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These Problems With Solo Shuffle Are Causing Players To Quit PvP In Dragonflight

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9 ай бұрын

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@ThrallsHammer
@ThrallsHammer 9 ай бұрын
Venruki is the only top player that seems to care that people are quitting WoW. All top PvE raiders and M+ players ignore the issues PvE faces entirely. PvE like PvP now faces the lowest numbers of all time during Dragonflight. Thanks for standing up for the majority of the playerbase Venruki. We appreciate it!!
@dmasiodnmiod
@dmasiodnmiod 9 ай бұрын
Because the game is just bad. Everybody playing Classic ERA instead.
@johnlinks
@johnlinks 9 ай бұрын
The top 1% are out of touch with the game. Only think what's best for the them and not the casual player. Unfortunately blizzard placates the 1%ers constantly
@eliotness107
@eliotness107 9 ай бұрын
nobody cares for the noobs, same shit in every game. just trash talk the worse players and on top of that they get no rewards for trying their best and manage to pick up a round or 2 and still get nothing lol
@foxmulder7436
@foxmulder7436 9 ай бұрын
@@dmasiodnmiod lol classic era is garbage tho
@NemisisRecords
@NemisisRecords 9 ай бұрын
@@dmasiodnmiod Which top players are hard grinding Classic besides Xar? Who's said it multiple times, Classic to him is boring. If hardcore wasn't a mode, he wouldn't be playing 🤣
@MikBT
@MikBT 9 ай бұрын
Venruki you missed a detail. When you are randomly thrown to a 1900 fight with a class that you dont know how to play, remember there is a healer there that will have to lose because of that. I found that as a healer really annoying. This happens a lot at 1500 where most of the people starts. I believe everyone should start at 0.
@impressionsmograph3575
@impressionsmograph3575 9 ай бұрын
I recently came back to the game, leveled up got the honor gear for my Disc Priest, and jumped into Solo Shuffle to start getting conquest and trying to learn. The first lobby I get into is 2800, understand that I am NOT a 2800 player, I'm probably not even a 2000 player, so everyone in that game got punished because I was placed where I had no business playing. Still, DPS managed to carry my weight enough that my next lobby was 2600, where more DPS carried me even further, but we had a leaver so it sort of came out in the wash. The next few lobbies, I got run over, it dawned on people in full gear that I was in honor gear, and I lost every round for my team due to inexperience and gear disadvantage. Getting run down and beaten by better players is not something that bogs me down easily, but what gets me every time is being the dead weight that wrecks other players' experience, and in my single stressful night of solo shuffle, numerous players were punished by the placement system putting me in lobbies I simply did not belong in, and I haven't been back since. To the credit of everyone involved, not a single person roasted me in chat, no one blamed me, but they 100% got punished by my presence there. Winners gained nothing, losers lost a lot more than they should have, and my MMR is still above 2k.
@iiJaRhonNaDeS
@iiJaRhonNaDeS 9 ай бұрын
Sounds about right
@TheRamro
@TheRamro 9 ай бұрын
Was pretty much my experience, returned to the game after 10+ years within few weeks I got level cap, gear and around 2k in shuffle then every single ladder I was queued with gladiators which was just not fun.
@Esqueue_
@Esqueue_ 9 ай бұрын
As a current glad on multiple healers, these are the exact reasons I rarely queue solo shuffle.
@Zetherior
@Zetherior 9 ай бұрын
The mistake Blizzard made was thinking that healers are competing against solely each other.. they are not. A healer is not competing against the enemy healer, they are competing against the whole team.. the sum of the skill, knowledge and dps/hps throughput of not only the enemy team, but your own team, determines how long you as the healer will keep your team alive. So what you have is a system of combined Healer Power and Dps Power and the ratio at which your team power is above the enemy team power is what determines the amount of time that a team can survive. It's not about which healer has the most healer power.. it's about which team has a higher ratio.. and it's important to understand that a bad dps impacts that ratio just as much as a good healer does, and dps make up two thirds of every team.. thus two thirds of the teams power ratio. So having healers in their own mmr bracket is just bad plain and simple.. you're being punished for the mistakes of the dps and then punished again by Blizzard coding the game to think that those dps mistakes were infact your mistakes as the healer.
@gpturismo
@gpturismo 9 ай бұрын
I really miss Cata/Mop/WoD honor and conquest. You could relax and still progress if you wanted.
@Primal_Echo
@Primal_Echo 2 ай бұрын
Yup. MoP was where it was at.
@random-access-youtube6812
@random-access-youtube6812 9 ай бұрын
I felt that and im so glad blizzcon level players are sharing the same issues as nubs like me. Im not great at arena and i jumped on shuffle quickly, i also heal. But getting flamed when you aren’t on the same awareness level as a teammate, or the terrible hurt from losing 35 rating for a 3-3, slowly made me not even want to push. I get why they changed the cq amount, but man, more people played it then. Now not as many do. I hope they take notes from players of sterge and your skill level.
@realpitchachu
@realpitchachu 9 ай бұрын
One of the most annoying things I run into is someone will be afk the first couple rounds (of course when they are on your team) and then they will come back after that which already guarantees you won’t go above 3-3. I don’t know how there’s no detection system to kick them sooner so it doesn’t negatively impact anyone else.
@danielc7737
@danielc7737 9 ай бұрын
i think there should be qualifying rounds like play 5 or 10 rounds and based on how you do it will assign you a rating at which you start at. Also they should design the rating system to take gear score into account. This would help drastically with fresh or new characters just getting started. Also i think it would be cool if they added an unranked solo shuffle that would reward like half the amount of honor and conquest. That would be a great way to get started and practice learning characters in solo shuffle environment.
@tristencaudill1806
@tristencaudill1806 9 ай бұрын
Gear based match making is always super good. I know there's alot of private servers that will put you into gear brackets with pre determined ilvl range and it's very helpful and makes it way more enjoyable. You're not getting completely rolled by premades like in classic that have full relentless/wrathful gear and your team is just now getting their gear from season 1
@Bathrezz1
@Bathrezz1 9 ай бұрын
If the healer got rating higher and faster as a DPS does that mean he was suck at healing? or the randon DPS was suc?
@evenSuperman
@evenSuperman 9 ай бұрын
Fix soloshuffle rating for Healers! getting teamed up with all others below 1000rating im on 1835. loosing playing 2/6 and loosing -63 to -80 rating. winning 4/6 gaining +8 rating. Is this working as intended? playing 80 games to gain 100 rating loosing 8 and get -120
@mcneil83
@mcneil83 9 ай бұрын
Thx 4 your work !
@bertocast419
@bertocast419 9 ай бұрын
I wish yall would quit pvp in retail to get the message across. its not going to get fixed when everyone is still no lifeing the hell out of pvp still. I'm glad you're putting out these videos bro. hopefully something Is done soon
@anthonynishiyama3143
@anthonynishiyama3143 9 ай бұрын
How about if they made a no healer present change to abilities similar to ffxiv ? DPS classes have healing options outside of having a healer present.
@miraclo3
@miraclo3 9 ай бұрын
wish there was a 2v2 DPS only solo shuffle. some people just dont like playing with healers and enjoy the faster games.
@tylerchapman8856
@tylerchapman8856 9 ай бұрын
Yea it would be fun.. problem is stealth classes have suchbs massive advantage
@Ermacmike
@Ermacmike 9 ай бұрын
and then we would cry about rogues ruining the ladder :P
@user-vr4xt1op5h
@user-vr4xt1op5h 9 ай бұрын
add 2's shuffle (2v2) 4's shuffle (4v4) 5's shuffle (5v5) give a mount (not the glad one but similar ) for +100 wins at 2400/2500 for all shuffles brackets. maybe give a mount for healers spec only at +100 wins at 2400/2500 (not the glad one but similar) if they give another type of mount for "glad" in shuffles, u have still a different rewards from Glad but still Hard to get and glad mount doesnt get "deflated" by that.
@DarkDiDi
@DarkDiDi 9 ай бұрын
The SS rewards need to be more appealing to draw people in (only R1 gets permanent rewards, and that toy isn't something anyone cares about. Moreover, the additional conquest and honor aren't practical for healers). Blizzard's attempts to boost player engagement are pretty disheartening. They do it by reducing the rewards for winning and lowering the penalty thresholds, which means players have to play more games to make up for the shortage of players (it's often in vain if it's not 5-1 or 6-0). We rarely see new players, or rather, newcomers, have been scared off by this situation. The situation will continue unless players unite to boycott SS or protest against Blizzard's design like this.
@bartuslongus
@bartuslongus 9 ай бұрын
So ridiculous how a big company like that seems to put so few thoughts in a system that should motivate ppl to stay and play.
@jeffreymellaerts1734
@jeffreymellaerts1734 9 ай бұрын
it's like a coverment ... they just there for the MONEY!
@chukky1124
@chukky1124 7 ай бұрын
The community makes sure you stay away and play something else ^^ i joined Solo shuffle as a newbie healer ( 16 years of wow pvp exp with feral and i stopped pvp in DF ) ... after 2 rounds i got so much cursed at and name called etc Whilee they never line of sighted etc that i instantly left , deleted the healing character and never looked back. ill stick to tanking pve from now on. the community clearly is showing they dont want healers
@lostheboss7938
@lostheboss7938 9 ай бұрын
3-3 as a healer should gain you rating. 3-3 isn't bad as a healer imo
@MrDeralickmyballs
@MrDeralickmyballs 9 ай бұрын
I agree, you get one shitter dps and the healer is screwed
@MrDeralickmyballs
@MrDeralickmyballs 9 ай бұрын
I’m a shitter dps
@jeffm7530
@jeffm7530 9 ай бұрын
I hated healer mmr. I stopped after hitting past 2400
@magdabrownis265
@magdabrownis265 9 ай бұрын
Definitely. As a healer I’ve noticed most lobbies one of the dps is probably going 0-6 unless I can scrounge out a win with them and get 4 wins for me
@Ackz89
@Ackz89 9 ай бұрын
I was at 1850 mmr as my holy priest, was getting into 2100-2200 bracket games due to lack of healers. One game I actually went 6-0 and only gained 72 rating lol
@89mso
@89mso 9 ай бұрын
I quit right before 10.1, simply because of solo queues, rating gains as a healer, the never ending ups and downs of fotm OP rerollers (think Ret) and the final straw was the mandatory embellishments. I just wanna log on and pvp, I don’t want to grind out a quest line to pvp competitively.
@Gewsfrahba
@Gewsfrahba 9 ай бұрын
If queue times are not fixed the game is doomed. Unless you are an only WoW player there are simply just other PvP games where you can get one or two even more full sessions during the duration of one queue for solo shuffle.
@thehardcorecasual9444
@thehardcorecasual9444 9 ай бұрын
Like WOTLK :D
@chendoolivaz6085
@chendoolivaz6085 9 ай бұрын
I sit in Solo shuffle queue for 40 minutes but if I hop on another game I’m loaded into the game within 15 seconds
@eodyn7
@eodyn7 9 ай бұрын
@@thehardcorecasual9444 Nobody cares about that boomer shit.
@rickroll9705
@rickroll9705 9 ай бұрын
Queue times are def bad, but i also would lose over 40 mins to find a partner that i actually could arena with, nowadays sometimes i cna in fact get to play less time than before.
@Gewsfrahba
@Gewsfrahba 9 ай бұрын
I am not arguing in favor of the old system. I am arguing that everyone's time is finite, and if you want to pursue PvP, your best bet is to not play WoW because you can get way more gameplay out of another game (and most PvP games are free, to boot)@@rickroll9705
@camobranson09
@camobranson09 9 ай бұрын
I played Unholy DK last season and this is how I felt most of the season. There were several times last season where I would win 4-6 out of 6 rounds and only gain like 12 points per match, or 30 in some cases but then I might lose 4 rounds the next match and lose 70+ points causing me to be running at a deficit. It was extremely upsetting. I hit 1600 points 7 separate times and 1700 once. Couple that with how you're bound to lose some matches due to bad team-comp or trolls/feeders/griefers and it just really starts to feel unpleasant but I just figured "that's the name of the game, Baby." Then it was the last week of the season. My last chance to really push. I got to 1725 rating, just 75 more points and 5 hours from the end of the season (unbeknownst to me) my internet drops out in the middle of a match costing me 150 points. I figured 'Okay but I got there before and I have 10 hours before servers go down for update so I've got that long to get it back.' I did not. By time my internet came back I had 1 hour to gain 225 points and I knew I was going to lose at least a few matches.
@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb
@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb 9 ай бұрын
MMR is very free below 2100. While you can get hung up on blaming lobbies at your rating, I’d look to improve before you include yourself in this problem.
@Isekai_no_Yume
@Isekai_no_Yume 9 ай бұрын
​@@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbthis is always the least helpful statement always uttered by folks with positive or negative intention. Nobody loses a match without considering what they could have done to contribute to that loss. It is the #1 in algebra, a given. The issue at lower elo is not even knowing half the time the nature of the issue. It's not always mechanical, execution based, or even match up knowledge --- it sometimes and many times are you simply are not being matched with folks at your skill level, and lack of people player distorts this ratio greatly. Empathy can go along way here. To the OP tho, I feel you. I DC'd after a 0-6 prior match and tanked almost 200 points. I ended up getting them back after sticking with it 50 more matches, but I could have been at 1800 by then. Just keep at it, the upside is unlike before, at least we can que!
@xKurkx
@xKurkx 9 ай бұрын
@@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb Sure it is, unless you are a casual. If u win 4/6 rounds you get 20ish rating, but if you dare to have a bad lobby and go 2/6 you go down 70 points easily. But hey, instead of making a system that actually works for both casual and R1 players just say "git gud no0b" and expect participation to go up.
@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb
@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb 9 ай бұрын
@@Isekai_no_Yume im not reading all that, but "Nobody loses a match without considering what they could have done to contribute to that loss." is so blatantly untrue. stop. just stop.
@Isekai_no_Yume
@Isekai_no_Yume 9 ай бұрын
@@mbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmbmb "I'm not reading, what I don't already agree with"*** Fixed the first part of your response for you 😁
@MaximumAxiom
@MaximumAxiom 9 ай бұрын
There has never had enough healers, even in vanilla all the way to DF. Solo shuffle will always have a bad queue until they just make healing in WoW fun for most players
@Kurnhelios
@Kurnhelios 9 ай бұрын
The main player base is middle aged bald dudes wearing shorts and sandals, they don’t wanna heal on a priest, they want to smack people on their warrior, it’s that simple. For healers to appeal to them they need to do damage, but when healers do too much damage or other utility it's broken in PvP. Solve that design issue and you'll fix it, until then, well, here we are.
@Pichu11000
@Pichu11000 9 ай бұрын
I feel like everyone is hyperfocusing on rating and missing this completely, i've always had insta queues as a healer and dps players always had long ones way before ss existed, that's why there was always 20 different groups in lfg looking for a healer and i was able to choose whichever i liked and instantly get invited. The problem with healing is that it is not appealing for most people, the amount of people who enjoy making health bars go up and nothing else is minimal, that's why all the modern games evolved to have not only healers but also off-healers or off-supports. Look at overwatch, you have mercy for people who like traditional healing, you have moira for those who want to kill people and then you have everything in the middle so you can choose the healer that better suits your playstyle. Same with league of legends, and supports like zyra, senna, lux, etc. Wow went on the right direction in season 1 with prevoker and disc priest, which literally made a ton of dps start healing but for some reason they decided to nerf both into the ground. Healers in wow should modernize, leave prevoker and disc as the damage dealing healers, Hpriest and Rdru as high output healers and rsham, hpal and mw as something in the middle or maybe more multi-tool focused healers. Otherwise, if every healer is supposed to stand in narnia and do nothing all game, the healer population will never grow even if they fix rating.
@oshkoshbjosh
@oshkoshbjosh 9 ай бұрын
As a healer (Disc Priest) in solo-shuffle... it feels like most wins are somewhere between 6-12 points.... and once I lost all 6 rounds because of a rogue who had a problem with his mouse when he was on my team (deadly when he was on the other team) and lost 72 points. I'm not an AWC pro but generally speaking I don't just lose all 6 games. I had been grinding for more than 5 hours because of a goal to hit 2k+ and in one single solo-shuffle I lost more points than I gained that whole night's grind. Just after that, I had a match where I won 2 and lost 4 and lost 46 points... which I didn't understand, because if I won/lost 3/3 it would be zero point reward. How is one game's loss worth 46 points? I was now so much further from the goal than before I began the grind of 5+ hours. The queue may be a lot shorter for a healer but losing 72 points because of a rogue who was a free kill or having a bad game where you only win 2 of the 6 and getting 46 point punishment was very sad times and I stopped doin solo-shuffle entirely.
@JuanEsquitin
@JuanEsquitin 9 ай бұрын
Actually to add to what Venruki said at minute 8:00 they should give you honor and conquest acordingly after winning a match within the lobby also win the rating acordingly properly shown in the table. The should happen whe you lose you get some honor and lose rating after every match in the lobby.
@DankMemes-xq2xm
@DankMemes-xq2xm 9 ай бұрын
Was trying to gear up a character, managed to win 5 solo shuffle rounds in a row, and then on the sixth one a DPS tilted and left the game. Got 0 conquest and had waited 40mins for the queue. It is unbelievably demotivating.
@Sienilehma
@Sienilehma 9 ай бұрын
ive played since tbc and now im first time trying healer and pvp and im stuggling to gear my healer getting 1900 lobbys on solo shuffle and cant gain any conquest
@not_vern
@not_vern 9 ай бұрын
I actually prefer healing but it’s so much harder to push rating as a healer than on dps. Just seeing no healers in the top 100 on the solo que ladder is insane. I feel hardstuck 2100 on all my healers because 90% of the time I go 3-3 because its three 2300 dps players and then one guy doing placement matches who has low rating and goes 0-6. I log my boomy and get 2400 over a weekend. Hopefully it’s fixed in 10.2? Increasing healer CR would be such an incentive to play.
@penhog
@penhog 9 ай бұрын
I would also like to add as a healer if you end up losing to a better healer (which is fair enough) the abuse you sometimes not only get in game but whispered after is insane ive even had someone who I've /ignored log on to an alt to continue abuse,would it be an idea to when you enter a lobby your name is changed and only in game party chat is allowed?
@dylanjordan6020
@dylanjordan6020 9 ай бұрын
Make sure you report the people who do this they can and will get banned if they do it to many times and get reported enough
@calamity0.o
@calamity0.o 9 ай бұрын
When they log an alt after you have ignored them, it's harassment and a violation. They are actively disregarding the ignore feature. Blizzard absolutely will help them to remember if you report.
@NewmNetwork
@NewmNetwork 9 ай бұрын
It’s not just solo shuffle. People don’t want to play healers across the board in Pvp. They gain honor and conquest slowly and they are subjected to a lot toxicity from dps who expect them to carry the team to a win. It’s not worth it.
@The_VBM
@The_VBM 9 ай бұрын
Cool points, Mr.Ruki ! I'd also mention PvP is overly complicated, imagine a game where you actually have to study to git good and climb, I mean...WTF !!! Having some 2.3kish experience as DPS, I decided to try healing in SS and get a feeling of it... I simply hated !!! Anyway, having the the time of my life healing mythics tho, go figure...
@majkatrojedjece6585
@majkatrojedjece6585 9 ай бұрын
Well now when they have data, why cant they just do X=avgdpsmmr/avghealmmr, and then just use X to scale healers mmr after every game?
@davidschultz2198
@davidschultz2198 9 ай бұрын
I ❤ shuffle in season 1, but quit in season 2 bc conquest was way too low per game. I don't have forever to play and couldn't fill the bar quick enough to get a vault reward. I don't remember it this way in season1. Meanwhile, I can get a m+ vault in 1 15 min dungeon.
@robaye8681
@robaye8681 9 ай бұрын
Bliz also need to do something about the toxic environment/people in pvp and mythic
@Girrrrrrrr
@Girrrrrrrr 9 ай бұрын
Why SS is 3v3 and has healers I'll never understand. Shoulda been 2v2 dps only. Later on down the line add the SS 3's queue, or do it as a special event.
@markking5605
@markking5605 9 ай бұрын
so healers can't do the shuffle? no
@almostanonymous8768
@almostanonymous8768 9 ай бұрын
I find it still fun how people think rating and mmr somehow matters. It literally will not change anything... give them rating, all it's gonna do is that people quit at 2.4k instead of 1.8k.... You need to motivate people to KEEP playing, not set irrelevant goals that don't mean anything.
@blakeleggett1399
@blakeleggett1399 9 ай бұрын
I had a queue pop at 8 minutes. Someone declines..."you have been returned to the FRONT of the queue". It did not pop again until FOURTY NINE MINUTES IN QUEUE.
@kylegray1060
@kylegray1060 9 ай бұрын
As a healer going 3-3 should increase rating every time. Youre only matched against 1 other player.
@dobromir90
@dobromir90 9 ай бұрын
Are you saying that if a random noob healer that is several hundred rating below you and manages to 3-3s you, you should not lose rating?? It means you played under what you are currently rated are and should have by all means done better than 3-3 against that healer.
@CarolinDnB
@CarolinDnB 9 ай бұрын
then don't make me queue into a healerr that is "several hundred rating below me" ? - how hard is that lmao@@dobromir90
@ovidiu9321
@ovidiu9321 9 ай бұрын
considering the disc priest rework was a troll rework by blizz and that 35% of all SS healers are disc priests expect queues to increase drastically
@loyalsandman
@loyalsandman 9 ай бұрын
@venruki the queue is still bugged since shadowlands. Your queue can get bugged ans you'll never get it or it won't pop until like 30 minutes. I've tested this many many times where if you requeue it will pop after a few minutes.
@ourcommonancestry6025
@ourcommonancestry6025 9 ай бұрын
This is so true. I get lobbied with people that speak no english, approach every fight like they have target dummy tunnel vision, and have the skill to LOS healers but stand in aoe. SS MMR for healers is broke, it sucks so much to heal low cr
@thewhisperer4820
@thewhisperer4820 9 ай бұрын
10:36 there is better way, even before they did anything about leavers I predicted this and mentioned it to you as well. I was right. When somebody leaves, it should be treated as if he lost every single following rounds (thus his teammates as well). And then scale MMR and rating and possibly CP accordingly (meaning if he went 0-3 and left, consider him 0-6 and half the rewards).
@videofabriken
@videofabriken 9 ай бұрын
I just started yesterday and got thrown in to a soloshuffle on 2300mmr with no gear and no experience of this ssn. Seems kinda fucked
@bradleymcgivney5305
@bradleymcgivney5305 9 ай бұрын
the issue that really stuck out to me for pvp were 20 minute que times....
@courtvisions2
@courtvisions2 9 ай бұрын
The conquest issue is actually a big reason why I log off quickly some days. Its hard to come back to the game to play shuffle just to sit around and then get no conquest for the little wins that I do get. Glad its being mentioned.
@rickroll9705
@rickroll9705 9 ай бұрын
? You not losing due 13 ilvl difference against people that are almost all of the time not full conq and stuck at 1500
@Tiptoess
@Tiptoess 9 ай бұрын
same i tried gearing my warrior for a week and i got my weapon and a ring thats it and i did like 300 rounds, and in lower cr almost every other lobby is just a leave so ontop of playing 36 rounds with no conquest every other game has a leaver after waiting for 30-45 minutes its terrible
@courtvisions2
@courtvisions2 9 ай бұрын
@@rickroll9705 you're clearly a troll but not all of us have all day to practice one game so it takes a bit to get going coming back to the game, so every round win matters. If i go 2 and 4 and it takes an hour of my time and i get nothing it makes it hard to want to play more. its pretty easy to understand that.
@courtvisions2
@courtvisions2 9 ай бұрын
@@Tiptoess Agreed! There needs to be rewards for round wins because each round is essentially a 3s win. Getting nothing for half the time you're playing the game (regardless if you are a great player or not) is the worst feeling
@rickroll9705
@rickroll9705 9 ай бұрын
@@courtvisions2 trolling about what? game is about builder, spenders and big CDS. The hardcore super hard thing is literally positioning yourself lol. Wanna get full honor gear? takes about 3 hours, maybe less, the top pvp gear is 13% better than what you get in those 3 hours grind, not meaningless but you can go above 1800 rating and do bgs just whitout them, hell I got duelist whit like 15 Solo shuffles and didnt have the conq weapon. There is somethign EVEN MORE EASY to understand, sometimes the issue isnt in the screen my dude but between the chair and the screen, if you cant improve just move on. If you managed to not get anything be a conq item or a full honor set in 2 to 4 hours in the current system im sorry but the only solution would just hand them free at this point lol.
@asdasd-lf4xh
@asdasd-lf4xh 9 ай бұрын
last season I had a lot of fun getting every healer to 2.4 then starting to work on dps then starting to work on 2.7. This season I got 3 healers to 2.4; only hpally was (fun/easy) the other 2 felt like a complete slog. I figured i'd take a break and wait for inflation. Came back a month later, still felt like a slog. Gave up then and there. So rather than having a rotation of 10 different alts constantly queueing im just not queueing at all. The over inflation vrs over deflation point ven makes in my opinion is the most important thing that killed this season.
@Morleyz
@Morleyz 9 ай бұрын
As a healer. I tilt and give up on SS. If you get ONE bad dps. You are now destined for a 3-3 at BEST. Or 0-6 at worst. This now means we lose 70 cr and get 0. As a dps the games seem easier to carry when playing as/with a fotm class. (I play as a Hpriest which gets shadowed by Hpala, Rdr and even MW in most games).
@Sharky042003
@Sharky042003 9 ай бұрын
I had to check when this video was released because the issue with healers in solo shuffle was evident from the moment it was released before dragonflight. Since then this was obvious. The fundamentals behind having 1 healer on one side and another healer in the other side is broken and cannot be mitigated. 4 dps vs 2 healers will always make it easier for the dps to climb faster. Less room for healers to do a mistake compared to 1 out of 4 dps
@boganbattalion7088
@boganbattalion7088 9 ай бұрын
I actually disagree with the starting rating thing, I find if I start at 1900 rating I find it easier to get my 1900 but if I start lower than 1500 people have no clue and I am not good enough to carry my team so my builds get stuck in limbo. Obviously this might be different for others but for me I feel I can hold in those lobbies because atleast there is some brain cells there
@mcshaft2760
@mcshaft2760 9 ай бұрын
I wish they would do 2s solo shuffle. All roles are equal...meaning it doesn't matter if you are healer or dps. As long as they don't put 2 healers together.
@rituru8986
@rituru8986 9 ай бұрын
i dont know i wanna play pvp so bad but i cant learn it because everyone is leaving if i do one mistake and thats why i cant grind conq gear or sth thats so sad
@nickwoods4701
@nickwoods4701 8 ай бұрын
100% right, if someone leaves you get no conquest rewards no matter how well you’ve done to that point. I was 5-0 in a lobby as a resto sham yesterday, the disc priest in the lobby left and I got 150 honor, no conquest, & no mmr boost. Something definitely needs to change!
@andrewshandle
@andrewshandle 9 ай бұрын
The No conquest unless winning 3 games is mind boggling to me. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Fix that and the "losing mmr despite winning 3+ games" and you're guaranteed to get more healers playing. Even if it's just 15% more it'd drastically cut queue times.
@rickroll9705
@rickroll9705 9 ай бұрын
Cool, then people queue just to semi afk and lose as fast as possible to get free gear, the lwoer brackets gonna be soo fun.
@andrewshandle
@andrewshandle 9 ай бұрын
@@rickroll9705 because 75 minute queues and punishing healers has worked out wonderfully so far.
@rickroll9705
@rickroll9705 9 ай бұрын
? Even late night worst you getting in 30ish to 40ish mins queue at lower brackets at "high"(2000+) brackets and even as DPS depending on your class and spec its 10 mins or so, playing fotm has disavantages and being fotm in lower brackets where the ratio for dps;healer is far greater is just you memeing yourself into chaos, 3 to 4 shuffles and this issues is sovled provided you dont lose all of them lol. It could take legit 2 horus to make a 3s group in shadowlands to play 6 games. SS has whitout a doubt vastly improved the pvp experience.
@sharpangus8538
@sharpangus8538 9 ай бұрын
@@rickroll9705that’s why it should be per win within a lobby.
@andrewshandle
@andrewshandle 9 ай бұрын
@@rickroll9705 "It could take legit 2 horus to make a 3s group in shadowlands to play 6 games. SS has whitout a doubt vastly improved the pvp experience." This is the classic WoW Player mentality if I've ever seen it. Since the new system isn't as bad as something else was in the past, you will defend the current thing. You are allowed to expect better.
@mummypeachy
@mummypeachy 9 ай бұрын
I see you finally found the glitch! However have you tried doing 2v2 and 3v3 since the solo shuffle? I ask this because my husband and I found this problem actually transfers to 2v2 and 3v3 once its been encountered and not only did it transfer across all rated stuff it actually spreads like a virus to anyone who partners with you in rated arenas. Infact it spread to our entire guild which ultimately resulted in us quitting WoW. For it brought down the entire guild. Not to mention we started losing br by the time at 997. it didn't even reach the 1k mark before it started going down.
@curtisfullman3694
@curtisfullman3694 9 ай бұрын
I really hate it when the other healer is clearing more experienced than I am and has much lower rating and I just stand no chance and my rating is going to tank for losing the rounds, it feels like you might as well just give up after the first couple rounds as you know you're f'd either way. One of the many reasons gave up on solo queue after trying arena for the first time. Almost need to have an account wide rating system or something or they'll never convince new people to try out the content.
@joekazama2875
@joekazama2875 9 ай бұрын
For the AFK point I believe that no those under 3 wins should get no loss, those over 3 wins get a slight rating increase. The leaver should be banned from all PvP/PvE instances for one in game day (must be online and wait it out). After a day another leave would be a week, then a month, then indefinite. Maybe too harsh.
@prdgmshft9107
@prdgmshft9107 9 ай бұрын
Blizzard should literally just hire someone who’s sole job is to walk around the office and look at what ppl are working on and just ask “Is this fun?”
@SeanK-
@SeanK- 9 ай бұрын
Multiple times when starting new alt healers I have gotten 0 conquest winning 5 rounds because the other healer left on round 6.
@3j8km
@3j8km 9 ай бұрын
Man, it's jus sad. I wanted to make a challenge I did back in SL s4 again, all classes to 1.8 for the ellite pvp set, and the queues as DPS made me quit retail, now I am a hardcore and wotlk enjoyer, got all healers set and 1 dps, the queues are terrible :( and when you play healer is 3-3, 2-4, or 4-2 most times so you feel 0 progress and waste of time
@OG_Loudermilk
@OG_Loudermilk 9 ай бұрын
I made an MM Hunter last week and went into my first shuffle yesterday, it was a 2300 lobby with two 2300+ healers and two 2300+ dps, and then me and some other kid at 0 cr lol 😂
@Feli17389
@Feli17389 9 ай бұрын
Problem is it’s so hard to gear as a healer literally just get killed every time someone targets you, I miss the old days of wow when it was just bloodthirsty and vicious gear no upgrades, you can actually still fight people and skill mattered now it’s all gear dependent
@roeibi88
@roeibi88 9 ай бұрын
I agree with everything, I would also give blizzard the credit of solo shuffle being a new system, and the game need alot of adjustments to alot of content types while this being one of them, might take a bit. all I want to say to everyone else is dont loose hope.
@itstwopointsix
@itstwopointsix 9 ай бұрын
Do you think giving healers a 90s on-use trinket is the right choice. We Need More PVP rewards. Like tmog, titles, weapons, Mount skins maybe new achievements etc. 20 years of wow and i havnt recieved any glad title But i Know i am able to achieve it if i Got a team. Gladiator in 3v3 is absolutely outdated.
@MarineCorpzor1
@MarineCorpzor1 9 ай бұрын
If someone leaves let's say on the 5th or 6th round you get no conquest points. I opened a ticket to complain to blizz and they ignored the ticket, just sending me a faq response.
@Bretticus420
@Bretticus420 9 ай бұрын
Haven't played since DF S1. I really miss it. Hope they can make some changes. It's kinda sad to see people quitting, but hopefully, blizz will wake up and make a comeback...
@user-kh6zt1co8t
@user-kh6zt1co8t 9 ай бұрын
The reason why they dont give conquest for a win is because they want you to keep playing but now, people are like well ill do bgs and get more conq, whats the point. Great video!
@WoWDontu
@WoWDontu 9 ай бұрын
These things better be addressed before the next season or it’s donzo
@catface7152
@catface7152 9 ай бұрын
Was waiting for the timelapse at the end until the que popped but maybe next time.
@ChamberlainOG
@ChamberlainOG 4 ай бұрын
I as a casual just dont feel like spending multiple hours reading my spells and other classes spells to understand everything thats going on. It used to be simpler some classes had something, but now every single class seems to have stuns, insane healing, absorbs etc..
@jonathannoble7657
@jonathannoble7657 9 ай бұрын
I made this forum back when RSS first came out. I saw this issue with healers immediately
@fardrives
@fardrives 9 ай бұрын
Took a break a few months ago, haven't regret it since. Waiting until they fix a lot of their issues.
@Rook986
@Rook986 9 ай бұрын
I don't see why the matchmaker doesn't just put two no healer teams together
@Evilcoin
@Evilcoin 9 ай бұрын
I play a healer and I just had a game where I won 5/6 rounds. I gained 0 rating because the enemy healer was lower rating than me. I feel like my time was wasted so I quit solo shuffle.
@NormanG
@NormanG 9 ай бұрын
Recently had a shuffle where I was teamed with a grenade for 2 big L’s, third round he is finally on the enemy team…leaves. Rip my mmr
@NicolasToninelli
@NicolasToninelli 9 ай бұрын
Honestly I quit play Dragonflight as a main healer in solo shuffle....just pain, no gain
@JackOfFaces
@JackOfFaces 8 ай бұрын
I just came back to the game and quit in 2 weeks. I was really excited about solo queue but, as a game designer, I am baffled by what level of incompetence blizzard has displayed in designing these systems. Whoever designed solo shuffle as it is now has little to no competence in game design. Absolute degenerate design. Oh, by the way, I also got a warning for being "toxic" but my teammates who AFK-ed and griefed on purpose got no punishment.
@hunterwhite786
@hunterwhite786 9 ай бұрын
I gave up about 20 or 25 shuffles in this season. I cannot be sitting at a game, waiting to play it for longer than I’m actually playing it. That’s where I draw the line lol. I started just doing m+ instead. At least I get to play the game
@Solaxia
@Solaxia 6 ай бұрын
i just tried healing for the first time in solo shuffle and i thought it was going to be sweet with instant queue times - go 6-0 and only at around 1400 rating and i only get +8 rating... go 2-4 and lose 55 rating... its like are you for real
@JackJackKcajify
@JackJackKcajify 9 ай бұрын
So im new to dragonflight, but why do people need to que solo shuffle? has the player pool stopped looking for 2v2 and 3v3 games ? Just cause solo shuffle has rating, doesnt mean you need to play solo shuffle....
@Asmodeius
@Asmodeius 9 ай бұрын
another example from me. i took 6 toons to 1800. im a 1800 player, a bit better than casual. 2 were healers, disc priest and holy paladin. i tried doing 7th, a resto druid. i generally love druids. been maining one in warlords and end of cata. believe it or not, i could not even get over 1500 rating as resto druid. like yo, i cast heals, i know how to cycle my cds, i did cc (not my strongest playstyle). i tried for 2 weeks to break 1500, to no avail. i switch to feral druid i go 1700 the same day. just so you, high end players know (sitting there up top for so long, probably forgot) majority of people marinate in 1400-1600 bracket. getting to 1600, takes no skill, you just have to play enough games and know your rotation. no matter how bad you are, 1600 is attainable. so here i go feral druid 1700, and i hate ferals because over years their rotation became too bloated, you need to take ton of extra abilities instead of passive nodes in order to do well, plus whole hit and run without hard reset like rogues have. and than resto druid, who i love and always loved, just sitting there at 1450, unable to do anything. 3/6 gives me no rating, or like 1 or 2, making no difference because 1-2 lobbies down the road, i will lose 40 rating for going 2-6.
@vraxialidv9362
@vraxialidv9362 8 ай бұрын
I may just suck, and that's ok, but tried learning disc this season, first time playing it, 282 matches, 141 wins, can't get past 1380Cr, it drops and I manage to get it back up and then drops again nearly all matches seem to go 3-3 or 4-2, the odd 50% win ratio feels unnatural too, like I say I may just suck but just feels so weird how consistent the 50% ratio is, in a game mode with so many variables Honestly if not for the elite said I wouldn't be playing it, because this is really not fun lol
@BorichaConsumer
@BorichaConsumer 9 ай бұрын
I've never cared much for arena myself, but maybe if queues go 15+ minutes then you allow 3v3 dps games? If it's too bursty, you could add a damage reduction buff to everyone.
@Janglez
@Janglez 9 ай бұрын
Yeah bro I didn’t do any shuff on my ww and I started at 2100 mmr in blues I had to play 4 shuffs before I could get more than 1 win
@trainedtiger
@trainedtiger 9 ай бұрын
I think the lump conquest at the end is because people might quit in the middle of the match to go buy their piece of gear.
@frmtheden
@frmtheden 9 ай бұрын
giving rating per win should be a given in my opinion, 3-3 for anyone especially healers feels really bad with 0 rating, 2ndly MMR rating changes dont really matter
@aaronvargas7219
@aaronvargas7219 9 ай бұрын
I'm a pretty casual player mostly 2.1 exp on 3s and 2s, decided to return to dragonflight playing healer as it is easier to gear them quickly, and was just able to hit 1.9 after some weeks of getting stuck decided to try a dps and went to 2.1 really easy, again is not crazy rating or anything but healers suffers too much on ss
@demohidu5946
@demohidu5946 9 ай бұрын
So I'm not sure what's going on with that, because I've done shuffles where I only win one round and I still get honor even though technically it's a loss. The system doesn't make any sense lol.
@holinessmo-liness2280
@holinessmo-liness2280 9 ай бұрын
Holy smokes the dude hit the nail on the head. I Didn’t get into pvp until maybe 5 weeks ago and it has been 0 fun waiting and playing 3-4 hours just to get nothing. Not even 20 gold or something small like that. Conq needs to be earned every round if its takes 1 hour to actually finish a shuffle. Be it 5 conq or 150 conq I don’t care. Just not nothing
@raefevakhar
@raefevakhar 8 ай бұрын
Returning WoW player, Glad I saw this video before I started exploring solo shuffle
@HaCh3_
@HaCh3_ 5 ай бұрын
Honestly, I love solo shuffle. I have to play healer ofc so the queue pops, but compared to LFG bro this is hella cool
@nathanav1634
@nathanav1634 9 ай бұрын
I think the rating system just needs to go in the bin, there's little prestige to it anyway nowadays, it serves only to keep fights fairly even. LoL style brackets would feel less punishing or full CoD style level progression. Or keep rating, make it hidden so people don't play purely for numbers going up and instead provide a different progression hook, like x wins/day/week, unlocks such as shoulders being linked to games played not rating etc.
@MrGhost-st7rh
@MrGhost-st7rh 9 ай бұрын
So i decided to queue solo shuffle on my alt healer the other day. Note that it is a fresh toon with no previous season mmr. I get into a lobby where i am at 1850 mmr and the enemy healer is 1700mmr (none of us had any cr) Thinking it is a good chance to boost my mmr on the first shuffle games so that i can have better quality games at higher mmr, i tried my best to heal underperforming dps and managed to go 2-1 until the warrior in our lobby decided to leave the game. This resulted in me dropping 150 mmr even though i won 2 and lost one just because the game decided to match me with a lower mmr healer. You might think “”oh its your alt, or, this is just 1800 you will get higher quickly”” but in my experience healing 1700-2000 lobbies is way harder sometimes than even higher mmr games. I decided to not queue again and thats another healer gone from solo shuffle this season.
@adamsutherland7875
@adamsutherland7875 7 ай бұрын
Solo Shuffle is salvageable and definitely the future of PvP. But we need a relatively large and impactful PvP patch to get it done. -change SS to DPS/Tank/Healer. -remove all healing debuffs from most, or all DPS specs and relocate them to Tank PvP talents. DPS player is DPS>Utility>Offheals if applicable. Tank is HealingDebuffs>Utility=Damage. Healer is Heals>Utility>Damage.
@Superbluedog
@Superbluedog 9 ай бұрын
I'm saddly one of the healers that quit that mode. I accepted the 50/50 win rate, but the rating climb is insane. Every game is 3/3, 3/3, 3/3. Why put myself in that instance when I can get as much gear from 2s, 3s, RBGs or just standard BGs. Now I'll admit Im not a 2400 player. Only time I ever hit that was with prot paladin in one of the preseasons where it didn't count and prot was able to be a dedicated healer in 2s, but I am definitely at least capable of 2000-2100 if given the time. In the current reward system of WoW PvP, the sad truth is the only thing that would get me to dip my toe back into solo shuffle is if I could essentially get the Glad Mount guaranteed for 3/3 and some 2/4 matches. I was hoping the introduction to solo shuffle would be that answer of easier way to get Glad Mount for some of us Solo Healers to get better access to Glad Mount considering how hard it is to carry random DPS as a healer. I love queing for 2s and RBGs with randoms, and don't mind risking a little rating. But in that instance I am risking 1 match worth of rating, not 6 matches worth of time that could be predestined by the fact that there is a mage that doesn't know what button his iceblock or blink is bound to when a ret paladin with wings and a DK with full summons up comes barreling at him.
@areallyawsomename
@areallyawsomename 9 ай бұрын
tried to gear up my evoker using solo shuffle recently and it was literally impossible. He's got a bunch of shit gear and is playing 2500cr players with max gear, yet still apparently isn't allowed to get conquest after the queue despite winning 2 rounds and gaining a ton of rating? wtf is the logc there?
@eikonic
@eikonic 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. To my mind, Blizzard need to do something similar to what Riot did with the support role in League of Legends, which like healing in WoW was relatively unpopular. Riot started putting out support champions that could genuinely influence the outcome of games, for example through lots of CC or significant damage capabilities of their own, and the role got quite a bit more popular as a result. WoW has the holy trinity, so there’s not much scope for increasing healer damage and that’s fine. The way in which WoW should help healers to influence the outcome of games is by giving them more CC. I expect that not every DPS player would be happy, and lots of balancing would be required, but I also expect that most would forget about it if and when their shuffle queues went from 20 minutes to 10.
@Asmodeius
@Asmodeius 9 ай бұрын
they did that with holy paladin rework. it was all nice and dandy, than they started nerfing it to the ground, where holy paladins barely do any damage anymore and their manage regen is the worse of all healers. this is not to mention that in order to be good, you had to roll with heavily bloated rotation. which 70% of player base can't handle, but in hands of top 5% player base ended up being super OP, so the nerfs came in.
@alexg959
@alexg959 9 ай бұрын
The point of this system should be: getting rewarded for progression and successfully playing harder content. If you go 3-3 as a healer and get rating for that and thus move up to a higher rated lobby and then go 3-3 again, sure you could argue you tied the other healer, but you did so in a harder lobby. That is progress and less demoralizing and will make healers want to queue at least slightly more. Speaking for myself here.
@PwndersWoW
@PwndersWoW 9 ай бұрын
Good video!' Exactly what I mean too
@Qwerts
@Qwerts 9 ай бұрын
Personally quit the game 2 months ago, used to heal as MW, got 2100 CR and then quit because no point trying to get 2400.
@Nazero2012
@Nazero2012 9 ай бұрын
I think they need to show respect for all forms of rated PVP rather than just 3s. SS is 3s so it should give mount and title as well
@DankMemes-xq2xm
@DankMemes-xq2xm 9 ай бұрын
Agreed. 2s, 3s, solo shuffle, and even solo shuffle RBGs and regular RBGs should all give Glad mount at 2400 and 100 wins.
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