Varnish Actually Works!?

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3 жыл бұрын

How can we protect our minis during gameplay? In this episode I test metal minis with different primers and varnishes. I ran three different durability tests of special relevance to gamers.
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@MidwinterMinis 3 жыл бұрын

3 hours of repetitive greasy hand action? A typical evening during lockdown

@GoobertownHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

I don't get it...

@williamgoyette517 3 жыл бұрын

Greasy hand action eh?

@pelican4262 3 жыл бұрын

PENNY NO

@Winterydee 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you've been hanging out with Miss Penny too much Mr. Guy. Her dirty mindedness is starting to rub off on you... good for her!

@sayeager5559 3 жыл бұрын

@@GoobertownHobbies Hence the greasy hand action.

@TheSixthWorld 3 жыл бұрын

"Why are you spending 3 hours eating Funyuns and playing with toys?" "SCIENCE!"

@joshbecka6110 3 жыл бұрын

Only real science requires funions and tank tops.

@daemonofdecay 3 жыл бұрын

Those conga line sisters moving around the board are hypnotic.

@WizardOfDC 3 жыл бұрын

I never was drawn in by time lapses much before....after Goobertown I want more hobby time lapses.

@Ox_ygen 3 жыл бұрын

I could watch it for hours

@honestindomitus1342 3 жыл бұрын

“What’re you doing today, Brent?” **”S C I E N C E”**

@Maphrox 3 жыл бұрын

"Brent? What are you doing in there?" Brent, moving minis around a monopoly board on a timer: "Science."

@BlackMagicCraftOfficial 3 жыл бұрын

That fish tank I hear in the background sounds a little undersized.

@larryofastora9467 3 жыл бұрын

at this point i'm CONVINCED that these experiments are just an excuse for brent to satisfy his timelaps fetish

@GoobertownHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

... maybe. :-)

@MrVolvobloke 3 жыл бұрын

We all had that face when you were chucking the figures around ! My figures: out of box on to table. Turn one, back in box. Ah well.....at least the paint job will last longer.

@dpsgod8545 3 жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to see a wear and tear comparison of resin, metal, soft and hard plastic, and green stuff!

@KabinMiniatures 3 жыл бұрын

That cringe when you were shaking the Sisters... such a sacrifice in the name of science!

@Berserkerworks 3 жыл бұрын

I really hope you all appreciate what this man puts himself thru for all of us. I saw pain in those eyes...

@archfrank 3 жыл бұрын

Some people may argue that Brent is slowly going completely insane, I'd argue I am perfectly fine with what comes out of it.

@GoobertownHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

;-)

@tomatosoup5056 3 жыл бұрын

my theory is: primer is only there for the painting stage, used to get better grip and even first layer varnish is a sealant, a protective "shell" that gets a hard finish

@Vova-xv3zn 3 жыл бұрын

yeah I thought so too. until now i've primed every model but they still had tear on edges even during the painting process which led to repainting everything that sticks out

@Tehcarp 3 жыл бұрын

Commercial paint companies make declarations and definitions of the uses and significance of primers/paints/clearcoats. They all recommend primer on plastic and metal certainly for adhesion but also very smooth apply forces over larger areas (think contrast paints) which makes it harder to form a proper film at a low enough thickness to preserve detail. There are very high adhesion products that will stick to smooth surfaces just fine. you can for example apply varnish directly as to resin, metal, almost anything. You can even use matte varnish as a primer, It's the fact that matte has micro solids (i forget the real term) that improves the application of the next layer. Primer is about minimizing the issues with the substrate such as colour bleed, adhesion, still soluble pigments, oil, and others. Brent as a habit washes his miniatures before priming them, which I think mitigates the main issue that say Citadel was concerned for when they originally mandated oil based undercoats. That's just an experienced hunch. The other main reason being that 'sprue gray' is not usually the appropriate colour under subsequent colours.

@RagDollRat 3 жыл бұрын

i prime for 2 reasons 1 to help fill in seem gaps and 2 because i heavily paint in contrasts and you need a bright base coat for that. and i always seal because barely touching contrasts at all makes them rub off

@brandongiles6875 3 жыл бұрын

@@Vova-xv3zn Are you giving them a full 24 hours to cure after priming them? Rattlecan primer will appear dry after an hour or so, and airbrush primer will look dry very quickly, but both need to cure fully before painting over them.

@Vova-xv3zn 3 жыл бұрын

@@brandongiles6875 yes. some of my minis were left for a week after priming

@warbossworm 3 жыл бұрын

I'm something of a scientist myself, so the opening of this episode had me in stitches.

@leftwingdragon6235 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah as a biologist I was happy

@kaikropp3254 3 жыл бұрын

Me too... we need to increase the number of publications to boost the nascent field of mini chemistry :)

@warbossworm 3 жыл бұрын

To appease the physics gods I'm going to start by assuming that all minis are spherical and in a vacuum.

@leftwingdragon6235 3 жыл бұрын

@@warbossworm oh definitely

@RealTerrainHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

This was your most epic video yet Brent! Your endurance is absolutely awe inspiring. I have much to learn.

@RealTerrainHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

Ok maybe not your most epic. We all know which video that belongs to😉

@psyko2666 3 жыл бұрын

When he puts his hair down, you know he's serious.

@GoobertownHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

Yup!

@timothybyrne9764 3 жыл бұрын

Do or die, the hair never lies.

@theodieman 3 жыл бұрын

Patience at this level is rarely even observed in top military sniper teams.

@valbourne1797 3 жыл бұрын

@Harvey Crewe the fact that they used sniper teams as the basis of this obvious hyperbole implies that they're the most patient people that Odieman could think of. I'm not sure the British army needs a new propaganda wing since we all seem to be on the same page vis a vis the patience of snipers.

@alexduff1783 3 жыл бұрын

Just want to say thanks for taking the time to do this. Looks like it was incredibly tedious but it's good you got some clear results.

@jayperz 3 жыл бұрын

Goober town hobbies: the most relaxing hobby channel on KZfaq.

@ruaridhmackenzie3215 3 жыл бұрын

These last 2 videos have exactly what I expect from Brent & all the residents of Goobertown

@ElNick09 3 жыл бұрын

As the first publication in this new field, you are going to cited by EVERYONE. Clever Brent. Very Clever. :)

@Finkeldinken 3 жыл бұрын

I like a lot of miniature painting hobby channels but this video shows why Goobertown holds my heart. Gotta say though: Missed opportunity to play cheesy conga line music as background in the beginning! :D

@andrewcarpenter270 3 жыл бұрын

Dude, those minis going around the board should be a loading screen spinner.

@matthinton19 3 жыл бұрын

Your patience for experiments for things like this is amazing. 3 hours of moving sisters round

@klappspatenkamikaze 3 жыл бұрын

Dude, you are a real hero for wargamers! I just would die from the sound of rubbing them over the foam.

@RyanEdwardsVA 3 жыл бұрын

Man, now I REALLY badly want to see the gloss vs. matte vs. gloss+matte varnish experiment. It's long been held that gloss is the only one that protects well, or that it protects much better than matte, and I think it's time we put that assertion to the test! Love the video Brent, your scientifically rigorous application of force and funions is a boom to us all.

@jakobsjoling107 3 жыл бұрын

Love how you manage to make it into a doubble blind test by having forgotten which mini was which by the time you evaluated the damage.

@azerel83 3 жыл бұрын

This dude always makes me smile I can't explain it.

@EternalQuestion 3 жыл бұрын

As a mini painter with OCD, anxiety and a bit of an obsession with cleanliness, this version of Brent is my worst nightmare. Tonight I will see him in my dreams, coming for my painstakingly painted minis with his greasy fingers... 'Let's play a game...'

@jec5476 Жыл бұрын

I love that you have the heart and mind of a scientist when you do these experiments. Well done!

@EricsHobbyWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

When you start conga-ing smoothly with one hand at 2:56 it was very satisfying

@nateworth6659 3 жыл бұрын

I always wondered what type of damage moving minis around did but never decided how to so this helped well!

@marcwittkowski5146 3 жыл бұрын

Your facial expressions while shaking the minis around... I felt that. Love the video.

@Maeyanie 3 жыл бұрын

Admirable dedication to science, and some results which are both interesting and useful. Good work. :)

@sloth210983 2 жыл бұрын

3 hours of pushing minis around a monopoly board .. dear lord .. a man of focus, commitment and sheer will

@GoobertownHobbies 2 жыл бұрын

With. A. Pencil!

@lucasschigart2721 3 жыл бұрын

a man of determination and pure f-ing will

@GoobertownHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

I need a suit.

@nerdfatha 3 жыл бұрын

that conga line time lapse is the most epic thing i have seen on youtube all year!

@TryChillBalloo 3 жыл бұрын

The cats are like: "now he is totally nuts"

@goatmealcookies7421 3 жыл бұрын

What so you mean by "now"?

@rossvolkmann1161 3 жыл бұрын

Making the content we simply can't find anywhere else.

@td6576 3 жыл бұрын

I very seldom take the time to like or comment on videos but the effort you put into your videos and the quality of the information and suggestions we can take away from them is just fantastic. Thanks for what you offer to the community.

@Venatusis 3 жыл бұрын

My "go-to" varnishing technique is a good coating of glossy varnish to really protect the paintjob, and then matte varnish over that to dull it down and make it look less like a creepy porcelain figurine

@Tehcarp 3 жыл бұрын

In house painting we have a concept of encapsulation. Essentially having the resin wet on all sides and drying at once 'shrink' it on the figure. Theoretically the best application for encapsulation is dipping, you can clear excess with compressed air or an empty air gun, it will be messy. I'd be most interested in a test entirely with airbrush varnish and the variable being extenders/dryers. It would also be interesting if the first and second coats were strikingly different colours. Perhaps black under blue under pigmented varnish. Also, you could do a longer range passive test for the effects of handling by preparing a set of painting handles or something else and then using them for a year. just a thought.

@freshwildflowers 3 жыл бұрын

Are you doing okay? ...mentally? You're doing fine right? this really was just an experiment?

@GoobertownHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

;-)

@eBayMiniatureRescues 3 жыл бұрын

Your timelapse game is on point in this episode!

@taylorschmid 3 жыл бұрын

Brent, you are a true hero to the hobby! This is true dedication.

@David-Daithi 7 ай бұрын

You make me proud of both hobbyists and scientists. Thank you!

@AzraelCC 3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the only acceptable time you should ever have a Monopoly board on your gaming table: for grease durability testing on primer and varnish.

@johnhill8910 3 жыл бұрын

Loving these experiment videos! Keep them coming, I am learning quite a lot!

@burningandrew1062 3 жыл бұрын

Your vids are so helpful dude, Im pretty new to warhammer and theyve been a huge help. Keep up the awesome work!

@JamesFTM84 3 жыл бұрын

This is the first GTH video I've seen in a while where Vallejo Model Color Purple wasn't mentioned. Related aside: Brent, as a result of your recommendations in multiple videos, today I've bought a pot of Vallejo Purple. Looking forward to trying it on a mini!

@cory7328 3 жыл бұрын

This is the true work of a scientist. The world needs to know this information. Can we get a similar test for card sleeves? Testing no sleeves, single sleeves, and double sleeves. Continue the Lord’s work.

@GoobertownHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

that would be fun, I'm sure there's a variant of that which is actually needed....

@silverrwhiskers26 3 жыл бұрын

This is a very informative video. I love it. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. Also, nice tank top.

@elderith3244 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks you very much Brent for putting in the time to do these tests. I just got into mini painting, and have en trying to fined the best way to protect my art.

@ultimapanzer 3 жыл бұрын

A 3-hour game of Monotony. You’re a hero man.

@Captain.Fantastic 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome. This is exactly the video I wanted to see after the last varnish test!

@deltastic 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing, love these experiment videos :) I especially enjoyed the cat cam time lapse!

@paulmiller6431 3 жыл бұрын

Loved the test and love the channel! :)

@FzudemR 3 жыл бұрын

I love these kind of stress tests, it's on one hand hilarious, but on the other very informative and educating! Respect to you Brent, your patience is very appreciated! :)

@JonSteitzer 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic, really excited to see the matte varnish tests

@foolwise4703 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Brent for taking one for the team 😂 - systematically

@bl00dthrister 3 жыл бұрын

That's some amazing dedication man! Thank you for those amazing experiments. What I'm curious about is casted resin vs printed resin. Might also be an idea for your testing episodes :-) I love to see your experimenting-videos so keep em coming please!

@wesh3338 3 жыл бұрын

this is a great followup to your previous goblin test that answered all of my lingering questions from that video. looking forward to your future experiments :)

@cruorangelussilicis 3 жыл бұрын

Great to see that you have improved Monopoly from the standard ruleset!

@euansmith3699 3 жыл бұрын

And this version only takes 3 hours to finish a game.

@RoboCrash 3 жыл бұрын

This video was quite interesting to me. I never varnish my minis but now I am DEFINITELY gonna start doing it. I don't want to have to repaint minis that already took me entirely too long to paint!

@YanniCooper 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing this! I know (anecdotally) from experience that playing with partially painted minis for a while will lead to the paint wearing away. Some additional criteria that could be checked if you decide to do part two: Move some of the minis around before you prime/paint them (pre-grease). Use different colors/brands of paints, some paints just flat adhere better and those "thicker" paints would likely also be more resistant to being rubbed off.

@LexandroX 3 жыл бұрын

Best hobby video ever! Informative, fun, innovative and ridiculous! :D Love it!

@BoyDerAmBlockChillt 2 жыл бұрын

beautiful model system and thought-out treatment groups (including controls). introduction, material and methods, results, discussion. yep, our man is a scientist. Love seing when our craft pearmeates personal lifes aswell :)

@Kilian2 3 жыл бұрын

You might not be the mad scientist we deserve, but you are definitely the mad scientist we need.

@Fpsdood 3 жыл бұрын

Your channel is an absolute boon to the hobby, thank you so much Brent for the wonderful content you create.

@someone1999 3 жыл бұрын

Brent, you’re a madman. These videos are great. I’m definitely interested in a video about the different types of varnish, like you mentioned.

@RoninLife 3 жыл бұрын

These experiments are some of your best videos! Also loved the one where you tested the various liquids for striping models. Entertaining, enlightening, and back by the scientific method 👍🏻 You should make these a series on your channel! You’re not only the Bob Ross of minis in Goobertown, you’re also it’s hobby Mythbuster!

@erebor7 3 жыл бұрын

I've really appreciated this video. Is the kind of experiment that really leads to useful day-by-day decisions for any hobbyist. Thanks Brent!

@brandonwright7950 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative and someone needed to do these experiments... Thank you for the info!!

@bluedotdinosaur 3 жыл бұрын

A thought on airbrushed vs hand brushed paint: when aerosolized, a lot of the moisture in the acrylic medium is being immediately eliminated by the time the paint hits the surface of the mini. This should result in significantly faster curing time for the paint. It might take several more days for brushed paint to become as hard as the sprayed on or air-brushed primer and paint. As for varnish really working, well, it makes sense to me. In addition to gloss or satin varnish having a smooth surface, varnish really sticks to itself well and forms a tightly gripping cocoon around the object it is applied to. You can see this if you try to pick and peel off some freshly applied varnish that is starting to turn gummy but isn't ready to be handled yet: rather than just peeling off at the part you're touching, like paint, the varnish comes off in a "skin" from the entire surface. Due to that, I always assumed that hardened varnish is more like cellophane shrink wrap. And consider how durable shrink wrap is to being rubbed against a surface.

@talongodin2253 3 жыл бұрын

"Nasty gamer hands" isn't something I ever expected to hear on this show, but I'm 100% here for it. As silly as this looks, it's a very realistic and useful test. I'm varnishing ALL my minis from now on!

@Aisaaax 3 жыл бұрын

I think that airbrush paints could have a different chemical composition and could be more sticky naturally when compared to paints that you brush on. Also it could be the case that very thin layers (that you get by airbrushing) dry in sequence, that gives you basically a multi-layer structure. When you use brush, you tend to have a single thicker layer. Just a couple of theories.

@GoobertownHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

Yup yup, we'll get to the bottom of all this!

@patriotjedi530 3 жыл бұрын

Wow Brent, amazing dedication and process! Thanks for the info!

@Thepaintingwick 3 жыл бұрын

I've been needing this video for many years.

@Zyphent 3 жыл бұрын

Curious about the layer of gloss + layer of matte vs 2 layers of matte. People have always said "Gloss for protection, matte for finish", but I'm curious if gloss actually does offer more protection.. Great video!

@benpuffer7891 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing these videos. New to the hobby and this is educational.

@Boodoosh69 2 жыл бұрын

Loving the dedication to your craft Goobs :) and a nice result confirming what seems to be common sense. Varnish your metal minis people!

@jonbauml225 3 жыл бұрын

Love these experimental videos! Thank you so much for taking the time to expand our collective knowledge

@Gargboss 3 жыл бұрын

Even in the evergrowing YT section of miniature painting, vids like these still are unique! It may seem trivial, but it's always good to check assumed "facts" with SCIENE! :D I remember the time when I started a Chaos Demon army, back when most of them still were metal miniatures. I rattlecan varnished them, but only matte, this was what was sufficient until then. Most my previously painted models were plastic and those few metal minis were treated with more care and I had no issue. But when most of your army is metal... it took about 1-3 tournaments and I was pissed about all the spots with chipped paint. So I started to varnish glossy first, with an additional matte layer afterwards. No significant issue anymore. By now, I'm using airbrush varnishes instead of rattlecans, but couldn't find much difference. Would be interesting to see a stress test though!

@ivybarnes 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your dedication and patience - amazing.

@Canadish 3 жыл бұрын

Really great demonstration of a basic concept, and a good case for using varnish. I always found it was a hard sell for me when I first started painting, so great for a newbie to see the benefit. Side note: I appreciate that you could have stretched for that 10 minute mark, and yet didn't. Shows what you're all about.

@ColonelSandersLite 3 жыл бұрын

Something I would definitely be interested in if you're in testing mode - Acrylic vs lacquer vs enamel varnishes. My own subjective impression is that lacquer is just the best with a narrow exception - Lacquer does yellow over time and greasy fingers make it worse. Due to this I have been in the process of repainting a bunch of OG lead base pewter battletech stuff recently. That being said, I could be full of crap and maybe acrylics or enamels are just better.

@arkdecon13 3 жыл бұрын

Brent, this new style of video is awesome! I love that you are becoming the mini scientist.

@SpencerMillertheMan 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Brent! Thanks for running another one of these. I really enjoy the scientific approach to gaming applications. When you do the mini test, one thing to consider is normal mini resin v 3d printed resin. I know both have different properties in regards to falling and breaking. Thanks again!

@GoobertownHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

Printer resin is gonna come first- I don't have anywhere near enough cast-resin minis! :-)

@naturephotographyworkshop7696 3 жыл бұрын

You inspired me to start painting again. Thank you so much!

@russellellis650 3 жыл бұрын

Good experiments! I now feel the need to varnish all of my minis...

@christopherschlegel6412 3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow Brent that's a really labor intensive methodology. Thanks for going through it for all of us

@33774466 3 жыл бұрын

one of your best timelapses yet! :D

@valbourne1797 3 жыл бұрын

Rejoice in the power of science and technology for much has been discovered and more is to be learned. Rejoice in the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark of the hobby room there is only experiments. There is no peace amongst the MInis, only an eternity of carnage and grease, and the laughter of Fufunyun eating Brents.

@hubertman007 3 жыл бұрын

he walks so that we can run, love ya Goobertown Hobbies as always great video

@johnkelley9877 3 жыл бұрын

I think it was a good experiment and you showed how the clear coats do have an advantage in keeping the figures paint intact. Thanks for doing and sharing this interesting experiment.

@sascha3607 3 жыл бұрын

That looks like you lost your mind but this is so funny and interesting to watch and I have to say thank you for this tests and I love the mindset behind this video experiment. Thanks a lot please never stop doing this stuff :-)