Varia VS3 - Can It Out-Grind Its Ghost?

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The Varia VS3 is fantastic on paper - can this do it all grinder survive in the real world?
Let's dive into this weeks review, the Varia VS3 Grinder.
0:00 - Varia VS3 Overview
1:03 - Workflow & Build
1:50 - Burr Business
2:23 - Taste On Filter
2:46 - Demo & Taste On Espresso
4:30 - Tests Galore!
4:46 - Sound Level Test
5:08 - Retention and Exchange Test
6:47 - Stress Tests
7:44 - Grind Timing Test
7:54 - Fine Tuning on Espresso
8:17 - Cleaning and Internals
10:07 - The Brown Zone
11:10 - Competitor Comparison
12:56 - My Take
14:07 - The Ghost of VS3

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@lilteyang
@lilteyang 18 күн бұрын
A little birdy told me Varia failed to pay the last installment of payments to its first Chinese manufacturer - due to non-specified reasons - and the manufacturer decided to sell the last batch of VS3 under different brand names to recoup their lost, hence the ridiculous amount of VS3 knockoffs on Aliexpress. This is also why Varia came out with a gen 2 less than a year after gen 1 hit the market: they got another manufacturer and made minor adjustments, such as switching "from 38mm burrs to 48mm burrs (wink)"
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
I wish I had unearthed this when doing my discovery! 😮‍💨🤣 If there is a public forum/post I’d love to see it!
@lilteyang
@lilteyang 18 күн бұрын
@@DaddyGotCoffee only if you are fluent in Mandarin😉 to be fair to Varia: judging from the abundance of lagom mini knock-offs, it was bound to happen to VS3 regardless, fail-of-payment notwithstanding. It's just that for once, the perpetrator actually have a semblance of a reason to do so🤣
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
@@lilteyang sometimes I think one of the best things I could do for the quality of my reviews (and the research that goes into making them!) is learn Mandarin 🤣☕️ Thanks for dropping this!
@wenderis
@wenderis 18 күн бұрын
aahh.. thats why it's becoming relatively easy to find Varia knockoffs grinder here in Indonesia (around $180-200)
@Stan_sprinkle
@Stan_sprinkle 18 күн бұрын
13:51 oh man that power supply is a deal breaker
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
Not a fan of this either. Great to see other manufacturers moving away from these slowly.
@dr.saadawy
@dr.saadawy 12 күн бұрын
that is one of the best Varia VS3's reviews I have seen on KZfaq! thank you so much! I'm getting one after watching this.
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 12 күн бұрын
Thank you so much!
@SueKong-cs8vh
@SueKong-cs8vh 14 күн бұрын
thanks for pointing out the reddit forums. this is so true. i have vs3 gen1 and 2, fellow ode, timemore sculptor, and df64v. they all make good cups of coffee. in terms of just longevity and build quality , fellow is the way to go. my gen1 broke when i started doing more espresso. you save 50 dollars with the varia but you need to be fine with having a useless brick and brick on your countertop in a year or two. i took gen 1 apart. it's cheap inside compared to the fellow ode and even df grinders. going to sell my gen2 soon.
@jamesprecious1035
@jamesprecious1035 17 күн бұрын
Justin, I bought this grinder along with my Ascaso Duo after watching your great review of said machine. I'm loving both and think they each represent a very good value proposition in today's coffee world. I have been using the grinder for both filter and espresso coffee. With espresso I'm finding that RDT is really only necessary with darker roast beens which is what my wife drinks. I drink light to med roasts and find that I can get any bean dialed in for a 30 second shot within about 3 trys. It's very interesting how far the spread can bee from roast to roast. For light to med I find I'm between 3 and 3.7. For my wife's dark roast I'm dropping down to 2.5. I bought Black in both machines and I just hide the power block of the Varia VS3 behind the Duo so there is no unsightliness on the counter. I'm thinking I might try one of the better bur options to see if I can get an even better espresso shot. Thanks for your work on this channel. I'm very happy that I discovered Daddy Got Coffee. Cheers from Vancouver.
@tgross472
@tgross472 18 күн бұрын
Great review! I really appreciate that you include more budget friendly options in your reviews. You mentioned the DF54 but didn't bring up the SK40? Why not? It's virtually a direct competition, and it would be great to see them compared head to head.
@karash501
@karash501 13 күн бұрын
I am returning my Varia for the grond dial drifting issue and I will probably go for the new Lagom Casa. Funny thing is that varia has not updated the manual for the gen2. You can tell that from the specs part and the rpm(they have changed the rpm in gen2) so maybe the light roast would not be an issue in the gen2. However, I still have concerns about the longevity and the grind dial drifting issue is also so frustrating. I also want to mention that Eightounce customer service is fabulous! If you wanna get it at lease get it from a trustworthy retailer such as Eightounce.
@ConstantMotionJS
@ConstantMotionJS 13 күн бұрын
I went through Eight Ounce as well for both Gen 1 and 2 breaking and completely agree. They are a phenomenal company. I buy through them whenever possible.
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 10 күн бұрын
I love the eight ounce team as well!
@Walkuerus
@Walkuerus 16 күн бұрын
0:10 Am I the only one having some artefacts in the image (not only at 10 seconds, happened sometimes in the video)? Changing the video quality doesn't seem to effect it. Maybe a rendering issue? Anyway, great review. Didnt know this grinder exists and now I'll maybe want one?!
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 15 күн бұрын
Let me look at this more closely next time I’m at my desk!
@user-qt5xh9mt7x
@user-qt5xh9mt7x 18 күн бұрын
Brother, where is the full Mazzer Philos review?
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
Hoping to have this out within the next few weeks!
@ZacharyPinder
@ZacharyPinder 17 күн бұрын
Good review but really wish you had done a deeper dive on those burrs. They do change the price and experience of the grinder very significantly in my experience.
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 17 күн бұрын
I’ll put a burr comparison on the list 🤝☕️
@coreycannon4511
@coreycannon4511 12 күн бұрын
Definitely! The only review of the different burrs is from a seller of the grinder.
@ciruscoffee4290
@ciruscoffee4290 18 күн бұрын
Hi! Love to see burrs comparison of this grinder
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
This is a great idea!
@evanssabbi
@evanssabbi 17 күн бұрын
I have owner a Varia VS3 since June 2023. The motor died last week, two days before the one year mark and I’m working with Varia and they are going to send me a replacement unit. (I will use it as a secondary grinder because I just purchased a Fiorenzato AllGround Sense). The Varia looks amazing, made great coffee (mainly medium roast espresso and some filter), the magnetic accents around the dosing cup and chute are satisfying to use. The biggest issue I had with it was the ground size selectors drifts towards a coarser setting with every grind. If I set to setting 3 by the end of 18g espresso grind it will be at 3.05, so I had to constantly readjust to keep things consistent. Otherwise it’s a great grinder for the price.
@ConstantMotionJS
@ConstantMotionJS 17 күн бұрын
Good luck. I had gen 1 and 2 and both had the gears shred. They will probably replace it but it might break again. It is a common issue.
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 15 күн бұрын
Man lucky timing on that!
@karash501
@karash501 13 күн бұрын
was it the gen1 or gen2?
@ConstantMotionJS
@ConstantMotionJS 13 күн бұрын
@@karash501I had both. Gen 1 and it broke and got it replaced and then gen 2 and it broke and I got my money back and decided to not buy a grinder from Varia again. Now I have a Timemore 078s and love it. It’s too bad. The VS3 looks super cool (though it is painfully high pitch when grinding). They should just charge a little more and put gears that will not break.
@bacca71
@bacca71 17 күн бұрын
Nice review - honest and succinct! As a 'mostly espresso' drinker, I find the very small wiggle room for grind fineness concerning. You ground it more coarsely than the mfg recommend (3-4), over their 1-2 setting. Likely insufficient for a variety of drinks or roasts or dosing sizes (say extra fine for 8g single-dose espresso or 22+g for 1:1 ristretto, 1:2 normale or a 1:3 lungo). These require significantly different grind settings on my grinder. Then there is Turkish coffee. Thanks for the review.
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 15 күн бұрын
I hear you, personally even accounting for singles it’s pretty fine but not totally unreasonable at the price. Turkish is a bit of a different animal
@SchneckerlProhaska
@SchneckerlProhaska 18 күн бұрын
Your videos are great! Can you tell me, which single dosing grinder is your favourite? Also, what do you think of the Ascaso Duo Steel PID Plus? Cheers mate!
@HomeBaristaNZ
@HomeBaristaNZ 18 күн бұрын
I’ve got the gen2 since November 2023 and I agree with everything you’ve said, about the powerbank, the Matt finish accumulating coffee etc but that’s all superficial, I quite enjoy the coffee it produces at a very affordable price point. Also, in my research before buying, most of the dead ones were gen 1, varia updated the motor in gen 2. Let’s hope it doesn’t die after a year. lol
@HomeBaristaNZ
@HomeBaristaNZ 18 күн бұрын
Also, I bought their AKU scale at the same time as the vs3, I had an issue with the scale - it just died. The customer service was great, they sent a new one, which unfortunately for me, had stability issues but again the customer service were super awesome and refunded my money for the scale in full. I was very pleased with the outcome.
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
This is great to hear on the customer service! Anything negative I have seen there has been on forum posts only. My experience has only been positive
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
I really debated whether or not to hit this as hard because of the G2 updates. However, there is a clear track record of failures and the G2 updates have yet to (IMO) prove themselves in the long run. Also, when varias own manual says to use caution with light roasts, that’s a warning to me. They very well could be fine but I felt like it did need to be highlighted. Besides that, very solid and good tasting grinder overall
@HomeBaristaNZ
@HomeBaristaNZ 17 күн бұрын
@@DaddyGotCoffee I agree with everything you’ve mentioned in the review, I’m glad that you mentioned manual advising caution with light roasts. It’s not something I’ve seen in other reviews, I feel like you’ve been fair and unbiased as I experience those things as a user and it was a very good review. People who rely on KZfaq reviews need to know the risk they are taking and that they are making an informed decision.
@ConstantMotionJS
@ConstantMotionJS 17 күн бұрын
@@DaddyGotCoffeeI had gen 1 and gen 2. Both had the gears shred. The gen 2 broke on medium roast slow fed… I did actually take both apart before returning and they had the identical issue of gears shredding. (I have pictures for both) Also, I would say the high pitch squeal of it running was pretty horrible to us. After the gen 2 broke I gave up on Varia and switched to 078S and so glad I did. Side note: I got my Varia through Eight Ounce Coffee and they are such an incredible company.
@travdanek
@travdanek 17 күн бұрын
While a good looking grinder, the external power supply is an unfortunate design choice. From your review and others, it seems to perform well all around which is what I want in a grinder. If they can fix the longevity problem and integrate the power supply into the body of the grinder, I would have one on my counter. Great review! Oh and who makes the bean dosing cup you are using? Love the look of it👌🏻
@marty_k87
@marty_k87 17 күн бұрын
Great video, thanks. I was initially interested in this because of the good reviews but then i started to find the issues you have mentioned... Now im not sure I want to take the risk?! I have contemplated trying the non varia version for 1/2 the price from AliExpress/Alibaba 🤷‍♂️
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 15 күн бұрын
I don’t trust much from alibaba, especially when it’s clearly ripped from an existing product. I get that supply chains and offshore manufacturing are complex but I have a hard time supporting that
@jensdriesen7049
@jensdriesen7049 17 күн бұрын
I have a gen 2 for 6 months and the grind dial shifted a lot when grinding. It wasn’t consistent anymore. Varia customer support isn’t good they say they can’t do anything about it and i needed to contact my seller. I got a new one luckily but who knows for how long… i’m very happy with it it makes GREAT espresso but be aware if u want one buy it from a good seller
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 17 күн бұрын
Thanks for dropping this feedback, I have not had any issues with drifting so this is helpful. Let us know how your experience is with the seller!
@jackgtravis
@jackgtravis 17 күн бұрын
@@DaddyGotCoffeeI have the exact same issue, seems fairly common and it’s always intermittent, I find it disappears for like a week then comes back, really frustrating
@ymditiw
@ymditiw 15 күн бұрын
This issue infuriated me for a while but it can be solved by applying ample food grade grease on the hopper thread. This issue hasn't bugged me ever since. I apply grease everytime after I clean it. It doesn't worry me much since food grade grease is cheap. It's kind of a hassle though. But overall, happy with this grinder!!
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 15 күн бұрын
@@ymditiw this is a great tip that I can pass on to others!
@peterwood2633
@peterwood2633 14 күн бұрын
How does grease help something stay pit when it reduces friction? I have a white vs3 gen 2 and 58mm varia cup for dispatch in 2 days! Hope I don't get a lemon
@ciruscoffee4290
@ciruscoffee4290 14 күн бұрын
Hi, my vs3 is stalling after 30sec of grinding medium light beans, yet i do slow feeding
@zachhenning3614
@zachhenning3614 18 күн бұрын
I saw you use the Avensi cups. Those are the BEST! Also if you are gonna get the Varia VS3 for 299 and the Option o Casa for 389. Do you think the $90 price difference is worth the bump to get the casa or is it only if you prefer light roasts. I typically grind light to medium coffees. Great review by the way as always. Yours have become some of my favorite reviews!
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
Thank you so much!! I really enjoyed both grinders at their respective price points. On medium and medium darks I often gravitated to the VS3 in a side by side, although I’m not sure I would have said that unless I actually had the two shots side by side. Light roasts I preferred the Casa every time. The Casa has some drawbacks which I covered in my review. If they aren’t deal breakers it sounds like you would enjoy it. Also the Casa is one of the lowest retention grinders I have tested! The VS3 is still compelling at price though ☕️ Not sure if that helps! 🤣
@zachhenning3614
@zachhenning3614 18 күн бұрын
@@DaddyGotCoffee It definitely helps. Thank you so much!
@rcj190
@rcj190 17 күн бұрын
I'm considering this grinder that's for the review DGC. I'm also considering the rancillio STILE. DGC CAN YOU PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a review on this grinder because there's not much out there that does the breakdown like you... Just my opinion. All the best!
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 17 күн бұрын
The Stile is on my list! However, a huge part of this decision is single dosing vs on demand (hopper grinders). If you are switching beans a lot, I would almost discount any hopper grinders. If you almost only have one bag on the go at a time, an on demand grinder can be a good and convenient option. Big price jump between those two as well!
@rcj190
@rcj190 16 күн бұрын
Always appreciate your opinion dgc. I've been doing a lot of research on varia since this review I'm deciding to pass on it. Seems when it's working it's pretty good and competitively priced but the cons outweigh the pros and for me that's a deal breaker imo. As always keep up the great work and I'll be watching. 👍
@JuanMartinez-jp3do
@JuanMartinez-jp3do 4 күн бұрын
Are you planing to review the Orbit? And maybe compare Orbit vs Zerno vs Philos? Thanks
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 4 күн бұрын
I’ll reach out to their team and see if I can get my hands on a unit 😊🫡☕️ You aren’t the first to ask me about the orbit!
@JuanMartinez-jp3do
@JuanMartinez-jp3do 4 күн бұрын
Many thanks. I have the LX Italia Edison 65. I change the burrs by the SSP HU and it is working super well. Now I am looking for a SD experience and I am in between those 3. I love the Mazzer but I want to listen from you before buying. I love your reviews, the details, clear explanation and first of all, honesty. Many thanks!
@palefire
@palefire 18 күн бұрын
It’s -> its
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
🤝☕️💪
@brownzys7299
@brownzys7299 18 күн бұрын
Ive got mine since christmas now. Big issue for me is using the bellows being necessary and it makes a huge mess
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
Are you using RDT? That made a huge difference for me and I was able to get by mostly without the bellows after I had about 2kg through the grinder. Relative humidity and the coffee you are using could have an impact here as well. I’m at about 60% and using mostly medium-lights. Darker will get more staticky. Regardless, static can certainly be an issue here!
@brownzys7299
@brownzys7299 18 күн бұрын
@@DaddyGotCoffee thank you for the tip. I am using rdt and medium dark roasted coffee. My Issue is more that the long Distance from Spout to the Dosingcup makes a lot of the fines miss when Using the bellows resulting in a messy Counterspace. Im gonna try not using the bellows and just giving the grinder a good whack :)
@bbbo85
@bbbo85 18 күн бұрын
Forget the power supply. It dying right on warranty time is THE deal breaker. As long as alignment is solid, I'd rather have hefty plastic grinder that keeps on chugging than fancy metal grinder that will break after a year. That's sad cause I was only hearing interesting things about VS3.
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
For what it’s worth, a lot of the problem components have supposedly been updated. But.. that still needs more time to be proven IMO. Absolutely fair criticism
@pdxrunner
@pdxrunner 18 күн бұрын
O wonder if the"finger guard" is also an anti-popcorn accessory.
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
If it is it could be more effective 🤣
@brownzys7299
@brownzys7299 16 күн бұрын
I really enjoy the juicy sweet taste profile of the varia. What would be a similar tasting grinder? Flat burr with ssp Cast?
@brownzys7299
@brownzys7299 16 күн бұрын
Im allso not opposed to a hand or Manual grinder
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 15 күн бұрын
I should A/B them against the SSP line in a side by side. I would say they are not 100% in line with any of them but the cast may be the closest. They remind me of some of the nicer timemore hand grinder burrs
@ahmadrodli6227
@ahmadrodli6227 18 күн бұрын
actually, i'm wondering. can we replace varia burr with another manufacturer burr? e.g Timemore, Lagom mini, etc
@DaddyGotCoffee
@DaddyGotCoffee 18 күн бұрын
I probably wouldn’t recommend this because of the structure of the outer burr casing, and I wouldn’t recommend just changing the inner burr
@user-qt5xh9mt7x
@user-qt5xh9mt7x 18 күн бұрын
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