as bout to comment. was beat to it V_V Honestly dont even have pain. funny enough started when I volunteered at a computer lab. And as a part of some class they had for a short bit we were offered free computer and perifferals if we wanted. granted I didnt need an.. old xp machine thats gunna go collect dust. but in the boxes of mice I saw an old wired mouse with a big red ball out the side of it made by microsoft. asked about it and dear god the confused look and realisation on the owners face... Once they explained it to me it was.. love at first sight,.. how cold I not take an obscure and weird thing I just found! Honestly... I tried it... took a good bit to adjust but I fell in love with trackball mice.... Sadly lost the ol microsoft one... it was so big n chonky..... but Now I got one with bluetooth and capable of connectin between devices.... you can even get the best of both worlts and get a tilted trackball mouse. not quite fully vertivcal but I think some can go 35 45 degrees I think for a more natural hand postition. Between being more comfortable its actually quite good for being space conscious. kinda. Since you dont need to move it you can let it sit in one spot and yuse your thumb to make movements it only takes up the space it occupies you dont need a mat and dedicated space to let it roam. and hell sometimes Ill just take it off the desk sit it on my lap and roll the ball. Im no trackball expert but I think a decent starter just to try is the Nulea M501. Main reason being price at the price point of the 20 - 30 this trooper has been goin. litta main brand shi easily goin for 50+ even dippin into 80 90$ ranges or so. in the case of logitechs lineup having a weak left click thatll within a year if your lucky will break and either not click at all anymore or get stuck constantly thier replacement for that model being worsae no longer selling the old and even thier premium 100$ option... having the same clicker issues... Have had this 20$ mouse last longer than any of my logitechs.

You mentioned wanting a longer cable for your current mouse - what about using a USB extension cable?

I was actually just having this discussion with a friend who's a programmer for a living, and at his office they had his entire team using Trackball's for their work--'apparently' recent studies have shown they they aren't good for your hands? I haven't done my own research on it though so, don't have an article I can link to confirm this. Verticle mice are very good for general every day computer use though if you have hand pains, that is for sure!

i opted to use Deltahub Carpio wrist rests instead of using a trackball or vertical mouse. most of the wrist pain i got was from jamming my wrists into a hard desk.

@@ryanhughes3569 i'm a cs student learning to code as well. i'm torn between trackball and vertical mice. any suggestions please?

You're holding it too hard and pressing too much. Loosen your grip and trust it will click.

@@RyanShiels Maybe I just used cheap mice, but that motion is hard to eliminate due to the design of the mouse. I used a vertical mouse for years, so I am not inexperienced. And I'm talking about it moving like 1 or 2 pixels. It's a very small movement. However, if I am playing XCOM just spent the last two minutes pixel hunting for the _just_ the right spot to throw a grenade, I'm going to notice.

@@unknownhours I use literally the cheapest vertical mouse on amazon! I have a very loose fingertip grip and have no problems with the mouse moving when I click. So I can assure you that it's your grip. Rather than clicking with your finger, you're probably squeezing your hand, causing it to move. As you press too strongly and the mouse moves and rotates left (counter clockwise) as you tighten.

A good mouse won't do that. Though there is a real precision problem because the position naturally limits your wrist and fingers range of movement

Adding weights will help! But make sure you find time that weight Too much and you just strain yourself again and it hurts.

Thanks for advice

Interesting! I was met with immediate increase in wrist pain when I tried a vertical mouse. Did you happen to find anything that offered any relief?

​@@System_Spark I'm fortunate enough to have had my arthritis examined by an orthopedic doctor, so I know some appropriate joint strength exercises. When I get a flare-up I also use (a generic version lmao of) an arthritis cream called Voltaren. I've never tried a trackball mouse, which might work well. I've also stopped using mouse and keyboard in lieu of motion controls when playing games... the things we do for our art... I hope you find relief for your own wrist pain!

HECK, I had to use one of those too! AGH. That was back when I was a video producer! lol

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I was just about to comment, I play ROR2 with a vertical mouse and I feel my aim is doing fine. Besides, most of the time the reason I die in the game is not because i can't hit enemies anyway, it has more to do with not being able to run away lol.

Same here! Switched about a year ago and haven't looked back. Being able to rest your hand anywhere is a nice bonus. And even if you game you can be just as good as anyone who uses a normal mouse as long as you practice.

I personally used Logitech MX Ergo for years and even as a first time using it, to me it felt like second nature, the motion you did to move the trackball is similar to the thumb stick so it requires little to no training, and one bonus is that you can make the ball coast to quickly dash across the screen.

i love my trackball mouse but keep in mind some don’t have a replacement for the scroll wheel (mine doesn’t 😭)