As a Ryder who has 1 EMTB mid drive and one hard tail hub drive , the answer was obvious before your test. The Ramblas is made for mountains, trails from fairly technical to somewhat very technical (for a hard tail). The Velotric will be much more vulnerable to doing the same things as the Ramblas because the fact that the engine is at the back, the wheel will not be able to withstand all the blows in the long run. On the other hand, for light trails and commuting it would be the best choice; for knee problems, a rear engine is ideal.

Great video! (the production quality is really high). Great riding too. Keep it up!

Great comparison. Will be interesting to see the comparison once you have done the upgrades on both. Thanks again for the info!

Love the series Scott! I finally got my Summit 1. I wish I had more trials near me but with mostly pavement/gravel I feel like the Summit 1 was the way to go. If I used it for 80% trails then Ramblas all day. Looking forward to a video on your Summit 1 upgrades!

Aventon has a first responder discount code that helped me out. I almost went with the Summit. After looking at the Ramblas in person I felt that it was a better deal. I am sure they are both great bikes. Great job Scott.

We have two Summits and love them. Looked at the Ranblas but for the price point it would have been just me getting a bike vs my wife and I both getting a bike . Even if we upgrade some of the components on both Summts we will still come out better price wise. I am 300 pounds (solid muscle of course lol ) and the Summit has held up nicely on trails.

Nice meeting you guys there at Andres. Hope you had a blast!

I think the point about the better components on the Ramblas is probably the biggest decider. The other would be rear drive vs mid drive. If only Aventon would unlock the bike to 30mph for commuting - then it would be perfect.

Good video Scott. For a grand less I'd have to do the Velotric. If and when the components wore out, I'd replace them with better than what the Aventon has.

I like this bike park. Wish they had one in Tennessee and or Alabama and N. Georgia

May also be worth mentioning. If someone is planning to ride at an off-road park often, check the rules there as many places are only allowing a class one so the Velotric would not be allowed there.

Nice! I think for the Rambalas price point I would just go all out on a Giant Stance E+. That tariff sucks…IMO the Summit is a better value.

I don't think the Ramblas makes sense at the $3k price point - particularly if you start talking about upgrades. For $4k you have a ton of options for a real emtb - mid drive with full suspension.

Aventon Ramblas all day!

The aventon is more expensive because of the name. I have a summit 1 and the low entry point allows for actual mtb upgrades like a new fork, a cassette more suitable to mtb, etc. With the high price of the aventon, you may as well get an entry full sus mtb (non-E) and have way more capability.

What's the difference? Same off the shelf Chinese parts just painted and badged differently!

These are not mtb's. Neither have a suspension you would find on a quality, traditionally powered mtb. The Velotric will not dig out of a hair pin because hub motors lose power under load (750 quickly becomes😮 100). nyou aren't achieving 90nm's under 60rpm cadence (more like 90). . The horrendous tail wagging on real air and that heavy motor landing on short, barely crossed, unlaced spokes is little short of a joke. On the road it won't climb a hill as well and certainly does not have the real world range of ANY mid-drive. I sell Velotric and can't wait for their coming mid-drives because their quality of construction makes them one of only three good economy bikes (still economy though). The fact that Velotric is coming out with mid-drives for a premium bike should be proof enough of mid-drive superiority. I do warrenty work for Aventon. They have made some major bone head moves with their rim choices and wheel building. There is no good reason for this price discrepancy. I have also had to wait a month now to get a response on a warrenty claim request. So, you can bet of I could give the nod to Velotric I would. Real mtb'ing, The Summit would not hold up and would dramatically under perform. Not that The Ramblus is going to whip any tails either, but for real world range, hillclimbing or technical terrain as well as reliability, it is going to be dramatically superior.