Valian Years and the Aging of Elves - Building a World
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4 жыл бұрынValian Years were the system of measured years before the sun and moon in Middle-earth, and they are worth exploring to understand time and the aging of Elves in Arda, for time and deeds lie heavily upon the Eldar. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts about Valian Years and the aging of Elves in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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@federicaesu8580 4 жыл бұрын
One of The most complex topic in Tolkien l’ore. Immortality is not living forever, it’s seeing everyone else die
@anatoldenevers237 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I feel like true immortality would be miserable, but being eternal and just being able to choose to die once I've decided I've lived long enough, that I could do.
@stevan.veljkovic 2 жыл бұрын
that sentence literally makes no sense :D seeing everyone die IS a consequence of living forever which IS immortality.... sophism much? :D tell me then if u dislike life so much why do u go to the doctor when ur hurt? why do u eat? why do u do everything possible to extend your life? just let urself die before anyone else... also do u really think u need to be immortal to see everyone else around you die? have u hear of wars? of plagues? of plain old bad luck? my grandmother saw her parents die, her husband die, her child die, her family die, her friends die.... she wasnt immortal, she also wasnt special, there are people that saw much much more death than that, she was just an average person living ironically shorter than average life.... such a simple and childish view of the world.... insert "im 14 and this is deep" meme here... i often find that people proclaiming these thought about immortality are the ones most afraid of their own mortality and probably would do anything to be the first in line to get "the ring"
@claytonbarnett7084 4 жыл бұрын
I've been a Tolkien lay scholar since I first read LOTR when I was eleven in 1977. When the movies came out, I tried to explain to my wife just how astonishingly old the High Elves were. Thank you for helping put it into an easy perspective. Excellent work. Aside: at my DayJob about a year ago, I pulled up an Ancestry geneology (sic) which showed my family tree from the mid-16th Century. The so-called educated pharmacists around me muttered that they kinda, sorta knew one of their grandparents. Being cut off from our past, from our family, is a horrific tragedy of the modern age.
@lemonvariable72 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@orrointhewise87 4 жыл бұрын
“A hundred years is a mere blink in the life of an elf. I’m patient; I can wait” Man and I get cranky when daylight savings time comes around haha But very interesting subject! We as readers forget that the world existed before the sun and the moon which is crazy to even comprehend. And then it’s even more insane when the eventual end of Arda will come about and time will end😵 Ok I think my simple mind needs a break now haha
@scientia.veritas 4 жыл бұрын
The statement, while profound, is also highly exaggerated. Cirdan lived 10,900 years. If 100 years is a blink, then Cirdan blinked only 109 times. An average human blinks once every 10 seconds. To blink 109 times, he would need 18 minutes. For a human with lifespan of 80 years, that's just 0.015% of his life.
@ianmiller6040 Жыл бұрын
@@scientia.veritas He was obviously saying that in a symbolic, poetic way (as befitting an elf) and not being literal.
@just_cade 3 жыл бұрын
I love the elves so much. I feel like Tolkien's universe exists solely to serve as a grand chronicle of the history of the beautiful, mysterious, enchanting people that are the Quendi.
@palantir135 4 жыл бұрын
It’s like when arda was young time passed slowly like when we were kids. A day looked like a whole week before it was over. When arda was old the years passed very quickly like it is with older people. A week seems like a day, a year passes so quickly that it’s gone before you know it.
@fanaticaltechpriest1002 4 жыл бұрын
All hail the loremaster!
@hughgedney3393 4 жыл бұрын
The Loremaster of the Lord of the Rings universe.
@lambielikesit 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone following Signum University as well will know how blessed we’ve been this week with the deep lore and level of analysis. Elbereth bless you Yoystan
@AW-zy8mw 4 жыл бұрын
A very interesting topic, I never knew the years were so long during the ages. I always thought that each age was roughly 3000 human years a piece. Very nice to learn something new.
@tolgakocabas9589 4 жыл бұрын
A perfectionist Tolkien was, constantly reshaped his work until death. Maybe because of this, his legenderium became timeless but unfinished in some parts. Anyway, great video Yoystan! Keep up the good work!
@bartekwesoowski1113 4 жыл бұрын
*sigh* after taking in all this information I felt that I understand the aging of the elves and counting of the years better and also damn, since Círdan was about 10900 years old he must’ve had some degree of PTSD after witnessing some of the tragedies of the elves
@bluezauza 4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that he longed to sail to Valinor but the Valar asked him not to, it must have been very hard to see everyone else sail from his harbor while he had to remain back.
@bartekwesoowski1113 4 жыл бұрын
@@bluezauza ye, he must've felt really emotional seeing the elves closest to him leave and the next time he'd see them would be after some long time
@jakealter5504 4 жыл бұрын
Cirdan probably didn’t have PTSD as severely as Maedhros did before he killed him self
@FritsGerlich07 4 жыл бұрын
+@@jakealter5504.., No I think that neither one of them suffered from PTSD. Because Elves do have a completely different perception of time. Which evolves much more slowly than the pace in which the years are passing by in the world of Man.
@anatoldenevers237 3 жыл бұрын
@@bluezauza That's why Cirdan is my favorite, he put his duty above what he wanted, and always helped others before himself, he even gave up a ring of power to Gandalf, and he's been around SO long.
@zandroamador4491 4 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, Melkor didn't break the 2 lamps of the Valar yet.
@shadowofchaos8932 4 жыл бұрын
The big hairy, Monstrous spider was still wandering the world scaring middle earth before sunlight.
@adititewari3915 4 жыл бұрын
You know, I feel really bad for Aule. First his BFF Morgoth shatters his lamps and turns evil. Then his dad wants to get rid of his dwarves. He gets a stay on that but the awakening of dwarves is still delayed. Then his Maia Sauron gets corrupted by his old buddy Morgoth. Later on he sends another of his Maias, Saruman to fix things and he gets turned by Sauron. And all this without counting the flack he caught from his wife about dwarves cutting down her trees or from the other Valar for teaching Faenor to the point where he had the ability to craft the Silmarils that kicked off the war. Poor guy just can't catch a break.
@victornjoku8250 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahhhahahaha. Last time I was this early, the Ainur were still singing.
@angelalewis3645 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@jesuscoyt-munoz2753 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video yoystan. Also I’d like to “add” what you said about how it was hard for the elves to understand changing things since they were immortal. I think after hearing that it shows that death really is a gift because to live in a world that changes yet you do not can be a curse and I think that’s what iluvitar wanted his second born children to understand. I hope you like this and maybe you’ll use it if you ever make a video about further explain iluvitars gift of men.
@ChiaraSiasat 4 жыл бұрын
Another amazing video! Just hearing the math in equivalency of our years vs Valian years is crazy. I’m still trying to wrap my head around it lol!
@tiitto167 4 жыл бұрын
yeah it's amazing how you can relate to this and think of black holes and how time moves slower and much faster for everyone else. I don't think this is the same but time is confusing.
@jasper4331 4 жыл бұрын
I really love history and information about the world of Tolkien in such detail. Especially when the info comes from other books than the most famous ones. Im reading Morgoth's Ring right now and it really makes me happy to get small pieces of new story/info about Tolkien's wonderful world. Thanks for making video's like this and I hope you keep providing us with awesome new stories from Tolkien's world for as long as possible!
@geviesanta3631 4 жыл бұрын
Don't worry Yoystan, you did your best in creating this vid. That's what really matters the most, and I really appreciate the effort that you put into it.
@MenoftheWest 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gevie, that means a lot to hear! I always want to do the best I can but yeah there were definitely some inconsistencies with this one haha
@geviesanta3631 4 жыл бұрын
@@MenoftheWest It's alright, everyone does get confused about how much details they need to add, for certain topics. Even when they're trying to make videos they want to make, and what we want to see.
@celestejohnston6613 4 жыл бұрын
Yoystan! I will have to go back and rewatch but I really enjoyed this video. It gives even more depth to the world Tolkien created! That elves are aged by sorrow and can die from grief has always been an idea that fascinates me! Thanks for the vid!!
@shadowofchaos8932 4 жыл бұрын
Elf math of the trees must be similar to Ents. Takes a long time to do anything in old Entish.
@Caffeine_And_Seawater 4 жыл бұрын
Shadowofchaos 89 I'm on a reread and just read that line as treebeard said it to the hobbits this morning
@shadowofchaos8932 4 жыл бұрын
@@Caffeine_And_Seawater I try to read all the books beginning from hobbit to silmarllion every 3 years. Next year was the year, before this virus.
@verasverrucktevideos1810 4 жыл бұрын
... And therefore they only say things that are worth being said. We could learn alot from them and save us many harsh words these days.
@theranger6411 4 жыл бұрын
Yes another vid from my fav Tolkien lore master.
@azipoor3468 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome and flawless video Thx.....besides Tulkas deserves an epic character video of his own too
@ChiaraSiasat 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been saying the same thing we need a Tulkas Epic video!
@sigurdhole6071 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, keep up the good work 😁
@Maelum_ 4 жыл бұрын
learning more about the laws of the Eldar would be interesting :)
@IronDragon-2143 4 жыл бұрын
Two what Ifs for future videos. What if the Easterlings and/or Haradrim didn't join Morgoth or Sauron? What if Gandalf made it out of Moria with the rest of the Fellowship?
@opesogaolu3169 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these wonderful videos, they make my week.
@mahatoo117 4 жыл бұрын
Really great video! Thanks for your research and presentation!!
@morrigandanae 4 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered about Valian years. Thanks so much for making this!
@1sonjohn44 4 жыл бұрын
Please do as much as you can a in depth analysis of ancalagon the black, watcher in the water, or fellbeast. Or all 3! 🙏🏽
@Alexs.2599 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Yoystan for this video, really fascinating. Loved it.
@GianniCumbo 4 жыл бұрын
Many times now you have made a video of just the topic I had been thinking of! Great video! The truly long years before the first age always fascinated me :)
@DiracComb.7585 4 жыл бұрын
Ooh, more world building, this should be amazing So, valian hours are like human years while normal hours are like dog years, nice Also, I’m guessing Tolkien didn’t believe in the decimal system, or the Valar didn’t care about future accountants, cause yeash to the multipliers.
@MenoftheWest 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the continued support, my friend! Lol that's a good way of seeing it!
@cool06alt 4 жыл бұрын
The elves believe in duodecimal numeral system, apparently they had figured decimal will make poor choice for 1/3 fraction counting in the future. It's like our own mathematician expert have proposed but since we use decimal system too long and widely adopted, it doesn't catch up anytime soon.
@shadowofchaos8932 4 жыл бұрын
Tolkien, manipulating time, before daylight was invented. The level of genius is still being learned.
@DiracComb.7585 4 жыл бұрын
Shadowofchaos 89 bro BC a man of physics, I like to think of it as time dilation
@shadowofchaos8932 4 жыл бұрын
@@DiracComb.7585 dude, boom. My head just exploded.
@janscholochua9800 4 жыл бұрын
Man. I have subscribed years ago, you're living the dream. Not everyone can be so dedicated and immersed on a specific fantasy I wish I could have so many time to do what you do. keep up the good work!
@80budokai 4 жыл бұрын
Men of the West. great video! Every Sunday, I look forward to your videos! Enjoy your Sunday!💯🙏👐
@amandaofhouserobinson6707 4 жыл бұрын
One of your best vids yet!!! Thankyou!
@Chiannachan 4 жыл бұрын
I just had ideas for a small story about a child of man and a child of elves growing up together for a time. But while the elf would be happy and aloof, the human would realise their differences one day and bid their friend fare well. The you elf did not understand until many years later, when they (finally of age) visit the grave of their fallen human friend. Thank you!! I love your videos and this one was amazing!!
@alejandroelizondo7078 4 жыл бұрын
very nice video concept, a very untouched topic as well, good job
@westboy84 4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyable video delving into the lore and world-building! :)
@PabloAlvestegui 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video about the Gift of Men, or where men go when they die?
@MenoftheWest 4 жыл бұрын
Not yet, but I’ll add it to my list of topics! Thank you for the suggestion, my friend!
@kossend1 4 жыл бұрын
@@MenoftheWest Depending how much content there is, there might be potential for a series with a video for each major race.
@brettporter7081 4 жыл бұрын
Tough topic, well done!
@everordonez9886 4 жыл бұрын
now seeing how long the lives of the elves were and the long years of the early age I think my impatience has been cured lol
@Alexs.2599 4 жыл бұрын
I never knew that the years of the lamps actually lasted longer then the years of the trees. I always thought the lamps and the Valar's first home on the isle of Almaren only lasted a brief time. All told these Valian years along with the three ages of the sun and the ages afterwards all the way up to this present age are tens of tens of tens of thousands of years long. Wow good Lord that is really hard to comprehend. Tolkien's world is massively, hugely much much older than C.S. Lewis' mere 2555 years of Narnia's existence.
@adititewari3915 4 жыл бұрын
Think about it as 'the older the Age, the longer the Age'. This is true for our History, too. For example, the Paleolithic Age lasted from 50000 BC to 8000 BC. That's more than 4 times as long as the rest of the Ages put together.
@Alexs.2599 4 жыл бұрын
@@adititewari3915 Yes that is very true.
@jonniiinferno9098 4 жыл бұрын
perhaps CS Lewis' "2555 years of Narnia" - were "Valian" years - after all, CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien were good friends...
@Alexs.2599 4 жыл бұрын
@@jonniiinferno9098 Maybe, that would be interesting.
@jackallen7680 4 жыл бұрын
I loved this video! Learned a lot more about the Elves, and the early history of middle earth.
@VivianStorm 4 жыл бұрын
Hantale! I've always been quite confused about the ageing and death of elves. Thanks for helping clarify it!
@thingsweneverdid3782 4 жыл бұрын
THANKS for presenting Tolkien lore in such a well done attractive package. You do us fans a service
@mikeperry8639 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your awesome videos. I've always enjoyed Tolkien. But you really got me into the lore and notes that I had no ideas about. Thank you very much.
@di3486 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating! I loved this!
@jenniferwood144 4 жыл бұрын
A beautiful video, with math. I’m impressed Thank you
@Chris-fd9sg 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing video, thank you!!
@zachgarrett2565 4 жыл бұрын
You did a fantastic job! Loved it
@grandlotus1 4 жыл бұрын
You make listening to math entertaining. I thought I loved Tolkien, but clearly you are far more ardent. Well done.
@williammullikin2076 4 жыл бұрын
thank you for this, I was always confused about the count of time
@ardasfellowship27 4 жыл бұрын
Men of the west has inspired me to do research and make my own videos about topics in Tolkien’s works. Thank you so Yoystan for inspiring me to create about what I love. I already have my channel and first video up.
@TannithVQ 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you dear friend. I look forward to the next one.
@Daniel_Alves1993 4 жыл бұрын
I remember when I first researched about ages and years. When I realised how old Galadriel was, she felt even more powerful when I remembered the movies. So, if I understand correctly, elves age based on what happens to them, otherwise they don´t? The idea of immortality, and particularly if you stop aging at a young age, was always appealing, but being that in a world constantly at war and where your friends and family die a lot, that doesn´t seem fun. I always looked at the perspective of being able to see everything. Like Cirdan, for example. He was born early enough that he met the very first elves that existed. I find that fascinating.
@drivingmuffin 4 жыл бұрын
I really liked this video, thank you :-)
@lsporter88 4 жыл бұрын
Death is indeed a Blessing in disguise. It is both Advisor/Motivator as well as a Door at the end. Brilliant commentary.
@johnpatricktan5545 4 жыл бұрын
Good stuff as always
@marias.595 4 жыл бұрын
I think I get lost in time ... such a beautiful music ...bravo 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@mundomanual7308 4 жыл бұрын
its not confusing, and amazing as always!! thanks for doing this videos, i think in one of your past videos, you said some elves died, which didnt make sense, we all know they are inmortal...you made it pretty much clear now...and there will always be an elven melancoly, the beauty and wisdom elves posses, and all the stories they have to endure...
@ChedarV 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I knew valinor years were 10 times longer than sun years, but wasnt sure how accurate that was. Thanks for clearing that out!
@dianabliss1142 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you did a very fine job!
@KimP0612 11 ай бұрын
The information about Finrod was new to me. I didn’t know he came back. Thanks!
@calebschuster2878 4 жыл бұрын
By Eru Ilùvatar, what a great video! Well done!
@madambutterfly1997 4 жыл бұрын
Omigod math. When I had the credits to drop that in high school I took the opportunity. And then when I did my bachelor's degree they made me do math again
@MenoftheWest 4 жыл бұрын
Lol I have not done this much math since high school, it reminded me why I'm not pursuing a math-based major haha
@sethmiller2534 4 жыл бұрын
Time flies surely, but just as time speeds up, it appears mere moments as I watch your videos for I am overcome with joy as I watch
@stephensmith3111 4 жыл бұрын
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
@mystictimewarp9831 Жыл бұрын
I was so sick today these videos saved me
@pranaygurnule5666 4 жыл бұрын
Keep it up yoystan !
@julianneyvonne560 4 жыл бұрын
Us as people watch things change, people passing and much more. We are much like elves in a way. Very nice lesson ! Another awesome video my mellon! 🦅
@Orodrethxvx 2 жыл бұрын
Great video thank you so much
@theblackprince1346 4 жыл бұрын
So looking forward to next week's video on Éowyn, one of my favourite characters along with Boromir.
@MrElicer 4 жыл бұрын
Wow this was clearly explained! No confusion at all. 🤗
@SuSpence60 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the walls of night or the doorways on both sides of the earth? I'm not sure what they are called, maybe you know what I mean, there seems to be one in the west and another in the east? But love this vid I didn't know any of this thanks! Been watching for years.
@PavolKlein7 4 жыл бұрын
I'd appreciate that too.
@embryono1503 4 жыл бұрын
Epic. Thnx mate
@cathrynbyrnes8737 Жыл бұрын
good video yoystan.
@trevorsmith2401 3 жыл бұрын
you are great at this
@troublesomezorua 4 жыл бұрын
It's weird to hear that the Time of the Lamps was the longest, since it had so little focus in The Silmarillion and felt like Melkor broke them really quickly. So the fact it lasted that long surprised me. Though given how much I hate the concept of permanent daylight, it still wasn't fast enough for me. I also knew about the hour system based on the trees but didn't realize they were so much longer. I should mention that I'm currently reading The Silmarillion but am only midway through the tree years, and it's kind of slow going due to the sheer loudness of where I live. So I'm not sure if it mentions the sun and moon being faster yet or if that was just a History Of Middle Earth thing. Sealing Melkor for 300 years after all he did seemed pretty fair, though 3,000 is a little harsher. I have serious problems with Eru as a deity/parent/administrator, but Melkor still took things a bit too far. Though I still like that they gave him a chance to repent and rejoin them. I feel like most fictional deities wouldn't do that, so little pet the dog moments are always nice.
@fabiobiella1714 Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@hughgedney3393 4 жыл бұрын
A very extremely great video as always Men of the West.
@jamesbond007648 4 жыл бұрын
As awesome as always. I've got to say that your channel reinvigorated my love for Tolkien's legendarium. I've got to say that this video is quite interesting because although it involves a lot of math, it can theoretically answer a question that has been bugging me for quite a while. In our timeline, using the equation of Valian year and our years, when would the stories of Tolkien would have taken place in our timeline? And if it can be measured, in which ages would we be, now? Also, I know it's quite off topics, but I've also been meaning to ask you about your tought about such alternative account of Middle Earth's history as the book "The last ringbearer" by Kiril Eskov. I know they're not taken into account as part of the legendarium but it's quite interesting to think of stories where sauron's forces would have actually been the good guys and stuff.
@MenoftheWest 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the support, my friend! That is a curious question, and one scholars have tried to answer for some time! It seems every age ends with a large war, so taking that into account, with the World Wars and others, I’ve seen people place us in the Sixth or Seventh age if I remember correctly. As for that book you mentioned, I still need to check it out! It would be interesting to see the events of the War of the Ring from that perspective.
@PleaseNThankYou 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think I've heard these time lines explained. I haven't read Morgoth's ring yet either. Thank you! Wonderful to have this perspective
@aaronbukovsky 4 жыл бұрын
great video. every day it seems i learn something new or look at it from a different angle. where did you locate that map shown at the 3.30 mark? i love it
@KTChamberlain 4 жыл бұрын
This video got me thinking of Durin's Day, where the last moon of Autumn and the first sun of winter appear in the sky together.
@skzanarchist 4 жыл бұрын
Hello there Yoystan!
@MrSRA13 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. I often put them on in the background so i can listen whilst making dinner or even working out 😅 I'd like to see you cover a video of Gildor Inglorian. There doesn't seem to be many discussions about him. Also what's the best way to contact you? I'd love to show you my middle earth collection and discuss my plans for a complete middle earth in miniature and collection form. Still a work in progress but I figured I'd start putting it out there into the community :)
@littlepotatomaneatstomatoe7454 4 жыл бұрын
I had no idea about this topic before watching this video
@methaphisic 11 ай бұрын
I just realised with this video that the halls of mandos is a respawn area.
@qashmonie 8 ай бұрын
Please expand on this topic in terms of the different calendars, days, and weeks throughout arda also could you maybe elaborate on astronomy and astrological aspects of arda as well I feel like that’s a very unexplored area of the lore, at least if it is I can’t find anyone talking about it..
@arveanturtelcontar6138 4 жыл бұрын
Depth Lore, love it
@ibonarzua2811 4 жыл бұрын
I think men represent how we age phisically, the decay of the flesh, and the elfs represent how we age mentally and spiritually, our experiences being what really change us. Very interesting video
@Books_Anime_92 2 жыл бұрын
I am going to have to read Morgoth's Ring. I am always looking into reading more about the legendarium.
@anishshaw9631 3 жыл бұрын
I love your voice. It sounds like real man of the west, numenorean. Your visuals are also stunning. I have searched lotr wallpaper a lot for the fantasy I have. But every time I saw your video I feel I have Less..
@silverwingdragon4161 4 жыл бұрын
So in Valian years, I'm still a toddler then. Neat.
@Alexs.2599 4 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered about when an Elf reached his or her third cycle of life, when they started visibly greying, and for a male to grow a greying beard like Cirdan, was that because they resided in mortal Middle Earth and these lands had an effect on their aging? Or did they go through the same process of aging in Valinor as well. I mean did the Vanyar, Noldor and Teleri who resided on Aman and her isles stay relatively young even deep into a third cycle of an elven life?
@MenoftheWest 4 жыл бұрын
That’s a great question! I think the Elves who stayed in Valinor aged also, for though the land was undying, some who came there, such as Bilbo, Frodo, Sam and Gimli, still aged. However, I would imagine that they aged less quickly than those who dwelt for ages in Middle-earth, as they were not subjected to the same tools as those in the East.
@Alexs.2599 4 жыл бұрын
@@MenoftheWest Ah okay, so they age still but much slower and they endure till Arda ends, at least until Eru commences third Third Song. Okay I thought so but wasn't quite sure on that thanks. Speaking of Frodo, Bilbo Sam and Gimli in Valinor or more specifically on Tol Eressea, I wonder how many years the Valar granted them to dwell there in peace before they died.
@cool06alt 4 жыл бұрын
@@MenoftheWest Bilbo, Frodo Sam and others aged because they are mortal and tolkien had said had if they stayed in the actual undying land they would even more aged faster. It's just too perfect basically though Tolkien had make more eloborate explanation for that. I think it is from one of his letter. the elves and Valar would experience aging, so much so they will eventually envy the gift of men.
@adrianciobanu5856 3 жыл бұрын
@@cool06alt Sam did not go in only Bilbo and Frodo.
@ianmiller6040 Жыл бұрын
@@adrianciobanu5856 He did eventually, after his wife Rosie died. He took the trip with the last of the elves from the Grey Havens and resided in Valinor until his death. Finally, Legolas took a boat himself and sailed away to Aman, taking Gimli with him (how the Valar Manwe reacted to that, we do not know).
@slicerneons3300 4 жыл бұрын
Tolkien world building-amazing and echaustong.
@aaronj3924 3 жыл бұрын
@MenoftheWest Now that you've covered time and immortality, another aspect of elves I'm curious about is their ability, or lack there of, to heal. I know not everything in the movies were canon, however, in the second Hobbit movie (I think), we see Thranduil lose his temper and his flawless face reveals garish scars?
@FritsGerlich07 4 жыл бұрын
What intrigues me a lot is the concept of time. Time is not a mere instrument such as a clockwork. Nor is it a line that connects two points with another. Or a stream that flows from one point to the next. Time is the impermanence of all things both living and growing. Therefore we are the time because we are the ones who are passing by. And Elfs and Man are doing this each at their own pace. Although Elfs tend to do it much more slowly. What's making it even more interesting is the fact that this seems to imply that both Elfs and Man are living in there own universe in which they experience a totally different perception of time. The first slow and the latter much faster. It's pretty interesting if one thinks about it.
@nicolaistawinoga7566 4 жыл бұрын
Please can you do the stories of the Second Age? Would love some content on this, especially with the upcoming amazon series. Also find it quite hard to access.
@adititewari3915 4 жыл бұрын
I think as for an explanation for the discrepancies in time - how sure are we that time with the lamps was the same as time with the trees? Also, how long did it take for Yavanna and Nienna to grow the trees and later to turn the flower of Telperion into the moon and the fruit of Laurelin into the sun?
@xVxStriderxVx 4 жыл бұрын
hi there yoystan
@brandonholmes1144 3 жыл бұрын
Somewhere in your videos you should show a list of every JRR Tolkien book so that if we wanna read the entire works we know all of them
@sunwukong6897 4 жыл бұрын
Something I found cool, as well, was that elves measure age in “yén”, a unit of time roughly corresponding to 144 years.
@mcrettable 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do videos on the geography of each place and in each age? Maps from the atlas of middle earth.
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