the Union voted 89-60 in favour of the motion “This House believes woke culture has gone too far.”

You can tell the woke culture has gone too far when the official oxford union channel is afraid to put the results of a debate regarding woke culture in the description of their respective videos. And a random commenter has to do that job.

Woke - When you see racism and injustice under every rock, behind every tree, under every bed and in every closet. When you see racism and injustice everywhere except within your own self righteous behavior.

She nailed it when she called woke culture, "performative".

Excellent job Oxford Union in putting meaningful conversation and content into public spaces. And I agree, the Woke Culture has gone too far.

'The working class don't want communism, it's just mind games for the middle class.' Johnny 'Rotten' Lydon.

Thankyou Oxford Union. You never cease to post interesting material. God Speed

Mr Woke Britain would be sure to be a middle class trans man, climate activist who updates their Instagram pronouns and TikTok 4 times a day minimum, whilst glued to a motorway somewhere

Society ceased making sense to me a couple of years ago. in an attempt to get to the bottom of things i have spent hundreds of hours on literary theory, from Homer to Derrida. The post modern literary theorists are fairly divorced from reality. There are some truths in Foucault but there's a lot of non truths. Derrida is just totally off the wall. If these ideas stayed in the field of literary theory things would be fine..but someone decided the power of language was more important than logic. Logic is the only tool you have at your disposal. ~ are there students at Oxford University that don't beleive in logic? And postmodernists refuse to define anything. If you can't ask questions about something it is probably a lie.

Forgiveness - a key characteristic that is lacking entirely those that pretend to have social justice in mind. Society must be able to forgive, everyone makes "mistakes", or transgresses. We should not be burned permanently, that way society collapses far quicker.

Amazing. How much fun is this? A forum to chat raise issues in a light hearted way. More of this!!!

Ermm... isn't Oxford leading wokery?

Why not post the entire debate in one video?

Why can’t they post the whole debate? Not chunked up? Some of us have an attention span that can cope with it.

I have a good definition of being "Woke" - it's to believe that somehow, you have a better moral ground, more care, more logic, more interest or a better perception of the world around you than anyone else. That is the problem, together with all the second hand, criminal ideology you sustain. not only you stand for such criminal totalitarian views, but you also dare to think that in any way you are right or know better than everyone else in the planet. Your views and approach are almost as criminal as the regimes on which side you stand for. You are not there yet, but give you time and space, you will surely get there. And you will use any sort of violence to get there. Sounds familiar? because it is. There. Any questions?

She has potential, just ditch the note. Train your speech and learn to improvise.

Very brave young woman to stand up and speak like that. I recently spoke at my own wedding as the groom, aged 30, significantly older than her… I wasn’t in front of cameras, famous people or any opposition… I was shaking with nerves

I have a lot of sympathy as I know it's not easy presenting in this way, but It's so painful having to watch someone read every single word from a prepped document, you literally miss half of the arguement.

Every step in the wrong direction is a step too far.

The problem with social justice is not the performative wokeness the ideology naturally engenders, but the underlying post-modernist assumptions that underpin the entire enterprise. This presentation is an example of missing the forest for the trees.

Performative == Virtue Signalling Brilliant articulation..

Vedika🤗So well said!

Finding this debate is an absolute godsend. The woke will not debate. Thank you for steel manning their positions to further expose the rusted foundation. 🇺🇸👍

Well said!!!! I couldnt have said it better. At what point does it end.

Anyone else think of chocolate, when they see all those brown squares on the wall?

She basically argued that the problem is that wokeists are virtue signaling rather than actually bringing about a cultural revolution. She seems to be a proponent of woke culture.

Wokeness blames everyone for everything in the past from people so self righteous & morally superior they can't see the faults in their own ways.

5:48 - Who can champion these issues the loudest. Like 95% of diversity representations on British media are Afro-Caribbeans, who are about 40% smaller a population group compared to British Asians.

I'm sorry, but constant mistakes when reading made it a very diffcult thing to listen..was she nervous or unprepared?

Oxford get with the times, put the debate on one big long video

Is there a complete, long-form version of this debate available?

Thank you for this!

Terrifying that one can side with a false and created narrative in the face of facts. 3:2 ratio here shows us where we are and which path we're heading towards but reinforces that: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

They must have put her first, to spare her the humiliation of trying to follow Konstantin Kisin...

This is under Oxford level!! "Social justice" just does NOT exist: If justice gets social, it´s not justice anymore.

Personal attacks do not make a cogent argument.

1:56 the roasting of the opposition speakers begins.

I think I'd be hardpressed not to slap someone who said "asexual rights". That much nonsense packed into 2 words is astounding.

This glosses over something I wish was adressed more: the name "woke" itself. The name of a movement is its core, it's foundations, and the name of the woke movement is one of the most pompous, self- important descriptions i've ever heard. Think about it... If one is woke, and others are not, that implies one is awake and others are asleep. It's so insulting to anyone who disagrees with you! It's like if I started a political party and called it "the geniuses"... How arrogant is that? If at the end of a debate, we agreed to disagree, I would end-up saying "well, of course we're going to disagree on some things, that's why i'm a Genius, and you're not! Not everyone can be Geniuses... And you're just one of those people who will simply never be a Genius." What I just said there is completely polite, technically-speaking, but you still want to punch me in the face! Just because of what i chose to call my movement! Wokeness suffers from that tremendously, and I bet it's also influenced its own members into adopting the condescending tone inherent in the title.

I am sick and tired of these virtue signalling crowd.

I hope the rest of this debate doesn’t shape up to be left vs left. These arguments don’t tackle some ideologies, just the methods and tactics used by woke people. Hopefully we’ll see some people from the right tackling issues such as transgenderism rather than discussing the best ways to continue supporting gender ideology!

She argues against wokeness with woke reasons. Shows just how far it has seeped into the culture. Pretty sad.

89-60 is a sad reflection on the ethos,morality and general senselessness of people who are purportedly among the best thinkers and analysts in our culture .

Imagine if there were an independent Woke country that spoke a new language that was gender neutral. 🤔

No one here knows what they are talking about. Everyone here has done too much Twitter.

Poor form reading verbatim from wrinkled notes, and she can barely even do that

UNIQUE DEBATE INDEED

I find listening to glitchy reading from any adult very arduous

As an active member of our high school debating club in the early 60's in southern Africa, here's a suggestion for some of the so called debaters - After the 4 debaters and a date had been chosen, the debate topic picked, we the debaters were then told to prepare to debate for each side. It was only at the start of the debate that each team was then told which side they were to debate for. It seems to me that the woke debaters here just might learn a thing or two from this approach.

James Lindsay! yay! :)

Unless I'm mistaken she's meant to be arguing that 'woke culture has gone too far'. Why, then, is she arguing the polar opposite? She's outflanking the woke from the left by complaining that people don't follow through on their rhetoric. Is she a Tory, by any chance?

I feel the fact that we’re even speaking on this woke thing is gonna get us to the point where we understand exactly what wrong and right is and it’ll be in plain sight

She needs to learn her argument better this is like an audiobook not a debate😂😂

These guys are so well spoken. I am impressed but honestly I would rather listen or read cs lewis or tolkien

Is this an old debate just posted? Lindsay is not banned on Twitter so this girl either did a lousy job in preparing or they failed to mention how old this debate is.

"asexual rights activist" LOL

Vedika is gorgeous.

This is wonderful.

I thought Woke was when Alex Scott presents MOTD?

Couldn't get through it. Not interested in being read to by someone stumbling over their text.

How many of the audience took the yes door?

A director of Walmart doesn't mean Walmart as a company donated to anti-trans bills.

adrenaline is a hell of a drug

Vedika Rastogi This House Believes Woke Culture Has Gone To Far - 1/8 Oxford Union

I've watched a few debates on this channel. One of the few places you get steel man arguments on both sides!

Plus, the those FOR the motion’s videos have gotten about 50,000 Likes to about 3,000 Likes by the Against. We are the Majority. Not by color or ethnicity, but by morals and beliefs.

it is so difficult to listen to her because she keeps stumbling when reading her notes!!

this is by manipulation. The perforative aspect of it would not have come about without social media and the way it has been designed to elicit this.

I think it’s weird to talk about trans support when conservatives and republicans are much more likely to side with the opinion that gender transition is immoral in nature. You can use that trans topic to push ur narrative that activism is performative but at least leftists will stand firm in equality and support for LGBTQ+ while right leaning people can’t wrap their heads around pronouns

Extraordinary that in a supposedly advanced society such as the Oxford Union, in 2022 (with MeToo and the many complaints against the male human being's toxic masculinity and his 'male gaze'), while the men are still modestly dressed, with only hands and face exposed, the women still opt for the naked look, exposing bare arms/shoulders/more than just the cleavage, and even legs/thighs. A bit difficult, one would think, to sustain the many sexist accusations against men, since no one has forced them to dress that way.

The fact that she stumbles over every second sentence causes me stress and makes it hard for me to pay attention to what she says. She has room to improve her public speaking.

Instead of talking about wokeism going too far, let’s just point out everyone’s failures according to my opinion, so I don’t have to speak about this topic, at this prestigious institution.

She made great points, but constantly stumbled over her words. Young people try to talk too fast and it all becomes a blur. I learned early on that if you are making a public speech you need to talk slowly and precisely so that people can digest what you are saying. It's a bit like trying to read the license plate on a car going past you at 200 mph. I didn't have a university education let alone one at one of the most prestigious universities in the world, but I am far more legible than this. Slow your address down.

asexual rights? what are those?

Go woke, lose debates at Oxford. Wait, it doesn’t rhyme

I would have rehearsed my lines and tried to read less of my notes.....and would have kept my noted neat and tidy...I am so un-woke.

So what if a director at Walmart contributed to something, that's his right. I'm a director at my company, my political or charitable contributions are none of their business.

Not really on topic of the debate, but why is there an asexual rights movement. I don't think that anyone really cares if someone is asexual or not?

👏👏👏👏👏👏

I know what FF is thinking. Disgusting.

Is there a site where we can read up their articles?

She needs to get some lessons on public speaking. Otherwise I'm sure what she was trying to say was interesting. Long complex words does not make the best of speeches. Lost opportunity in making your point saddly.

She's so strongly against performative activism that she didn't "perform" her speech, but rather read it. Even if I'm against "wokism" (which I am) it's still important to present a case as a persuasive presenter, not a stumbling and hesitant reader. Egads.

Is your argument consists of ad-hominems then you have no argument

I need the data

It's a shame students are not encouraged to present without reading their script. Use prompters yes, but read less.

She makes good points but speaks terribly. It's very hard to follow her

Did she make that bracelet with items she found in the stationary cabinet?

Whatever the result, the principal speaker for the motion was poor. Surely, to engage the audience & attract support the speaker should be creating a superb, hard-hitting performance? She didn’t.

The content was ok but the style of delivery was poor.

Why not just the full debate instead of split into 8 parts?

btw she wrote the whole speech on paper lol

woke culture is plebian

who won the vote in the end?

honestly what the f*** is an Asexual rights activist

Social justice isn’t biblical justice

Good info really poorly presented. 👎👎. How did she get into Oxford? If a smarter speaker had this slot…

Wow it's really boring to listen to someone just read a piece of paper. Why is she up there if she doesn't know her stuff enough to speak off the top of her head? She's bursting out of that dress by the way.

lol 0:50... "mr woke" .... reminds me of Mr Booze Mr Woke Mr Woke Mr dbl "u" oh kay eee! You'll go broke with Mr Woke...

Wow her terrible speaking ability really undermined some really good points. She should try beta blockers next time she needs to do this