Riker? Enterprise?

I'm surprised you didn't include Star Trek Online lore on the planetside attack. Is there any reason you didn't? (other than it's beta canon on top of time travel being involved with the mission that let's you partake in the Battle of Earth)

Is it possible that the since it’s already implied that the Breen use Borg tractor beam drain tech, that this either inspired Breen shield drain tech, maybe even the Borg drain torpedoe is a precursor to the Breen one

Briefly discussed this is in discord, but I want a real answer!!! Why does Starfleet fail so, so, hard at basic network security? No failover, no redundancy... and what happened to the global undersea fibre networks? Not in place?!

'Yesterday, October 1st, 2375, a date which will live in infamy...'

Tora Tora Tora

Tet 1968. Even if you get your butt kicked, sometimes that's not the point. Your opponents bad press can be debilitating (thanks Walter cronkite... scumbag)

nice spin! You work for CNN?

Breen literally did a Pearl Harbour, and woke the sleeping Federation giant.

​​@@RogueSabreTet was 1968.

​@@tommymitchell2306hahahaha damn! Well played!

You can attack earth but after you do that 2 things will happen. 1st your fleet will get erased by a lot of things, Star fleets core fleets, defense guns, hidden ships, and oh ya half the population of earth. And 2. You will awaken the monster known as humanity’s anger. They nuked their own world. And if they did not learn to be more mentally stable they won’t be known as the United Federation of planets of even humans. They would be known as Terrans and let me tell you the only difference between a Terran and a Human. Is that a human will try to be better person by being kind.

@@spaceengineeringempire4086section 31 would wipe the floor with nearly every single faction in the sto universe, at least during TOS and before the stupid ass 32nd century bit

Except Vger, the whale probe, two borg cubes, those giant earwig looking thing!

One was a probe that had advanced tech and that was deflected. Another was satiated and most likely proved to increase investment. The Borg being the Borg borged the static phaser systems basically adapting to there frequencies. And the ear wigs basically did a stealth attack and replaced some people of power.

"Let me tell you something about hewmons, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts; deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time...and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon." - Quark

Giving Starfleet a black eye is one thing. Losses like that are abstract and impersonal. Attacking the populace directly, especially Earth, galvanized the civilization into fighting this war with all the stops removed, gloves off, old school, curb stomping resolve humanity told everyone they'd evolved past. The Breen strike pulled up all those repressed brutal tendencies in humanity that had been dormant since WW III and gave them terrible voice.

@@witchdoctor1394 I've always wondered if on a societal/historical level, Man's history of martial prowess and brutality being something they vocally put behind them by the time they really got out into the galaxy contributed to their friction with the Klingons. Theirs is a society that never abandoned those sentiments and virtues, and coming into contact with one who has would have to be a major form of culture shock. Kind of how Soval justified the Vulcan POV on Humanity - they managed to recover from a nuclear holocaust, unite, and head into space in a fraction of the time it took the Vulcan people after their own apocalyptic conflict.

@@The_Lucent_Archangel the way I've always viewed the human/Klingon friction is with the humans treating the Klingons almost with kid gloves hoping that eventually they'll come around to the human standpoint of 'violence is bad' and have some crisis moment of clarity (like humanity did with the Eugenics Wars leading into the nuclear holocaust of WW III) leading to societal change. The Praxis Incident, I believe, was the event that the Federation thought would spur that change. I'm not entirely sure that it wasn't the change that the Federation hoped it was but it took A LOT longer than it took the humans to fundamentally transform the Empire. But then again, the Klingons were already a multi-planetary at that point and might've slowed that progress whereas Humanity was still essentially a single planet civilization during their revelation. Humanity never lost that brutal instinct, that killing instinct, but had just gotten so sick of it that it was relatively easy to embrace a policy of peace and a better way. That instinct is definitely, solidly there and when the chips are down (as Quark so eloquently noted) Humanity has zero problem pulling that out of their back pocket and becoming a scourge the likes of which can make the galaxy tremble under its boot. Picard's (S3) Confederation is a good illustration of that. Do Not push the Pink Skins onto thin ice...

​@@The_Lucent_Archangel and Quark is proven right when the Dominion War began.

I thought none did .

@@shanenolan5625 yeah, they were wiped out

Pretty sure all the Starfleet elements roving in range and like from the Andorian Guard would a been hauling arse to make sure of it. All was over very fast though.

Damar points out so few breen ships survived the assault. so not all were destroyed

@@thestanleys3657 oh yes he does. But I imagine thry were being pursud by star fleet.

Plot armor. And Breen weapon was just overpower that the show had to introduce a lazy just adjust the controls a bit for klingons to nerf it. Sure Venom did offer a explanation, that Breen is few in numbers and both sides were protecting their respective ally klingons/Breen ships. But the breen weapon was just a means to risk the stakes before the end.

@@bloodysimile4893 As I recall the countermeasure to the energy drain was pure accident due to one Klingon ship having just done work on their engines and it took a bit for the Alpha Quadrant forces to replicate the effect on their ships to negate the Breen weapon. It was a plot contrivance anyway, but it wasn't as easy as just changing a few minor settings.

The loss of those trained crews (some of which would have been veterans/elites) would have been way more damaging then the morale hit.

@@bloodysimile4893 The description on screen was that a Klingon BOP engineer (I imagine Tim Allen with Ridges) had been tinkering with the ship’s trillium intermix chamber which should be part of the Klingon BOP’s warp drive.

@@rex290 That’s the point I am trying to make. The Founder was operating under a strawman argument. She believed that the Jem’Hedar were disposable and as such would happily sacrifice themselves. But the Alpha Quadrant Solids, they couldn’t. She felt that if you punched a Human, Klingon, Romulan ecta… in the nose they would run home and fly the white flag. She failed to realize that the Alpha Quadrant would simply view it as a set back. The Breen seemed to believe the same. This weapon was meant to get everyone to surrender instantly. Instead it got them to surmount it. Time and time again the Dominion has some weapons meant to break the alpha quadrant time and time again the “Inferior Solid” minds developed counters.

and they got the same response as the Japanese too

So you are saying in 2 generation the Breens would take off their mask and become kawaii catgirl body pillow hugger?

@@absboodoo with the ass whooping they got? I think they may end up with a culture shock and deep debt to the Ferengi...

Don't recall the writers of DS9 going into nearly this much detail of how the Breen pulled this off.

And just like Pearl Harbour they missed important logistical targets. IIRC the japanese missed the USN oil storage. In this case they missed the orbital shipyards over Earth and Mars. Probably had dozens, hundreds, of ships partly constructed in the docks.

You know that really helps put this whole thing into perspective ; )

@@swssm4741it goes without saying.

I couldn't put it better myself.

I need to have my universal translator adjusted.

Breen language is Truly beautiful and eloquent.

That is generally the playbook of a highly defensive nation. That and planning for asymmetrical warfare in occupied territory to make it more painful to hold onto that land they just paid harshly to take.

That dude never had to pay for a drink at any bar ever again

@@rex290 To be entirely fair, I don't think anyone in a bar inside the Federation has had to pay for any drinks in about a century. Though, outside the Federation, they probably got covered by any Academy graduate, and probably any civvies from the Bay Area.

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Well said 👍

Interesting idea...

@@venomgeekmedia9886 yes! Have the Yeager AVENGE TERRA!

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Specifically I mean to infer that it's such an ungly duckling (despite being objectivly the best ship in Star Trek) because it was cobbled together in response to these events. She points that big ol sensor sweet on her nose looking for "gasious anomalies" untill she gets a good ping and then does her work with quantums and phaser cannons. Goodbye sneeky Jem'Hadar, or Breen, or Klingons, or whomevers trying to slip by before they can raise their shields.

*too

It's a play on the intro to the Star Wars Clone Wars movie.

The opening was meh to me. I felt the first quarter was ok but the last three was bang on. Overall fantastic!

@@wyoboy01yeah it is and he made into a terrific version of it for Star trek

Thank you for the compliment it's a tiny fraction of what we recorded

Who done brought an original intrepid and delta to the fight

​@@CASA-dy4vs if you're caught with your pants down, would you be desperate enough to make use a museum relic to increase your numbers?

Tbf this whole attack is directly inspired by Pearl Harbor so references to the real event that TTT had depicted makes sense

Damn, that was some good nostalgia, it was my first entry into the Clone Wars series.

Wouldn't this also mean that the Federation had essentially captured a Breen ship, and could therefore study it?

@@matthewtulberg2252 they probably planted scuttling charges.

@@nsr-intsYou can still learn quite a lot from the remains, both technological, and organic.

@@matthewtulberg2252 true enough.

Space is Very very Busy. Merchant vessels and privateers are a part of life in the 24th century.

History is full.of mercenaries and privateers. We have them to this day.

It might be a matter of priorities. When a galactic war is going on, minor privateering is probably pretty low on the list to deal with, unless the privateering does something to make it a higher priority.

Clone Wars 2008 😏

It was necessary writing to increase the drama for the series. It really is impossible to have succeeded at all given the state of all things…and if they really wanted to devastate the federation then why didn’t they use their energy dissipaters and eliminate utopia planitia earth star base earths defense fleet and then just sit in orbit and lay waste to the planet surface almost mockingly waiting for reinforcements to arrive only to be incapacitated as well and getting a front row seat to the end of the federation…oh right…cause the attack wasn’t feasible as presented except to prolong the war until the series finale so they could end the show with a pathetic battle sequence that doesn’t match either battle of chinktoka much less the brilliance of sacrifice of angels. Like that was a mid season battle sequence that we all know had a lower budget and time constraint than a finale would…we deserved better than a few phaser blasts with Breen ships included and then a replay of the last 2 seasons of battle sequences and even a scene from generations when the bird of prey exploded….like come on yall…a massive invasion fleet goes into cardassia. Don’t show us replays. Show a battle that we talk about more than sacrifice of angels. Remember the operation return episodes were supposed to be mid season…so when they became episodes 5&6 instead the time to do all the sequences was suddenly and massively reduced…yall had 18months to prepare sequences for the final battle. And all we got was replay and a few phaser shots from a stationary galaxy class ship and a Klingon attack cruiser firing a single blast at a jemhadar battlecruiser which wasn’t firing…and evasive maneuvers pattern omega isn’t a 360 loop to come in behind the 2 jemhadar ships who were behind u and are vastly more maneuverable and wouldn’t have been out maneuvered like that….bht what do I know?

They didn't have that ready to deploy until some time after this battle. They got in close to Earth through stealth and deception.

And risk destabilizing the station? You’re forgetting, even a low order explosion - within the shield matrix - is several orders of magnitude beyond an atomic explosion. There was no way to guarantee you wouldn’t just blow half the damn thing up IN ORBIT and kill many many millions when it all came raining down.

​@@miamijules2149 they wouldn't even care what the risks are because they're not sitting idling inside the spacedock.

@@miamijules2149 - they could still slice the doors open with phasers. Earth is being attacked. There is no way they Captains of those ships would just sit there not doing anything.

Glad I got it right. I developed a real appreciation for the unique geography of the area. Sanfrancisco is by far the superior california city

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Haha, well San Franciscans certainly think so.....ironically between the epidemic of drugs and homelessness, the Breen would be performing a public service if they attached the city today.

Just one state, really. Poor Florida. Also by that logic, the incident with the Verteron Array kind of counts as a direct attack / threat on Earth and that happened after the Xindi arc. Even if it was by homegrown terrorists.

Florida and ... Venezuela, I think? Along with vaporizing several million gallons of water in the Gulf of Mexico.

@@lyinarbaeldeth2456 Been a while since I watched Enterprise, so wouldn't remember if the beam cut into South America. Was a real brazen move on their part either way, and alerted Earth. If they'd tested the weapon on a planet a comparable distance from their space instead odds are the actual attack would have come out of nowhere. I'm sure Daniels would have tried to warn Archer anyway, but without something concrete like that first "test" I doubt the brass would have let the NX-01 take off on a random, long term mission like that.

Could be wrong but i don't think that the federation existed at the time of the zindi attack. That along with the Romulan/earth war led to the creation of the federation. Strickly speaking one is right but i think that earth and the fed are being looked at interchangeably? I dunno. 👀

I don't think any source material used would have gone back and updated themselves following Enterprise's Temporal Cold War: 'um, actually' DENIED! Wha ha ha ha ha ahhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Eggs before chickens because fish lay eggs too, neener neener neener Time Bandit

More engaging than Christopher Nolan!? Thank you.

true, but that may be because the Klingons figured out what the response looked like and decided it was too costly... They do have a good idea every now and then

@@merrick1588 If you take STD seriously, the Klingons made it almost as far as the Borg did with almost no response or opposition. Which is one of the reasons I don't put much stock in it.

@@The_Lucent_Archangel I do not take STD seriously at all

Not really succeed. They got their arse handed to them...

@@nsr-ints were we watching the same video or seen the ds9 episode? Yes the breed attacked earth but more importantly starfleet headquarters. No one has EVER done that even general martok was shocked. Yes was the majority of the breen fleet destroyed yes but that's not narrative. The breen sent a loud statement to the federation and wow

Ask the romulans...

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Helldivers are ready to deploy 🫡

@@joshk96 Speaking of which, what do you think about the Confederation of Earth from Picard? Sound suspiciously Super Earth-y, don't you think?

@@nsr-ints Very Xenophobic indeed

its wasn't about victory it was to show how weak the federation was and make them bleed

@@davidbricejr.7340 I should have been more clear, they should have known they couldn't win the war.

@@0utc4st1985 they knew it wasn't about winning it was to prove a point remember at the time the rom empire did not fight until there senator was killed

Or are you saying that attack was 200 years ago? All these sci fi time lines... I feel like a temporal agent.