+Travis Stefanski Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough... well, I'm sure he would have; he was a little to angry at me for chopping his limbs off and leaving him to die in a lava pit to really articulate it, but still.

Jamie Stearns what the bloody hell is going on here

Travis Stefanski HE FUCKING WHAT⁉😱..... INTHE NAME OF

there was 10

You make really good videos of these fights on who would win between two characters. You really go in depth with it. Really good video :)

Actually Obi Wan was not weak whatsoever. He had Tutaminis and a Force Repulse on level with Anakin. He let the Force use him, he didn't use the Force. He used it with sincere Reverence and wouldn't use it unless it was guaranteed right then and there he's gonna die. Even then he wasn't completely sure if the Force would appreciate that. In fact, he was so powerful he could Push General Grieveous like a ragdoll.

Indeed

Anakin Skywalker Though in that confrontation, Anakin started overpowering Obi-wan's Force push, it was only because Obi-wan trained hard whereas Anakin didn't do as much compared to his former master; it was only because he inherited the power of the force as he was born from it. I agree with you in how powerful Obi-wan is, in fact, this a very good showing of Obi-wan's strength in the force.

Anakin Skywalker Though in that confrontation, Anakin started overpowering Obi-wan's Force push, it was only because Obi-wan trained hard whereas Anakin didn't do as much compared to his former master; it was only because he inherited the power of the force as he was born from it. I agree with you in how powerful Obi-wan is, in fact, this a very good showing of Obi-wan's strength in the force.

Count Dooku*

2L8 4 US &Hendo Wut, how did you get "Count Spiky" from that?

You're welcome man, well done on this, you really did a good job.

"Basically." He's Not invincible. And hey just my opinion.

***** Also, Vader was an extremely angry fighter.(You would know that if you knew anything about Vader.)

If you know 15 times more about vader than I do then answer this question. Why couldn't Vader Reach his full force potential when he was on the light and the dark side? BTW Because he didn't practice isn't an answer.

BTW he had the most hate for slavers ( I don't know the speciesthey are called.) That took his mother. Also, Sidious calls him a tool at the end of the Force unleashed 1 (The dark side ending.)

Obi Wan was weak in force compared to other force users and Darth Vader use form 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 sorry I like obi but he was no match for Vader

+Rico Chico Malico I find it odd that you consider a reckless rage amped young Darth Vader emotionally hampered, but you consider a reckless rage amped Luke skywalker as a gain in strength... Also, the time span between a New Hope and Return of the Jedi isn't particularly great. Darth Vader may have learned slightly more over that time, but it's going to be nothing compared to how much he improved over the course of the Jedi Purge, and the years following the rise of the empire. So saying that Vader in ROTJ is in his prime is true, but it's not a significant improvement over New Hope Vader either. You are also underplaying grievous' abilities, this is a person who in the clone wars single handedly engaged 5 experienced Jedi at once, and HAD THE UPPER HAND. He may be only as strong as Vader But he also was capable of wielding 4 light-sabers at once and was far more agile than Vader while possessing similar strength, and possessed the tactical mind of someone who was able to kill Jedi even as a non-force sensitive. (you want a really scary thought... Imagine grievous born sensitive to the force...) And then we go back to Old Ben Kenobi. Yes, I will admit he is not the physical match of Darth. BUT. He was able to parry vaders strong blows with force augmentation. While you claim that his affinity to the force was stronger at an old age. He spent most of that time in meditation and growing more in wisdom. So Yes, while his affinity to the force may be more attuned, his sheer power in the force is not going to be increased at all. Which leads me to the assertion that Obi-Wan in his prime would have been able to augment himself in the same way, but his Body would have naturally been MUCH, much stronger, leaving him a physical match for Vader in strength. And do I need to mention that Obi also defeated Maul and Opress at the same time....

+Rico Chico Malico I'm not saying it wouldn't be a close fight. I'd just give the edge to Kenobi. I think that Vader wouldn't be able to slip past Obi Wan's guard, that eventually he would slip up, and that Obi Wan would exploit it. It would still certainly be a very hard fought battle, that would leave Obi Wan nearly broken, and Vader Dead. It would be a repeat of Mustafar, but without Obi Wan escaping unscathed. That said, I believe we will just have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the well informed discussion, and points.

+Rico Chico Malico I'm not saying it wouldn't be hard fought but you must also remember the Sith are fuled by passion which was his emotional state on mustafar you must also remember Obi Wan trained Anakin and while his style certainly changed his overall strategy was still comprised the same basic moves. Also consider Obi Wan is familiar with cybernetic enhancements plus Vader and grevious physically share a lot of the same physical strengths and weaknesses which Obi Wan is more than familiar with. The main advantage though in my opinion is Obi Wan's experience fighting the Sith. The reason I put the experience fighting the sith so high is because all sith share a few basic attributes one is traumatic events that are the source of their powers if anyone is in a position to turn this into a weakness its Obi Wan.

+Rico Chico Malico Cheapshots are parts of fights and the cybornetics is something Obi Wan has experience in and is capable of exploiting.

+Rico Chico Malico My last argument is that Obi Wan and Luke have the same emotional connection to Vader which is what proved his weakness,

Lol

How is this video a theory

Tushar Mittu Arnav Gupta because it isn't cannon :P

Mainly talking about the time where he moved ships weighing lots of tons with the force and threw force wave to uproot several large treees that are larger than the average freighter and placed them down while outside of a ship during red try and if he can ACTIVELY defend against count dooku and prime vader who are similar power to vader, I think he can actively defend against vader but passively I believe vader can break through his shield

+Darth Kenobi Because of Obi-Wan's knowledge of Shien, and his apprentice's overwhelming mastery of Djem-So, I would go so far as to say that Obi-Wan had a decent knowledge of the principles of Djem-So and used them when absolutely necessary in his Soresu elements, such as defending against power strikes. The only 2 forms that Obi-Wan can't lay claim to is Makashi, Juyo and Vaapad.

+Darth Kenobi Rico did say they are equal

+Thebigmackenzie Peters I wouldnt say he is a bad duelist, while he may not be the best he certainly is skilled to the point he was considered the master of form III by windu and was considered one of the best swordsman in the order at the fall of the republic, on top of that it is reported that he became highly skilled in if not mastered the other forms of saber combat... I think it would be interesting to see how he held up to the strength of the cyborg vader. Obi wan has been shown to be able to hold his own against much stronger opponents and I would assume it would be similar to how he held up to strength of grevious

duel not dual

@@scotts.9248 he was the best duelist for thousands of years so i would say he is the best especially in the jedi council at the time of the republic in its prime, master kenobi was considered THE best defensive fighter and could win all of his duels simply by biding his time until he has the oppurtunity to strike

Nahdar Vebb was Kit Fisto's former Padawan. The fight already happened. Fisto clearly avoided taking Grievous head on and only did so when had a second blade. I think Grievous losing a hand won't be something that would always happen if they fought.

*Inquisitor *Sedriss *Jerec *Asajj Ventress *Sora Bulq *Warb Null Can't stand typos like that.

And *Empire.

cool sounds like a promising idea by the way who is the other vs maker ?

i see well keep up the awesome versus videos

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Even in Post-ROTJ Legends Palpatine was saying Vader was just a broken version of himself in _Dark Empire_.

+Omnitool "An out of prime Kenobi"who murderstomped Darth Maul in Star Wars Rebels. LOL

dude, the fight between ben and vader wasn't much of a fight, ben knew that he's fucked after fighting vader for a minute

Well the fight lasted a little longer.

+matthew mann a little

+Rico Chico Malico yeah, I think if you was to put the 2 in a place where they had to fight to the death right then and there Vader would win. I was only thinking of a more realistic engagement where Obi could use his asset of coming up with a escape contingency that he is well known to do. Vader>Obi no doubt when it comes to stats. Obi Wan's fighting style is hard to calculate because if it's not on his terms he escapes and only uses lethal measures when they are on his terms. Hope that all makes sense from my point of view of how it would play out. I do agree Vader gets the edge.

+Rico Chico Malico Yes, Vader would win, there is no denying that. I don't think Obi-Wan would ever have the skills or opportunity to slay Vader but I also think Vader will have trouble finally killing him as Obi-Wan is very clever and evasive. I wouldn't call escaping/running away a tactic because there are countless ways to do it. That's would be like, I'm familiar with the tactic of my opponent taking my King in chess, but really there is so many ways that can happen. We haven't seen Obi-Wan escape in the same manner every time. Just because Vader stopped someone from escaping doesn't mean he can stop everyone. Old Obi-Wan did not plan to escape. Darth Vader clearly states that escape is not his plan, to Tarkin. This could also be a tactical victory for Obi-Wan as the crew escaped, he ascended, and Luke later became a powerful Jedi. It seems that Obi-wan always has different goals buried under the surface.

Rico Chico Malico Do u believe Malgus would take down Kenobi? I personally think he would. Kenobi is a better duelist than Malgus, but I think he would be overwhelmed by Malgus's force abilities.

+Hmanthe6th Because they're fun.

that didn't mean he would win. Old ben realized that he couldn't beat vader and was rapidly fatiguing

***** You should do it. I have a feeling that Darth Vader might win, but I have also looked through Zannah's skills of sorcery and I have a theory of what part it would play in a fight with Darth Vader. I think it may be a wild card. It could either work really well or really badly.

***** Looking forward to it! Just don't forget!

Rico Chico Malico Cade Skywalker vs Anakin Skywalker

+Vickie Bonnici Not the same. The first time, it was Vader before his suit and he was in a hindered state. The second time, Kenobi was an old fart.

+Rodgerinho Kenobi is an armored truck. Vader is a goddamn tank though.

Rob George Well I disagree Kenobi is an armoured truck, that's entirely my point, you obviously didn't read my comment. Secondly, Vader? As in, Anakin as a Sith, in his suit? Initially he's a geriatric old cripple encased in leather and metal. He's not impressive, he gets whupped plenty. He gets better with the suit, but if you took healthy prime Kenobi vs Vader in the suit at any time, I feel Kenobi would win. I agree with the vid, if that's what the result is. Been a while since I watched

Rodgerinho I did fully read your comment. I was just saying that what I define as a "tank" would be someone like Vader (in suit) or Malgus. Both can take insane dmg and keep on going. Kenobi is not a glass cannon though. So if using those allegories then I said that Kenobi is an armored truck. I am fine with disagreeing about this and Kenobi beating Vader.

Obi may be truck but Vader is a TANK he can survive explosions, flames, lightsaber strikes, blaster bolts, and hard vacuum of space

Obi-Wan stated himself that Anakin was a far better duelist than him. Obi-Wan had no choice other than to go on the defensive because he wouldn't have lasted log against Anakin otherwise.

I REKT your ass on the Death Star

@@Boofus90 you're a pretender

@@Boofus90 only because he let you.

+F. Tyler Peck Well also Obi Wan had not been practicing his combative applications during his exile, or he might have actually gone even further. Obi Wan in his old age surprises me especially in the one scene where after they fight to the hangar, when Vader lunges at Kenobi, it's held off by an ailing Jedi in his 60s. I gotta give props to Obi Wan's defense.

Yeah I wouldn't even put anything into his age or physical condition, because I'm more of the school of thought that strength is in the force not the flesh. That being said no way Obi Wan wins against a cautious and smart Vader so it's a moot point.

He's definitely not equal to dark Anakin and I say this because on mustafar (however you spell it) He wasn't at his full dark side power and was fighting blindly and just rushed, but dark Anakin at his full potential could just wave his hand and crush OBI wan

But in the end I believe Vader would win by outitiring the negotiator

***** He actually was a Master of the Dark Side in his own right. And we're talking about Vader, not Anakin. Vader, the guy who hunted Jedi for Decades, not Whiny Hayden Christesen. Vader has a completely different set of tools and skills than Anakin. He also has the experience of knowing what Obi Wan can do, not to mention the Drive and Hate to enhance his power.

***** Actually, I'm not a Vader Fanboy. It sounds to me like you're more of a Vader Hater ir an Obi Wan Fan.

***** Well, that's where we differ. I look at Vader on the whole in all appearances, and try to marry Legends and Movies together.

***** You're trying to throw off the the topic by insulting me. It won't work. I stand my Opinion.

"your opinion is based off emotion and feelings" .......

***** It's okay. Again, I find the verdict reasonable enough, certainly more than I can say for the Obi-Wan/Malgus match-up, which I really disagree with.

+Soggy Harmonica Why? He doesn't possess the same offensive skill Vader does.

+_Eternal Refuge In terms of defensive abilities, he blows Vader clean out of the water.

+Soggy Harmonica Um, no he doesn't? If we're talking about suit Vader, then he reformed his style to a very defensive style in oppose to his aggressive pre-suit Vader style.

Up Vaders suit style indeed does focus on the protection of his respirator, but his main lightsaber combat style was Djem So which, in short, is mix of offense and defense, Kenobi main style was Soresu, which was almost completely defensive, and he mastered this style to near perfection.

Vader had his defenses surpassed by a Luke Skywalker without his training complete... ROTS obi would annihilate his defenses... the only danger obi suffers from suit Vader is his difference in force powers...

Jonathan Gersley that is a Sith Lord.

@Wes Bradley-Taubner rewatch @20:27 Vader is even more adept at force choke than dooku was. Vader would just strangle him quickly and ragdoll his body around.

Vader is maybe smarter than Anakin, but Kenobi is one of the vicest jedi and Vader would let the feels take over and loose control. Vader was struggeling with thoughts from past and did often loose control. Its not showed in he movies but it is written. So again i would say Kenobi wins.

***** Thank you for your response! There are also other things Kenobi said in 'Empire' referring to Yoda being his master; "Was I any different when you taught me?" -- "So was I, if you remember". We can see that there's a long history with both of them that goes far beyond than just simply meditating in a small room together. Kenobi's own words allude that Yoda taught him just as he was teaching Luke, both physical and mental Force training. But obviously if we're going to accommodate the prequels, we have no choice but to interpret his words differently.

Oh why did you have to use the word "Young-lings"? Haha I think I hated that part in Ep. 3 the most. They just kept using that word over and over again like beating a dead horse, just to ease the blow that Anakin actually murdered a group of little kids. Anyways, thanks for the input, I really appreciate it. The thing with Kenobi and Yoda is far from the even bigger problems with the prequels ( C-3PO being built by Anakin for ex. ). Like I said, we have to interpret things differently in order to accommodate them. I for one just pretend they don't exist or at least take place in a multiverse far, far away.

If Dooku can choke Obi-wan then Varder can to

I agree with your statement there mate

@ Kenny that is

Kenny Hicks there is no concrete evidence saying he's as powerful as mace and he wasn't as wise as Yoda until ANH came around. His strategy would be countered by Vader's own strategy, as Vader is the more superior strategies.

Darth Vader was master of form 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 so Obi Can get REKT

+Mandalorian crusader VADER seemed in control in NEW HOPE

+artbunker It really matters what version were talking about. If we were talking about the Star Wars Rebels time period obi one would beat Vader if we're talking about the original trilogy Vader would beat obi one

I never look at the force unleashed even if it's in comic book format because it's a hyperbole when it comes to Vader and starkiller

+Mandalorian crusader OBI wan would not beat Vader especially with combat as he would most likely attack OBI wan with all of his anger and could easily use the force to his advantage with out leaving him self open to attack and would be smart and cautious about it

+Travis Stefanski Dooku always whupped his butt.

I agree with u m8

Yeah right

***** Indeed! THanks for responding

+blaze556922 Well on Mustafar he was already Darth Vader as dubbed by Sidious after he assisted in killing Mace. Plus he let his emotions get in the way, but I agree either way Obi Wan's defense wouldn't give in to the emotion free Djem So barrage.

All of this is based on books not the movies which makes this all speculation and means nothing because the average movie goer will not have a clue about all this only what they've seen in the film's

+Rico Chico Malico thanks for replying mate i have subscibed to you channel. once again top notch stuff

Obi Wan is clearly overrated. He got stomped by Dooku countless times. Put your bias away Misha

+Misha Malcevschi Kenobi is the one who is clearly being overrated. Lol. Vader shits on Kenobi real hard

my grandfather would win...all the TIME

+kylo ren you sure??

+Obi-Wan Kenobi no I'm not...

yeah. tell em grandfather..

+Darth Vader me vs vader, I'll just win

What ? he can't do anything as force ghost he can only walk and talk

Kenobi fanboy alert

I agree with you

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+Rico Chico Malico I'd like if you did something like darth Vader vs mace windu

Rots Anakin was much better than Vader

I will be honest I do disagree with you but before you murder me with a furious speech allow me to voice my opinion. If vader could crush obi wan from revenge of the sith despite his handicap then why did he struggle against his former apprentice ashoka which resulted in his helmet being sliced off and his force wall briefly being breached? Personally I believe vader would lose but I am trying not to piss people off

+Misha Malcevschi You're right, after Obi-Wan(rots) Vader fought remaining cans of jedi

Um thanks m8 look I don't mean to piss you off too but what's your point sorry its that I didn't understand your comment that's all :)

The verdict is correct

Sergio Velasco Vader is not reckless and he learned how to not be the hard way. Vader using heavy fast strikes does not mean he is reckless as he knew what he was up against, and used the appropriate attack

Darth Vader Luke was very basic on his saber combat skills, yet he beat him when he became reckless yet again. His cybernetics allowed his parries and slices to hit so hard that his foes succumbed of exahustion. Luke avoided most of his strikes and clipped him when he overcomitted. He lost a lot of speed when he became Vader

+kevin Naveen Not exactly. There's a few holes in your theory: 1. "Soresu has advantages of all forms, even Vader's form." Not entirely true. It has been noted that a master of Juyo/Vaapad can penetrate the defenses of a Soresu master. 2. Also, agility and speed doesn't mean much against a tank like Vader. He has fought opponents faster than himself on several separate occasions. 3. Form V wasn't the only form Vader used. It was the backbone of his style and his preferred style, but he wasn't a one-trick Sith Lord. He incorporated all 7 forms into his own improvised, yet antiquated style. He used Forms I, III, and V (Shien) against multiple opponents with blasters. Form II was used against lightsaber duelists much like himself (example: Luke Skywalker's first duel with Vader in Episode V). Form IV was used by Vader, but not to any great degree aside from acrobatics. Form VI was used in order to gauge his opponent's strength and he also used it in conjunction with his Force abilities (again, an example being Luke Skywalker's first duel with Darth Vader in Episode V). 4. Let's not forget that this is Vader we're talking about. I think he knows whom he's dealing with. Also, Vader's tactic was always to end his duels quickly. So he never struck anything less than a killing blow.