74. Wrangling the new campervan worktop to stay in place

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Жыл бұрын

Another classic case of frustration and banging my head against the wall as I try to fix the new campervan worktop in place whilst also making it removable in case I need to do so in future.
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@jennifermoody487 Жыл бұрын

David, I so appreciate your sense of humor when you are doing these chores. It's a pleasure to watch you! First of all, it actually shows me some of the ins and outs of what you are doing. Most KZfaq channels like this show the beginning and then jump to the end, and I miss all the little in-between bits that I NEVER think of. You are a joy to watch as well as being very clear in the how-to accounts. Thank you, my dear!

@ferretywalton6860 Жыл бұрын

These videos are an absolute joy. It makes a welcome change to see real world (well, mine anyway) DIY. Swearing, chuntering, frustration, and the odd injury. 😀

@maxiemills6982 Жыл бұрын

Sometimes you're the bug. Sometimes you're the windshield.

@carycoombe3380 Жыл бұрын

Watching someone who honestly shows you the problems with RV projects, is much nicer than having them happening to yourself. Thanks!

@rickkearn7100 Жыл бұрын

David your industriousness never ceases to amaze. Your van interior is looking spiffy. Much harmony and obvious forethought in the design. Well done! Really enjoyed this one as I do all of your posts. Cheers.

@spencerjhog4429 Жыл бұрын

As an "experienced" general practitioner of the building trades let me reassure you that a lot of knowledge comes from discovering all the ways to not to do a job. Eventually, in spite of the frustration one has eliminated all the ways to do a task incorrectly and thus you become an expert! You are 75% on your way to being an expert.

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Ha! I like that way of thinking!

@brbertram Жыл бұрын

Put soap on the wood. It will slide in easier. And that is the entirety of advice I am competent to ever offer you.

@2760ade Жыл бұрын

Ooh Matron!!🤣🤣

@Yorkshiremadmick Жыл бұрын

Or candle wax

@nilo70 Жыл бұрын

If the goggles on your gas mask fog up , you can rub a little soap on the inside of the lenses for a very light coating and that will stop the fogging.😊. Don’t ask me how I know.

@roland9423 Жыл бұрын

Patience of a Saint. Well Done Sir.

@ben31tube Жыл бұрын

Nothing is EVER as easy as it should be!

@loki7441 Жыл бұрын

I found a similar problem as I get older, what the hell happened there? moments and I'm from an engineering background. Scientists a few years ago published a report into peoples brains recalling things and analysing things as they get older. It said older people have so much information stored in the brain it takes moments longer to recall them than a younger person . Reason being they haven't acuminated the knowledge of the older person, therefore they can recall their stored information quickly. Made me feel very happy. Double sided tape is very useful for sticking small pieces of timber in place to get your marking and drilling. Usually replaces the glue too. The new counter looks great.

@penneynoss9552 Жыл бұрын

Hi David, the work top looks great. I always enjoy watching you make memories. I have many days like your day. I always think I’m dehydrated and a nice cup of tea will help.could be the tea or maybe the chocolate cookies.😊

@davidpiper3652 Жыл бұрын

I'd have chucked it in long before you did, your perseverance is astonishing. I hate plumbing and water stuff, it leaks and makes a mess. Give me electricity any day!

@lavenderau6326 Жыл бұрын

I too have had days were I wonder just what I was thinking! I stop so I don't make it worse and then get back to it after a cuppa. What is sometimes worse is when all my cuts and meaurements are bang on perfect, like surely I have made a mistake somehwere and I worry I wont find it till it's all glued and screwed together. I am thoroughly enjoying the van refurbishment.

@zapfanzapfan Жыл бұрын

"Section removed for bad language" 🙂 In the beginning I worried the worktop would rattle if not glued or screwed in place but that was such a tight fit it can't rattle, precision engineering!

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I drove 160miles a few days ago and it didn't rattle. Annoyingly, something else did!!

@zapfanzapfan Жыл бұрын

@@Vandemonium There is always something... hope you can track it down.

@adrianheywood Жыл бұрын

Miters. They are my nemesis. I measure, I check, double and triple check. I mark or scribe the piece of material in terms of which way I want the miter to go/be. I cut said material. And, the moment it's cut - but not a second before - I realize that I've cut it the wrong way. Feeling your pain David. We're all cheering you on. :)

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

😀😀🤣🤣

@janebrown3587 Жыл бұрын

omg, I can measure six times and get still get it wrong, lol!

@gardeninginthedesert Жыл бұрын

"Thirty nine and a half point three" You really were having one of those days. 😂

@billstevens3796 Жыл бұрын

David? Are you me? That's a typical project process for me too!

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@adamnorris8006 Жыл бұрын

a tight fit is a perfect fit. Good job David, I love your channels!

@hamshackleton Жыл бұрын

If there was no challenge - it wouldn't be fun! (scream!) 🙂

@GrahamRead101 Жыл бұрын

Frankly, I found this very reassuring. My usual DIY experience to a T. (And I do still enjoy doing it!).

@mabecka Жыл бұрын

Best channel ever! i have the same van but it's Fiat badged, the scudo. I went the no-build route and use Helinox furniture, an Eco Flow powerstation, a Thetford Porta potti and a homemade kithen module. I sometimes need the space in the van for other stuff and need to empty it completely. Cheers from Sweden!

@kathyjohnson2043 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate you sharing your frustrations and setbacks; so many DIY shows explain the plan, a few timelaps shots and then the next shot is of everything perfectly done!

@nesleinf Жыл бұрын

Not exactly your day - but the more learning for us (how NOT to do) 😀 Love from Denmark

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

So true!

@hughcarson6837 Жыл бұрын

Well now you are learning why most people can't be bothered with DIY, it can be total frustration. Keep up the good work

@chrisaris8756 Жыл бұрын

If you want wood to slide, traditionally one would rub candle wax on both surfaces. It will last a lot longer than soap!

@kentolsen7384 Жыл бұрын

This reminds me too much of almost every DIY I've done. I'm anxiously awaiting the second video.

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Second? This is about the fifth, you may have some catching up to do 🤣🤣😀

@thomasfrench2012 Жыл бұрын

I was at our local hardware store today. After I asked about a part, they not only took me to it without asking, but also asked me what I was attempting to accomplish. One could ask for a mailbox and they would still ask that question, because their objective is not simply to sell something, but to sell the right something as well as everything one needs to accomplish the task. They do this because they are competing with a national box store and they can compete in neither price nor inventory against them. But it works because people like me not only save time by not having to go back multiple times, we also save the money by buying the right piece, or pieces, the first time.

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

That's a good store!

@charlevoix418 Жыл бұрын

English is not my first language but just for your's, I am litterally addicted to your channel!

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Haha thank you

@charlevoix418 Жыл бұрын

@@Vandemonium From French Canada: I watch so many euro van videos like Greg Virgoe and so many others but for the real english terminology and expressions, you're the best!

@bennysh Жыл бұрын

David, you are a true brit showing us the famous "keep calm and have a tea" moto 😊 can't imagine you mad and sweary..

@barbarataylor1535 Жыл бұрын

Do it yourself is a winner and satisfying, not necessarily saving money

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! That's my reasoning, for certain.

@okbanlon Жыл бұрын

So nice to see you! Keep on wrangling - you're doing just fine. Much better than I could do, definitely.

@michaelburroughs7494 Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the world of woodworking!

@danieltaylor5231 Жыл бұрын

If you feel yourself feeling like that again David you need to stop immediately! You had way too much blood in your teastream! You needed to have an emergency cuppa much sooner. Then another with lunch. At the end of the work day it works well to have a G&T to help settle the tea.

@algernonblack Жыл бұрын

I have to say that I have not laughed so much for a long time. Thank you.

@paulmurphy5648 Жыл бұрын

Oh, Dave...welcome to my world of DIY!!! One job leads to another for which I do not have the tools, which causes me stress....so I make a phone call and go to the pub until the expert sorts out the mess I have made!!!

@carolleenkelmann4751 Жыл бұрын

David's journalistic technique: the cliffhanger along with the belts and braces. Until when....

@simonstork9404 Жыл бұрын

Always take that one win and be gratified, I feel your frustration. A win is a win no matter how long it takes to achieve it. Bravo intrepid diyer you made me laugh out loud 😆

@MissScrappy Жыл бұрын

"Obviously I meant to do that for a reason but no longer have any clue as to why.." is my constant mantra while engaging in DIY. Step back... Have a cuppa... Perhaps a cheese sandwich.. 😃 We love our David! Cheers =^··^=

@neilbroome4941 Жыл бұрын

David, to fix the worktop down. Remove the tank door from the end of the unit, drill o hole in the top frame, fit a screw through the frame into the positioning wood that you glued and screwed to the underside of the worktop. Hope this helps you. Best Wishes. Neil and Anne

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Cheers. I don't want to screw it though, the idea is to make it removable without tools if I want to 😀

@davidjones8680 Жыл бұрын

Obviously a case of not enough cheese on your cheese sandwich David. You should always have a cheese sandwich with extra cheese before attempting to do such work as this. I will sit paitently awaiting the next installment. Erm, maybe I should get myself a cheese sandwich while I wait, probably with extra cheese as you maybe a while. David in Dudley.

@barbaradionne7768 Жыл бұрын

Well! That was a day , absolutely filled to the max, with ridiculously annoying stuff! 🤬😡Tomorrow will be a better day, I’m convinced. Carry on David. The van will be super when you’re done.

@paulhoughton5266 Жыл бұрын

Another gem from David. I love this REAL diy

@Dmate89 Жыл бұрын

At @13:36 I just snapped back to your self-laughing DIY in your narrowboat, if I recall correctly it was during your bathroom project, when you said "hehe, DIY is never easy" But remember one crucial thing, David: It is your project, and your standards, and your time you spend on it, for your own satisfaction. So if frustrated, you can stop and drop everything as you like, and return to it after a cupper, or a g&t

@Carlos-im3hn Жыл бұрын

White color synthetic Rectorseal Tplus2 pipe sealant (non-toxic PTFE enriched) will plug up any water leaks in the grey plastic pipe and is 100% safe (from across the Pond). It goes on wet but will slowly dry and stop any leaks on smooth pipes (maybe also used some sticky duct tape to keep from slipping out when on the road). Usually the Tplus2 is for plastic threaded pipe...but should work on your smooth grey plastic wate pipes. Use it liberally underneath your new sink. You may want to attach a small pipe "hook" for stress relief on the new grey hose underneath to prevent other slippage under heavy use. However, on second thought now, separately strongly consider strong epoxy glue (plastic epoxy 5 minute cure) for the exit water pipes as that will never let loose...epoxy down there on the new grey water pipes would make it completely bulletproof never will open up again (permanent).

@jabbertwardy Жыл бұрын

"David and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day" Hoping for a better day next time!

@pamelaselmer3270 Жыл бұрын

David we understand your problem… it’s winter here so we just say our brain is in hibernation…

@philgray1023 Жыл бұрын

I learned a trick from Mr Koubou. Use double sided tape to locate items you are going to screw onto other things. Also never underestimate Velcro. We all have these days. Hopefully mine isn't today. Also plumbers tape on pump hose tails, or 316 hose clamp.

@jamesa7506 Жыл бұрын

😀 if it all went together perfectly the first go round your head might swell up with the hot air of pride and then your hat wouldn't fit! You're actually saving money in the long run... Thank God for the learning curve. 👍😉

@lilbatz Жыл бұрын

We all have wonky brain days. I was returning an item back via FedEx. The clerk and I could not figure out why the QRS code was not working I was at a UPS store, not FedEx. Neither of us realized it until we really looked at the form. 🤣 Wish I could go back to bed and start over!

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Hahaha that's hilarious!!

@familyw5661 Жыл бұрын

LOL one of those days your brain "just isn't functioning" so good. Love it David great job!

@lilbatz Жыл бұрын

You did a wonderful job staining and varnishing. Love the way the counter top looks.💪💕

@brianlopez8855 Жыл бұрын

I can breath again now David, thanks for putting up Part 2. Come on break out the wine and get your hammer out to 'sort it'. Get the catches on too David don't skimp. Stick a nice jubilee clip on the pump pipe outlet to the rigid white pipe. Put some pdfe tape on the waste outlet connector

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Cheers! The waste outlet is all sorted in the next video 😀

@NeverlandSystemAngel Жыл бұрын

I found this series through a friend that watches your narrowboat adventures (which I don't particularly find interesting- I'm a van life fan)... but these, especially the build process and renovation process vids... these amaze me. I love your handiness and your creativity, and that you share HOW you did it all- even if not a "tutorial". Great stuff man. Great stuff! Can't wait to see what adventures you have in this wonderful van.

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@Richard.oo7 Жыл бұрын

This was like watching the Chuckle Brothers. Only without the other brother. Good effort nevertheless 👍

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

To me, to me...

@Richard.oo7 Жыл бұрын

@@Vandemonium To you, to you...

@terrycook8914 Жыл бұрын

You did well to not just give up and walk away! Any progress is good progress, and I think you're doing really well with the remake. I'm looking forward to the next installment! :0)

@davedanic1288 Жыл бұрын

Yes David, been there, done that! Ugh!!

@esiebert7625 Жыл бұрын

I think the countertop is fine as is as long as you don’t flip the van 😂 that one corner will eventually settle down, clamp it for a week if you want to speed it up.

@billharris6886 Жыл бұрын

Hi David, if your head becomes foggy, I find it is best to take a break or continue the project the next day. If I try to push myself to follow through in that condition, I end up making a lot of mistakes and, in severe cases, injuring myself. That flexible drain hose you are trying to use looks like electrical conduit so, sealing it against leaks may be problematic. If you visit your auto parts store, you may be able to find an engine coolng system molded hose (by measuring/trial and error) that fits perfectly, is flexible, and non-kinking. Don't obsess over getting that cook top perfect, you can always refine it later as you come upon new ideas. Note that if the cook top fits tight when assembled, it may be impossible to remove on higher humidity days due to the wood swelling.

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Cheers; it is actually dedicated caravan waste hose, seriously!

@billharris6886 Жыл бұрын

@@Vandemonium Interesting, never would have guessed!

@maarten_notjustagrip Жыл бұрын

Oh David! All you needed was a little cube at each front corner of the cabinet, stuck underneath the worktop, and jobs a goodun.

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Go big or go home!! 🤣

@davidoickle1778 Жыл бұрын

@@Vandemonium Maarten de Groot took my very comment. Oh well!

@henrywilliam8506 Жыл бұрын

Van Morrison, ’Days Like This.’

@alisonmani3114 Жыл бұрын

Bless you, David. I understand those kind of days. Well done for getting the sink sorted, anyway.

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@peterengel7885 Жыл бұрын

Well you did a bang up job. pat yourself on the back. Must be cosmic intervention because you ended up just how I would have done it. Time and space who would have known......

@loughkb Жыл бұрын

Use the straight pipe for your pump. Then, down at the pump, drill a small pilot hole through the side of the pipe into the bit of pipe on the pump and put a small stainless steel screw through to keep them together. 🙂

@tomtruesdale6901 Жыл бұрын

I have heard it said that "custom" anything is really "Cuss em" soundly. I have also had those days where I measure something twice, cut it once and find it is wrong. Ugggg time to sit in the moaning chair (every shop has one) and rethink the project. Hang in there David, you can and will do it.

@spotweld Жыл бұрын

somehow it makes me feel better when you have troubles. Something almost always goes wrong for me, no such thing as a 10 minute job..

@janebrown3587 Жыл бұрын

Don't forget to Thumbs Up this video!

@Lego6980 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this - I can totally relate to this kind of frustrating DIY day, when you think you’re going to achieve ‘x’ and then all these crappy little things conspire so you only achieve ‘x-5’ plus zero satisfaction. Thankfully, as we’ve seen in your other videos, most days go better. Can’t win ‘em all.

@propulsar Жыл бұрын

Some days are just like that. No matter what you try to do it all just goes wrong. It doesn't fit, won't stay on, falls down etc.etc. Tomorrow it will all drop into place and everything will be like a well oiled machine.

@eekee6034 Жыл бұрын

I have days like that so often, I'm afraid to start anything. It's getting to the point where I've got to try to do stuff anyway. I actually had a panic attack last week which I can trace back to never really feeling like I've _done_ anything in the last 16 years.

@jigglerjohn Жыл бұрын

Instead of fitting bolts at the doorway end of the worktop, just drill a couple clearance holes through the carcass wood and screw through them into your new bit of wood attached onto the bottom of the worktop. They'll be covered by the detachable gable end anyhow! Pencil in a note to your future self that they're the screws to remove to lift off the worktop.

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

I don't want to screw it though, the idea is to make it removable without tools if I want to 😀

@evelynsutton4411 Жыл бұрын

What patience! There will be much satisfaction when it is all done, but my goodness it is a maddening job! l hope it doesn't dtive you mad in the meantime!

@literyAZ09 Жыл бұрын

Great work! Its normal. Sometimes these days come and there is nothing to do with it.

@kathyjohnson2043 Жыл бұрын

Yesterday I had to correct 20 different documents to be accurate and in harmony with each other; I couldn't remember for even a few seconds which one i had just changed or which ones still needed attention!

@joopjansen9102 Жыл бұрын

I've learned to recognise "those" days as such and quit - leave while I'm ahead (or behind, as the case may be). You plough on where I couldn't - in my case, stuff would go full fubar. Take care & stay safe.

@debbie62140 Жыл бұрын

David, I do love your videos. As a retired boatbuilder, I find myself shouting at the screen with advice, even though I know you probably finished the job days/weeks ago. All you needed to do is fix a small flat, wider piece of wood on the far batten that you screwed under the worktop so it slides under the cabinet frame by a few mm, then simply put a single screw through the top of the near frame into the batten near the sink. No need at all for catches or bolts, and really easy to undo if you need to remove the worktop.

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

I'm trying to avoid screws!

@johndagle4249 Жыл бұрын

David, I see myself in your frustration. Many a DIY project where, "what was i thinking becomes the mantra"!! Just a thought but. If you can hook or pin the back edge down under the back Rail you could mount the bolts onto 3/8" thick blocks on the underside of the work surface and slide it in holes drilled in the front rail..

@janebrown3587 Жыл бұрын

Hey hey - it's looking pretty spiffy! 👍

@Galerak1 Жыл бұрын

I like the idea of having the worktop easily removeable but I'm not sure those little draw bolts are the way forward. They'll be fine while you are stationary but unless you make sure there is some pressure needed to draw the bolt into it's locked position you may find that they rattle about while the van is in motion, maybe even enough to vibrate all the way to the unlocked position (depending on orientation of course).

@Galerak1 Жыл бұрын

Maybe a strip of thin foam draft excluder strip or some such device on the top of the cabinet, then have the draw bolts positioned so that you need to press down on the worktop, crushing the foam, to fasten the draw bolts. That should keep enough pressure on the bolts to stop them vibrating loose and will also prevent any wood-on-wood squeekage that may occur due to the worktop not being permanently attached to the cabinet.

@t1n4444 Жыл бұрын

Interesting to see what you are getting up to now you're ashore. At the risk of teaching you to suck eggs might I suggest that IF you encountered any "snits" (snits = trapped dust particles or tiny bugs) on the varnished work surface you might try the following to get rid of said snits. Best to allow the varnish to dry thoroughly. Use wire fleece (unbelievably fine wire wool) coated with "proper" wax polish and "gently" rub over the surface of varnish. As for plumbing issues then you might consider using self amalgamating tape wrapped and lapped over any joints. I have used this method very successfully when mating drain pipes to existing pipes attached to through hull fittings. Would suggest it is better to err on the side of generosity when applying the tape. Further suggest you are very careful to apply tension on the tape when wrapping.

@stevealharris6669 Жыл бұрын

Hope for the best - the DIY mantra i live by.

@hectorshouse7348 Жыл бұрын

Oh, the frustration of ‘jobs’. Nice work though 😃👍

@craigbowie8925 Жыл бұрын

Yes I have days like that David

@lynmoore8355 Жыл бұрын

well done

@linz_in_NZ Жыл бұрын

You've probably sorted the waste pipe by now - I was thinking, make a full loop with the white flexible pipe to give you a trap, then go into the waste tank. I really don't like that hard plastic fluted pipe - I got some that is smooth inside, its so much better, more flexible and can be clamped too.

@StuartLomas Жыл бұрын

Plasticised/Rubberised curved pipes can be straightened by putting it in boiling water, make it soft, out it on level surface with a straight edge either side & it will cool straight!

@pilpelet100 Жыл бұрын

When you get days like that it's better to just give it up and come back to it the following day!

@dmcarpenter2470 Жыл бұрын

David, enjoyable vid. That you show the rough with the smooth makes it "real".

@fairmania Жыл бұрын

I too have had many a day like this. I have learned to walk away, as to continue as you did can end up self-defeating. Great progress so far, I felt your pain far too clearly, so please take it easy!

@okcantbelieveit294 Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, slip sliding away! Paul Simon with glasses!!! Wonder if he’s ever fitted out a camper van??? Have a cheese sandwich and a nice cup of ???? 😂😂😂😂

@isobelchapman9548 Жыл бұрын

Ach David, talk about a gamut of emotions!! What a day you had, I’m exhausted watching you!!!

@leop3009 Жыл бұрын

You might have to use pvc glue for the connector pipe on your drain ... then guarantee no leaks 😁

@cbeuck5024 Жыл бұрын

The trials and tribulations of a DYO😡... I would have had something stronger than a (usually restorative) cuppa! Can I say I enjoy (I know it's weird to say) these vlogs.... childhood and my very handy dad...memories Good luck with the sink ..isn't there a waterproof tape for pipe joins? Jan Adelaide

@centauri61032 Жыл бұрын

"Drats! I cut it twice and it's still too short!!"

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Hahaha yes!!

@jamesellsworth9673 Жыл бұрын

@KerrikkiLurgan Жыл бұрын

Such a tight fit!

@Rovinman Жыл бұрын

Try Plastic pipe cement, works on all types of plastic pipe ! Also you could try turning the basin outlet round to point to the waste bottle ! Keep going ! Stu xx

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Haha wait for the next episode!! 😉

@lightdark00 Жыл бұрын

Time to make the engine modular too!

@shirleylynch7529 Жыл бұрын

Oh dear not a good day for you. But knowing your talents you will succeed. Well done on another great video .

@Vandemonium Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

@Size15s Жыл бұрын

If you get a tape measure like the Hultafors TALM3 3m Talmeter Marking Measuring Tape you can use it to transfer and mark the distances rather than measure them. I find that I avoid mistakes that way. FastCap tape measures can be marked on the tape with a pencil and simply rubbed clean with a slightly damp finger. They do a flatback tape that is useful in some situations

@gafrers Жыл бұрын

Great job

@dugclrk Жыл бұрын

Some days it's best to just find another project to do, or just go take a nap and start over. My boss likes to keep pushing on to the point the damage is done then start over.