Luke Skywalker probably exaggerated caedus abilities as he could have never gaged Darth Vader's abilities because Darth Vader never faced him with all his might

See, I believe Niman falls under these categories: 1 The scholar) The type of person the form was geared for. This practitioner uses the form so they're good enough not to die insantly since lightsaber combat isn't their first priority. Example: Darth Plagueis. 2 The individual) Whoever uses the form in this manor applies the form to create their own style based on their unique preferences. Example: Kao Cen Darach 3 The tactician) Jack of all trades fighters who adapt to the circumstances and change their style accordingly. Example: Darth Krayt

Episode 7 should've been about Caedus, not Kylo Ren, who agrees with me?

Vader: Your thoughts betray you Jacen. The Force is strong with you. But you are not a true Sith yet.

dude jacen became the most badass dark lord of the sith ever, the flow walking alone made him invincible, the only reason he lost to jaina is because he stopped fighting her when he was desperately trying to save his daughter and her mother, he wasn't beaten, he sacrificed himself to his sister to save his daughter while trying really hard to not kill his sister who was trying desperately to kill him.

Not agreeing with your analogy, Jacen Solo being "yeah you're okay" in lightsaber dueling. He held his own against Grandmaster Luke, who was leagues better than ROTJ Luke. He was at a stalemate until Ben Skywalker stabbed him in the back with a vibroblade. Furthermore he almost killed Jaina even with a severed arm, due to Luke creating an illusion. Force powers far superior. Force lightning, communicating with the World Mind/animals, seeing into the future, etc... He was a powerhouse, who, like Anakin, was conflicted and didn't fully embrace the darkside, as his love for his family, and lack of certainty in his actions clouded his mind.

You all are nerds. "Sniff" I'm home

I respectfully disagree with your judgment of Caedus' combat abilities. One of the most common problems is people underestimating his skill, and the fact is that Caedus was not a jack of all trades, master of none, but in fact a much more dangerous and deadly opponent than most people credit him as. My own analysis of Caedus' lightsaber skills actually suggests something more like Vader's own style. A mixture of the power strikes associated with Form V with a working and applied knowledge of other forms of combat, making him a dangerous opponent. This mixed with his knowledge of the Force gives him an edge. Then you forgot one of the most important factors of his battle with Jaina, Caedus was distracted during that fight. Yes, he fought as hard as he could, but the entire battle was something that he had no time to prepare for, and on top of that he at the time was trying to warn Tenel Ka about the nanokiller, which kept him from fighting at his full strength because of the distraction. In a straight, one on one fight, with no distractions, Caedus is a powerhouse duelist who could have won. Finally you didn't account for one major factor, knowledge of the opponent. Caedus would have been familiar with not only Vader's combat style, but also his shortcomings, and weaknesses that Caedus would've been willing to exploit like he did against Mara Jade. All and all, its not a bad video, but you sold Caedus too short.

Such a shame the EU was deemed non canon it’s so much better than Episode 7 and Caedus is a much better character than Ren.

Actually, Vader had his own variant of Force Lightning. He could use the Force to manipulate the atmosphere and cause lightning storms to happen naturally

Battle of the tacticians Admiral Thrawn vs Admiral Ackbar

Its finally here!!! To see of Versus Series Season 4, we're pitting the two big badies of the Skywalker line against each other! Thank You all for a great Season, your guys's love and support is truly what continues to inspire me.

This thought recently came into my head; Luke puts Darth Caedus' Force strength above Vader, but which version of Vader did Luke observe? In Episode 5, Vader was just screwing around. In Episode 6, Vader is conflicted and thus wouldn't bring his full capabilities in any aspect, noticeably he could've sliced Luke in half based on what I saw in the film but instead aimed for the platform Luke stood on to prolong the encounter. Thus I'm probably of unpopular opinion that I'm opening the possibility Luke's assessment of both Sith Lords' power in the Force to be inaccurate as he's effectively reading bad data; Vader might actually be stronger than Caedus in the Force for all I know. If not at least I'm inclined to agree with Evan's assessment of the information given.

While I would ultimately give victory to Caedus (his superiority in Force abbilities is unquestionable) I'm glad that you decided to dispel the myth of Caedus supposed martial might. He's highly skilled and can contend with the best duelists of his era but ONLY contend. Without his Force abbilities he can run into trouble very quickly.

I can't get over jack of all trades, grossly overspecialized, and Katarn and Jaina being "more balanced" in the same description of Caedus.

Unfortunately, when everyone is "one of the most powerful force wielders of his era", the statement begins to lose a lot of weight....

lol legacy of the force novel series describes Caedus on par with grandmaster Luke as both a force user and a swordsman. Taking Caedus as strong as he is by the end of LotF series, Caedus would stomp Vader. Literally no contest, he could probably win the fight with his force abilities alone. The LotF writers truly got out of hand with the abilities they gave him.

Interesting assessment of the combatants. Where I am a total Vader fanboy, I always enjoy hearing how suffisticated and powerful he really was, when compared to the impairments and what not. And, like most versus fights on youtube, the EU characters that I'm not familiar with, I do like learning about new and intereting characters like Caedus. But throughout the Versus, it was slightly becoming clear that Vader was going to have an edge over Caedus.

I really love this distinction between "Diplomat's Niman" and "Battlemaster's Niman". Very clever, very succinct, and so very, very true.

I recognize "Once Upon a December" in Caedus' intro. That was used in some Darth Wyyrlok III videos, last I recall. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! There was never a doubt in mind as to who would win this fight! When the Imperial March played, I gave an evil, maniacal laugh like this one! Meanwhile, looking forward to Season 5. By the looks of it, we'll be getting more from Obi-Wan than just a "Hello there." LOL

It seems Lord Vader was simply too much for his grandson to handle. I expected as much. Yoda and Kun would've been overwhelmed by him eventually in my opinion but it seems Vader just had the right set of tools for the job. A hard won victory but a strong victory none the less.

Caedus would crush Vader. There's no debate here ^^

Obi-wan vs Darth zhanna. Two soresu practitioners

I knew Darth Vader would win, and I knew you would give him the physical edge, but on his duelling edge, like I said in your Malak Vs. Vader vid, I am not so sure. Force abilities, I can understand where you're coming from on that, and for armament, I thought you would give the edge to Vader, but when the verdict for that section approached, I thought "who's he gonna give this one to?". The tune that played between your finalization of Caedus' inventory and your edge declaration actually scared and frightened me because of my uncertainty, and I do think that I can react strangely in response to musical trauma, as strange as that may be. But you are not to blame, as I was the one who watched this (well made!) video. This was a great video and an awesome way to finish of your fourth season.

Finally, a duel worthy of my time

Caedus should get the physical edge. The very same thing that grants Vader his protection and chemicals boosting him, his suit, is also the cause of his weakness: less agility, mobility, flexibility, not to mention his life support systems, which if fried via force lightning, effectively means a gradual death sentence for him. Just because Vader's style is partially designed to defend his weak spots, that doesn't eliminate them as potential weaknesses. Caedus on the other hand only has advantages. He's still incredibly fast, agile, and flexible, yet his ability to virtually ignore pain has no such disadvantages like Vader's suit. 8:10-8:20, what? Whom has Vader fought whom has superior speed than Caedus? Caedus surprised Grandmaster Luke with his speed in their duel... that's Luke in his prime. And you showed a picture or two of Vader's fight with Anya Kuro here as an example of the quick opponents Vader's faced. However, he only defeated her by trapping her under a tree. He didn't outright defeat her via lightsaber combat. While I still agree that Vader's handled opponents whom were quicker and more agile than he was, he definitely struggled against them. And that should factor into things, considering how crazy fast Caedus could be when he wanted to be. 24:50-25:01, true, he wasn't able to defeat them through pure lightsaber combat, but then again, neither Mara Jade nor Jaina Solo were able to defeat *him* through pure lightsaber combat either. 25:57-26:09, more like, if he's at a severe set-back against his opponent (which is the only reason he lost to Jaina, and partially the reason Mara Jade was almost able to kill him)... While I can somewhat agree to Vader getting the edge as a duelist, their disparity is nowhere near as great as you made it seem. I think you largely underrate Caedus as a duelist. He wasn't just considered a master swordsman at some random point in his life by most of the leaders of the Jedi Order of that time, he was considered to be so specifically shortly after constructing his first lightsaber. In other words, in the mere beginning stages of being a Padawan, he was considered by the best Jedi of that time to be a master swordsman... and he only got better. Furthermore, let's compare. While Vader does have more combat experience, Jacen learned lightsaber combat (as well as the ways of the Force) at a very young and formative age, notably younger than when Anakin began learning the ways of the Jedi. And you're assessment of his dueling abilities is almost entirely assumption. Caedus pretty much only using Niman, and specializing in it to a fault is not canon, but an educated guess on your part, and part of what you used to back that up was how he lost to some of the best duelists and fighters of his time (2 of which he only lost to / was losing to because of the circumstances and other factors)? That doesn't make too much sense. He was losing to Mara Jade because she surprise attacked him, injuring his leg, then buried him under a pile of bricks and mortar with a trap, and fought him in small cave/tunnel area where her weapons, a shoto and a vibroblade, were a huge advantage to her compared to Caedus' normal-sized lightsaber for him. He only lost to his sister Jaina because he was terribly injured, and Luke was aiding Jaina by using some kind of battle meditation to bolster her abilities, and he was projecting himself onto Jaina to make it seem to Caedus as if he were somehow fighting Luke instead of Jaina. Because he feared Luke above all else, besides his vision of the dark future he was trying to prevent, this obviously affected the fight too. The only other two of note are Luke and Kyle, and his fight with Luke isn't needed to be gone over very much; all that's needed to be said is what I've already said about it. With his fight with Katarn, yes, Katarn is probably the superior all-around duelist, but to be fair, he's the frickin' Jedi battlemaster of the New Jedi Order, and arguably among the top 5 duelists of that particular time. The fact that Caedus faced both Luke and Kyle and held his own is impressive, and speaks to his abilities. 28:14-28:19, yes, and Caedus moved almost too fast for Luke to notice. That's a fair bit faster than the human eye can see, to say the least. 30:50-30:56, wrong. Force deflection and Tutaminis are not the same thing. The closest thing to deflection one can do with Tutaminis is absorbing the energy, then redirecting it (or even putting some of one's own power and energy into it before redirecting it). With deflection, there's no absorbing, and it's far tougher to redirect it at a specific target. Usually it just 'deflects' something or things away from oneself. Anyway, point is it's debatable whether Vader can actually use Tutaminis, what with his artificial limbs. And before you think of The Empire Strikes Back where Han shoots at Vader... if you watch closely, Vader does not absorb or dissipate those blaster bolts. They explode... as if Vader put up a small barrier/shield with the Force. This is an act of force deflection, not Tutaminis. Regarding Vader's "defenses" against force lightning... his insulation within his suit wouldn't do shit. The conclusion in the fight between Starkiller and Vader in The Force Unleashed II was bullshit. There's no way Vader would've been able to withstand that level of force lightning. The electronet (not related to The Force Unleashed), or whatever it was called was understandably and reasonably not strong enough to really do anything to Vader, but the likes of Starkiller's boosted force lightning? No, that's bogus. They were fun games, but you can't take The Force Unleashed games seriously as it pertains to the abilities of Star Wars characters. The game's very creators even said something to the effect of: they wanted to make a Star Wars game where the Force powers were on steroids. In other words, things were exaggerated. Vader's ability to use his lightsaber against force lightning is perhaps his most viable defense, however it's not an absolute perfect defense against force lightning. If any of Caedus' force lightning were to strike Vader, it'd basically be over... not immediately of course, but Vader would be hindered, and gradually get worse and worse until he was helpless against Caedus. And about Sidious being such a great force lightning user... he was, and Caedus, while probably not quite as proficient, was easily proficient enough to where his force lightning would overload Vader's life-support systems. Here's my counter-verdict: Vader lost against Luke in Return of the Jedi, while Caedus managed to not be defeated by Luke in his prime. There are factors to take into consideration however, like: Vader (somewhat Anakin at this point) was probably holding back in his final fight against Luke in the second deathstar; Luke defeated Vader through use of force rage; in the fight between Luke and Caedus, Luke was clearly superior (however Caedus did manage to almost cut Luke's arm off during their fight through a remarkable display of speed that surprised even Luke). As I said, these factors need to be considered, however there's a huge difference between Ep. 6 Luke and GM Luke. To me at least, the mere fact that Caedus wasn't defeated outright by GM Luke indicates he's superior to Vader. I agree that Vader is the better technical duelist between Caedus and him, however I still think Caedus would win. His masterful proficiency with force augmentation, especially his use of it to ignore pain and move at speeds which surprised even Grandmaster Luke, plus his ability with shatterpoints I think places him above Vader. Vader's never faced an opponent like Caedus, yet Caedus has faced numerous opponents around *and above* Vader's level... some of whom he faced with a severe set-back. Caedus is reasonably the most likely victor.

This is really good stuff. Really well executed. Good production quality. Well worded. And a very exciting battle. If there is one thing I could say, it is that I wanna see Yoda vs Caedus and Exar Kun vs Caedus, as well. ;) And while I agree with a lot of people in the comments about how powerful Caedus is, I feel they are, at the same time, underestimating Vadar: he didn't get the title of biggest jedi killer of all time in a raffle.

I gotta be honest, it´s ridiculous how much you downplayed Caedus. He kept up with a Luke in a straight lightsaber duel that was multiple times as strong as the Luke Skywalker who DEFEATED Vader. They were so fast that trained jedi couldnt see Caedus and Luke during their duel. Also, you missed a lot of force feats from Caedus such as: -Absorbing a turbo-laser -Influencing the whole galactic council -Influencing a MASSIVE crowd to split up so he can walk through them -Tricking whole FLEETS with strong illusions -Turning his pain into a source of strength

All I can way is wow to how vastly you underplayed Caedus'. You seemed to brush aside vaders weaknesses but capitalized on Caedus'. And since when has Katarn ever been on par with Caedus? That duel was not inconclusive either. Kyle got beat and he had numbers on his side. Caedus was even still weak from a past fight. Mara even had the advantage of surprise and Caedus still won. Diplomat niman user? That is a horrible underestimation. If not in the same leagues of krayt and kun, Caedus should be right beneath them. He stepped toe to toe with luke, beat mara jade, and kyle katarn. Two of these fights with the cards stacked against him and he lost the fight to luke due to ben skywalkers interference, but he did have thr initial advantage. And the fight with Jaina she was being aided by Luke and instead of fighting he took the chance to warn tenel ka. You acted like these victories were in his favor but it was the complete opposite. He had everything going against him. This is like Hoth vs Bane all over again. I'm not saying Caedus should have won but at least 5-6/10 he would. Give him his credit.

One year later.... Caedus murks Vader, 11/10. Caedus is simply better in everything, really. Especially in duelling.

From what i read, when Jason disappeared for 5 years he learned things that no other jedi or sith learned leading me to believe Vader would be toast; and Jaina would not even be close, but that is the problem when writers don't follow common sense. By the way I thought turning Jason dark was a dumb idea, he should have been the greatest jedi ever. IMO.

I love Vader. I like him much more than Caedus; but I call bullshit on the outcome. Caedus is leaps and bounds stronger in the force and as a lightsaber duelist. You give Vader waaaaay too much credit

Nice to finally see Vader get his due! So much has been made of Vader's force limitations in recent years that people forget what a menacing villain he truly was! Although he may never have reached his original force potential, this still left him more skilled and more powerful in the force than all but a few other force users. If any run of the mill Darksider with force lightning could stomp Vader, than any number of Imperial, Darkside minions could have replaced him as The Emperor's apprentice. But they didn't, because they couldn't. Vader would have crushed any one of them like an insect with his superior lightsaber skills, superior defensive abilities, superior strength, superior tactics and superior connection to the force. DARTH VADER IS THE TRUE DARKLORD OF THE SITH.

Brilliant just brilliant Evannova95. I must say this fights final verdict blew me out of the water. Hearing Luke statement about Caedus's abilities's made me seriously overestimate him, I was so sure that this fight wasn't a fair one and that Yoda would have been a better choice. Once again because of your superior research I stand corrected. It was an absolute joy to see Caedus as I rarely see him in verses videos. I honestly can't thank you enough for having him on Season 4. You are unparalleled in these videos Evannova95 and thank you for doing what you do because I know it takes a lot of time and research. You would even surpass yoda in terms of knowledge. :) Here are some future verses suggestions: Mace Windu vs Count Dooku Darth Sideous vs Darth Krayt Lucien Draay vs Kit Fisto (The battle of the Shi Cho masters) Exar Kun vs Mace Windu Count Dooku vs Obi Wan Kenobi (Makashi vs Soresu) Count Dooku vs Darth Maul Darth Maul Vs Mara Jade Jaina Solo vs Mara Jade Thanks again for Season 4 Evannova95. :)

I have learnt more about StarWars from you, than any game, movie, or (Comic) book. Thank you for all of the aw-inspiring facts.

Aren't you forgetting that Darth Plagueis mentioned to his apprentice that physical damage, & limitations while having the potential to handicap a force wielder didn't inherently damage the force wielder's connection to the force. Darth Plagueis mentioned something about it ultimately resting on the force wielder's state of mind, & Vader wasn't just physically broken, he was also mentally broken by all he had lost (also his inability to get over the loss of Padme).

Again, another video when I strongly disagree with your verdict. Darth Caedus should win this, but not easily. Physical ability: Vader > Caedus - Good observation. Both might have similar pain tolerance, but Vader's suit gives him the edge in regards to sheer strength. - But you have to acknowledge that Caedus can fight even with a hole in his chest, while Vader cannot. So this does not necessarily mean that Vader can fight on with blows that would have finished Caedus. Martial Artist/Lightsaber Duelists: Equal, but Caedus has the advantage in speed - Vader's duelling analysis is crisp and accurate. - Caedus' duel with Katarn wasn't inconclusive. Caedus destroyed Katarn alongside his team. - When Jacen duelled Mara, Mara had the advantage of surprising Jacen. Mara had the environment advantage and it was Jacen's ability to adapt that enabled him to survive Mara's onslaught. It is due to the inconsistencies, but as Caedus he outclasses Mara as a duelist. - What the hell? Katarn outclass Caedus as swordsman? There was no instance when Katarn had the upper hand against Caedus in that duel, and Katarn had the advantage of numbers. Caedus himself wasn't even fighting at full strength, having been injured from his previous duel with Luke. If Caedus is at full strength, he will walk over Katarn. - Since when was Jaina the superior duelist? Caedus grossly outclasses her. You forgot to mention that Caedus wasn't even interested in fighting Jaina, and his objective was protecting his daughter. Jaina also surprised him with, if im not mistaken, a stab to the chest. So Caedus wasn't even fighting at his full strength. In addition, Jaina was aided by Luke in the force. - Caedus wasn't even trying to kill Jaina. He just wants to complete his objective. And even then, Caedus had the option to take Jaina down with her, but didn't want to. So If Caedus really tried, he would walk all over her. - Caedus dosen't play cheap as you said. All your examples show that Caedus is extremely skilled in using his surroundings to his advantage, and nothing more than that. - You placed hardly mention on his duel with Luke, when Caedus impressively fought against a bloodlusted Luke Skywalker into a stalemate, and only lost when Ben interfered with a stab from the vibroblade. This feat alone speaks into grandmaster levels with his ability with the blade. - But I am convinced that at the VERY most, Vader and Caedus are approximate equals with the blade, but Caedus is superior in terms of speed. Force abilities: Caedus >> Vader - Very thorough analysis, but I believe that a bigger edge should be given to Caedus. - If Caedus can project illusions to defeat Mara, he sure as hell can do the same to Vader, probably to great effect. - Shatterpoints is used to find fatal weaknesses in his opponent's techniques, so it will play a role here in this contest. - So that being said, Jacen's esoteric force powers will still be too much for Vader to handle. Verdict: Darth Caedus beats Vader 6-7/10 times, due to his superior variety in force powers and raw speed in lightsaber combat. A more balanced matchup, one that I said probably over a thousand times, is Yoda vs Caedus. This matchup in my opinion is more even and can go either way.

Could you do Darth bane vs Darth Revan (also first view)

Good verdict :) Felt a little like you were playing to the Caedus fans in places but by the end it really made the video. Bouncing back and forward, focusing on the points that those biased to each party would focus on and addressing them. Well done :)

Definitely one of, if not the best, analyses you've done to date friend. I loved it. (Though the "Battlemaster's Niman" was mine! ;) )

I honestly feel that Jacens experience against the Vong gives him some extra combat prospective that Vader might not have

A lot of well stated points, much respect on the research and video visuals. The part where I broke off was at your end assessment where you said he was a one trick pony and that he didn't have enough shock value. I would argue that the weapon diversity added to the shock value and made him the opposite of a one trick pony. That being said I see your logic in regards to his opponent (ie. having essentially a mech suit). Also I know you are dealing with darksiders so your narration voice should reflect that however sometimes its just a bit too much. (Loads better than your story of Grevious video). A lighter inflection or personality would help hold my attention considering these versus series are getting longer and longer. Some constructive criticism. Just my two cents. Overall a great video and keep up the good work.

Evan, great job and I loved the niman idea diplomate and battlemaster. But for me there is one more based on your assement of Caedous. The shock and awe varient where people like Caedous and more notable Exar Kun really on surprise and unotrthodox tatics to get the job done. Also sujestions for season 5, season 4 was great i loved in except for dooku vs qui gon jinn. Which i believe shouldnt of been done. Since its not surprising or a close match up. But moving on; Obi-Wan vs Corran Horn. Kyle Katarn vs Windu or Revan. Luke vs Yoda. Exar Kun vs Kyp durron or Jaina solo Jaina solo vs satele shan. Darth Caedous vs Revan Plo Koon vs Anakin.

We got so many Jacen fanboys who have no objectivity anyway, and can't apply any creative thinking or unbiased views, that it drowns out the people here who are making legitimate arguments in his favor and aren't biased. That out of the way. I believe if you look at this situation objectively and unbiased, Jacen objectively stands no chance against Vader, who is far more powerful, more accomplished in terms of superior feats, and the greatest Lightsaber duelist ever. He has been stated as being either the most powerful force user, or second most depending on if you believe Palpatine is the first of second. Jacen can't even come close. But that's not an insult to Jacen, as very few characters could stand a chance against Vader. Good analysis and a great video!

Very great versus video as always.

I think maybe it is overlooked that Caedus often adapted his own tactics to combat his opponents and also as far as his final fight with his sister, for her to defeat him it was only possible after a grievous wound and having his attention split between combating Lukes attempts at altering his perceptions through the force and Caedus trying to warn his wife of the danger she and their daughter were in all on top of the physical and force combat going on between him and Jaina. I would think this would count as a display of how he could adapt to and counter the tactics of someone like Vader who depends on his aggression and his ability to over power his opponents. This is, of course, assuming that they are both unhindered and fresh at the beginning of their match.

Good lord this video is a year old and I'm still rewatching this and re-examining a lot of things. At 49:28, you said that "Jaina Solo Fel and Kyle Katarn have a better chance of defeating Darth Vader." While I do agree with this statement, I don't think either of them could win (they can contend very well and have a solid chance at winning, but not likely). I never really got the idea that Jaina compliments her swordsmanship with force abilities she is more like "I'm going to force push you into oblivion" kind of feel and is rather blunt. In terms of raw power, Jaina Solo Fel is either equal or is a hair behind Vader (I take Caedus being stronger than Vader with a grain of salt and she is equal , her lightning is unreliable (only uses it when under intense emotional strain), and Vader is way better in terms of application of TK. Her shatter point skill is about effective as Caedus would in the video above. As for Kyle, in terms of strength in the force, time for ABC logic (I hate using it, but I feel its fine for this specific case). You said Kyle is basically equal in every way to Dooku as a force wielder in your Dooku vs Katarn video, and you considered Vader to be the superior force wielder than Dooku in your Darth Maul (TCW) vs Dooku vs Vader video. So yeah, Vader is superior force wielder over Kyle Katarn. As far as skill with the blade goes, both are superior to Caedus and equal or near equal Vader but I think that their styles are way to consistent, and Vader's tactics of pattern recognition could be very useful against him making them equals or he has the edge as a swordsman. Great video, still love it after a year, but I after taking a look again at some your statements, I wanted to analyze them and give my own thoughts about it.

nice video bro. I like the track that plays at 3:47, what is it called bro?

Caedus obliterates. Vader can't compete with Luke. Caedus is Luke's match.

Here's an idea: Pong Krell vs Savage Oppress, two double-bladed lightsaber users from TCW.

Evan, enjoyed your video as always.Excellent preparation & delivery.I don't always agree with your conclusions, but they're always done very well.I do, however , agree with this one, although I do see that it could go the other way.Thank-you very much fore you're videos, Dante.

A fitting end to a brilliant season! Darth Caedus sounds kind of like a poor mans Exar Kun to me. I would like to suggest The Inquisitor from rebels vs Ahsoka Tano, though if there is not enough information on The Inquisitor, then I suggest Dark Jedi Bariss Offe vs Darth Talon.

Galen Marek vs Mace Windu

i'm not even that huge of a star wars nerd (not an offencive term in my books! hope it's mutual), i do very much love these versus series of yours. nicely researched, well argumented and overal very relaxing and informative to listen to, it's a joy to see another one of these pop up in my inbox. here's to season 5, and i hope Meetra Surik get's her episode one day, cause by god i need that! also, i just have to say, your voice is a charm to listen to, relaxing, calming, amazing. i could listen to it all day long. keep up the amazing work dude, i'll be here listening!

Meaning that being in the Skywalker bloodline is a gift.

Darth Vader was a extremely experienced trained force user combatant . Not many Sith or Jedi could survive a fight against him.

This is bullshit how does Vader win? Jacen did things Vader has never done. Darth Caedus losing to Jaina was bs in itself. But Vader? He lost to a young Luke. Caedus wins this with ease. Jacen feats are much better.

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the dual light saber was kind of old fashioned and more about intimidation and confusion then practicality, darth bane stated that it was more limited as even though you had 2 lightsabers you were still only contacting one blade at a time and limiting movements. makes sense lol

i absolutely loved your descriptions of vader throughout this whole video

good god, fifty minutes!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Look at Grievous, he is super nimble and strong. If Vaders augmentations were the result of rushing, why not later on replace his parts with upgraded tech? Tech should be even further along than it was in grievous's time, that doesn't make sense....

Could you please add the soundtracks to the credits or the description box? I'm loving the musics you use almost as much as your content.

Wow! Great analysis! Although I do have a few minor queries, all in all I agree! You went very in depth and I applaud your knowledge! My problems are only very minor and won't change things too dramatically, if at all, so I will not bother to voice them here, but I have some none the less. Just know that your earned yourself a subscriber today!

Vader wins?Darth Caedus is said to be at Sidious level

Starkiller vs Meetra Surik also Savage Oppress vs Darth Zannah?

This was an amazing finale and everything I expected and more. You truly are the master of the vs and I have a request Cao-Sen-Duratch vs Kyel Catarn

53 minutes *:o* What a treat!

Annakin vs Revan. Not when they were Siths.

How about Kyle Katarn vs Darth Malgus

EvanNova95 Hey man, I've been watching your videos quite a lot lately and I must say I really like your in depth analysis of the star wars galaxy along with its own characters! I hope you continue your awesome Vs' series as I do enjoy your own comments and arguments on the topics! Keep up the good work, man! :)

Vader vs Caedus would look like a combination of both of Starkillers fights with Vader in TFU 1 and 2. Any lightsaber engagement would look like TFU2, with Vader not giving an inch to Caedus, so Caedus would utilize the Force for surprise attacks like in TFU 1. Basically they engage in a duel, Caedus changes the rules of the engagement with the Force, Vader endures, they duel some more. This will go on and on and on until Caedus is backed into a corner, forced to duel Vader head on. At this point, Vader will have gauged Caedus’s techniques and adapted accordingly, albeit without his mask or missing an arm. Caedus will eventually fall, and Darth Vader walks with new scars and an immediate trip to the medbay.

Vader let Luke win cause that was his son. and the emperor wanted him . if wanted to kill Luke he could have easily done it . so let's give Vader some credit after Vader lost to obe wan Vader perfected his craft over the years he has to many styles he is to versatile he knows to many styles and he is a defensive master

Very well thought out. I'm going to throw some flame proof clothes your way, because your going to need it. Lots of huge Caedus fan boys out there. I feared you were one of them, but you thought everything out. Great video.

This one was my favorite video from back in the day

What an exciting battle. So close. Thanks for the video man. Can't wait for more.

This video is poor. Your research is shoddy and based on a love of one character over another. To put it simply and logically: Vader vs Caedus is physical vs force, Caedus undeniably has more force potential than Vader and the Dark side can allow you to tap into it more readily though emotions. Why is it undeniable? Han Solo is force sensitive in the Expanded Universe and so is Leia and force potential is based on familial blood rather than parental phenotype so their children could've been nulls in the force or above Anakin Skywalker's level (it is unknown if Padme was force sensitive but for your sake I will go with no thus the extra juice the Solo blood provided is the only difference between the two which is still a formidable difference once you take into account Vader's less than stellar limb status). The fight would be a brutal one as it would literally be up to the first one to make a mistake ( Vader exposing a shatter point in his armor or, worse, cybernetics or Caedus straying to close and getting whacked like a overripe tomato ) and not the roflstomp you incorrectly claim as Vader could just as easily enrage Caedus sufficiently to tap into a higher level of force ability and shock the every loving shit out of Vader with force lightning targeting shatter points as Vader wouldn't be able to catch an equal caliber force sensitive using augmented speed let alone one slightly above him. Now I will also shoot apart one of you claims: Darth Caedus if he sees sufficient need for it could become one with the force again because of the reason why he became a sith in the first place and namely to protect the galaxy *regardless of any price paid*. And finally: If you're gonna quote a damn saying quote it fully "Jack of all trades, master of none, *but ofttimes better than master of one* ." . You've tried to make a force user that is specialized in lightsaber abilities and who's force abilities are nulled if they face a equally trained, equally potent force user seem like a default winner but the truth of the matter is the fight would be down to the first guy to make a mistake... and they're both fallen jedi (so not too stable on the rage front)... so it would be utterly random.

I like your video a lot, though i feel like you underestimated Caedus. For me it kinda seemed as if you made a decision ahead of time, and then "played" the facts to Vaders side. Just my opinion though, still great video!:))

Thanks for the insight on Caedus cuz I always wondered what Lightsaber forms he used. As Luke said, he coulda beat down Caedus easily if he wanted too so this verdit is slightly surprising tho I feel Legacy Of the Force Luke would beat down Vader rather easily

I'd like to see Galen Marek versus Quinlan Vos!

You totally down played Darth Caedus and his abilities. By the time Luke was grandmaster he was far beyond Vader. Caedus was on Luke's level when they fought and I think he'd take Vader.

I think Vader was extremely conflicted as somewhat stated by George Lucas, and that's why Luke won

I'm so glad he recognizes that Vader is not slow, as some people seem to think.

man 53 minutes!! you left no stone unturned in this one man!

I don't know how I feel about this. I'm glad that Vader won, but (and this has nothing to do with the combatants) I don't like how you play down the importance of force abilities when compared to lightsaber skills and martial arts. In my opinion, force abilities are ALWAYS more important than martial arts. In conclusion, Lightsaber Skills/Martial Arts: Child's Play - Force Abilities: Perfect All Around Weapon. In my opinion.

Nova u just love Vader

0:15 - Ah see what you did there in terms of the background music when going over Darth Vader's brief synopsis...clever guy! For those who don't get it he used Sky Fall By Adele in a video about a SKYwalker who had FELLED to the dark sided.

That was bloody sweet nice work and thank you for doing these. I can't speak for everyone but i really do appreciate all the stuff you guys do for these VERSUS SERIES VIDEOS and here is my suggestion :D respect dude. Leia Solo vs Darth Maul :D

Verdict: Lord Vader bitch slaps his punk of a grandson :)

Cadeus beat Kyle Katern Katern barely srurvived

The Story of the Yuuzhan Vong War.

Evan I would be really interested to hear your opinion on Star Wars rebels I know jensurii hates it do you too or are you going to use some characters like the inquisitor or kaden in future videos I really want to get your opinion

Ya know, if force power is based off your living tissue... The best force users in the universe would be Hutts.

This comparison is absurd. Jacen Solo is the most powerful Jedi in the EU up until his death. He's done feats that neither Luke Skywalker or Palpatine have done. The only real weakness Jacen had is the that the writers decided to throw every bit of character progression he had throughout his arc and randomly decide to make him evil for the most contrived of reasons. It's also laughable that they decided Jaina would be the one to beat him, when she has never been the swordsman or force user her brother has, opting instead to develop her skills as a master pilot and mechanical engineer.

I know this video is 3 years old, and I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as you, Evan. But I agree with the others. You really underplayed Caedus. This guy basically gave Tenel Ka's grandmother a Force Stroke. If that feat isn't impressive enough..... Well, I can't wait to see if you changed your mind on Caedus or not in your new match-ups anyway.

Do Vitiate vs darth Vader

Even a year later I still disagree with your points. Caedus was a good enough duelist to survive duels with Luke Skywalker, Mara Jade Skywalker, Jaina Solo and Kyle Katarn. Luke and Kyle are both superior to Vader in terms of swordsmenship by my assessment, and Mara and Jaina were both notable Swordswomen, in Mara`s case with insane amounts of combative experience. I think you several underestimate Jacen in terms of his lightsaber skills. He might not be one of the greats, but he was certainly good enough to keep up with them long enough to bring his force powers to bare, something that is clearly shown in his fight with Kyle. While he was outmatched in terms of lightsaber duelling, he managed to keep up long enough to find a way around the BATTLEMASTER! Looking at some of his other feats as a swordsman he was able to take on Juuzhan Vong, not a mean feat in itself, pointing to a high amount of skill considering how easily other Jedi fell to those. Jacen also had several force abilities that would certainly take Vader out of the fight, among other things force illusions, that conjured up the fears of an individual (similiar to Darth Zannah). This would have a destructive effect on Vader`s already weak mental state. Also, Jacen studied Vader like a maniac (I call that Kylo Renning now), even going so far as to flow walk to see him live in action, and probably knew all about his fighting style and abilities, meaning he would know how to cope with them (guessing by Jacen`s approach to everything he would study, learn, and overcome the problem). Jacen also had the ability to influence electrical devices (using his force ability to screw around with monitors and vital readings and stuff) and I wouldn`t put it past him to be able to influence Vader`s suit. Not to mention the fact that force lighting still, no matter how strong or weak, posed a challange to Vader, and if struck, would cause his suit to malfunction or plainly give out. Yes, he can defend against it, but looking at the way Caedus usually fights, he would sneak it in somewhere, hitting Vader, either disabling or hindering him, and the deathblow would follow shortly. Overall, I think you got the logic wrong in your verdict. Vader isn`t good enough to overcome Caedus, Caedus is good enough to overcome Vader.

As much as I like Vader, Caedus win.

Thanks for a great season of vids! Really enjoyed this conclusion. Impressive, most impressive. :)

For the next season, i would recommend to see Jaina solo, plo koon, shaak ti, anakin as a jedi knight, Mara Jade or yoda vs galen marek. Maybe one of them interests you, other than that, I love your channel! It's awesome! Keep up the great work!