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As a courier by profession I do several long routes and routinely get 300-400 miles a day. As someone who’s enjoyed trek but not known a lot of history behind it these are always interesting to listen to on the road.

“Gravitic cavitation” oooh that’s some good Trek technobabble 👍🏻

I love that you got Drach to play another historian

I’m genuinely tickled whenever the most hawkish character has the most intensely American accent possible. Great series, I loved it. Thank you so much.

Huh. Cuban Missile Crisis gone somewhat hot?

Imagine being lost, bumping into federation ship, and in a brief exchange of fire getting your comms damaged of all things. Congrats, now you're even more lost...

The federation giving up cloaking devices while not requiring the Romulans to as well never made sense.

The Tomed incident would make for a great Star Trek movie.

This is why, if you live in the Trek universe, you do not become a frontier colonist haha.

You did crimson tides for both the romulans and the federation, absolutely Love it. This has got to be one of your best series yet! Great interpretation of what happened to cause this incident as well as the treaty of algeron!

I was like 'I can feel the tension, like when I watch Crimson Tide.' and then Captain Ramsey shows up. Perfect timing, and great job on these vids. I especially loved seeing an Andor and the pair of Perimeter Action Ships in the shots used.

Amazing job! It adds a lot more weight to the issues that Riker had to deal with when he was approached about the USS Phoenix.

WoW, this is fantastic please we need this to be made into a movie. Best looking ships, best looking uniforms, utterly brilliant story, everything is there for the Missing era...

Post script, the Tomed incident is why the authority to launch super weapons no longer lies with star fleet captains.

This was another fantastically awesome and gloriously brilliant addition to the history and lore of star trek regarding the infamous tomed incident compared to the canon lore. As one dramatic confrontation and boiling point. Only needing a spark to touch a war after two decades of escalating tensions and incidents off in a bloody galaxy wide conflict makes so much more sense than the secret mission of cannon that is only averted by the skin of ones teeth and captains on both sides. Plus starfleet having a decent crop of cloaked ships to match the romulans also makes the giving up of said tech in the treaty of algeron a far more meaningful concession than in canon.

Thanks for doing this topic. The tomed incident is something barely mentioned in canon.its something that I've always wondered what happened to be able to secure a long peace with the Romulans.

YES! Drachinifel participation is always welcome!

Interesting, cold-war Inspired take on what could have led Starfleet into negotiating away cloaking technology. Also characterizing Sulu as feeling guilty for how close this military brinkmanship came to a particularly pyrrhic form of interstellar war helps explain how his presidency demilitarized Starfleet and ushered in the "golden age" of the mid 24th century. Elegant way to tie up all those pesky loose plot threads!

This is my favourite series of the past few years. I don’t often watch things live passed this. Very well done.

Easily my favorite creator collab combo of 2022!!

I was hoping someone would do a video about the tomed incident. You did an incredible job.

I have only one word to describe both parts 1and 2. Outstanding.

Wow! Awesome video, a Star Trek version of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

You are going heavy on the submarine stuff. You are doing great fanfiction, I am usually not very accommodating to fanfiction overriding beta works, but Kudos where it's due, good job, interesting story

Nice to hear the Drach!

So happy to be catching up with your videos! Wow you’ve been getting out a lot of content especially during the holidays!

Awesome finale! I wouldn't have minded seeing more of Sulu and the negotiations - I understand it might have helped lessen the dramatic tension of the building war, but the Romulan Commander so willing to go out of his way to negotiate didn't even have a name. So I wouldn't mind hearing more about the diplomatic efforts here.

Nice job presenting the Tomed Incident and the resulting Treaty of Algernon. I liked the retrospective analysis of the various parties.

Great stuff. The use of the term “incident” doesn’t quite fit this kind of escalating crisis, but this is better version of Tomed than I’ve heard from beta canon sources.

Ah I missed the primer. Unfortunate. Regardless, this has once again been a thrilling experience. It is indeed great to finally see this event after months of buildup. One could feel the tension and both the _Crimson Tide_ inspiration as well as this essentially being Starfleet's _Cuban Missile Crisis._ Until the next Wings video is "decloaked", keep what of the night skies, for you may not know what, or who, might be there.

Terrific, you did a great job of building the tension. The Tomed incident is a blank canvas as far as Canon is concerned and you filled it in beautifully 👍👌

The torpedo hitting its own ship bugged me. Not that they could throw it off and have it track its own ship, but actually damaging it. It would have safety measures against this sort of thing happening or the ship could remote detonate it once they realized it was tracking them. Even modern torpedoes have these kinds of safety features.

I didn't know Odo joined Starfleet and became admiral😂🤣

Giving up cloaking devices was one of the dumbest decisions SF ever made.

Killed it Venom.

Really enjoy these tales of the lost years! Thank you!

Nice. I’ve watched Crimson tide a lot too.

You were right .....about the horses

Bravo Zulu, on an excellent and professional presentation of both parts. This channel is one of my favorites.

This would make a great storyline for a mini series

This is comadore Sulu set condition 1SQ spin up tubes 1 and 2 . Helm come about to torpedo range. Orders confirmed!

I love how the Romulans are "IRS" ships.

This reminds me of the Undiscovered country. Wonderful work!

A first class piece of storytelling, and a fascinating insight on the "history" of the Federation. Thanks 👍

Cheers mate

I love how both sides inflicted the needless casualties that made this "Tomed Incident" so controversial. Although it seemed like from dialogue that it was the Romulans who solely did the attack. With this added context, it can be said that the naming of "incident" has a bit of shame attached to it. Like it was one of the few (known) times that the Federation Starfleet committed a serious war crime. This realization sobered by the fact that the Romulans did the same thing lol. The old TOS way of thinking was no more... The TNG way of thinking had begun. This would have it's downsides and benefits.

Just watched this 2 parter again… Absolutely Epic stuff Mike! Probably…imho anyway…some of the best stuff you’ve done to date. Fantastic work sir! Thank you for all you do here. 😎👍

The term 'Incident' does not do justice to the brief but bloody exchange. It seems as well that the occurrences which played out on those 40 days were truly the last outings of the starfleet of old, the younger generations who would come after wouldn't remember a war so deadly and the notions would seem outdated and ones of a more primitive era. It wouldn't be long before that new generation made a whole other set of mistakes that would cost the lives of many more.

In the treaty of Algeron the federation should've NEVER given up their cloaking abilities. Both sides should've AGREED to that since Any power would have an advantage over the other. Terrible negotiations in this area.

Very tense at times and very well done! Thanks Venom!

I'll bet things really got heated up again between the Federation and the Romulans after the Battle of Nerendra 3 where 4 Romulan Warbirds attacked the Klingon Outpost there and the Ambassador Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-C came to the outposts defense and was destroyed with a loss of all hands as a result.

I honestly didn't know any of this history, thank you for telling us.

Bro. Absolutely stunning series. Thank you so so much for all of this brilliant material to watch.

I assume uss Hernandez is for captain Hernandez' . ( enterprise, uss Columbia)

fantastic videos-Paramount should take notice. Too bad you could not get George Takai for Sulu-very well done in plot, effects. looking foreward to seeing more..best of luck...

I really liked this, you presented a logical reasoning behind one of the unsolved questions of Trek, why wouldn't the Federation develop cloaks? And now we see why...

This needs to be its own series. They brought Captain Picard back. Paramount should do a 2 season series for Admiral Sulu and Captain Chekov. I think this story could be well told in 20 episodes.

Beautiful can't wait for your next battle analysis video

I love your stories I listen to them all the time. I eagerly awaiting the next one

Love all of your stuff man. Fills the void well.

This was a Fantastic production! Well done!

Another excellent video, thank you!

A well done video that didn't disappoint in the slightest.

I HAVE TO SAY THESE NARRATIVES ARE MOST FASCINATING, AND THE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OF SUCH IS MOST IMPRESSIVE, INDEED !!GARY BAILEY KING OF DARKNESS GOOD GOD MAN, I HAVE BEEN WATCHING ALOT OF STAR TREK, I AM NOW SOUNDING LIKE A VULCAN!!!

Worst mistake in Star Trek history was giving up the cloak. You never give up a technological edge. Clearly they got a new one in the dominion war so maybe they were allowed to have them again.

Wonderful writing, love the art .

Very well done! I love this style of story telling.

A Federation ship couldn’t detonate it’s own torpedo 🙄🤨 BS ! love these most of the time. Also my main problem with Star Trek cannon is the ban on cloaking devices for the Federation only. No one side , would ever do that !!!

Bloody brilliant !

Love the story telling! Awesome as usual!

Wow. Nicely written and produced. Hope you do more of these in the future.

Great job! Great content! Thank you!

"ThEYrE FuELinG thEIR pLAsmA TorPEDoes!"

Amazing. Fantastic video!

Execellent work!

One of my takeaways from the shows was how it would take the patience of a saint to share a border with the Romulans. With certain exceptions, the majority of minor confrontations and major conflicts they find themselves in are of their own making, usually by brought on after they're caught violating treaty borders. And yet they're always quick to play the victim when caught on an aggressive stance in someone else's space, and then to demand concessions at the negotiating table. The Empire comes off sounding like a pathocracy, a government run by and for sociopaths. And you've gotta feel bad for the normal romulan joes who have to deal with that government's decisions.

the incredible moment of the history in star fleet

i love you involved drachinifel with this it's great

Great information

I've been looking forward to this for a while. Great Job! Started watching you back at the tail end of the Romulan War series. If I can do a read for you... hit me up!

Very nice, both episodes

Nice to see the Romulans outsmart a gas detecting photon torpedo. On the other hand, it was interesting that even one photon torpedo was useful! Commodore Sulu the Swashbuckler! I'd forgotten the fun he seemed to be having swinging that blade in TOS. I suppose that a somewhat chastened Federation was willing to give up cloaking tech. The Federation was willing to be remarkably provocative in this time, more typical peacenik thinking reasserting itself? Maybe so. Better to give up cloaking than guns, perhaps? Concentrate on sensors and shields and structural integrity fields to compensate? Maybe to build big, technically advanced ships to patrol the neutral zone to counter Romulan cloaking. It's also not impossible that the Klingon Empire was angered at a Federation buildup after the Khitomer Accords? Giving up cloaking tech might have been just as much to mollify the Klingons and to keep the Khitomer Accords alive as it was to have a 'reset' with the Romulans? The Federation might have been thinking that they might have been in the process of snatching defeat from the jaws of their victory in achieving peace at Khitomer? This also suggests a political mechanism as to how a peace with Klingons at Khitomer might have devolved to a state of a long war as seen in "Yesterday's Enterprise"?

I still think the Federation is insane for agreeing to give up cloaking tech without the Romulus doing the same.

I love the implications of this. Not only has it shown how Starfleet adventurism nearly triggered a devastating war, it explains why the Federation would be willing to give up Cloaking technology. When Federation citizens learned their leaders were building cloaking starships armed with planet-busting weapons they'd be outraged, the political backlash must have been staggering. The Hawks in Starfleet were disgraced and the Doves were triumphant, Sulu showing that diplomacy was right and war was wrong. The political echoes of this would ring down the decades, so that even when engaged with the Cardassian Union the Federation refused to acknowledge it was a war and kept offering them terms and peace deals.

Heh, I had a feeling there was alot of "crimson tide" in this tale. 😉 And why not? It is the greatest naval film of all time! It proves that you don't need a war to have all the best elements of war stories. Drama, action and heroics.

A true cold war escalation story...fantastic . Keep up the great Vids, cant wait for the next one :)

So this is where that dumbass treaty of Algeron came from

Phenomenal storytelling

brilliant 👏🏿👍🏿.

My cousin played a character in Crimson Tide. 😆

This should be a series

Well done 👍 you have yourself a new sub 😊

Great breakdown in his part of Star Trek lore. On another note will you be coveringr the Enterprise F becoming canon

Should of never gave up the cloaking device

this has to be a 2 part movie

Long live the King!

Thanks for these videos. You’ve done a great job of exploring and explaining a tragically under appreciated period in Star Trek history. Interesting thoughts on the “what could have been” if starfleet had cloaking devices. Again thank you.

man...Drach has been getting around. swear i heard a "do you see torpedo boats?" on another channel. Animarchy History i think...

Hey! I think I heard Drachinifel!