You are absolutely not alone in this. Not that great value can’t be found in other grinders at lower price points, but these points stand.

What configuration do you get for $1200?

@@iwouldpayattentiona 7 months wait 😅

Or maybe longer.

Does anyone know if there are any Chinese copies or similar models of this?

Thank you!

Killer combo! And yes, I like the color match!

Yup! Standard burrs work too. Should have mentioned that more clearly!

It’s a powder coat silver paint finish with a clear coat! It’s no longer available but a comeback at some point has been rumoured…

I have done the same - the 078 is superior in so many ways over the Niche for filter. Can’t imagine a Zerno is going to be much better with a smaller 64mm burr tbh

Awesome! Thanks for this. The Niche Zero is a great grinder. Flat burr grinders are a whole other world to get into!

I have the Niche Zero and while I haven't really branched out from espresso since I've gotten it, I have needed to do batch brew a couple times and one friend really just wanted drip from a pour over, so I'm back looking into cleaning up my grind profile..... Lance Hedrick and Wired Gourmet... and I believe James Hoffman ( it's tickling my memory but it would have been something I watched a long time ago before I actually invested, so the video would probably be 2 years old at this point, all have videos related to microdosing or feeding the beans in extremely slowly so they grind at the same rate, and having fewer beans within the Burrs bouncing around and regrinding and mashing against each other trying to get out of the machine means you end up with less fines and a more uniform grind even from the Zero! Just saying you might find a success in an experiment with the grinder you have before investing in a new one 😉

@@DaddyGotCoffee Actually the Zerno website provides excellent information about the different types of burrs and why you would choose one over the other.

@@NoZenith I love my Niche Zero and I'm not looking to purchase another grinder. I just enjoyed this Zerno review and think the Zerno looks cool, and is a very good grinder. I saw Lance's recent video about slow feeding the beans, but I have not tried doing it. I did see on Reddit where someone placed a piece of clear tape on the NFC disk to make the hole slightly smaller-thus causing the beans to feed slower. I might try that next time I clean my grinder : )

@NativeNewYorker66 yeah I was actually going to buy a new NFC disc so I can cut extra holes out to make it feed faster before I saw The Wired Gourmet video about Niche Zero Pourover microdosing. They even have a three-hole NFC disc on Etsy but I'm fine with the way it is now 😆

Just borrowed from a friend! Sadly now returned and no longer with me!

Absolutely a solid choice! I have one on the test bench!

@@DaddyGotCoffeethat was quick 😅😌

I’m a relative newbie to espresso (cappuccino, really). Used a 1Zpresso K (or whatever it’s called) while waiting for the Zerno to arrive. Despite having unrefined tastebuds, I was really shocked, pleasantly, by the difference once the Zerno arrived. Can’t describe it other than to say it tasted “clearer” and more pronounced. Haven’t looked back.

@@KC-ge9wq thanks for the feedback man. I have a BPlus Apollo hand grinder (and Robot Espresso machine). I am not experienced enough with other conical grinders only a few, a certainly zero experience on Flats, so I have no idea what to expect. Hence I don’t know whether to invest on a conical or a flat for my endgame grinder. Your feedback gives me some idea what to expect though. And also loving the capability of Zerno to replace burrs so easily, in hope that will open new tasting palette horizons.

Unfavorably.

Hahahahahaha

They are VERY different approaches to pre breaking and managing feed rates, but they are both very effective. When I first saw the Philos auger I thought it would feed super aggressively and maybe not prebreak very much - neither are true. It has a very large volume pre breaking chamber and the beans spin around in there a lot more than they do on the zerno before being delivered to the burrs. It seems to me to be accomplishing a pseudo slow feed and it still absolutely demolishes the beans. Zerno will offer multiple auger options, I don’t ever see mazzer offering this. Mazzers approach is unique and innovative. Very nice to see a fresh take here, especially one that works so well. Once I get my production run-philos I will absolutely be doing a deep dive here

@@DaddyGotCoffeeI'm trying to decide between the Zerno and Philos so I'd really appreciate a comparison review, or even just a full review of the Phiolos if that's possible. Thank you!

@DaddyGotCoffee Thank you for the reply. Looking forward to you getting in the deep end, with the final production unit of the philos. 👍👍

@carlosroldan8910 : So this isn't perfect but hopefully helps. When you brew coffee you're pretty much trying to pull all the nice oils and flavours from your grounds. You can speed this up and slow this down using a few factors - hotter water, agitation so the water rubs off the coffee more, pressure and the size of the grounds. For size, what happens is the finer we grind our coffee, the more surface area of the coffee we end up exposing so we've got more area for the water to come in contact in so we can extract faster and so brew quicker. When we extract coffee, it'll go through three different stages of flavour. The first parts are sour, the middle bits are sweet and the end bits are bitter typically. Say we had two different sizes of coffee grounds, one really big and one tiny and brew those together. The really big ones don't have as much surface area exposed so they'll extract slower and probably only get to the sour stage of the drink. The really fine ones are exposing way more so they're easier to extract faster, so we'll likely get to the bitter point faster. These two combined will give us a bit of a bad taste if it's distinctly sour and bitter coffee only. If we instead have grounds where they're all roughly in the middle and the same size, we'll only end up getting all the really sweet bits in our finished drink and it'll be fab (simplification). You might think that you only ever want these middle bits in your drink but an up side to having the smaller particles is you'll get a bit more coffee oil in your drink and the mouthfeel / texture ends up a bit thicker feeling which is quite nice. If you only go with medium or large size, you get less oil and a thinner feeling drink. When it comes to burrs, one good way of looking at them is a spectrum between being really good at getting everything to be the same size of ground so you get only one, "best" taste from your coffee - this is normally called clarity. On the other side, you get burrs which have a wider spread of sizes and they're generally pushed towards blending / texture. Why would you go for one over the other? Say you have a really specific, fruity or floral coffee that you want to get a really clear flavour from, you'll probably want a burr where it can be really precise and give you the most of that specific thing you want. On the other hand, say you've got a blended coffee where you want a very smooth chocolatey flavour with lots of texture and no sharpness, then a burr that has a wider range between big and small will give you more of that. The down side of the clear burr, is since it's going to have a very specific setting to get the really nice sweet bit from a coffee and nothign else, if you get that setting wrong, that particular cup of coffee might end up being very sour or bitter until you get the right dialing setting or make other adjustments to your coffee process that would affect how it comes out. On the other hand the burr with the much wider range is going to average out things more and be more forgiving but you'll never get the absolute best out of a really specific coffee since you're going to get a larger proportion of big and small along with those middle sweet bits you wanted - this is often called "muddy". So ultimately, a burr is designed to go towards either clarity or blendiness, depending on what type of drink you want to make. The most clear burrs totally sacrifice any really tiny grounds and because of that you'll find it way harder to make a traditional espresso since you need those to build enough pressure and get lots of texture, likewise the most blendy burrs have such a wide range that you'll never be able to make really delicate, tea like and floral tasting pour over drinks with it. I've been searching for a "good enough" middle ground do all burr, knowing I'm going to sacrifice the very best of both ends but I'll be happy enough with that, they do exist too. You can almost compare grinder burrs to an equalizer on an audio system - do you want something with lots of bass, mid and treble for an overall full sound, or if you're only listening to violin concertos, do you want something that emphasizes only the frequencies that a violin hangs out in? What a lot of people do is get two grinders where often a cheapy hand grinder can give you amazing grounds for the other type of coffee that you don't drink as often to go along with your pricey electric grinder that you use for 90% of your drinks. The zerno in this case makes it very very convenient and repeatable for you to swap your burrs in about 10 minutes so it's a bit of a game changer for a home user to get both best of, extremes of burrs and swap them depending on what type of coffee they're making. hope this helps!

The nice thing here is you can change it. As someone with a white setup and kitchen I would prefer a white cable if I was buying!

They did. Short answer here - The other changes to the chute etc have a bigger impact on static/retention than the ion generator. I would not be shocked to see this removed at some point.

As of the most recent batch, the ionizer has been removed

Thanks to both. I just asked because it looked like more buildup around the exit nozzle (see 9:50) than I would expect for RDT and an ionizer although it does look like a very fine grind.

@@Justin-yx4bq this clip was taken without using RDT to show the buildup ☺️ it’s for this reason I recommend using RDT with this grinder. It’s PRETTY good as is, but even with the changes to the chute and ionizer on this unit it still warrants Rdt (IMO)

@@DaddyGotCoffeeah got it. thanks for the clarification.

Hahahahaha believe it or not I’ll often take an Ascaso Duo! Sometimes a Newton

Saving for this ☕️ But wow it’s a jump. Mostly because I do slo mo and crop in to get several compositions from the same clip. Currently shooting on an FX30!

@@DaddyGotCoffee Thaths great keep up teh good work i just discovered you today and already watched about half of your videos

Great burr!

It’s looks aren’t for everyone (as with any grinder). I was more mixed initially. It really grew on me over the course of my testing.

I couldn't possibly disagree more. Unlike the China-made tin cans with a bellows on top, this Zerno has the aesthetics and style to truly match the performance and flexibility it offers.

​@@fillflashdetailer8838 Well said! 👍

Lmao dude spot on about the apple stand. Or a white compact fire extinguisher.

@@xhynetuseinovski Compare it to those ridiculous tin cans with bellows on top coming out of China... This Zerno is a beauty in comparison.

It’s not for everyone - I will say, it grew on me!

Would be like comparing a swatch and a Lange and sohne watch

@@earlycheese6083 Spot on! The Lange also makes worse coffee because it has less features ... Uhm, what?

LOL Rasen, what are you smoking. The Zerno build quality and customer service are light years ahead of DF/Turin. That's like comparing a Ford Focus to a Porsche.

@@JeepBigE The former is a soft criterion. Coffee's worse with static RPM, fact. Also - you won't need the customer service if the build quality is that amazing in the first place.

Never been compared to Nixon before. If you disagree with anything specific I’ve said feel free to drop a counterpoint. I stand by my comments.

​I was raised with everyone demonizing Nixon but the more I learn about the man God damn he was intelligent, articulate and persuasive with a seemingly very peace biased foreign policy coming out of World War II and then being heavily exposed to the then Korean "Conflict" and the Vietnam War. I would take the compliment and run with it ​@DaddyGotCoffee

Hahahaha - I have reviewed PLENTY of those. This is not that. These are designed, machined and manufactured by hand in the US. This is not a white label grinder.

Its made in chicago

Dude, what are you even talking about??

😂😂😂 this comment is hilarious, maybe Chinese has tried to copy this but no, you are incorrect.

@danchan5620, educate yourself before making such a stupid comment.

It’s a 64mm SSP HU (blind configuration)