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I think if most of the DC animated movies were live action instead it would have been a success.

There was a rise?

Man…there’s so much I’ve been wanting to say about the DCEU for the past 10 years. It’s been hard being a DC fan for the past decade. It finally ending feels like a weight has been lifted

Zak Snyder's Justice League was also supposed to give us another Green Lantern, John Stewart Green Lantern.

The DCEU's downfall was that it published a reading list of trade paperbacks they expected you to read before seeing the movies in order to understand them properly. People just don't do this, if anything a movie may inspire someone to read the book it's based on. No one is going to pay a couple of hundred bucks on graphic novels before going to see a movie they may not even enjoy.

I appreciate your commentary, because you did touch on the TRUE problem with the DCEU, which was WB executives. You could make a whole video of the behind the scenes shenanigans of the WB execs forced upon their creatives; forcing Snyder to pivot from a proper Man of Steel sequel to make BvS in the first place, completely changing Suicide Squad behind David Ayer’s back & much more. Executive incompetence, ESPECIALLY at WB, goes back decades! The DCEU COULD have been great if the executives left the creatives alone.

I would argue 2018 and 2019 was the height of the superhero film industry, since half of the Marvel and DC films that came out around that time made over a billion (Black Panther, Infinity War, Aquaman, Captain Marvel, Endgame, Far From Home, Joker). And while the other half didn’t make a billion, they still did very well at the box office. (Deadpool 2, Ant-Man and the Wasp, Teen Titans Go to the Movies, Venom, Shazam, Into the Spider-Verse). The only exception being Dark Phoenix, which isn’t surprising.

Imo, the latest Superman and Lois iteration is one of the most successful things to come from DC. Each show feels like a movie in itself. Interesting dialog, characters, and action.

The flash being in suicide squad wasn’t a issue with consistency because injustice league the flash says I haven’t really done this before. I’ve only pushed people and ran away so he had encountered criminals and deterred and detained them. He just hadn’t battled or had to actively fight

At least we knew were the MCU was headed. They weren’t doing the story too much too fast, as they were slowly introducing us to characters, the multiverse and even the big bad (until Majors was found guilty). We do know Marvel Studios going to release everything they announced (Bob Iger made them push out Phase 4 too fast), and that Kang was (idk about now) supposed to comeback from his quantum energy core as The Beyonder while we got acquainted with new heroes, the multiverse and it’s collapse.

DCU has a real opportunity here. They could be the next marvel. Where marvel went wrong is the same thing dceu did like you said. After they crushed for a decade, they wanted to speed run everything. Now flop after flop, DC has a tremendous chance of bringing back superheroes.

The studio killed it plain and simple. Though there was no longevity to Snyder’s plan (though can be fixed by Flash changing the timeline) at least it was a plan. Should’ve focused on solo films for their core characters then they get together as a team.

Justice League was originally three movies. And your going over the plans Snyder wrote before Warner Brothers asked him to rewrite the story after Batman v Superman was critically received. In Part two they travel to New Genesis and fight Darkseid with Part 3 being the Final War on Earth against Darkseid and his forces.

That was a fantastic recap, but I have to say I went through so many emotions during that video went through the excitement of man of steel to the bummed out of justice league to the anger of what happened afterwards and then back to the apathy made me sad

Can't wait for the new DCU. DCEU started off on the wrong foot. When they decided to do BVS. Should have done MOS 2. Slowly build the universe instead trying to catch up to MCU with two movies.

It's crazy how in the film industry, making 300m off a film isn't considered that much

The downward spiral of the DCEU is due to WB mismanagement since post-MOS

You kind of hit the nail on the head BvS started.the downfall it was to divisive a film and even Snyder said he was doing an experimental film with it. Plus he even said he wasnt competing with Marvel he just wanted to film what he thought looked cool. But even the box office failures after the General Audience left did higher audience scores then Snyders films. So they were going in the right direction with the lightening the tone but had no direction and like you said Snyders plans was basically fibe movies then do a Flash Point reset and make it the next guys problem to compete with Marvel

When did they start calling a film that grossed over $800 million on $200 million budget a failure? That's crazy! BvS, the directors cut, was very good, and MoS is my favorite superhero movie. Suicide Squad, the Joss Whedon Justice League, and WW sequel were absolute stinkers!

I think it's better for DC superhero characters to be animated than live-action adaptation

I like how he mentions Snyders' loss, but not Miller's B.S. in relation to effecting the franchise I mean.

Now if I were in charge of the DC Cinematic Universe here is how I would structure it : 1. Superman Solo Movie 2. Superman Sequel that introduces Supergirl and The Flash 3. Solo Batman Movie that introduces both Batman ,Robin and Batgirl. 4. Solo Wonder Woman 5. Justice League with the addition of Martian Manhunter , Green Lantern, and Hawkgirl. That would be Phase 1 .

Snyders plan was never supposed to be a full cinematic universe like the mcu. It was supposed to be basically a self contained story like nolans batman, but bigger. It was supposed to end with a flashpoint rebooting everything. Then the suits got involved and changed things because they wanted a mcu like universe

I think the worst cause of why Warner Bros flopped so hard on this was the mentality "MARVEL!! Be Marvel as quickly as possible, we are losing hypothetical millions!!!" And so they tried to inflate a marvel level movie exploiting fan good will and star power at every turn trying to have their cake and eat it too. Also speaking in more recent mentality I think we are just more or less over the Super Hero craze. Like there will never be another infinity war. Also I will say it, Zack Snyder just sucked for Warner Bros goals. He had a vision, a dumb one, that did not work.

Nothing pained me more than Henry Cavill returning to Superman and seeing him in Black Adam only to lose the role altogether. I could cry how disappointed I was. Henry Cavill was easily one of the best parts of the DCEU. 😭

Great video. So much potential they had but hopefully James Gunn brings it. DC has so many great stories to bring to big screen.

They're trying to make the DCEU like the MCU where everyone making jokes at the most serious situation and making it R12

Zack snyder didn't have a slate in the first place, he had a five movie story arc and it was up to the writers and directors to lead up the story. I hate when people keep referring the DCEU as the "Snyderverse"

Wow, it's kind of disheartening to find out how little we have in common when it comes to determining the quality of DCEU films - but I guess differences in opinion make the world a richer place. (We agree on Blue Beetle at least - deserved more love!)

How could you do a Nightwing movie if you already killed off Dick Grayson

BvS shouldn’t have been made. Should’ve been a World’s finest adaptation or something with a different director.

One does not kill off The Batman.

Marvel infinity war, ten years in the making. Justice league, few years of throwing stuff on the wall and see what stick

I like that almost every one agrees that the place the DCEU started to go wrong was BVS . It was putting the cart way before the horse. Wish we could’ve gotten a proper Man of Steel sequel.

They should have done a Batman movie. That would have done really well too along with the Man of Steel and Wonder Woman. They should have done a trilogy movies for Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman. This then leads up to BvS but without Doomsday in it.

Thank you for mentioning that Zack had a plan, but Warner Bros messed everything up 19:09

While the Snyder cut is infinitely better than Josstice League it’s still just…okay in my opinion.

DC animated universe is/was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 wish they concentrated more on that.

there was no rise lol

DCEU shuda started with the build up to the Legion of Doom

They need to really start over give DC I better movie franchise and maybe make more of their characters recognizable!

I loved Aquarman and the lost kingdom

Great video that perfectly encapsulates the frustration I’ve been feeling as a DC fan since 2016. Really hoping Gunn can turn things around but we’ll just have to wait and see

The studio interference killed it completely. Hamada, Safran, and now Gunn have been digging its grave

The reason why the DCEU failed because WB had no idea what to do with it. This franchise was a absolute mess from the very beginning.

28:10 I almost wish The Rock would've waited to release Black Adam ⚡️ for James Gunn universe instead

eu gosto da abordagem do Variant Comics, de dar a sua critica e dar sugestoes de mudancas, ao inves de so criticar e nao mostrar nenhuma parte positiva dos filmes. Gostei muito dessa forma de trabalhar. Feliz natal a todos

"So maybe he (Leto) should stay away from comic book movies..." As a HUGE Tron fanboy, knowing he's gonna be the villain in Tron 3 doesn't fill me with hope.

Even Back Then I Was More Of Arrowverse Guy even though the shows were woke, had awful CGI, bastardized key characters, and didn't make money for The CW I still had fun with It for what It was don't judge me

6:55 Batman definitely killed people in the Nolan verse. He blew up dozens of ninjas in the mountains after refusing to kill just one. Then there was Ras al Ghul: "I don't have to save you".

A lot of the same things I’ve said to friends. Loving your energy in going over this journey. Definitely sharing with friends

I honestly think that the dceu was doomed from the start due to the poor mishandling of Superman's character by a director who simply doesn't understand who Superman is and what he stands for. Zack was just the wrong director for Superman and DC in general.

The DCEU was a flawed cinematic universe but had some good moments. It had potential but was rushed and came out to be a big colossal mess of a universe. With Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom closing this Cinematic Universe for good. I have to say the DCEU was a rushed mess that never reached its full potential. Here’s hope that the DCU will be better than its predecessor.

This was a really great (albeit, compressed) review of every DCEU film since you haven’t done those in ages which was shifted to the Podcasts. I really do miss those reviews. However, let this be a lesson to all: Don’t rush the story & don’t change the tone of character just because it worked for a different character.

I'v been a really die hard SnyderVerse fan, and really despite what's happening now, but after seeing this, i finally understand why it failed really bad and why people hated it!

Killing Zod was never the problematic scene for me but kissing Lois while people still dying that was a problem.

You guys should do a top ten list on the best comic book events of the year

very well explained!!! loved this video

I really liked this video! I hope to see more like this in the future.

Did the ending of Ezra Miller's Flash movie create the DCU when he made one change in the past to get his Dad out of prison before coming back to the present? Will we see the same Flash in the DCU but with someone like Lucas Till playing him ?

Great video as always you are one of my favorites in the comic book genre for KZfaq videos. Thank you for the quality that you have kept up during the years brother and happy holidays to you and yours. I was born in 1980 and have been a DC fan since I was a Little kid, probably somewhere around 8384, I don’t hate Marvel or anything it’s just DC to me is my shit. That being said have been disturbed by other fans, especially the past four or five years, I don’t feel DC fans respect the films until it’s too late. The whole reason Zack Snyder had to part way with Warner Brothers is because the fans didn’t like the first two movies. I love, MS, to me it’s the greatest Superman movie ever and I’m someone who has a lot of nostalgia for what Christopher Reeve did, but That movie didn’t have a very good outing and then everyone cried about what happened to the city at the end of that movie even though when you read the comic book cities like Metropolis and Gotham get destroyed every other year . Then they made fun of Batman V Superman for the Martha scene. For a full year after that movie came out every DC group I was in they were sharing memes making fun of it. So Warner Brothers got the message. OK you guys don’t like this guys then we’re letting him go. It was only after they showed him the door. Did everyone decide they really liked him. Well, if you guys really liked him that much, you should’ve supported him when he was there. It’s like burying a coworker to your boss and you and your friends constantly go to your boss, talking crap about a coworker and you get him fired and then a month later you start realizing all the good things he did for you. The other thing that is disturbing, and this just isn’t in DC. This is true in Marvel, and in Star Wars two, we have to get past the way we’re rating movies. Comic book fans I think are the worst for telling you whether Movies is good or not. Some of these guys don’t even need to have KZfaq channels they’re not the quality that this channel is. I can’t respect fans when they have 20 movies that are “the worst movie ever made” or 20 movies that are “the best movie ever made” like there’s no in between with the comic book crowd. It’s the worst thing ever or the best thing ever. So when you ask fans about the DCU, you get this answer like it’s the best thing and it smokes marvel or it’s just garbage from beginning to end. Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Zack Snyder’s Justice league, Shazam, Aquaman, Shazam 2, The Flash and The Suicide Squad to me, were all very high-quality movies. I don’t think that the hate that Shazam part two and the flash or black Adam got Ws ferret all. I’m not saying their top 10 comic book movies, but people act like they were watching Batman and Robin or Green Lantern when they talk about those movies. And I get Ezra Miller is a scumbag but that was one of the best movies they put out as far as the story they were telling. Batman V Superman is a movie I liked a lot but it did have some glaring problems and I felt like Zack Snyder was trying to tell three movies in one and it just could’ve been better but I don’t think it’s a horrible movie by any means. The wonder woman movie, Harley, Quinn, birds of prey, and the first suicide squad. Movie are bad movies, and I’m not even saying all of it, that the fault of the Director, because in the instance of the first suicide squad movie, we never even got the Directors version of the movie. I think the story of the DCEU should be a time, when a group of talented actors and movie makers got together to try to do something great but the corporate side who didn’t even have the right corporate structure at the time to compete with Marvel. Just kind of screwed everything up. What sad now is that I don’t even think the new James Gunn DC lead studios is even going to get a fair shot. You already have people online that have already made up their mind that the 2025 Superman movie is going to be terrible and they’re already doing things to discourage other people from seeing it. Why are we doing this? Why are we trying to tear down something that we love? Do fans realize that we aren’t promised any of this? I had one Batman movie in the 80s and only one good Batman movie in the 90s and all I ever wanted was to see Michael Keaton and Christopher Reeve in the same movie together and now we live in a time when that can actually happen and fans act like we’re promised three comic book movies a year. No we’re not. When the fans finally killed this off, they’re not going to get this hypothetical perfect comic book movie that they think they’re going to get they’re just not going to make these anymore. I’m so tired of this, hating on movies before they even come out. I’m fine if someone pays their money, go watches a movie and it turns out to be something bad and then they go online and share their two cents and keep it rolling. That’s not what’s happening we’re getting groups of people to rally other people to actively do everything in their power to make sure certain movies fail? For God sakes, please go higher or a working girl if that is how you are planning on spending your free time. To make sure other people don’t enjoy something that you don’t want to experience. I think the blame for the failure of the DCU needs to go 50% to Warner Brothers and 50% to the fans. The fans are just as guilty because Warner Brothers made the mistake of actually listening to the fans and now the fans aren’t going to shut up , and you’re going to have a group of people that don’t know anything about moviemaking ruining this for everybody else.

Zack fundamentally misunderstands the character of Superman so badly it doomed the entire EU.

DCEU was a trainwreck from the beginning. Had the WB executives focused on their own content first and not compare and play catch up with the MCU so fast, I would not be writing this comment. Jor-El would probably have said: "They can be great movies DC fans they wish to be. They only lack the executives to show them the way."

Blue beetle was excellent & I honestly hope they retcon it to the new DC film universe

Thank You, DCEU was a HOT MESS. All over the place. Rushed for no reason. They should of just left Man of Steel a stand alone film. Chasing MCU was a bad idea. No reason to even do this. If they just wanted WB would be eating right now.

Thank you for putting this together

Well said, great video !!!

You lost me at 'Henry Cavill is the best live-action Superman to date'. Despite him being a lovely guy and a good actor, his portrayal of the Man of Steel was as far removed from the character as it could be. A soulless, almost robotic alien, feeling nothing but the weight of responsibility this meager planet has put upon his shoulders.

Man I can't agree with you more, such a great video 👏

Great video Thanks!

Batman v Superman: Rush to the Justice League! Sums up the DCEU in a nutshell. God bless you Honest Trailers.

They desperately need a director that STICKS TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL. It should’ve started with the introduction of the characters then (maybe) this else world version with the Flash movie introducing the multiverse

What was interesting to me was that, in terms of live action TV shows, DC was knocking it out of the park with gems like “Gotham” and the Arrowverse, but I wondered why the DCEU couldn’t get it right. It felt like at a certain point, all live action DC films should have just been their own thing with subtle references to past films if they wanted to connect them. That’s why it was better to stick to the animated DC movies and the Arrowverse at the time.

I LUUUUVED Aquaman!!! I'm hoping the 2nd is good. Aquaman is the most beautiful superhero I've ever seen.

What do you think James Gunn is going to do to put the live action DC franchise on the top compared to what Zach Snyder did? Also just like David Corenswet is playing Superman in the DCU, is James Gunn going to reveal which actors are going to play the other members of the Justice League also when is he going to do solo movies and team up Justice League movies for them?

Never did I ever think the Flash would put a baby in a microwave before I saw that piece of filth movie

This video is so well put and I really agree with most of your point.. Hopeful for James Gunn DC!

Superman snapping necks is dope 😅

I personally am not confident in Gunn’s Superman legacy. Gunn only has one style, which is best suited for eccentric non-traditional teams, and that’s just not what fans want in a Superman movie.

Great great video. I was so excited for the DCEU. I’m more of a DC fan and Superman is my favorite. It was sad what it became. :(. Awesome vid

I still remember how excited I was after watching the trailer of Man of Steel in 2012 and it created so much anticipation in me for the movie. and in 2013 when the movie was released, it totally did worth. Watched it few times in theatre then. I was so excited for upcoming DC movies that time, but one by one so much dud happened. Still hoped for a man of Steel 2 for a very long time, but then they Terminated Cavill and killed that hope. 'Hope' which was a symbol of Superman.

Man of Steel is the most underrated hero movie of all time. It was incredible and Henry Cavill deserved better.

Couldn't disagree more with your opinion on The Suicide Squad & Peacemaker; I have no problem with James Gunn (love the Guardians of the Galaxy movies), but those two projects both cater to the lowest common denominator and celebrate inhumanity while not being funny ...

23:27 I’ve been saying the same thing for years. The Synderverse is best enjoyable when you think of it as an Elseworlds story like the Dark Knight Returns or Injustice

Earned a sub, so on point

Snyder had a vision, warner bros did not. Nolan and Bale went movie by movie. WB wanted a fourth, they said no. Quite a bit of time passed between Bale and Cavil. They should have been building since then. DC owned TV. Marvel showed up later but the Arrowverse was awesome. Seeing Burt Ward and Tom Welling show up was great. If that kind of commitment had been put into the DCEU, it could have been different. I also think it's ridiculous for them to have released the theatrical versions they did, then show the deleted scenes that would have made them better. They knew it was ending, at least let it end well. Now it's going to take time because they're restarting, not continuing. They're asking a lot of people to suddenly be invested in a product that WB was barely supportive of. Superhero fatigue better be gone by the time Legacy gets here. As far as Superman killing Zod, it showed internal struggle. He spent his whole life suppressing his abilities, then it's forced to actually use them. People had already did, Zod was going to kill 3 more, and he ended him before he could. The effect it had on him afterwards showed more humanity than we've seen since Reeves turned back time to save Lois. It made him interesting and relatable.

What rise?😅

I think the fatal mistake was not only trying to make a shared universe a la MCU, but also they attempting to (at that time) beat Marvel at their own game (and failing miserably to do so).

They went to hard on the competitive side and forgot about the care and story building, eventually becoming their own worst enemy.... However, 1 thing I'll praise about DCEU is their costume department, most of them is like ripped out of the comic books, minor adjustments here and there, but definitely aesthetically pleasing.

This video doesn’t get into the biggest issue enough: studio interference. The gave Snyder the ok to build a 5-movie universe, and then cut BvS to shreds in the editing room and wanted to build out a universe despite Snyder agreeing to only 5 films. That’s was the true beginning of the end.

You missed a lot of parts on Zack Snyder's JL plan, like JL part 3 and ending actually on Flashpoint (Jay Oliva confirmed) but oh well...

I find it funny how they can do really well with their animated movies but with their live action movies they flop in some way shape or form when if they looked at how well the animated movies did they could just use that as a way to help them make it either just as good as the animated movie was or make it similar in a way

I can not sleep at night simply just thinking about Jason Momoa not playing LOBO yet.

I have always been SO confused by the objection to Supes killy Zod. He killed Zod _and_ both of his henchmen Superman 2. Honestly, do yall have amnesia?

Love to hear your take on the MCU in a same titled video arris 🔥. I agreed with everything you said and it shouldn't be this way especially when you have actors WANTING to play these roles. DC can take the same route as marvel with it's own connected universe but like you said it was rushed WAY TO SOON, you have to let it all breathe taking it's time, especially with almost 100 years of source material. BvS was the problem, Batman and Superman should have never come to blows a la dark knight style in JUST THE SECOND DCEU film with waaay to many character introductions, introduce wonder woman sure and make it a Trinity movie but stacking the two biggest DC stories in history with dark knight returns and death of superman in one movie is way to much and unfortunately it dominoed everything after it. So 2025 better deliver especially after 10 years of wasted films.... that's why DC animation is better, can't wait for crisis on infinite earths the animated movie adaptation to come out next year 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 😂😂😂

@Variant everything you say is absolutely correct I'm not a DC fan I'm a Marvel fan and what you have to say is completely true. you hit the point. Just be careful because you do have Zack Snyder fans will comment your channel say some negative s***

Christan Bales Batman killed too. He let Ras die, Push Two Face/Dent off the ledge to save Gordon's kid, he pushed the truck with the batwing which resulted in Tala being dead.

What’s wild is that everyone hated Snyder years ago for what he did to BvS.. Then after JOSS-tice League, everyone worshiped Snyder. Never understood it.

to be honest, i am happy to watch a comic book company fail to make it on the big screen since the more success they have in theaters, the more said company destroys their comic book brand. hell look at marvel, their comics have been outright shit for many years which is all in part to their movies success along with the fact that almost the entirety of their fans know nothing outside of the movies aka the disneyverse. the more comic companies fail in the big screen, the more it saves the comics from being outright destroyed so i consider this a win for the comic book genre