Vegan vs. Meat Eater - Steven Rinella

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12 жыл бұрын

As a hunter, the question comes up all the time: how can I justify the killing of animals for food? My reply varies according to the circumstances, particularly to whether or not the person is actually willing to hear my response. Recently, I was posed this question while promoting my new book, Meat Eater: Adventures from the Life of an American Hunter, at a Greenlight Bookstore event in Fort Greene, Brooklyn. Here's what happened. -Steven Rinella
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@xeftones
@xeftones 4 жыл бұрын
Eww gross. Two humans being respectful towards one another. This isnt what the Internet was created for.
@MoskusMoskiferus1611
@MoskusMoskiferus1611 4 жыл бұрын
You are truly suppose to be Hunted by a group of Bears
@keuwlcat1319
@keuwlcat1319 4 жыл бұрын
@@MoskusMoskiferus1611 that's racist against bears
@murrayj420
@murrayj420 4 жыл бұрын
this made me lol
@littleshepherdfarm2128
@littleshepherdfarm2128 4 жыл бұрын
Y'all are cracking me up!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ToolforOffice
@ToolforOffice 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@schawnfleites1555
@schawnfleites1555 4 жыл бұрын
Wow a vegan and meat eater talk without a flip out, truly is a nice thing.
@tgbeam
@tgbeam 4 жыл бұрын
Cause this was in 2012. Flash forward 7 years, and we have outrage culture with a society that wouldn't be able to hold a conversation like this without slinging some political slur or freaking out
@steveclarke1857
@steveclarke1857 4 жыл бұрын
Truthfully, people aren't interested in listening anymore. We as a culture tend to take what we want from the things we see, read and hear, and then reject everything else that goes against our opinions. I agree with you, this was a nice exchange. I was expecting it to be a closed minded yell fest aimed at masturbating egos. I was really happy to hear Steven Pinella outline a world view very similar to mine as someone that is basically vegan (outside of game meat I or my friends). If we keep approaching everything as an opportunity to try and build up our egos instead of expand our understanding, we're truly doomed as a culture and society.
@steveclarke1857
@steveclarke1857 4 жыл бұрын
​@Laurent Courtois Eating meat doesn't make you a bloodthirsty tyrant, and neither does not eating meat.
@steveclarke1857
@steveclarke1857 4 жыл бұрын
@Laurent Courtois That may have been your intent, but it wasn't what you said.
@steveclarke1857
@steveclarke1857 4 жыл бұрын
@Laurent Courtois Mate. You brought up Hitler's diet and then his like of animals and dislike of people. It's not between any lines.
@chasescanlon6488
@chasescanlon6488 3 жыл бұрын
“That’s a deal man, I’ll read it tonight I promise” When that old man smiled after he said that my heart got warm
@pinchJMAN555
@pinchJMAN555 3 жыл бұрын
u go to Carmel?
@StabbyJoe135
@StabbyJoe135 3 жыл бұрын
A 2 minute vegan info learning experience in exchange for a book sale? Sounds worth it to me
@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS
@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS 3 жыл бұрын
That's what got me. With the current situation in my country, his smile felt like a hug.
@samuelan5996
@samuelan5996 3 жыл бұрын
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS this is unfortunately very true
@AJohns47
@AJohns47 2 жыл бұрын
That wasn't an old man it was actually a 19yr old woman but that's just how unhealthy she looks being vegan
@monstermilkman4567
@monstermilkman4567 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, you know this is old when people actually respect one another’s opinion 😂
@monstermilkman4567
@monstermilkman4567 3 жыл бұрын
@Sparka J it’s more of this leftist culture not realizing that other people have thoughts and you should respect them. Our fake news is brainwashing insignificant people who are always told what to do. Can’t think on there own
@NoInjusticeLastsForever
@NoInjusticeLastsForever 3 жыл бұрын
There's nothing respectable about needlessly killing animals. 🤷🏻
@henryybenryy6575
@henryybenryy6575 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever oh would you and your man puss get out of here.. It’s hunting and it’s not murder... Human nature
@Buckwheat0
@Buckwheat0 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever A bullet is a pretty great fate compared to life at a factory farm or violently ripped apart by another predator, ngl
@NoInjusticeLastsForever
@NoInjusticeLastsForever 3 жыл бұрын
@@Buckwheat0 It's still needless and murder. No excuse for such uncivilized behavior. 🤷🏻
@ytehrani3885
@ytehrani3885 7 жыл бұрын
This was really respectful - both sides - well done.
@dr.tragedy1941
@dr.tragedy1941 4 жыл бұрын
It’s a question. He never accused. He said “isn’t it murder”. Seems pretty respectful on both sides. No tantrums. No interruptions.
@ericpauly311
@ericpauly311 4 жыл бұрын
@@NoBody-pw3kf please calm down
@mannox775
@mannox775 4 жыл бұрын
@@NoBody-pw3kf so true
@mannox775
@mannox775 4 жыл бұрын
Ye
@shon5960
@shon5960 4 жыл бұрын
Fuck the vegtard
@ac060
@ac060 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect example that we can disagree with people and still be respectful.
@european-one
@european-one 4 жыл бұрын
A rarity these days
@charlestolley2294
@charlestolley2294 3 жыл бұрын
The trick is that neither wants to force the other into compliance. If you actually hope to convince someone, reason is the best tool
@rodneypratt7082
@rodneypratt7082 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 63 years old and I was raised that way you're supposed to agree to disagree and not be all shity about it, what a concept
@hardwatercamper
@hardwatercamper 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlestolley2294 I like that.
@sirdavidr6064
@sirdavidr6064 2 жыл бұрын
Except that’s not how the world works. People aren’t meant to disagree but still be respectful on every topic. Which fruit taste better, sure but when it comes to health and survival, respect is something that shouldn’t be shown.
@adamduncan6513
@adamduncan6513 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't even call this a vs moment. They were just having an honest conversation. Nice to see it
@cartergomez5390
@cartergomez5390 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@ElliotScottDating
@ElliotScottDating 2 жыл бұрын
Respect to the older man if anything. Usually people aren't that open minded.
@joshuafurlong5270
@joshuafurlong5270 2 жыл бұрын
for real, He came off a bit strong, I wont lie. As Steven said he was really asking a question, he was making a point. But he was very respectful in the way he made his point, and was no way aggressive. He also didn't refute anything Steven said, he wanted his answer and he got it. Great conversation on both parts.
@saschasingsong5868
@saschasingsong5868 2 жыл бұрын
I really liked that "converstation". I was eating way too much meat and I did buy it, where it was the cheapest. Since I got a bit older and have more money in my pocket, I really question myself "do I want THAT meat?". I looked around my city and found farmes, that have "happy" cows and pigs and I am willing to pay more money for that animal (for its meat). I don´t like the pictures you see from big factories and how they handle the animals. Right now I am finishing my hunting license, to get even more in touch with it. So yeah.. it is nicer to sit with someone who does see the living animal behind the meat.
@guitarjeffy4966
@guitarjeffy4966 7 жыл бұрын
Steve didn't debate. He mearly presented an acurate and valid point of view without invalidating or insulting the vegan. A true ambassador for the cause. I enjoy his videos immensely.
@kendahomie
@kendahomie 7 жыл бұрын
Guitar Jeffy The cause?
@guitarjeffy4966
@guitarjeffy4966 7 жыл бұрын
Ahh...going for a little troll Ken? Meh. Not worth the time. Nice try though.
@kendahomie
@kendahomie 7 жыл бұрын
Guitar Jeffy As is your cause....
@guitarjeffy4966
@guitarjeffy4966 7 жыл бұрын
My cause? Do we know each other? Any ways leave me alone that's all i got to say to you. And go ahead and prove to the world that your a narcissist get the last word in.
@kendahomie
@kendahomie 7 жыл бұрын
Guitar Jeffy You win bud
@dagnastyodi4196
@dagnastyodi4196 4 жыл бұрын
props to the vegan guy for being very respectful.
@albertledesma5173
@albertledesma5173 4 жыл бұрын
That wasn’t “respectful”. Like Steve said, he wasn’t REALLY asking a question. He was passive aggressively trying to make a point.
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 4 жыл бұрын
Albert Ledesma that’s still as respectful as I’ve ever seen a vegan act especially when they knew they were being filmed.
@albertledesma5173
@albertledesma5173 4 жыл бұрын
Joshua Patrick Well if that’s the case, then that definitely doesn’t say much about vegans collectively.
@clinclin1240
@clinclin1240 4 жыл бұрын
He knew he would be publicly embarrassed and run out on a rail if he showed his true colors. Besides, did you see how low energy and utterly strung out that dude looked? Veganism really does a number on people.
@european-one
@european-one 4 жыл бұрын
@@albertledesma5173 I don't think that was passive agressive at all, it's the most common argument against eating meat and surely addressed in the book. If the guy wasn't happy to answer that question he wouldn't be doing a Q&A. People are allowed to disagree, the fact the conversation was so civil means one read the vegan pamphlet, the other read the book on eating meat. Hopefully both come away with a better understanding of the other. It's how society develops
@thumper9633
@thumper9633 2 жыл бұрын
I know the elderly gentleman, he's a really great human. Very impressed with the tone of Steven's response, so nice to see two adults with diverging perspectives have an authentic conversation with mutual respect.
@auto_5
@auto_5 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome.
@weathp
@weathp Жыл бұрын
That’s so crazy you know him. I believe you when you say he’s a great human. He definitely acts like it here.
@emerginglobster2075
@emerginglobster2075 9 ай бұрын
How do you know him?
@gandalf2256
@gandalf2256 8 ай бұрын
​@emerginglobster2075 it's true, I know him too. I jerk him off in a toilet block off I95 every second thursday
@abasin08
@abasin08 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most sophisticated explanations of knowing your “why”, Steve not only defends his reasons, but kills two birds with one stone. He explains, and invites an adversary to the table, that’s how you do it…politicians take notes. Is just people having a discussion respectfully. Good job Steve!
@lipripnc9366
@lipripnc9366 4 жыл бұрын
I've grown to greatly admire Steve Rinella. He's one of the most well articulated men in the world of hunting. Each of his novels are well worth the read.
@austinholm-mcrae2777
@austinholm-mcrae2777 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, he does appear to have very well functioning joints.. quite flexible...well articulated...
@josh_da_boss_hello4571
@josh_da_boss_hello4571 3 жыл бұрын
Probably cause he’s a English grad from UM.
@bigamigo4863
@bigamigo4863 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree been a fan of his for a long time. people don't know how good of a writer he really is. His books are really good.
@SaileAway
@SaileAway 2 жыл бұрын
He writes novels?
@zachphirman6219
@zachphirman6219 2 жыл бұрын
@@SaileAway I'm only aware of nonfiction
@KenDBerryMD
@KenDBerryMD 4 жыл бұрын
Great debate. Handled very well.
@bigpat989
@bigpat989 3 жыл бұрын
This is because what they had was a conversation it wasn’t one side screaming at the other. They probably walked away with both of them not changing their opinions but at least they have a little more insight into each others mindset
@strings1586
@strings1586 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigpat989 that older gentlemen didn’t even really know what he was talking about but they still tried to empathize and understand each other. Great conversation between two adult human beings
@user-yp3oj5se1i
@user-yp3oj5se1i 3 жыл бұрын
@@strings1586 The older man was very clear. The babbling meat eating man kept going off point during his answer. One of the reasons he gave on why humans should eat other animals was because it's been happening a long time............... . That's not a reason to keep eating meat. Pro meat eaters act that way as they have no case. There is no reason to keep eating meat other than how it tastes to them ( although most meat eaters add herbs to improve the taste of meat) and how full it makes them feel as it takes longer to break down meat. All the nutrient/vitamins are in fruit/veg. The highest b12 source is found in seaweed. Plants also have far more protein then any red meat, pork, chicken or fish. Many animals that are hunted by humans have better characters than the humans themselves.
@kingrider75
@kingrider75 3 жыл бұрын
@DK It is quite amazing what can be accomplished when one side doesn’t attack the other.
@threezerol944t
@threezerol944t 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-yp3oj5se1i You're delusional.
@user-ru9gf7ky2y
@user-ru9gf7ky2y 2 жыл бұрын
Steve Rinella has absolutely made a huge impact on my adult life. I can not get enough of his knowledge. I'm so glad I am alive to witness it.
@connerenglish2135
@connerenglish2135 3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this video a few years ago and it was the first exposure I had to Steven Rinella. I’ve grown to be a really big fan of Steven and his MeatEater crew. Rinella is assertively articulate. My admiration for communication has been stoked again in life because of the way he portrays his thought. Just wanted to say thank you Steve for all that you and your team does for preservation of wildlife and our right to access land that can put food on our tables. I have learned a shit ton from this guy over the years, if you’ve never listened to his podcast, check it out. -Public Land Owner
@Nordicrancher
@Nordicrancher 5 жыл бұрын
Ethical hunters and vegans have more in common than we think. At the root of things, we are both motivated by a desire to think deeply about the origin and ethics of our food sources and the relationship we have with animals through our food choices. We both value a human-animal relationship that excludes suffering. In this case, vegans chose to avoid eating animals, while hunters chose to pursue a way of gathering their own meat that gives hunters greater control over ensuring that the animals we eat are killed ethically.
@aidankelly198
@aidankelly198 4 жыл бұрын
Penis ASMR- despite the name of your profile, that is very wise and well put
@kyanberusama8847
@kyanberusama8847 4 жыл бұрын
@@aidankelly198 🤣🤣 agreed
@Nordicrancher
@Nordicrancher 4 жыл бұрын
ORYX X There are many types of vegans out here. Im sorry that you only have met the wrong ones.
@alexcontreras6103
@alexcontreras6103 4 жыл бұрын
I think hunting is far more ethical than having an animal live in a pen it's whole life then get slaughter, at least it roams free before getting killed. And in many regards the shot placement hunter place on animals ends them with little suffering
@dahliaserrato1706
@dahliaserrato1706 4 жыл бұрын
This is incredibly well said. I’m primarily a vegetarian. Not because I think eating meat is necessarily wrong. I think factory farming is disgusting, unsanitary, and inhumane not only to animals but to humans too. If I had the resources to hunt or raise my own meat, 100% I’d eat it.
@jasonkubichek6702
@jasonkubichek6702 5 жыл бұрын
Steve is ridiculously intelligent and a person we should all strive to be like. Awesome watching this!
@hendersonx
@hendersonx 5 жыл бұрын
I stumbled across Steven and meat eater on Netflix. After binge watching the three seasons available (5/6/7) and being in awe of his respect and outlook on hunting, conservation and life itself, I have changed how I view hunting and am now in the process of getting my firearm licence. He is an amazing ambassador for hunting.
@UnspokenWilderness
@UnspokenWilderness 4 жыл бұрын
I would hate to see 10,000 Steve Rinellas running around and having to subscribe to them all. I strive to be myself and continue to make strides in life. I very much appreciate Steve. There's a big difference.
@thats70sraptor30
@thats70sraptor30 4 жыл бұрын
From harmony fl?
@joshuasteele5108
@joshuasteele5108 4 жыл бұрын
@French Frys nobody cares.
@joshuasteele5108
@joshuasteele5108 4 жыл бұрын
@French Frys you apparently have a lot to say haha. Please mindlessly ramble on some more for our entertainment please. And also Epstein didn't kill himself.
@iloatheyootoob6954
@iloatheyootoob6954 3 жыл бұрын
This was a lovely exchange, respect and civility all around. Wish we could see more of this these days.
@morrisonjohnw
@morrisonjohnw 3 жыл бұрын
I have a handful of vegans in my family. It’s difficult eating out with them but I respect their discipline. Most have actually come to respect my passion for hunting. “Bambi” came up a lot in our earlier conversations. We have become so detached from the natural world! Love to hear you talk about hunting.
@Paulpoission
@Paulpoission 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if we had elected officials that spoke this way?
@digitalhippie2336
@digitalhippie2336 3 жыл бұрын
Actually that's exactly why people like him, almost always try to stay away from politics I've seen comments a lot of times about different cool folks, like "why people like you don't run for president" or "I'd vote for you" People like that have a really very different point of view about life and things, and have a good understanding what a mess politics is, and that they should stay away from this dirty swamp to stay who they are There's plenty of examples when cool people get themselves into politics as well, to really make an impact and change things for better, but they either realize what it is made of on the half way and simply quit, or accept it and decide to play by those rules, and become one of them so they can keep moving forward It's all about what you believe in and how you want to live your life. And I don't blame any of them 🙃
@hahnsmantra7276
@hahnsmantra7276 3 жыл бұрын
I don't vote for them....therefore I don't have a problem with em None of what they do affects my life...in any way.
@CodyMoore1987
@CodyMoore1987 3 жыл бұрын
I would certainly vote for Steve!!!
@Rips4Days
@Rips4Days 3 жыл бұрын
@@digitalhippie2336 shroood
@digitalhippie2336
@digitalhippie2336 3 жыл бұрын
@@bdoll121212 Never heard of that one. Which is true as well I guess
@firelord1125
@firelord1125 4 жыл бұрын
This is how you’re supposed to debate someone.
@yovalks
@yovalks 3 жыл бұрын
If only every debate were so amicable - hell, if only every argument was a debate where both sides were allowed to speak...
@ashtonoates4798
@ashtonoates4798 3 жыл бұрын
i wouldn’t even call this a debate, just a sharing of ideas. debate to me implies a winner and a loser, which is not a productive way to discuss with people
@mikejessmax
@mikejessmax 2 жыл бұрын
Take notes Joey Carbstrong
@duanevigue1603
@duanevigue1603 2 жыл бұрын
Sharing different perspectives and wanting to understand where the other person is coming from isnt a debate.
@earthpart3
@earthpart3 Жыл бұрын
How is that how you're supposed to debate? He didn't even have any good defenses, just the same lame "arguments" made by brainwashed meat eaters.
@onemorecorner
@onemorecorner 3 жыл бұрын
That's what disagreement should look like. Two people respectfully listening to each other's opinions. Not screaming down each other's throats. Not resorting to petty insults. Props to both of these men
@christianfilloux
@christianfilloux 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see more of this content. Hard to do because this is such an organic exchange, but this is really awesome and i love the philosophy you get into.
@V3Valhalla
@V3Valhalla 7 жыл бұрын
"Really? How long is your pamphlet?" Lol, gotta love Steve.
@GunslingerOfficial
@GunslingerOfficial 10 жыл бұрын
Vegan Club is opposite Fight Club. The first rule of vegan club is to tell everyone.
@keenl4057
@keenl4057 5 жыл бұрын
@Dr. Tyler J. Mazzoncini just because you believe something doesnt make it correct
@TheVeganeater
@TheVeganeater 5 жыл бұрын
Science believes it too but what do they know right? Meat has good qualities but they come at a cost (heart failure is a biggie ) . I here heroin is a relaxing high but also has bad qualities. Smoking is proven to be stress reducing but does that mean it should be something people do all the time.
@TheVeganeater
@TheVeganeater 5 жыл бұрын
Just because some think animals are just objects and we can do with them as we like doesn't make it correct. Nazi's had a belief that most didn't agree with .
@keenl4057
@keenl4057 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheVeganeater meat doesn't cause heart failure
@WizzardOfOzz1
@WizzardOfOzz1 5 жыл бұрын
Keen L, it's OK, Vegans don't understand natural balance, they are just extremists of a different flavour. The more vocal ones are far more violent than most people that live a balanced life.
@lloyddobler2227
@lloyddobler2227 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! That's an impressive answer/commentary. Steven took that one head-on with grace and sternness. Perfect!
@GizmoGuzman0924
@GizmoGuzman0924 3 жыл бұрын
The thank you at the end must be satisfying when people can discuss and not argue
@jamie4390
@jamie4390 10 жыл бұрын
Nice guy(vegan), waited until the questions before making a statement, then was accepting of the answer and was willing to read another perspective in exchange for his. Might not have same views, but equal respect.
@AKarnold1010
@AKarnold1010 9 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was a solid positive interaction between two people with different lifestyles. No bitching, no arguments, nobody getting ridiculous and losing their cool. I dig it
@ChrisSmith-iv7no
@ChrisSmith-iv7no 3 жыл бұрын
It’s nice to see a smart discussion of two different views, men like Steven that can get the point across that hunting is a justifiable pursuit, will keep hunting safe for many years.
@screamingbanana4391
@screamingbanana4391 2 жыл бұрын
They were both very respectful to eachother and didn’t push their beliefs to much. I love civil conversations.
@screamingbanana4391
@screamingbanana4391 2 жыл бұрын
Also I’m vegan
@mtpot9402
@mtpot9402 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome job on this one I really appreciate your subject matter I live in Louisiana and caught covid last year my favorite thing to do is being in the outdoors especially on the waters communing with family and great friends I miss it some bad due to being week and not able to get in my boat Again thanks for the great contributions to the outdoors I absolutely enjoy watching someone who loved it as much as i
@christiankelley3729
@christiankelley3729 8 жыл бұрын
Wow. This made my eyes water a little. If everyone who disagrees on things could just sit down and talk rationally like this, the world would be a better place. People would still dislike each other for sure, but they would understand why the person they dislike believes what they do.
@ravenfist
@ravenfist 8 жыл бұрын
+christian kelley i agree, but the problem with vegans is there seem to be so many that tries to force their "belifs" unto others, whenever you try to force stuff unto ppl and at the same time says ppl that dont belive the same thing as you are "stupid" when it has nothing to do with intelligence, ppl tend to dislike you :P (not saying everyone is like that) but for me, i definitly understand the hatred for veganism.
@famulepeterson9369
@famulepeterson9369 8 жыл бұрын
Veganism isnt a "belief" though, it's pure facts that meat eaters are afraid to accept.
@ravenfist
@ravenfist 8 жыл бұрын
famule peterson what belifs are you talking about though? That the meat farms are bad for the world? I agree with that and we as a race should most def eat more veg. But its also a fact that pure meat is the best way for humans to get the nutritants we need. And regardless no one is gonna listen to a person who tries to force their thinking unto you, be he vegan or not.
@famulepeterson9369
@famulepeterson9369 8 жыл бұрын
Viktor Gustafsson False. It is a fact proven by scientists that meat increases the risk of fatal diseases, heart issues and of course obesity. It's also been proven that the absolute best diet for a human being is a plant-based diet (veganism)
@ravenfist
@ravenfist 8 жыл бұрын
+famule peterson tjat has actuallt bern disproven
@dtigert233
@dtigert233 4 жыл бұрын
The amount of respect in this video is what should be admired
@eliasniewerth
@eliasniewerth 3 жыл бұрын
this was the nices debate I have ever seen on the Internet. Great respect to that man for going right ahead and offering respect by thanking him for answering the question
@eddiefleetwood2945
@eddiefleetwood2945 3 жыл бұрын
Props to Steve on this. Excellent points made by both sides and both sides are equally collective in their debate. As a fellow hunter, I think we stoke the flames on this issue. There tends to be a lot of emotion when this discussion is brought up by either side and gets heated way to quickly. The fact that both individuals here were able to bring forth their points and discuss vs fight over their ideals is exactly needs to be done. If more people were open to listening to both sides, I think this issue would die down. But, there is a tendency to start cutting jugulars from the jump before a valid discussion can be had. Only if more people were willing to sit down and have a civil conversation.
@bonjovisleftnut8954
@bonjovisleftnut8954 4 жыл бұрын
Damn Steven that’s how you get it done . Respect on both sides for being able to have civil conversation over opposing views.
@rbljackson
@rbljackson 9 жыл бұрын
Steve, you represent us (the hunting community) so VERY well. My hat is off to you sir. Of ALL the hunting shows on tv, yours stands heads and shoulders above the rest. WHY? Simply because you represent the hunting community correctly. A deep respect for the animals and the land, not to mention the willingness to work for the meal! Two thumbs up....and your response in this video was first class!
@MinimalistOutdoors
@MinimalistOutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
@@diracismyhero I'm sorry , but we don't aim for the head we aim for the heart and lungs just behind the shoulder. Can't afford to miss because that's meat we rely on.
@Bergerac82
@Bergerac82 3 жыл бұрын
@@diracismyhero precisely the level of totally uninformed I expect from someone trying to bash Rinella.
@Bergerac82
@Bergerac82 3 жыл бұрын
@@diracismyhero because you think hunters are blowing animals brains out... It's a fairly high level piece of bullshit. If you think that, you clearly know astoundingly little about hunting.
@AfricanSunProductions
@AfricanSunProductions 2 жыл бұрын
Very well handled, respectful and thoughtful. I get many similar questions on my channel and try to answer in a similar way.
@brettsutherland8390
@brettsutherland8390 3 жыл бұрын
Really respectful and open conversations like this should be had more
@mrzjohnson4
@mrzjohnson4 5 жыл бұрын
I love Steven Rinella! He’s educated, articulate, and is a great example of a hunter, or as we’re also known, conservationists.
@mathewdavis2427
@mathewdavis2427 3 жыл бұрын
Fight Milk Watch Cosmic Skeptic’s video on this. He destroys all of Steven’s “arguments” point by point. These are all very low-level “arguments” that any remotely knowledgeable vegan would destroy.
@ArnodJ
@ArnodJ 3 жыл бұрын
@@mathewdavis2427 bullshit 😂
@MrMalicious5
@MrMalicious5 3 жыл бұрын
Mathew Davis Any knowledgeable vegan but not you, though, right? 😂
@hlteh76
@hlteh76 3 жыл бұрын
Mathew Davis Watched it. It’s full of supposition and straw man arguments.
@saoirse7167
@saoirse7167 3 жыл бұрын
@@hlteh76 Really? In what way did he unfavourably misrepresent the arguments?
@jafrost1328
@jafrost1328 5 жыл бұрын
I was anti hunting until i heard steve speak. Never saw a need for it but he's just so measured, intelligent and articulate that his perspective is never lost in emotion or misinformation. One of my favourite tv personailities and i only just found the guy. People assault his way of life probably daily and his grace never falters
@jafrost1328
@jafrost1328 4 жыл бұрын
@Table-Country pinxing THRYM Firearms 27 ahh man where I'm from there are a LOT of simple scumbags around that just want to shoot things, but they're easy enough to spot, they'll brag about all the illegal/unethical shit they do to anyone who acts half interested
@braydonsmedley5652
@braydonsmedley5652 3 жыл бұрын
@@jafrost1328 yeah, those guys are hated by other hunters too😂
@jafrost1328
@jafrost1328 3 жыл бұрын
@@braydonsmedley5652 im from Australia too, so really they have no excuse. Is it invasive? Yes? Then feel free to shoot it unless it's a Brumby
@cshepard09
@cshepard09 3 жыл бұрын
@@jafrost1328 you're generalizing an entire group of people based off the experiences you've had in your life, i'd say its a fair statement to say people who spend their life in the outdoors care more for wildlife than the average person who doesn't. 99% of people who think hunting is wrong don't know anything about wildlife or ecosystems they just know the hunter is always the bad guy in their favorite Disney movie
@jafrost1328
@jafrost1328 3 жыл бұрын
@@cshepard09 yeah? No shit? I wonder if that might have been my entire point...
@zachdidow2441
@zachdidow2441 2 жыл бұрын
Steve is arguably one of the most wholesome humans alive.
@jaredbowen3527
@jaredbowen3527 2 жыл бұрын
Besides the hunting stuff maybe...
@zachdidow2441
@zachdidow2441 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaredbowen3527 I feel as if maybe you missed the point of the debate he had. Again, if you look down on someone for something that humans have done for thousands of years as a cohesive part of the food chain (When done properly) then that says more of you than them.
@andrewhofinger4673
@andrewhofinger4673 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaredbowen3527 you are the definition of what is wrong with people nowadays
@hugharrdum889
@hugharrdum889 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaredbowen3527 Then there's people like you.
@benwilliams584
@benwilliams584 2 жыл бұрын
@@zachdidow2441 superbly said
@RedneckNEET
@RedneckNEET Жыл бұрын
His smile at the end was wholesome. Made my day seeing that people still have the ability to respect each other. Mad respect to both men for listening to each other’s views and not hating each other because they differ. I’m a hunter and my dad’s a vegan, we get along just fine and both respect each other despite differing beliefs.
@Nopperabou
@Nopperabou 4 жыл бұрын
2:40 I'm moved when I see people respect each other's point of view.
@elena-mo9fn
@elena-mo9fn 8 жыл бұрын
Hunters are better than people who buy meat from stores.
@Marinambru
@Marinambru 8 жыл бұрын
still has a better option. not only hunt or buy from the store.
@Variia
@Variia 8 жыл бұрын
+Elena Smith child rapists who use lube are better than those who don't, right?
@Variia
@Variia 8 жыл бұрын
***** in almost every form of animal agriculture animals are raped on a daily basis, so yeah the comparison is pretty accurate.
@Variia
@Variia 8 жыл бұрын
***** you're just too dumb to get my point
@Variia
@Variia 8 жыл бұрын
***** you didn't respond to reason, so there's really no point in trying to have a discussion with you on any other level
@abesebag1085
@abesebag1085 2 жыл бұрын
just amazing, love the civility behind this conversation. 2 people who disagree smiling at the end of a disagreement. just beautiful.
@rockfate
@rockfate 8 ай бұрын
Steve, your always very good at calmly explaining the hunters perspective! Super great job man.
@sixmanfootball
@sixmanfootball 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I've commented before, but this is still one of my favorite MeatEater videos. The respect both men showed one another during this discussion was something we could use a lot more of, especially in today's society.
@JTPLetsPlay
@JTPLetsPlay 4 жыл бұрын
A very respectful interaction. People should talk about their differences more like this.
@Matthew-zk4qr
@Matthew-zk4qr 3 жыл бұрын
Who else gat this recommended 8 years later
@greatoutdoorsman2009
@greatoutdoorsman2009 3 жыл бұрын
I'm thoroughly impressed that this debate was as civil as it was. In fact, I'm shocked that both sides were so professional. Kudos to both men!
@jonathanholden6556
@jonathanholden6556 4 жыл бұрын
I could not possibly love this video and Steve’s response any more than I do. Often times it’s hard to find the appropriate words when it comes to defending our right to hunt and the level of respect most hunters share for the game we pursue. I’m going to thumbnail this and show it to every person that questions hunting to perhaps give them a new perspective. There is also a beautiful article titled “Blood Brother” that I recommend people read to go along with this video. Thank you Steve
@calmdown3545
@calmdown3545 7 жыл бұрын
if you didnt know...youtube commenting is a very bad platform for intellectual debate. Nothing will be accomplished.
@sallyW.
@sallyW. 7 жыл бұрын
True
@ibrahimelzaim1622
@ibrahimelzaim1622 7 жыл бұрын
Comments like that should face repercussions.
@Socialdfan323
@Socialdfan323 7 жыл бұрын
Ibrahim Elzaim He should be able to say what he wants. I mean it doesn't make what he said ok but are you really going take to heart what someone who wright's like that says (which i understand some people do) but people like peter are usually just ignorant, stupid, lack empathy or could be part of his brain didn't fully develop.
@Jeffersonyuvens
@Jeffersonyuvens 7 жыл бұрын
thomas mills you should try facebook next time
@clucl3
@clucl3 7 жыл бұрын
I watched this video thinking, wow that was a great example of a respectful back-and-forth among two people with radically different views.This exactly the kind of attitude we need in American politics, right now. Let's see if the comment section reflects the kind...nope... There should be a comment section just for serious comments.
@TheRealFourFifths
@TheRealFourFifths 3 жыл бұрын
steven you classy son of a gun!! Love the show and everything in it. You show so much Respect for the game you take, me and my young sons watch together. I cant wait to take them on their first white tail hunt Thank you for great content and an educational watching experience
@DaleReubin
@DaleReubin 2 жыл бұрын
Very impressive exchange! Great to see people talking about a divisive topic with such respect. Well done Steve.
@mstiff402
@mstiff402 4 жыл бұрын
“I respect where your coming from.” That’s all it takes to be heard and better yet understood.
@TheWoodedBeardsman
@TheWoodedBeardsman 6 жыл бұрын
Much respect for Steve!
@ilovegunsandhuntingandradi5912
@ilovegunsandhuntingandradi5912 3 жыл бұрын
hi
@codymoore8648
@codymoore8648 3 жыл бұрын
The was he not only admires the animal but admires other people for having a perspective different than his own is asotonishing
@NoInjusticeLastsForever
@NoInjusticeLastsForever 3 жыл бұрын
@@codymoore8648 You're brianwashed if you think you can "love" someone while also killing them. Is this the twilight zone??
@codymoore8648
@codymoore8648 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever it’s not about the love for a single organism it’s about the greater love for the species of the organism and the thought of. Just because one hunter goes out and harvests his own food the most natural way we possibly can does not make him a monster. It strictly shows that they are involved in the circle of life and population management and want to learn more and more about the organism and Mother Nature. Of course there are people out there that kill things for the wrong reason... however in a lot of cases such as this one it is completely ethical and for conversation and education. I can assure you that Steve knows more about wildlife than you ever will from his experiences in the wilderness. I appreciate the way you look out for wildlife 100 percent and the care you have for animals. That is awesome however it doesn’t make someone a monster to be involved in something that we have been a part of our whole time on earth😁❤️✌️
@NoInjusticeLastsForever
@NoInjusticeLastsForever 3 жыл бұрын
@@codymoore8648 Go watch Cosmic Skeptics breakdown of this hunter's argument. Him knowing more about deer doesn't justify killing needlessly. I'm sure a doctor who eats his patients knows much more than me about medicine. Who cares? Needlessly harming someone is always unethical. 🤷🏻
@mskiUSMC
@mskiUSMC 3 жыл бұрын
Steve, you rock! You hit the nail out right on the head! I nailed my first 8 point buck this year! Hunting deer for me is spiritual, its a spiritual connection to nature and to our history. I have read a few of your books, you have had some amazing experiences.
@NoInjusticeLastsForever
@NoInjusticeLastsForever 3 жыл бұрын
You enjoy murdering animals for no reason. Gross.
@rgio1885
@rgio1885 2 жыл бұрын
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever His reason is having a natural diet. Or, y'know, "It's a spiritual connection to nature and our history". If there was truly no reason for it, he'd probably go with the far easier and far more environmentally destructive option of buying produce from the grocery store.
@jasontraska2616
@jasontraska2616 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best, well though out, and respectful answers that I've ever heard. You do the "Meat Eater" world proud Steven!
@ART_EYELAND
@ART_EYELAND Жыл бұрын
The hunter made multiple logical fallacies such as “appeal to tradition” and “appeal to nature”. So not really well thought out.
@becxoxo4627
@becxoxo4627 4 жыл бұрын
I've just started watching your shows and am truly fascinated with it all.
@paulstastny5583
@paulstastny5583 7 жыл бұрын
That was actually calmer than I expected it to be but Steven does carry himself well, he's very well spoken
@briggsdalton
@briggsdalton 6 ай бұрын
Can we just take a second to appreciate Steven’s negotiation skills? This vegan came in with a frown and an intention to make argument and left with a smile and a respect for Steven. So great job.
@sachinraghavan4556
@sachinraghavan4556 5 ай бұрын
That's not skill, just manipulation.
@madeleygarcia6396
@madeleygarcia6396 4 ай бұрын
violance is only permissible in self defence
@briggsdalton
@briggsdalton Ай бұрын
@@sachinraghavan4556how is that manipulation?
@IHMadeThis
@IHMadeThis 2 жыл бұрын
After watching Earthling Ed videos, all of the meat eater's arguments are just flimsy.
@NoInjusticeLastsForever
@NoInjusticeLastsForever 2 жыл бұрын
Or if you watched Cosmic Skeptic's response to this. He absolutely wrecked this hunter guy!
@GuitarBloodlines
@GuitarBloodlines 2 жыл бұрын
Earthling Ed is a middle class joke tbh, as is Cosmic Skeptic
@NoInjusticeLastsForever
@NoInjusticeLastsForever 2 жыл бұрын
@@GuitarBloodlines You can't dismiss what someone is saying by saying they're a "joke". That doesn't mean anything. This hunter is a joke too. It's a meaningless statement.
@GuitarBloodlines
@GuitarBloodlines 2 жыл бұрын
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever nah, the hunter has done more for animal conservation than Ed, the Cosmic Skeptic, Joey, James, and all the saviour squad put together
@NoInjusticeLastsForever
@NoInjusticeLastsForever 2 жыл бұрын
@@GuitarBloodlines He kills for fun and tries to martyr myself like he's doing something good for humanity. This has been debunked countless times by everyone you just mentioned LOL
@BrandonPrive1432
@BrandonPrive1432 4 жыл бұрын
back in the day when you could have debate and both walk away happy and not yelling at eachother, we need this type of debating skills in 2019.
@musictube17
@musictube17 3 жыл бұрын
Have you heard about 2020?
@theonetrueeggroll4252
@theonetrueeggroll4252 3 жыл бұрын
@@musictube17 Have you heard about 2021?
@nschott13
@nschott13 3 жыл бұрын
It’s still out there, you just see and hear more of the conflict.
@jmbromley84
@jmbromley84 5 жыл бұрын
Both parties very mature to one another, while respecting the others viewpoint. Great job to both men, and having the ability to "agree to disagree. " Love ya Steve! Keep up the good work!
@mattplyler12
@mattplyler12 3 жыл бұрын
Steven Rinella is a GREAT advocate for not only hunters, but conservation, but just being a respectful, educated, and kind man. He’s changing how America views hunters, and it’s for the better
@srp91101ify
@srp91101ify Жыл бұрын
Steve.. You are truly amazing. Not just your knowledge, but you handled that like every hunter should. Thank you for being you.
@earthpart3
@earthpart3 Жыл бұрын
animal abuser*
@dmarti47
@dmarti47 7 жыл бұрын
Great answer to the man's 'question.' Very articulate and well argued but, at the same time, respectful of the man's beliefs.
@Thejigholeman
@Thejigholeman 8 жыл бұрын
"don't the creatures you kill want to live as much as you do?" doesn't the deer want to live as much as the bear that kills it?
@hippibunni3689
@hippibunni3689 8 жыл бұрын
Are you really trying to compare humans to bears? Thats so idiotic. A bear hunts because its a carnivore, and bears eat fish anyway. You clearly don't know what your talking about.
@Thejigholeman
@Thejigholeman 8 жыл бұрын
Skylar Taylor "a bear hunts because it's a carnivore" this guy eats meat, he hunts animals. i know your type. you are a religious vegan or vegetarian. in you eyes hunting is bad because EVIL HUMANS!!! HOOMAN KILL ANIMAL BAD! ANIMAL KILL ANIMAL GOOD! do burgers trigger you my little snowflake? also, does the fish want to live? or do fish not count because fish aren't as cute as deer and rabbits?
@hippibunni3689
@hippibunni3689 8 жыл бұрын
+zomberz von zombycow Nope not even remostly religious :) good job trying to label me as a piece of snowflake tumblr bullshit though. I'm sure the fish does want to live, the bear hunts because it has no other choice. It knows no other type of food. Its body isn't built to break down anything else. Human's on the other hand, are capable of remorse and guilt. And we have more options for food. We know the difference between wrong and right.
@Thejigholeman
@Thejigholeman 8 жыл бұрын
Skylar Taylor "we know the difference between wrong and right" that's an odd statement to make when talking to someone with an opposing view on a matter. you assume that what you think is wrong to YOU is wrong to everyone else. if we knew that eating meat was wrong, wouldn't we feel guilty every-time we ate a burger, or some sushi? "humans are capable of remorse and guilt" not an argument for why people should not eat meat.
@hippibunni3689
@hippibunni3689 8 жыл бұрын
+zomberz von zombycow Well i just assumed that most humans wouldnt want to kill an animal with their bare hands like a bear would do. But there are the hunters out there who enjoy killing animals for no reason what so ever. For their own entertainment I assume. My bad. The reason people dont feel guilt when they eat animal products is simply because they dont think in depth about it. That what was once on their plate was living and breathing. They put these bliders up and choose to ignore anything that opposes their lifestyle. Similar to how heavy christians refuse to hear anything about other religions and atheism. If you dig deep into where your food came from im sure the way you look at a big mac would change.
@Mark-rk1gg
@Mark-rk1gg 3 жыл бұрын
I always have confidence in what steve is going to say. He’s very intelligent and humble and to me that’s a winning combination.
@mikeoutler618
@mikeoutler618 2 жыл бұрын
Well handled by both men. Nice to see a conversation without any animosity.
@sethskeens9945
@sethskeens9945 5 жыл бұрын
I really like the guys reaction to Steven's response I thought for sure this was going to go the wrong direction but it ended very well. Good job on both sides.
@tylerschroeder3722
@tylerschroeder3722 7 жыл бұрын
Steven handled that like a champ, he articulated his point and message extremely well while being respectful. Very nice job.
@kevintoews5656
@kevintoews5656 9 ай бұрын
The world needs to move back toward more of these types of interactions. Two people in a respectful dialogue. Both feel strongly about their opinion but are perfectly willing to have a civil discussion. None of the false outrage we see today.
@terry44068wagon
@terry44068wagon 2 жыл бұрын
one of the best responses to this conversation point. very well put
@ceoofworldpeace8901
@ceoofworldpeace8901 10 жыл бұрын
This is why the Native Americans got it right with hunting. They respected the spirit of animals that they killed.
@yomamasapeach
@yomamasapeach 10 жыл бұрын
Pro hunting so long as the meat goes to good use.
@bradxenomorph5066
@bradxenomorph5066 9 жыл бұрын
If I respect a human, can I kill and eat them?
@yomamasapeach
@yomamasapeach 9 жыл бұрын
Adam Felcyn If you eat a human, you are exposing yourself to microbiological germs that can actually kill you. Second, eating your own species isn't the same as eating another species for survival. Learn the food chain mate, we aren't all mad vegetarians crying about eating tofu.
@bradxenomorph5066
@bradxenomorph5066 9 жыл бұрын
yomamasapeach "If you eat a human, you are exposing yourself to microbiological germs that can actually kill you." I wasn't talking about the nutritional aspect, but the moral aspect. Try to stay on topic. "Second, eating your own species isn't the same as eating another species for survival." Sure it is, if all the other factors are equal. What's the moral difference between eating the family dog and eating your human neighbor's kid? None. They're both sentient, innocent, and you shouldn't need to eat either one of them if you do a little research into veganism.
@yomamasapeach
@yomamasapeach 9 жыл бұрын
Adam Felcyn Tell me, in a natural aspect of the real world, do animals of any sense not eat each other for the nutritional aspect of sustaining calories and fats? We need to eat other animals for the purpose of survival, and that's what we've been doing since the age of man that's made us so successful. Secondly, eating a human isn't a decision of morality, ethics is nothing more but perception and psychological thinking. No, We decide not to eat each other because our biological framework is to propagate our own species, and this means that we will not devour ourselves to bones because it's against our own basic nature (unless put into a situation of our own basic survival). Secondly, you suck as a troll
@wesschimpf5155
@wesschimpf5155 4 жыл бұрын
RESPECT to both men! The question and answer were respectful and intelligent. I watch Meat Eater because of Steve's values and approach to hunting. A true professional and you can feel the respect he has for an animal when he does harvest.
@VIpown3d
@VIpown3d 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I had the ability to respond with such grace and clarity to an apparently provocative question as Steve had here.
@bradyrothmeyer4628
@bradyrothmeyer4628 2 жыл бұрын
Steve is a class act! When faced with what could be a hard question He answered that with nothing but respect for that man I applaud him for that. I also applied the man for asking Steve a question about veganism while honoring and respecting Steve’s answer without wanting to debate! Good on you both.
@86Sumner
@86Sumner 10 жыл бұрын
Love Steve and his attitude. Im a hunter that has friends and coworkers that are veggie and vegan. This vegan and Steves conversation remind me of how my conversations with them have gone. We are both passionate about our side but respect is shown. It sucks we both cant exist as a whole and make one great meal without killing EACHOTHER.
@scotteshpeter1849
@scotteshpeter1849 4 жыл бұрын
Steve you are amazing how you deal with people who have a perspective that hunting is terrible. You are calm , passionate and so full of knowledge of all things that are required to respect nature and humans. Thank you for teaching people who are experienced and people who are not. I love everything you are doing and what you stand for. Thank you very much
@ilikelessons
@ilikelessons 2 жыл бұрын
Massive respect to both sides on this one! Handled so professionally by Steve
@coldworld5
@coldworld5 10 жыл бұрын
Even as a vegeterian I think hunting is a better way of eating meat than farming, it's a respect for the food cycle.
@HugsmadeDrugs
@HugsmadeDrugs 10 жыл бұрын
Depends on what farming also... Eco farming it's like neo farming, when you farm all natural and give the cattle a greater life... It all comes down to give a relatively good live to your livestock as a farmer.
@erectiondisection8105
@erectiondisection8105 6 жыл бұрын
Its better than factory farming but that isnt saying much. Hunting is still ultimately immoral when you can just eat plants to live.
@AlphaWolf096
@AlphaWolf096 6 жыл бұрын
Erection Disection Hunting is also necessary for wildlife management. More humans and deer would die in deer-induced road collisions if we didn't hunt, than the number of deer that die or even get wounded due to hunting.
@MertAtakansscryp
@MertAtakansscryp 6 жыл бұрын
Well it's not like he throws out any meat or would stop hunting. He enjoys it and turns the experience into an educational show which is enjoyed by many. This show is way more ethical compared to the ones profit through human psychology exploitation.
@candykanefpv98
@candykanefpv98 6 жыл бұрын
Allisonom A the question you have to ask is if there wasn't the exposure would he be doing things any differently. And he wouldn't. He would still be going out there to harvest animals. They may not be in as remote areas but he'd be doing the same thing.
@HipsterCarpenter
@HipsterCarpenter 10 жыл бұрын
I can't help but notice how much healthier Steve looks than the guy that asked the question haha
@tamingthelife31
@tamingthelife31 7 жыл бұрын
oh thats where you are wrong. that dude asking the question was 26 hahaha #veganhealth
@mcteoful
@mcteoful 6 жыл бұрын
Ahahhahahah
@nate3067
@nate3067 6 жыл бұрын
Dude look at vegan gains austin aries pete dunne shelton benjamin Waka flocka flame all are vegan and healthy .I myself only consume fish no diary no eggs no meat and Am perfectly healthy
@xo7499
@xo7499 6 жыл бұрын
dumb ass hipster
@xouri7701
@xouri7701 6 жыл бұрын
@nate3067 the dude is on the juice. his diet doesn't match his physic.
@SteelheadJEDi
@SteelheadJEDi 3 жыл бұрын
Love it! You can't argue with logic presented in a kind and understanding way👍
@NineJuanJuan_
@NineJuanJuan_ 2 жыл бұрын
I just listened to him on JRE on spotify and now reccomended to me on yt. internet is crazy!
@adrianriley7273
@adrianriley7273 5 жыл бұрын
That was very well handled and it is something us as hunters need to practice doing more of.. So many times we get offended by people like that and instead of seeing their side and having a legitimate conversation we get aggressive.. Good job and I loved your Netflix series
@mavicdronner2568
@mavicdronner2568 4 жыл бұрын
Steve’s response was perfect! Although the title of this should not be “.vs” as this was an intelligent discussion. Love MeatEater! Can’t wait for season 9!
@MirrorMountain
@MirrorMountain 4 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@mykemyers6488
@mykemyers6488 2 жыл бұрын
I love how respectful of an exchange that was for both of them.
@collinb2449
@collinb2449 3 жыл бұрын
I think I just witnessed the coolest damn talk Ive ever seen between a vegan and a hunter/meat eater. This is how it should be when debating topics like this, not just saying someone else is wrong or a bad person etc just cause they have a different view point or what not!
@jasonringor9358
@jasonringor9358 4 жыл бұрын
This video makes me smile every time
@harryrawlings3164
@harryrawlings3164 7 жыл бұрын
Rinella really needs to debate Gary Yourofsky. Would be so interesting to watch.
@heartist256
@heartist256 6 жыл бұрын
yeah hed get his ass handed to him
@Revelation22_5
@Revelation22_5 3 жыл бұрын
I like how he takes a drink during the question. You can tell hearing questions like this doesn’t phase him.
@Kanzu999
@Kanzu999 2 жыл бұрын
Always nice to see people respect each other and that they can have civil discourse. This is an absolute requirement if you want to change anyone's mind to begin with, and it's also much nicer for everyone involved. Having said that, I don't think the hunter's answer justified him hunting. The fact that we have we have always behaved in a certain way in the past is not in itself a justifiable reason for anything. Lots of practices were completely normal for a very long time in the past, and we can still find these practices to be immoral today. Also, we can't blame a wolf for killing, because it needs to in order to survive and for its health in general. We don't. Our canines don't make us carnivores either, and if you look at them and compare them to other carnivores, certainly we are far off. Also, take a look at a gorilla, or take a look at pretty much all our closest relatives. They all have much larger canines than us, yet they're herbivores. In fact, our bodies resemble that of herbivores, not carnivores. So even though I'm currently convinced that the hunter doesn't have a decent justification for hunting, I'm not saying that he definitely doesn't. But I do think that his answer here didn't justify it.
@macaron3141592653
@macaron3141592653 8 жыл бұрын
This is the best disagreement I have seen in my life like after wrecking the guy he said he Appreciated his perspective - Like, when the hell does that ever happen????
@bradleypeterson2208
@bradleypeterson2208 8 жыл бұрын
+macaron3141592653 When two open minded, rational people have a debate.
@ART_EYELAND
@ART_EYELAND Жыл бұрын
All Steve wrecked was logic with his 2 very obvious logical fallacies(the Appeal to nature fallacy and appeal to tradition fallacy).
@adampastana
@adampastana 10 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the dialogue and mutual respect here
@edgarcardenas455
@edgarcardenas455 2 жыл бұрын
This was handled very and I mean very well, it easily could have become argumental but this was handled very professional. Something to admire and to fallow.
@mbb6740
@mbb6740 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who doesn’t eat meat, but loves Meateater and what it stands for, this encounter made me really happy from both perspectives.
@thecommunistdoggo1008
@thecommunistdoggo1008 2 жыл бұрын
Well you're missing out it's delicious
@mbb6740
@mbb6740 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 so you’re assuming I’ve never eaten an animal? Cool
@deltronzero9
@deltronzero9 5 жыл бұрын
Handled like a gentleman.
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