This is why I trust VCG guys. Call them Milwaukee shills/fanboys all you want, they still criticize them when they feel they need to.

Milwaukee: Vince is suggesting get back to the drawing board...better quality, lower price. Thanks VCG!

For the price, it needs to be aluminum not plastic and the wheels rubber not hard plastic. Hard plastic wheels will mark-up and scratch finished floors that the customer will not be happy with.

thoughts, Just buy a metal dolly and bolt a Milwaukee mounting plate to it.

that dolly is more like a "As seen on TV" product.....$29.95

You can't collapse the handle so you can't open the boxes without removing them like you can on the rolling tool toolbox. The boxes with drawers that are soon to be released would work well on this. That being said, the rolling toolbox should have had drawers for the base unit so you could have access with other boxes on top.

Thank you Vince as always for your wonderful review of tools. I agree with you $200 for plastic is a little hefty, but the only way they(Milwaukee) will learn to structure the price correctly is by people not buying it. I own the Dewalt cart that you showed in one of your reviews and it is heavy duty and it works for me in my warehouse,but I don’t think I would spend $200 on this and I am a huge,huge,huge Milwaukee fan! So when they put it on clearance then and only then I would buy it. Why wouldn’t they use steel verses plastic? Obviously it’s a dollar thing with them, so the end-user has to be a dollar thing with them also! Who will win this war? We will see in time. Hopefully the consumer. Also like to take this time to thank you again for all the hard work that you do day in and day out! It’s not easy doing all the legwork, filming etc... on a daily basis and all for your viewers. I for one am extremely grateful for all you!!! You’re amazing my friend… Simply amazing! Bob

If they made it really nice, then they wouldn't be able to release a Gen 2 version.

My take as a UPS driver that uses a dolly hundreds of times a day. It flexes like crazy just moving it around without a load. It also looks really wide and the two handed latches for the bottom would drive me bonkers. Think Milwaukee didnt think this one out.

Milwaukee already gives us a plastic cart on the PackOut system. I don't like the wheels inside the rail, outside the rail would give a wider stance and throw on the rugged terrain wheels from the PackOut. Move the tall tool holder to the outside rails so those tools aren't smacking us in the face. Lower the price after all that is fixed.

With all the aftermarket packout pieces out there, you could buy a regular hand truck and just make your own. It would definitely outlast the Milwaukee one

Solid rubber tires + steel construction = winner and a must buy!

A better solution is probably to modify a traditional hand truck and affix Packout adapters (such as the wall mount or truck mounts). You'll forgo the collapsible and compact features, but it'll definitely be more durable (especially the wheels). I've also seen some cool long-tool storage adapters (I think they're 3rd party products) that can attach to the corner rails of the Packout boxes that can hold levels, squares, etc and I've even seen one for a ladder. Thanks for the honest review as always!

I won't be buying it. I was expecting it to be like the toughsystem cart. The toughsystem setup is more versatile.

Thanks for the honest review; really glad I passed on this item. Milwaukee needs to ask themselves, “Does this need more metal?” And the answer is almost always yes. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

Thank you so much for showing us that Vince. I can’t believe they would put plastic on that thing. Especially in areas that are going to receive alot of punishment and stress. It seems like that thing would break after one use. Taking it on and off of the truck going up and downstairs. The torquing and twisting on the frame depending on how much weight you load it with, I would expect it to snap in half. LOL. I was really looking forward to buying it but I’m glad I saw your video first. You just saved me 2 hundo brother. That thing needs to be way more heavy duty. Maybe bigger tires as well. I don’t think I see those little wheels making it across some job sites specially after rain or snow. They’re just simply too small to skinny. Put beefier tires on it and an all metal frame while keeping the price the same, then and only then would I buy one. I’m very disappointed with this offering and expected a lot more from Milwaukee.

Damn I was stoked for this till he pointed out all that "plastic" come on milwaukee what were you thinking asking $200 for a "plastic" hand truck wtf?

Great review and props to big red for offering this. I'm a Plumber and already invested into team yellow racking system including their hand truck version years ago and I use it for water heaters. I've since ditched all my team yellow tools and replaced them with a mix of team orange octane/team red, but keeping the team yellow racking system because I like how van, shop racks and cart use the forks which allows convenient access to individual boxes without the need to separate them. Plus I love how I can fold the forks flat to wall in my van for open space to carry large items.

So Im an hvac installer and use this cart and love it. I bring in the pack outs I need with my dolly. Then use this dolly to pull their old furnace out and bring the new one in. Handles weight surprisingly well. And being plastic it’s so light weight.

I was going to buy that, I have some new appliances coming and I need a new 2 wheeler. Broke mine last year. That is too much plastic thanks for the heads up VeryCoolGang

Great vid Vince. Your correct, the whole cart needs to be metal. My electrical tool box weighs 60lbs alone. It would rip the clips right out of that thing. Especially rolling around muddy, rocky rough construction sites. And on that note, wider tires would be nice too. It seems they made a 'mall crawler' that's all flash and no beef. One reason why I use Ridgid portable toolboxes. I beat the heck out of them and they're inexpensive enough to replace when I need to.

I’m sticking with the Dewalt tough system. The wall mount system is phenomenal. I can grab any box I want without unstacking half of my tools. Also, their cart is built like a tank. Nice review!

thank you for sharing. Great video as always. Love your honest. I agree with you on the cart and its all plastic built. Living in the Chicago where once winter sets in and the temps are below 30 for 2 to 3 months, I believe like you it will not last. Also the extreme temp changes from outside to inside. Over the years I have cracked a few pack out boxes in the winter, when one fell out of the back of the truck and another hit the corner of a build when carrying it. I would like more metal on the main structure of the cart. I wondering if Milwaukee is getting a little greed on their pricing, because of their popularity with consumers. All the best to you and your family.

90% percent of my tools is Milwaukee and a lots of packout cases, i’m in the construction business. Milwaukee should re design this cart, Dewalt has a good one! I was really glad when milwaukee had presented this one this year, but the closing feature for the bottom plate seems bad and too many plastic pieces is never good especially for a tool that’s meant to take some what of a beaten. Milwaukee also needs an individual big box like the old cart. I honestly hope that Milwaukee modifies the new cart, i’ll pay the extra bucks for a cart that’s heavy duty and that’s going to make my job easier!

Yep, $200 is a lot for plastic. Also, the fact that you have to hang a pack-out crate on the easily broken plastic hanger before you can stack things up top is disappointing as well.

Good points, Vince They need to either lower the price, or make it with more metal. This version should be $100 and a “pro” model, made of metal, for $199

Vince +1 long term view. I'm not a contractor. My tools are my tools. I still tend to buy commercial stuff (when I can afford it) so I know it will hold up to the miss-use I'll most likely put it through. I live in north (like north north) wisconsin. Stuff gets cold. I was so excited when this was coming out as I could use it is a two wheeler. As well as for my limited packout stuff (squirrel: I dream of having a packout container for all of my Milwaukee tools. That way you just grab the stapler packout, or the router packout, haven't figured out the table saw yet) but with so much of it being plastic, I worry how it will fare at -20. I don't know that it'll stop me from buying it anyway (might take a few paydays to get two hundred bucks). Thanks for the continued honest reviews.

I agree…looked at this product in Home Depot. After realizing the amount of mastic involved, went to Harbor Freight, bought a 500lb Dolly and mounted a Packout plate on the base. Less than $100 total investment and will outlast this Milwaukee product hands down. Thanks Vince!

I went with the rigid boxes several years ago and have been happy with them, but I do look at the variety of pack out accessories with a little bit of jealousy. That is until I see the prices. It's sort of like buying popcorn in a movie theater. Milwaukee puts a really high markup on packout things because you are a captive consumer. The $300 radio is a good example. That's crazy.

It would be nice if it was made of metal, then it may be worth that price point. It does have a lifetime warranty however. Totally agree, if it was cheaper, it’s a no brainer. I’m up here in Canada and it actually get cold here, sub zero temperatures are a concern.

I agree with you Vince.. Too much plastic!!!!!

Love to see how well this holds up. Best cart system I've seen so far was made from an old beer keg dolly. The plumbers that do our houses built it, routered piece of 3/4" plywood for the base and it locks in with the Dewalt boxes. Slide the original base out of the metal rails/slot on the plywood base and it's off to get the crates full of parts. A piece of sheet metal between the handles flattens the back out and creates a spot for short pipe pieces.

Honest review and observations! I expect an all metal dolly. Plastic is for the Packout Boxes/Bins/Crates. Thank you Vince. -Oakland California

I was really excited about this but the plastic put a damper on things. I am not even upset about the price just wish it was more metal and I would grab one today. This is why I wait for a VCG review before I purchase. Thanks for the insight

Didn’t need this video to know this thing was junk, but thank you for bringing it to the publics attention. Great job guys as always!

That’s how I feel about Milwaukee. They make some really nice stuff, but when I needed to start getting some tools, and didn’t have a ton of money, I decided to go with a Ryobi combo package. I know they’re not exactly the same, but I got a drill, impact, circ saw, recip, multi tool, a couple other tools (I can’t remember), 2 batteries, charger, and a bag for $300. I probably would have had to shell out like $1,200 for Milwaukee. Yes, they probably would have been better, but the Ryobi stuff has served me well. I just recently started getting into the M12 stuff though.

Biggest reason I'm looking at it is to have a tool cart with the drawer containers. If they make a tool cart like the previous one, but with drawers, I'm on board. This might actually be what I'm looking for, even though it seems shotty for hauling concrete around. I just want a tool cart, and I love the long storage and the ability to add the drawer containers instead of regular ones you can't access without taking all of them apart first.

Get a large dolly with a large bass player and use the wall plates that Milwaukee has attach them to the base plate and there you go Milwaukee dolly

Thanks for the honest review. I have been going back and forth deciding if it was going to be worth it. Now I know, hopefully they will come up with an all metal construction version and I am glad I didn't pull the trigger on the preorder.

WOW. The folks over at Mil tools arent too happy this morning! LOL

Should been an all metal body. Specially during cold temps makes material brittle. My radius light fell about 18 inch from side of truck and cracked the whole top light still works but I think it was rated for 6 ft drop. I was a fan at first for this hand truck but after this not so much I’ll take. It for maybe 99

They need to redesign that cart and the new pack out light charger. They would have done better bringing out an m18 packout coffee maker!

Vince: you beat me to the video reviewing this utlility cart. I bought yesterday after staring at it for 40 mins at HD. Then, i said let's just buy it and see. When got home first thing my father in law complained about is all the plastic and weight capacity for $199. I was thinking the same thing at HD before buying it. I dont understand why did milwaukee use so much plastic combined with metal. The top hanging part should have been metal like the bottom plate. And the entire frame is plastic maybe it's a good idead for cutting down on the weight but, not durable enough. Maybe they should have used Aluminum atleast. The latchs for the bottom plate are a joke almost broke them the first time not to mention it's very akward to fold it in. Not to mention mine was all scratched up since the guys at home depot dont care they were draging them on the floor. Also, some customers were doing the same. I PERSONALLY like my tools look in perfect condition. If i'm paying top dollar for brand new tool, it should be handled better. That's one thing i dont like about HD.

Thank you for this video. I was really considering this dolly until you mentioned other people loading it in the truck. In my industry, that is exactly what happens on the daily. Of course, I didn't realize it was all plastic until you mentioned. Extremely helpful!

When the motivation of innovation is to “design to fail” we get products liken this. Instead of with quality designs and functions to last a generation at least........

We need a head to head comparison Milwaukee pack out cart Vs. Dewatlt tough system cart..also its probably $200 to cover the warranty on the plastic? 🤷‍♂️ Great video VCG 👊

You made a lot of very reasonable points. I also don't see this cart holding up to construction employees. It's not theirs, they don't csre. "The company has plenty of money." How many times have you heard that?

Always appreciate your work, and especially the honesty in this review. I did feel like it was a bit steep at that price point but still miles above the $50 plastic surface piece, that one was a bridge too far. This one just seems like it'd probably be better valued at the $100 - 125 mark like you had mentioned. Because I do see this lasting maybe a season, and while I'd not like dropping another hundo every year for a new one because the packout versatility does seem to be pretty awesome, two Benjamins does make the potential cost, sting a whole lot more!

Cheaply built but charge a high price, I think they designed those that way so it won't last long and they want the consumer to keep buying a replacement.

I wasn’t planning on getting this, there are so many aftermarket add ones to the system that make it manageable, but as soon as you put the crate on and I saw how wobbly it was, I would never consider this, especially at the price.

I am so happy you guys are calling Milwaukee out for this. Everywhere I have called Milwaukee out for this plastic dolly everyone seems to jump to their defense. I love Milwaukee, and I have rarely been dissapointed by their products, but this was a huge miss and feels like a cash grab to me...

@VCG Construction. Thanks Vince for your honest review of that new Milwaukee PACKOUT hand truck. Knowing you're a Milwaukee fan and say not only what's good but what's bad keeps us in the know. Real bummer about all that plastic. Even your Dewalt ToughSystem L Cart carrier is pretty much all metal and is cheaper. Of course Dewalt does a bone headed thing and doesn't include the rear locking bracket on their 2.0 boxes so you can lock the boxes to the carrier. It's a step back for those with the L Cart carrier that works great with 1.0 boxes. Hope you and your family stay safe and well.

Definitely think this should have been $129 max. And they could offer a "Pro" version with more metal construction for the $199 price point. With the Packout system, customization seemed to be one of the key selling points. Imagine if this cart was all metal and that metal panel in the back was attached by bolts and you could swap it out with different panels that do different things. Like instead of a panel to hang packout boxes there could be a curved panel so things like water heaters would sit centered more easily. Or another panel that has another horizontal surface on it so you can have multiple layers of things you can carry, etc... I think that would have been worth $199 and they could make money from different attachment pieces to customize the dolly...

I like the setup but I’m with you on the metal. Or lack there of. I have hesitated to buy one and that is why.

Would love to see a follow-up after some hard use! Thanks for being up front about it.

Very good review and I really respect your opinion. I take care of my tools, I am the type of guy that actually regularly oils my adjustable wrenches and pliers and I looked at that with all the flimsy plastic and I thought I (who takes good care of his tools) would break that. My solution has been to buy a regular all aluminum hand truck, and I built a base that I can slip the tounge of the hand truck into, out of aluminum square stock with a packout mounting plate (the ones intended for a work van) attached to the top. Anyone with a welder and a half hour could easily make this and I actually think it is better because now I can dismount my packout stack in one piece and use my hand truck to then move other stuff. Also if you don't care about how the base looks just its function it could be made from 2x4s in about 5 minutes.

I don't believe it would survive my work environment for a year. I'm an appliance installer for Lowe's. Wall ovens, dishwashers, cooktops, ranges and exc exc. In and out of a truck multiple times a day.

Junk... we already pay premium prices from milwaukee..

Thank you Vince, at that price point the dolly should be all steel or heavy duty aluminum with solid rubber wheels and a little taller

Please do a long term review. I work for a solar company and figured this would be a great solution to avoid carrying around the huge bottom tool box. But I have to load and unload my work truck daily so if you could do the testing so I don’t have too, from one vince to another that’d be pretty nifty.

The Dewalt one is almost all metal but leaves something to be desired as its super wide

Good review Vince! helps me with decisions as I moved forward with my organization efforts.

Looking forward to the long term review. I've been checking the system out and I'm hoping they come out with an improved version or a version that allows you to replace parts that crack 🤷‍♂️

I appreciate the honest review.. I really want this or the rolling toolbox..I desperately need transport, but I think I'm going to keep using my wheel barrow for now.. maybe I'll weld some brackets on a real dolly for long stuff.. who knows.. might even attach a Packout bracket... thanks for the ideas 👍

The dewalt toughsystem rolling cart I think is a better choice even if you are not in the toughsystem boxes you probably could just rig the packout boxes to work with it, the packout cart looks like a cheap toy you would buy at Walmart

Sorry I am late i was getting a Christmas tree! I like my tough system! I would switch to pack out if they made a pack-out coffee maker! Thx for this review! Hit that like button!

Great video! I always appreciate your practical take on things, and how you approach every review as a regular guy who actually works with, and uses, the tools that he reviews. Keep up the good work!

Thank you for your honesty. I love Milwaukee tools too, but this one, just by looking at it, I can also tell it’s not going to last more than a few years. Especially when comparing it to a steel dolly that can last generations.

I'm a milwaukee fan boy, but yes I do appreciate an honest review. And yes I want more metal! 🤘

Hey Vince!!!!! Have a Wonderful Christmas

I'm a rescreener of pool enclosures. I see where your coming from. Theres no cover over the axle rod. Which I'm sure if it hits something itll get bent. Sitting out in Florida heat for a year or 2. I'll have to test it. Thanks for the Video.

Definitely want to see a follow up video about how its doing on the job site! Really want to pull the trigger on this but not sure if its worth the price tag. Thanks for the honest review 👍

Yo bro, make sure you wear this safety glasses. Also, do they ship these to Indonesia?

You're better off buying a reliable aluminum COSCO, Safco, or Magliner hand truck for less.

Thank you for the review. Was really eyeballing this for the same reasons as you but couldnt swallow the plastic for $200. My buddy picked up the regular packout cart on black Friday so maybe these will drop a little or include more metal as time goes on

I live somewhere that gets close -40 every winter, I don't think I'd trust to use one of these on a cold winter day without taking extra care which would not always be on my mind early in the morning on a cold winter day. Was considering it but unless the price goes down I don't think I could commit to it as is.

I really do like the idea of the pack out system. BUT, the pricing is pretty ridiculous. Honestly I think they could half the prices of most of the items, and they would sell like hot cakes. I have seen more people go with the rigid pro box system or the Dewalt tough system over the pack out just on price alone.

1000% ACCURATE.

Thank you for the objective review. The cold is an unforgiving factor on the outcome of our purchases. love the concept of: a universal platform, that carries a decent amount of weight, with integral options for long items and the pack out to clip in. If I got what I wanted, it would be full aluminum construction, 10-12 air tires for going over grass, taller handle height option for higher weight capacity but easier to handle(think appliance dolly). They will figure it out, or someone will.

The only R&D that went into this was how do we make a metal handcart into a plastic one with more versatility, they made this outta plastic so it'll break sooner and by then you'll be hooked on the versatility it offers over a metal cart and buy another one!!

Happy Sunday VCG

I agree, I've been waiting for a foldable dolly for the packout and feel so let down by this I wont even purchase this.

Back in the early 2000s I was working with my father and we picked up the contract Coinmach Industries they used to be one of the largest washer and dryer companies. They used to be up and down the East Coast in the basement apartment building Coinmach and Hercules where the 2 biggest companies on the East Coast. They passed a law that washing machine had to be a foot off the ground so are used to remove everything mix 80lb bags of Ready-Mix concrete anywhere from around 100 to 200 bags turn everything was by hand truck because you had to go down the stairs and move over a long distance. But even with our hand tools this will be nice I like the wheels being on the inside not to hit door frames😎👍👊🇺🇸

Vince. With all the aftermarket pack out accessories out there. It would be interesting to see a “real” hand truck modified to receive packout.

the real question is...can Vince wheel that cart around with 400 lbs on it 🤔 😂😂

Im sure that 200$ has injury compensation in mind.

I think you're right on the money, I'm not sure if it would last in and out of the truck year after year as most plastic things do not, but it would be a nice at home in the shop tool crate mover, having all the boxes stacked and being able to move them around the garage is helpful so yes it would be worth it in that aspect but if you were a plumber or electrician on the job daily, prolly not

For $200 I don't think it should have any plastic! I live in MN and I'm only a diy chick but I haul my stuff around and I would end up breaking that in the cold temps here! 👍 Great video Vince!

Milwaukee: Let’s compete with those metal hand trucks with plastic and since we got a packout ecosystem, we can raise the prices. This is like the same stuff apple does in the tech market.

LEDs cost nothing now. I can get a 3000 lumen LED COB for $5 on eBay shipped.

I agree with the video! No way this would hold up to daily use. Please do an update video (maybe when it breaks) and compare to Tough System. Thanks.

I had my PACKOUT vac with a 12.0 inside stacked on top of the milk crate hanging like you have it in the video, had all kinds of stuff inside milk crate including a sawzall hanging off the side of milk crate and rolled it like that over a km with no issue, obviously small sample size but I was impressed

Tell us the Truth Vince! I'd jump for $99 but not $199

Glad you have the same opinion I thought the price was high. I'm actually getting to the point all milwaukee packout shit is to high Rigid I have also I hate the position on the handle for the lock But it does the same job a lot less cost Dont get me wrong I love Milwaukie tools But Cost is to much I'm even starting to like the rigid tools. Milwaukie is pricing as if their the only show in town. Used to be normal prices Now with the cost of batteries And to be honest Their not the best batteries anymore I used to run 2 to 3 times longer than anyone on sites With the older style batteries I still have the older tools but now my last battery is starting to die so now I'm stuck with my older tools no battery I have plenty of new ones but I just still like the old ones New batteries its this amp hr that amp hr. Milwaukee was just better from gate Now their just another tool depending on how much you pay for batteries. I'm seriously thinking as these tools get replaced it may not be my old time favorite To over priced for the same thing. I don't mind a little extra but Batteries wtf my truck battery don't cost as much as an m18 I'm about done with the cordless world with the battery cost the way they are. They just don't last like the old ones did And for the price I expect a whole lot more Anyway Keep the vids going good stuff

Happy Sunday, VCG and the Gang! Great work!👍🧰😍

I have the 800lb plastic hand truck. Been in use for 10 years in the sun most of the time. It doesn't move super heavy loads but it moves a/c's that can be up to 350lbs. I understand the questioning but I will trust it.

Thx for review, would love to hear a follow up review Vince👍

I’d love to see the long term review! I’m wanting to buy one for my plumbing van.

I picked mine up the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. Same concerns as you. Base plate flexes on a full stack more then the roller box. Balance point on it is nice, but storage sucks. A bed divider in a truck nicely keeps the boxes in place, but the dolly has to be stored in the back seat or strapped closer to the cab (if you have a short bed, won’t fit nicely). Sucks even more to get it out if you have a tonneau cover. I had a lot of excitement for this and I’m let down as well. Plate should lock both ways, with one release.

Great review just like always! Thank you Vince!! Yeah metal is a always better than plastic and I agree guys at construction often exceed capacities that it designed for so shelf hinges should be made of metal