V3 is FINALLY getting proper SUBJECT MANAGEMENT!

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One Proud Bavarian

One Proud Bavarian

Күн бұрын

Victoria 3's first major Expansion "Sphere of Influence" is releasing on the 6th may and I will now be giving you a thorough overview over the topic of subject management!
The DLC: store.steampowered.com/app/24...
Put your diplomatic skill to the ultimate test in Sphere of Influence, a new expansion to Victoria 3. Pull other nations into your orbit through diplomatic skill, economic leverage or straightforward bribery. Building a durable international faction of like-minded governments, pursuing common goals for a common good and the glory of your power.
Paradox Interactive’s grand strategy simulation of the Victorian Age offers new ways to impose your will on the world. A coalition of reactionary powers can form blocs to work against the threat of liberal forces in other nations. Use your economic might to co-opt or coerce other regimes, spreading the banner of your ideology wherever your fleets might sail. Resist or embrace domestic pressure to change your traditional foreign policy, as economic and ideological agitators push you to build new coalitions of power.
Sphere of Influence adds many new actions and systems to illustrate the quick moving nature of diplomatic relations in this dramatic era, including new content specifically about The Great Game - the decades long competition between the British and Russian Empires for pre-eminence in North India and Central Asia.
00:00 Intro
00:28 General Overview
00:57 Liberty Desire
05:46 Economic Dependence
09:28 Subject Lobbies
11:05 Subject Actions
12:51 Overlord Actions
16:22 Support Independence
17:50 My Complaints
18:35 Imposing Laws
20:20 Conclusions
#victoria3

Пікірлер: 105
@OneProudBavarian
@OneProudBavarian Ай бұрын
I am late with this one, but wanted to inform you nonetheless about the upcoming changes to V3 vassal management!
@sveinhongset4725
@sveinhongset4725 Ай бұрын
thats gona make norway more relistic:)
@westwarren6736
@westwarren6736 Ай бұрын
I'm so ready to be able to build an economy for my subjects. If I need Iran to build oil I need Iran to build oil.
@westwarren6736
@westwarren6736 Ай бұрын
Foreign Invesrment is also gonna be the best thing for this game.
@Jive1907
@Jive1907 Ай бұрын
Best part is, that we can lucrate extra chash with them
@ka1ock
@ka1ock Ай бұрын
Still going to be a pain, they need tech to discover resources and use production methods.
@HWQFish
@HWQFish 12 күн бұрын
@@ka1ock Wait is that how it works?? If yes, then foreign investment is gonna be trash.
@BeWe1510
@BeWe1510 Ай бұрын
If I am not mistaken the left symbol on that subject sheet stands for their ability to start and join diplomatic plays
@winsingtoniii681
@winsingtoniii681 Ай бұрын
Agreed, I think it is independent diplomacy. Vasals, Puppets, and Personal Unions can't conduct independent diplomacy, Tributaries, Protectorates, and Dominions can.
@austinquinn476
@austinquinn476 Ай бұрын
The economics and profitability of the British East India company varied over time, but this feature is correct in that the company did influence British politics in ways the empire did not want. The expedition to Afghanistan, the great game with Russia, even how the British dealt with the boar uprising was influence by the company.
@Aendolin
@Aendolin Ай бұрын
Boer :) A boar uprising would be terrifying!
@ArkhBaegor
@ArkhBaegor Ай бұрын
@@Aendolin Not as bad as emus though
@louischadfield139
@louischadfield139 Ай бұрын
This is so cool. The first paradox game in which playing as a subject for the majority of the game could still make for a fun time
@567secret
@567secret Ай бұрын
tbf in this era it seems like it would be quite difficult for subjects to form coalitions against overlords without the overlord finding out quite early on.
@QTeaFunny
@QTeaFunny Ай бұрын
Yeah, the fact there's no news of any vassal alliances against the overlord is worrying... Especially remembering your "HRE" run.
@vaadaakoo8812
@vaadaakoo8812 Ай бұрын
Then again the historical british empire did run countries quite a bit larger then its self
@blakedake19
@blakedake19 Ай бұрын
8:04 this is evil and I love that you will be able to do that
@forfeittrain1012
@forfeittrain1012 Ай бұрын
Funny thing is, that's historically what Great Britain and other colonial powers did to their subjects
@blakedake19
@blakedake19 Ай бұрын
@@forfeittrain1012 yeah, that's the essence of colonialism
@user-hf8sv2mp9f
@user-hf8sv2mp9f Ай бұрын
Maybe finaly not directly owning everything is going to be a valid strat ?
@kotzpenner
@kotzpenner Ай бұрын
Already is. Conquering is almost always worse in Vic 3 imo.
@user-hf8sv2mp9f
@user-hf8sv2mp9f Ай бұрын
@@kotzpenner i know that the best strat is to vassalize then diplo annexe, but i want actual reasons to keep the vassals, and not just them being steping stones toward annexation
@kotzpenner
@kotzpenner Ай бұрын
@@user-hf8sv2mp9f yeah I prefer them as puppets. Gives me income and random industry without the bad side effects.
@axxshadowzz
@axxshadowzz Ай бұрын
16:14 The 3rd symbol on the right is for tag formations (Germany, Italy, etc.)
@jnliewmichael4235
@jnliewmichael4235 Ай бұрын
9:04 I do find it amusing that "Hoi4's liberty desire" was repeated a few times in the video, though I do know he's referring to EU4 there XD
@scoobydoobers23
@scoobydoobers23 Ай бұрын
Its because of the Bavarian pronunciation of Eu. . .
@tomsneddon1096
@tomsneddon1096 Ай бұрын
I'd love this to be used in Europe more broadly, and not primarily (as seems to be the case) as a tool of colonial management. For example, Hungary in Austria-Hungary should really be a 'subject' state (not how they saw themselves, but whatever), there should be a move towards 'Home Rule' in Ireland around the turn of the century, and in general there should be possible 'decentralise' decisions in lots of European states (Spain, Italy, and the UK come to mind) where independently-minded and potentially rebellious regions are given internal autonomy in return for higher loyalty.
@GdFireLord
@GdFireLord Ай бұрын
18:00 They haven't explicitly deconfirmed subjects being able to form the "Support Independence" diplomatic pact with other subjects of the same overlord, and I don't see any reason for them to not allow it, since it would allow subjects to ally against their overlord together without even needing to code a new diplo pact or other type of action for it.
@guillaumebouthillette6999
@guillaumebouthillette6999 Ай бұрын
Me who like to play as Lower-Canada to go towards Quebec independence this update/DLC is so WELCOMED
@TheShlongman
@TheShlongman Ай бұрын
The East India Company was incredibly profitable and if considered its own country would have one of the largest GDPs in the world. The money drain didn’t occur until toward the very end of their independence, when they squeezed populations too much during famine’s, so destroyed their own tax base and pretty much would have collapsed had the British government not brought them into public ownership and control.
@SlaghathortheGreat
@SlaghathortheGreat Ай бұрын
I would love to see you do the HRE reborn video again after this update drops.
@cyberrb25
@cyberrb25 Ай бұрын
I wonder if part of the issue with multilaterality is because of the permutations of subjects you can have. Maybe one way to (laterally) fix this is with tried and true Stability, where an unstable government does make every subject be willing to disengage, and end up with not one single war, but with tons of them, which still makes the government unable to fight them all at the same time. Maybe with extra for "revolt chance being affected by stability" as well.
@aephos-overwatch
@aephos-overwatch Ай бұрын
They should add this to the base game, not the entire DLC but at least mechanics and features like this.
@howmanynamesaretaken
@howmanynamesaretaken Ай бұрын
It's hard to get excited for this game because the replayablity is just not there. You're always going to rush the same laws, same techs, same industries, same colonies, unless you want to play subpar. It's hard to see how these upcoming changes impacts that loop to a big degree
@steppedonmyglasses
@steppedonmyglasses Ай бұрын
If you just play "optimally" then yes it has limited replayability. But if you roleplay like OPB has done multiple times on this channel, it will be more fresh and fun
@Bora1333
@Bora1333 Ай бұрын
The first icon on the left in subjectvtypes table is if the subject has their own foreign policy.
@TheCrimsonFlaming
@TheCrimsonFlaming Ай бұрын
Now we wait for: proper your own country management
@terrytripp3528
@terrytripp3528 Ай бұрын
My biggest concern is the subjeect attitude. Currently the 'atttituds' are already arbitrary. You can be at max attitude and have an alliance or trade agreement with someone and they'll still have an cold or cautious attitude towards you. Imagine how frustrating it would be if your subject is just randomly rebellious. Simiarly, what if another country natoinalzies your industries despite having good relations with you?
@minhuctrinh1059
@minhuctrinh1059 Ай бұрын
in the cheat sheet, i think 1st column is whether they can make their ơn diplo plays, the 4th column í share ovr lord's colour?
@jakobbjarki4693
@jakobbjarki4693 Ай бұрын
can't wait too see how this will affect Krakow gameplay
@minhuctrinh1059
@minhuctrinh1059 Ай бұрын
oh wow look at that big taiping in the background
@kotzpenner
@kotzpenner Ай бұрын
Vic 3 is the first Paradox game where I prefer vassalizing over conquering, especially overseas. (Outside vassal feed cheese in EU4) And yeah I feed them too sometimes.
@bastercalltv5051
@bastercalltv5051 Ай бұрын
Before watching: I hope they add return core options as war goals.
@bastercalltv5051
@bastercalltv5051 Ай бұрын
After watching: My disappointment is inmeasurable
@ondrejvasak1054
@ondrejvasak1054 Ай бұрын
11:40 Are they using the word "reversible" incorrectly? I think what they mean is that the action can be initiated by both sides. I tried to look into several dictionaries, but I found no definition which would indicate that the word can be used in that way. Or do they mean the action is both reversible and also can be initiated be either side? At this point, I am just confused and have no idea what they meant by that.
@l.e.a.d.761
@l.e.a.d.761 Ай бұрын
Have you thought about doing a super tall Hati campaign?
@Byamarro2
@Byamarro2 Ай бұрын
The general impressions are very good from my side, but the idea of counting only staples toward economic dependence is a bit immersion breaking. You can be an absolute iron, steel and coal powerhouse, sustaining whole neighbourhood's industrialisation and the indicator will count it as no economic dependence as long for as you don't export that much staples.
@paodelo9911
@paodelo9911 Ай бұрын
Now, just imagine if this basic mechanic, THAT 90% ALREALDY EXISTS IN OTHER PARADOX GAMES WERE PRESENT AT LAUNCH, Just imagine that, maybe vic 3 would've sold way more and kickstarded another money watterfall for paradox at the same time being and decent and respectful product for custumers. Ahhhh just in my dreams.
@user-wv5pw5jh1n
@user-wv5pw5jh1n Ай бұрын
i am afraid that they won't do much about companies cuz next dev diaries doesn't seem to cover that topic and previous literally said nothing about how would companies work with foreign investment and stuff. am i being wrong and i've missed something?
@OneProudBavarian
@OneProudBavarian Ай бұрын
They said wrt the ownership changes that companies *this* patch will not yet receive their "final vision overhaul", but that the idea is to turn them into investment entities that own buildings etc from there! So nothing in SoI, no!
@floflo1645
@floflo1645 Ай бұрын
they basically said that they did not have time to give more love to the companies but that it is on the to do list for the next patch and that they have some ideas, so in 1.8 I presume
@gokudo-cf5pt
@gokudo-cf5pt Ай бұрын
I love the economy depentdant of vasall and overlord and like you said forcing them to produce what we want. Cause it did really happent with alot of colonize nation and you can still see the consequense of them till this day with alot of them are on the news lately
@blockchicken8052
@blockchicken8052 Ай бұрын
Is there any historical precedent at this time frame for coordinated independence between lateral subjects?
@OneProudBavarian
@OneProudBavarian Ай бұрын
From my POV it's primarily about stuff like regional vassal networks. If the Raj and all the Princedoms have become puppets after the doctrine of lapse, a rebellious raj ought to be able to pull in the princedoms somehow. As it is, the Raj rebels alone, may get independence, but all the princedoms stay where they are. Same goes for the steppe minors around Russia and. really. any other regional network. My biggest dislike about all of this is essentially that there is no inner communal life to vassal empires and power blocs.
@asthor93
@asthor93 Ай бұрын
Not 100% sure if it applies to your query, but the closest thing about 20 years before the game start would be the collapse of the Spanish Empire with almost parallel and later coordinated rebellions in Spanish America. One could also consider the Russian Revolution where Poland, the Baltics and Finland obtained independence and remained free until 1939/1940
@LasertechStudios3142
@LasertechStudios3142 Ай бұрын
To be fair to the devs they could get a similar effect if “overlord is targeted by diplo play” is a major modifier in an AI state’s willingness to actually push for independence. That would create the proper feel of an imperial collapse/fracturing.
@jRsqILVOY
@jRsqILVOY Ай бұрын
It'd also be nice to be able to sponsor separatism in other countries, and some IGs that push for that (communists, nationalists, etc.)
@Amon30041
@Amon30041 Ай бұрын
What map mod do you use?
@ProfTricky3168
@ProfTricky3168 Ай бұрын
15:19 There’s a meme going around about Spain plans to convert China to catholic by marriage. Is that possible through Evangelize.
@apollothehuman7
@apollothehuman7 Ай бұрын
I supremely doubt I will ever see the integrate ai strategy haha
@ziggytheassassin5835
@ziggytheassassin5835 Ай бұрын
It would be cool if they added ireland as a playable subject of britain with very low starting autonomy. Id love to play ireland
@154Kilroy
@154Kilroy Ай бұрын
You can technically release them as a subject or independent, but it's messed up because you don't have enough government admin buildings. I tried to build them ahead of time, but by the time I figured the economy would be OK to release, it was 1884 and there was no point. You may have different results. Especially if intending to be a subject.
@antorseax9492
@antorseax9492 Ай бұрын
Why? It was part of the United Kingdom.
@SnowyMan95
@SnowyMan95 Ай бұрын
Well so have they added war yet?
@Pawn2e4
@Pawn2e4 Ай бұрын
War is in the game, it just requires less micro management than in other paradox games
@x_x_6__
@x_x_6__ Ай бұрын
the what is getting proper what
@ivanbro1208
@ivanbro1208 Ай бұрын
I love this game, i just wish there were more demographic policies available
@t.h.8400
@t.h.8400 Ай бұрын
So exciting! One day, this game might actually get out of beta phase 🤣
@MrMoriros
@MrMoriros Ай бұрын
Can somwone explain what he meant by that he writes strategy for the AI? Is he modding or smh?
@vladhut
@vladhut Ай бұрын
Yep, his mod is Victoria tweaks mod
@MrMoriros
@MrMoriros Ай бұрын
@@vladhut is it any good?
@vladhut
@vladhut Ай бұрын
@@MrMoriros you should give it a try. Hard to explain it but it's like a improved base game. Similar to to that popular flavor mod(sorry forgot it's name)
@MrMoriros
@MrMoriros Ай бұрын
@@vladhut is AI more active and is the world more dynamic, compared to the stagnant vanilla?
@vladhut
@vladhut Ай бұрын
@@MrMoriros at least US CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR HISTORICAL BORDERS and not stuck with 1 not taken province from Mexico. Prussia can form Germany etc. Yes, ai better +-
@kubabrzyk2428
@kubabrzyk2428 Ай бұрын
Wow the will ad deleted content pdx’s fans are greatfull hahah
@alcidestavares9565
@alcidestavares9565 Ай бұрын
I all feel that Vic3 was launch like a blank paper, that the devs was updating and improve the game how the community wish (kinda)... But they take soo long, like almost 2 years to put some basic feature, but I feel that Vic3 was so much future...
@SirBalageG
@SirBalageG Ай бұрын
They’ll abandon it as well as imperator then modders will make an amazing game out of it, my only question remains: vic4 when
@alcidestavares9565
@alcidestavares9565 Ай бұрын
@@SirBalageG with Sphere of Influece flop, they will abandon... this DLC, was needed to be lauch last year
@Pawn2e4
@Pawn2e4 Ай бұрын
@@alcidestavares9565 What makes you think Sphere of Influence will be a flop?
@alcidestavares9565
@alcidestavares9565 Ай бұрын
@@Pawn2e4 because the chance isn't zero, so there is a chance
@aephos-overwatch
@aephos-overwatch Ай бұрын
@@alcidestavares9565 rarely do sizeable pdx expansions like this flop, and it's the game's major first one. it will heavily depend on how much they're charging for it. if it's 40+ dollars then it might flop, because from what I've seen it won't give 40 dollars worth of value. when the game launched, that didn't even provide that much in value, maybe 10 dollars worth.
@RKGrizz
@RKGrizz Ай бұрын
EU5 content when?
@climaxingwalrus7835
@climaxingwalrus7835 Ай бұрын
Love the background music
@LeprinhaGul
@LeprinhaGul Ай бұрын
Finally adding something that’s supposed to be in the base game. Honestly they should work on game performance during late game more than anything else.
@aephos-overwatch
@aephos-overwatch Ай бұрын
and still won't be in the base game :( but i guess ug beggars can't be choosers. If we want more mechanics, we gotta pay I guess.
@westwarren6736
@westwarren6736 Ай бұрын
First
@PanzerV21
@PanzerV21 Ай бұрын
1 st
@ErnestIsGaming
@ErnestIsGaming Ай бұрын
Remember. Paradox still havent made a positve review content on steam for years now
@justinb2824
@justinb2824 Ай бұрын
Tours and Tournaments for CK3 is barely holding on for now. That was last year.
@heiggu
@heiggu Ай бұрын
CK3 is doing well.
@ErnestIsGaming
@ErnestIsGaming Ай бұрын
​@@justinb2824 The pricing of that dlc is bs though
@justinb2824
@justinb2824 Ай бұрын
@@ErnestIsGaming They all are.
@zacharysilver911
@zacharysilver911 Ай бұрын
No Step Back? Domination?
@mjgh4087
@mjgh4087 Ай бұрын
Vic 3 sucks. All Paradox games need several years' worth of DLC to be playable, but Vic 3 is on a whole new level.
@maycherryblossoms
@maycherryblossoms Ай бұрын
I disagree! I have more fun with it and more control than V2 I have found, sure it's a bit bland but the systems and the foundations are there!
@LeanderMr
@LeanderMr Ай бұрын
so true! also 21 euro for a DLC that doesnt even attempt to fix the main issues with the game... Also every single feature in the DLC - there is mods for on the steam workshop. Its discusting
@urmum2083
@urmum2083 Ай бұрын
​@@maycherryblossomseeeeeh at least vic2 had spheres of influence on its release
@zacharysilver911
@zacharysilver911 Ай бұрын
CK3 honestly gets less fun for me the more crap they shove in it
@SirBalageG
@SirBalageG Ай бұрын
In vic2 warfare had meaning, in vic3 you sit in front of the game and wait for battles to end favorably for you. Economics is a whole lot better in vic3 but every other department was better in vic2, maybe except for migration and colonization. Hell they’re adding features that vic2 had at launch, almost 2 years for spheres? I wish the game succeeds but I feel like they’re putting in the effort too late
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