0:00 is Woman, not Angel Dust

@@mbsb1376 no, it is angel dust. It has that title on the "from hell to the unknown" album. I know this because I had the double album in a gatefold cover sleeve, in red translucent vinyl. If my memory serves me correctly, it was one of the last tracks on side 2 of the 1st disc.

@@mbsb1376 of course it could be that the song had a different title in the states, but I recognise the 3 tracks by these 3 titles as well.

@@mbsb1376he literally says angel dust in the track a dozen times

You just described almost 90% of underground Metal, at least in the 80s-90s. A lot of bands sounded worse on album than on their demos because most debut albums were the first time the band recorded in real studios with a sound guy that probably never listened to any metal, or the label just didn't care.

When your demo is tighter than your album

This version of Raise the Dead is miles better than the Black Metal version

you should listen to their church all demo

@@hedgehognegative1059 I've listened to it all!

mind = blown

Ok so I think your off about ten years unless it's a missprint but in the venom box set that I got it says that yes cronos was 17 when they recorded their first track but the book says 69 not 79 and that no one has it we haven't heard it I don't know man could be a misprint in the book but I don't think so

He wasn't one of the founders of the band.

@@jakubmarszaek5918 He IS the band.

I'd say misprint, as Cronos was six years old in 1969.

Conrad copied the original singer.

This vocalist sounds like a nastier version of Lemmy from Motorhead.

They don't also sound alike, they look alike too! Search Clive Archer Venom on Google and you'll see he looks like cronos with his face painted white and with blood on his mouth

Dude, David Lee Roth was growling long before Cronos

​@@BigTony-bf5jrJim Dandy Mangum was growling in 1970 with Black Oak Arkansas. Howling Wolf was growling in the 1940s

​@@BigTony-bf5jrJim Morrison? Lemmy would growl some of the Vocals, and Steven Tyler was the first to use the Black Metal Donald Duck style screaming.

Yes this guy sound like Di Anno. chorus of Angel Dust, is 100% Di Annos singing style.

Exactly Darron...this IS it! THE BEGINNING of the whole thing. The originators of black metal....extreme metal in general. Everyone else followed

its still different to hear this to the albums but still in love with and I'm 50 so venom and I go way back. fortunate to party with them.

This may be where Black Metal began, but the first trve Black Metal band was Bathory.

Look for "parabellum - engendro 666" or madre muerte, but i prefer engendro. this is the true first black metal band and their demo is for 1984. So much brutal than bathory. Is raw black metal in 1984. And in spanish. They don't have the recognise what they deserved.

I hope that wasn't knocking Bathory. Without Quorthon, there would be no Black Metal. Without Venom and Slayer, there'd be no Black Metal. Parabellum is great and all...but Bathroy is the band EVERYBODY name drops, but nobody sounds like.

lol

Fuck yeah, Paul has a punk vibe just like Chronos or Lemmy... that was important to the creation of all the extreme metal sub genres and the gutural growl

It's Jesus Christ !

Who was Clive Archer? Never heard from him before, looks like he invented the facepaint for metal!

ZIPo

@Blood Eagle 88 Speed Metal?!? Slowest Speed Metal I've ever heard, lol. There is an annoying trend in metal of claiming a band invented a type of metal because of a song title of theirs though (Venom and Possessed are great examples of this, lol). That being said, I do consider Venom the Godfathers of Black Metal. How else do you explain Mantas being taken seriously in a Karate Gi with a Fu Manchu? That, my friend, is only possible with the blessing of the dark lord himself. Don't believe me? Try it yourself (but be prepared for the avalanche of mockery that ensues). The sheer weight of which most men could never hope to survive. But Mantas did. Some say he was even able to pick up women while wearing it, though this has never actually been confirmed, as it's a well known fact that no woman EVER attended a Venom show, lol. Seriously though, I'm gonna go check out the other two bands you listed above. Thanks for the tip. I'm always looking for new bands to add to the collection.

@Blood Eagle 88 Venom are NWOBHM not Speed METAL Speed METAL was invented by Helloween and Blind Guardian as was Power METAL. Black METAL didn't exist in 1981 so Venom were the first to name Black METAL for their 1982 album.

@@phantasyboy1031 Motorhead and Exciter invented speed metal, but Venom is NWOBHM band I agree

Hahahahaha awesome!!!

Exactly what the doctor ordered apparently. Venom.

Sounds like motorhead after getting stood up by some nasty hookerz

hahaha

You say that as if it's a bad thing :D

and it is infinitely better

Why ever leave the house

It is.

Anything venom did back in the day was good.

Pero hazlos entender al igual que el black

Venom está catalogado como NWOBHM

@@lordphillipemcmlxxxv8492, así es, pero tenían un sonido mucho más embrutecido, rápido y duro que la mayoría de bandas de heavy metal británicas de la época, incluso diría que tienen algo de punk en su música y actitud, quizás de forma inconsciente. Creo que siendo heavy y sin ser una banda thrash en sus inicios, influenciaron a lo que luego sería el thrash metal y otros estilos del metal extremo. Es más, creo que sin grupos como Venom, Hellhammer o Angel Witch el thrash metal no existiría.

Si, 100%!

De las primeras bandas de black thrash metal

This is sick.

I've been wondering for a long time what happened to him after Venom, and what he is up to nowadays

@@WarthDader74 me too

@@WarthDader74 I know him. He left the band and moved to Italy something to do with Crowley and Thelema. He was/is a true black magician. He told me he set the band up to get his lords message out. It worked.

@@ribeyemgtow1783 That's sounds interesting, I guess there are reasons of why the other guys from the original Venom as good as never have talked about him during almost 4 decades after he left

@@ribeyemgtow1783 sin palabras

HISTÓRICO!!! Inclusive o atraso... Mas foi em 86...

@@christianvillarroel3405 valeu 👍86

That's a Jeff narrative. They never mention Archer because they fear him, he wrote the first two albums, designed the band, got it rolling and split.. A serious occultist who still practices.

BillGeezerIommi Ozzy

Yeah Archer singing. He's a little more clearer in the vocals.

He left the band, They had no choice.

@@RockoEstalon I knew him and he told everyone he was going beforehand.

@@RockoEstalon Sister had corpse paint and the whole black metal stuff package too . Earlier than that .

Hellhammer

cause the album welcome to hell was just a load of demos, that neat records put out.

But Discharge were more punk

Those early eps were an evolution of what was to come! Listen to 'hear nothing see nothing say nothing' which came out 82' and tell me if that's pure punk......

Del black y sobre todo del metal extremo

The singer is actually Clive Archer. Agreed, he really sounds that way.

+GOOTENAGEN I don't think so, check www.metal-archives.com then search for Venom. Cronos is on the bass and Jesus Christ (Real name Clive Archer) is on vocals.

You're right, they aren't the same. Only the chorus is the same I think.

@@PJ-zh5gd I can't find them anywhere )):

@@Antonio-sc4ri This version's? Me neither, no one has bothered to write them anywhere, so we only have the album version's lyrics. Sadly there is very little information about these old demos

@@PJ-zh5gd i tried a lot one night to find them i really did. but not succeed )):

Not sure if i'd call them punk. Certainly punk influenced-- Iron Maiden's first singer was certainly a punk straight out of a punk band. (although he had the potential to sing like an angel, ex. phantom of the opera) but the bass, drums and guitar were all heavy metal. Venom had that lo-fi punk DIY punk attitude, and this Clive Archer guy was probably a heavily punk influenced singer. but they were certainly more speed metal than anything. Maybe to stay true to the die hard black metal/venom fans, "blackened" speed metal.

@Blood Eagle 88 well if we want to be specific they are heavy metal, speed metal (definitely motorhead vibes), even some thrash stuff maybe, anyway i kinda agree with you but to me the intro riffs of acid queen and especially warhead sound pretty black metal ( and yes venom sound pretty punky as well, like motorhead did too)

@@user-jg4dn2lu4e I think is tricky at least to label early 80's bands by today's conceptions of metal genres. They were mixing traditional HM, NWOBHM, punk and other genres and some of them opening new paths.

@Blood Eagle 88 Same as Possessed with Death Metal

Jose Manuel Ortecho i agree

R0kushi thefirst two albums they put out where punk asell

Through my terrible grammar, I can tell that Im trying to say their albums would have some good punk influences.

Idk but i can hear a Thin Lizzy influence.

No

nope this is still nwobhm, the next year with the In League With Satan single Venom started to play and sound more extreme and thus black metal was born

OK, it's for me, it is Raise The Dead too !

Yes

These songs come with the reissue of Welcome To Hell, if you're interested.

The tape is almost impossible to find, you can listen to these on the DX version of Welcome to Hell