hit one of the hot keys and it muted one of the image channels so it's got me blatantly reading the script in a couple of places.
@paulmcmullen3267
@paulmcmullen3267 2 жыл бұрын
I have a request video for you. Seen as you like to cover all motorsport and you like to discuss the controversies, I have one for you what is perhaps the most controversial moment in the history of motorsport. The death of Kevin Ward Jr, and how culpable was Tony Stewart in it.
@StreetLugeNetwork
@StreetLugeNetwork 2 жыл бұрын
everyone who whats to know how the Texas cancellation went down and how Zanardi was saved should watch the Rapid Response Documentary on Amazon. its extremely well done and well worth your time if your a Motorsport fan
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
10/10
@FormulaFox
@FormulaFox 2 жыл бұрын
Spoilers for part 4(or 5, depending on how Aidan chooses to focus episode 4): Tony George lost even after he won. I don't even think it's fair to call what Tony achieved a Pyrrhic victory.
@mrterp04
@mrterp04 2 жыл бұрын
He went from holding a nice slice of a seven layer cake to completely owning a few crumbs
@corbinselanne7990
@corbinselanne7990 2 жыл бұрын
WCW announcer Tony Whatsitchipster: Mankind defeated The Rock for the WWE Championship Half a million viewers: Between Mankind's win and the Fingerpoke of Doom, WWE goes on a hot streak they don't let up until WCW outright collapses in 2001 Numerous former WCW fans attending subsequent WWE shows: Mick Foley (aka Mankind) put my butt in this seat
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
ThATlL PuT BuMS oN sEATS! Ooops!
@BrentonStirm
@BrentonStirm 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting little tidbit starting at the 14:30 mark of this David Land video (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rtV9gdiDv8iwqqM.html), Colton Herta said that some drivers were blacking out coming out of 1 and 2, and then waking up in time to take 3 and 4
@raleighsexton7734
@raleighsexton7734 2 жыл бұрын
I heard that at the time as well. Was there on the Friday for practice and Christiano da Matta passed out in turn 2 on the 8th lap of a stint. he hit the wall in turn two, slid all the way down the back straight and hit the turn 3 wall. We walked up and saw the mechanics putting a small number of parts into a cardboard box. assuming these were damaged in the crash and were being discarded, we asked if we could have one or two for souvenirs. The mechanic looked me squarely in the eye and said "This is all we could salvage to keep. Want a souvenir, look in the dumpsters at the end of the garage!" The car was a total write off and he wasn't going to be cleared to race. I knew then that race was in trouble.
@jeffreyhutchins6527
@jeffreyhutchins6527 2 жыл бұрын
Oh just give em pressure suits like fighter pilots and let em hit 250 like a boss. Sarcasm for those not familiar with Poe's law.
@prof_kaos9341
@prof_kaos9341 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I had read F1 chooses to limit the cars to ~200mph. The G-force issues support this figure (even without oval tracks). I wondered how the top qualifying speeds of ~236mph seen at the Indy 500 fit? Slower race pace, G-force suits, track design? Anybody know?
@RACECAR
@RACECAR 2 жыл бұрын
I get the very strong feeling Ganassi's departure to the IRL was highly decided by Target. In their minds: "Why advertise our brand at some generic no-name race when we could instead have it seen by Billions at not just any event but THE event?" Just look at the hype the 500 Generates nowadays just with sponsors (Especially the ones that jump on purely for the event). I'm just dumb struck though at the number of things that just piled on and really drove CART into the ground, with the TMS test just really hammering in one red flag after another.
@ZontarDow
@ZontarDow 2 жыл бұрын
The real issue was that Target only operated in the US and Marlboro wasn't allowed to sponsor Penske in both CART and the IRL. Between that and the mishandling of Texas and Australia, CART went from being the clear winner to defeated in 2 years flat.
@blacktoothfox677
@blacktoothfox677 2 жыл бұрын
So; its just Gowron & Duras all over again... (except with less plausible names)
@The_Hitchhiker_42
@The_Hitchhiker_42 2 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to figure out who he is... "Who shall not be named" regarding the WCW / WWF(E) reference. Can anyone enlighten me? I can't remember who else left since I always watched the WWF since the 80s. Lol
@zoelotero
@zoelotero 2 жыл бұрын
Chris Benoit. I don't think I have to explain why
@The_Hitchhiker_42
@The_Hitchhiker_42 2 жыл бұрын
@@zoelotero No you don't. Completely forgot about him.
@sh-spectrum409
@sh-spectrum409 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Aidan, have you sunk your teeth into Gran Turismo 7 at all? I ask because from all the gameplay vids I’ve watched it looks pretty whopper! 🍔
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t have a PS4 or PS5 and even then Gran Turismo isn’t something I was ever interested in.
@sh-spectrum409
@sh-spectrum409 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward Aw that's a shame. Maybe wait about 4 years for it to come out on PC and then give it a try? 😁
@T_Mo271
@T_Mo271 2 жыл бұрын
I don't quite understand (or appreciate) the references that equate Monday night wresting and North American open-wheel racing.
@seancassidy795
@seancassidy795 2 жыл бұрын
24k left
@Holanduzo
@Holanduzo 2 жыл бұрын
Shame, I always liked Carts, and I had quite a hate for Indys... they were like de Aliexpress version of Carts.
@JamesMinchew
@JamesMinchew 2 жыл бұрын
Has CBeebies approached you to read the Bedtime Story yet?
@polycube868
@polycube868 2 жыл бұрын
I think Tony George had good ideas of a series with American drivers racing on ovals but it never should have come at the cost of losing the international superstar drivers and the prestige of races like Long Beach, his innovations in safety with SAFER barriers was a good thing, Cart should have instead went with somewhat lower cost cars, they added more ovals anyway so that wasn't the problem.
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
Oddly enough, TG initially intended for both series to coexist. But then egos got in the way.
@ElsinoreRacer
@ElsinoreRacer 2 жыл бұрын
"Indy will always be Indy." Indy is NOTHING like Indy was. Indy is not Indy. Until the mid-1990's, the Indy winner was a national celebrity, went on all the TV shows. People talked about it at work people who didn't even know that was any other motor racing. None of that is true anymore. No one cares. It's sad.
@robertmusgrave9236
@robertmusgrave9236 2 жыл бұрын
Jim McKay and ABC wide world of sports used to cover it huge back in the day and it was a big thing to watch on the night after it was completed before it went to live coverage in 1986.
@doctoronishispsychosislab1474
@doctoronishispsychosislab1474 2 жыл бұрын
why didnt they just make a figure 8 track :) lol
@caincha
@caincha 2 жыл бұрын
Tittle + thumbnail = ouch 😅
@Margarinetaylorgrease
@Margarinetaylorgrease 2 жыл бұрын
Who shall not be named?
@DR3ADER1
@DR3ADER1 2 жыл бұрын
Chris Benoit.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Chris Benoit. After he killed his wife, kid and himself, the WWE ran the hell away from him and erased him from tv completely.
@DR3ADER1
@DR3ADER1 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward And, of course, like many individuals, companies and entities, they (The WWE) didn't count on the most basic pair of internet rules: The internet never forgets and the internet never forgives.
@Margarinetaylorgrease
@Margarinetaylorgrease 2 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@tba3395
@tba3395 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward Since you seem to have some knowledge about Wrestling. maybe you also know Nick Gage a Professionell Deathmatch Wrestler who once lost so much blood after a Lighttube cut open his Armpit during a Wrestling Deathmatch at the Tournament of Death that he was clinical Dead for 7 Minutes.
@gatorred157
@gatorred157 2 жыл бұрын
well i wish you look at Indy car and Us based racing cars to the new F1 car i seen or remember a car like that in my back ground in my foggy mind, it like peter Northrop a plane designer he designed the flying wing it crashed and was a disaster his company still went on he in a wheel chair they roll him into to a hanger and the worker puts in his lap a model cover with a towel remove it please he picks up the model of the b2 bomber, it nice he said where is it they turn him around here it is in real life his flying wing reborn! i worked for the company Northrop Grumman making mail trucks see dreams do come true! that what was shown at break in the company!
@homeperson11244
@homeperson11244 2 жыл бұрын
12:23 I should also pointed out the reasoning behind both Toyota and Honda switch to IRL. There's this controversy about the Pop-off valve during mid season. At that time, manufactures/teams find out a loophole that if they could made the pressure around the valve to be lower, the sensor may read that there's was a low pressure which would going to release the valve and in turn allowed more air to be feed into the turbochargers. (At least that was my understanding, i'm sorry if it was wrong). CART gave three manufacturers (Ford, Honda, and Toyota) a new spec pop-off valve which added another valve therefore blocking the sensors to it. The controversy was not on the pop-off valve, it was on how it would be implemented and how the government body reacted to it. A couple of days before the belle isle race, CART conducted a rookie test. It also allows Toyota to test the new spec pop-off valve. It looks just fine in anyway teams allowed to test their parts etc, but what happened afterwards is that before the practice session belle isle begin, CART decide to mandated the valve to be use on all teams. This pisses off Honda and Ford because they're not testing the new parts yet on how it would affect the car overall. At that time, pop-off valve wasn't mandated so manufacturers and teams could decide whether they wanted to use it or not. Honda demands to CART to reverse the decision, but CART is like ghosting to that controversy. Honda boycott the first practice session at the Belle Isle. Toyota also questioning about the allowance to use it in which they're the one who got most of the data but CART also ghosting about it too. This made Honda and Toyota pissed off withdrew from the championship from 2003 onwards.
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Turbogate 2001. It was Honda who had discovered an advantage, got it all approved as good and legal. And then Toyota pressured CART to make it illegal.
@homeperson11244
@homeperson11244 2 жыл бұрын
@@The52car In a nutshell it was a Power Struggle within the government body.
@senna3
@senna3 2 жыл бұрын
Spell out the word LEO. That is how to correctly pronounce Helio.
@nordimejia5790
@nordimejia5790 2 жыл бұрын
It was better when you were just the voice over.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, well, I can’t do that anymore.
@06racing
@06racing 2 жыл бұрын
Texas is a wonderful track. Better test of driver than Indy. Indy tests strategy.
@cosmostrek2001
@cosmostrek2001 2 жыл бұрын
cart champ car what every want to call it. that was the best series. i never watched the idiot racing league. never watched indy 500 when cart was gone. as far as i am concerned the indy 500 stopped when cart was not their. never watched any of them.i do not count them as indy 500 winners. the whole irl was like aa or aaa baseball, the cars were terrible.
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 2 жыл бұрын
1996-1999 was very much the IRL 500, but things got more legitimate in 2000 as CART teams came back.
@The52car
@The52car 2 жыл бұрын
Grammar that matches the opinion.
@06racing
@06racing 2 жыл бұрын
I have watched both series between 96 and 98 on KZfaq IRL was better... Except The Milwaukee Mile 96 Miller 200. The 96 seasons cart was better except the ludicrous Disney world opener. 97 I preferred IRL. I love watching blowout wins. That's why I don't watch NASCAR stage racing.
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