I grew up in Provo Utah and there was a fertility doctor that did the same thing. Dr Jacobson. I was good friends with his son and it was a nightmare for the family. This is so sad that people would do this to others. I haven't watched the entire episode yet, but I wanted to share that this something that's probably happening a lot. 👍

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This is what people in the Netherlands are like. Awful! I can’t believe this is what was done. Here in Japan people like him would be found immediately because we have PROPER JUSTICE SYSTEMS AND NON-LAZY WORKERS! Shameful

@@itsukinakamura8547 I’m not even from the Netherlands who hurt you?

Imagine

God level

Big deal

I literally think this guy is pretty neat like he gives off that badass energy hed prolly be able to talk u into going out with him 🤣

@@j.h.4711 nah its just scummy energy, straight trash

@@sunnydays405 how is allowing women who want children to get impregnated inherently eugenics and even so explain what moral failing has to do with a woman who can't naturally receive a child to become a mother getting that oppertunity 🤔. What this guy did is wrong but it's most likely an isolated case

@@chorizo8939 LMAO at the lack of self awareness in your comment. You realize that the people who use sperm banks are also slaves to their primitive desires right? They could have just adopted, but just like the doctor, they too are going out of their way to achieve a 'legacy'. And not only that, but sperm banks also have requirements for the type of men who are allowed to donate (Often times 6 foot, white, college educated), so theres an immoral eugenic aspect to it too. It's fucked from the start, so this doctors actions are just amusing to me.

@@HeroOfTheDay16 There's requirements for the type of men that can donate (Often times 6 foot+, white, college educated), some even have stricter requirements. It's inherently eugenic.

Veeeeryy wrong

some guys are really into this idea. seems to be their fetish or something

It doesn't matter. He did what he needed to do and at least the children he conceived came out healthy and successful. You can't blame women either for wanting to get pregnant even if the woman isn't fit to have children.

@@thedarkenigma3834 he didn't do what he needed to do. He violated people and nothing more lol.

It’s fucking disgusting.

OMG he was probably licking all over those women. Oh he probably has videos of them too he should be in prison 🤓

That man achieved far more than you could ever achieve in 10 lifetimes. So pipe down

Women do it to men all the time and thats considered cute. Got to love the double standard. In this world everything a man does will be considered evil. If a women is deceitful tho in order to get pregnant than thats cool. I saw a tik tok video of a mother literally admitting to lying to her bf about being on the pill so she could get pregnant. Then she shows off her kids and the comments are full of "how cute"! Why is that, that we have different standards for men and women? Hell to this day men aren't allowed to control there future, only women. Exactpy why forced parenthood is only ok for men. If women were held to the same standard as men when it comes to reproduction they would have a freaking melt down thats for sure. If thats one thing I cant stand about feminists is just that. They seem to fall very silent about issues that impact men negatively. They only care about one gender, and one gender only. I hope some day feminist can start supporting to end all double standards, but I don't see that happening any time soon. There more worried in getting ahead and leaving us behind them.

@@joshua22267 it’s not considered cute, don’t try to pull one over. People who consider that cute too are sick people, unless you value the opinions of people who are mentally unstable.

Is there any source of news about this Australian man? I wanna know since im Australian

Hickory Lemur I actually feel a little bad for sharing that, I doubt many of the offspring wish to have it advertised, so I won’t give any more details out except to say it was 40 plus years ago. I was quite shocked to find this story and struck by the similar number.

Anyone who does this is sick and had no ethics and morality. A doctor is Supposed TO TAKE AN OATH TO DO NO HARM.

I will not

they went in to get an anonymous sperm donor so its not that disturbing, yes its wrong but as the siblings said, he has healthy genes so they are happy with that

Well.. Quite a lot of these are posing to be pro-adoption, so..

@@Immortal_BP to dupe someone like this is the deepest of ethical violations. How do you not wrap your mind around the immorality of this? They didn’t consent to his sperm. They were told traits of donors and selected from there, and they were lied to.

@@battleverdun1914 Yeah, because you aren’t a man.

I think part of that may be due to translation. They might not use terms that differentiate from biological father and dad.

That's just how some people talk. I've never met my father but he's still ... my father ... whether I like it ot not. "Dad" is the name I reserve for the man who raised me.

@@Sselena3395 Well there's vader which is for father and pappa for dad.

@@yeahthatsher exact same story here.

White people.....

It’s not weird. Every sperm donor in the clinic is anonymous. Meaning you could have a terminally ill person or someone with a genetic disorder as your biological father and they wouldn’t know. Knowing who your biological father is and knowing he was healthy and lived a long life is a good feeling even when it’s a terrible person like the doctor

Very weeeeeeird !!!!, he didn't care a bit abt them as humans having half-siblings everywhere, he was surely a psychopath !

Yeah, I can say with certainty is not how most of his "children" feel. I remember seeing a documentary (Dutch one) about his victims and the kids - they are very disgusted

I believe they were just happy to know who their biological father was

@@Onneukbaar right but the doctor was weird and immoral, you’d worry you would be the same somehow.

VICE could be deleting comments

Prolly them comments got deleted or buried under the new ones idk what I'm saying

Except they are

Oh they're there.

I am seeing a LOT of trolls commenting

We're all brothers and sisters anyway. How did it start with 2 persons lol

It didn’t start with two people

Nowadays? This has been an issue since time immemorial.

We all have some degree of inbreeding anyway, it's been practiced since the beginning of times.

It’s pretty cool when you think about it

😂😄

Me reading the headline: 😬

Vice has been back to its roots

Like what?!?! You didn’t finish your sentence…. Like….rotten eggs? Like…stretch Armstrong? Like….a bowl of jello? You need to finish your sentence, kid.

@@sendthis9480 tell me you are a boomer without telling me you are a boomer

You didn't have to say "down the hatch", down the hatch means to drink bruh

:D

@@novomartin5429 Thats why I followed it up with "shot glass" just in case there was any doubt as to what I meant. I know exactly what that phrase means

beta pays and chad lays, you should know this by now

@@mufasta8322 Thanks for the visual bruh :')

Are you blind and deaf? They did not in any way frame this as a "good or okay thing". There was literally suspense/thriller stock background music throughout the video and the Journalist's perspective was consistently accusatory until the very last clip of him where he simply tries to explain to people like you that the situation is not entirely simple and black/white. No one is defending what he did as being okay, not even the children that were interviewed, but considering the only thing the mothers were choosing when getting anonymous donor sperm was a series of traits, a long-lived, reasonably handsome in his youth, very intelligent doctor is hardly a bad set of traits. Just as an example of the kinds of gene they could've received, I have serious depression, addiction issues, and (on one side of the family) a strong likelihood of having knee/hip issues in my later years (I have plenty of good genes too, but the doctor doesn't seem to have any serious *genetic* issues). The children obviously recognize the problem of having so many half siblings, but its an interesting story, so I'd think it wouldn't be too awkward to ask someone you are intending to create a child with who their father is.

Watch my father on Netflix!

Stepbro I’m stuck 😩

@@Jj-lv2wi Nah, then it's just "Bro, I'm stuck"

Sweeeet home Aaaalabama

Unnecessarily gross stereotyping for that part of your unacknowledged Conservatism, "@@Jj-lv2wi".

Still brothers tho lol

"healthcare professionals" are not always professional... I should know I work with a lot of them

finally sum1 who explained it… i got a bit confused for a bit lmao

Genghis Khan also impregnated a lot of women in Asia naturally and nothing like that happened

@@infernoo365 Few things to consider: 1)Ghenghis Khan was a military leader many centuries ago , not a doctor. 2)He raped many women . 3)We don’t know if half siblings dated and reproduced because there wasn’t genetic tasting done then. 4) Despicable actions done centuries ago don’t excuse despicable actions done in fairly recent history .

Ethics is not law and vice versa

He didn't violate any of the commandments of the bible( assuming god exists ) so no. What he did makes absolute sense if you look at it from the biological imperative to have your genes survive in the next generation(s) which is all that matters in the game of life. The traits of people that will be born 100 or 200 years from now will be the ones of the people that managed to spread their DNA. Simply raising a child that isn't yours does nothing in this sense, your traits will disappear anyway.

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😂😂😂

Lmaoo

😃😃😃

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Then you must live in a bubble, this is the tamest thing I've ever heard, creepy yeah but damn there's more to this world than you know lmao

same

I got that reaction at 15 seconds in.

@@j3fr0uk damn you're so ghettoooo

@@Kamila.k ok, not sure anyone actually wants to be ghetto but cheers kid

Logic went out of the window with that person

If you ever wonder what would Jesus do. Destroying public property is a good start.

@@erik2811 wait what?

@@erik2811 your comment is unrelated to the comment you're replying to

What if its your second cousin?

(Not referring to this specific case, I find this doctor super creepy and having major lack of ethics) Biology doesn't make good parents. There are medical reasons why couples pick a sperm donor. I guess I expect the parents to tell the child, but the person you grow up with really is your real parent?

What does it change she wanted donor she got donor everybody happy its not like he gave them crippled genes

Monatslohn für Trenbolon He might not have passed on those genes but he deceived people for decades. How would you feel if you found out that who you thought was your dad wasn’t even your dad at all and it was actually your doctor? Probably pretty pissed off.

I feel like the temptation to spread your own seed far and wide is based in mens "lizard brains". In a complete moral vaccuum, he was just following the evolutionary programming humans have developed. However this ia not a vaccuum and humans have also developed a notion of right and wrong.

I've heard of IVF doctors doing this in a few different countries now.

Man as someone who doesn't want kids this "spread your seed" concept is completely foreign...I wear glasses, have average intelligence and my bench press is weak AF (145). Who the hell would want me as a father? LOL

@@TheWiseDrunkard well every mammal that has been here for thousands of years has had one prerogative - reproduce.

@@BeezyNgeezY-ul1nu Yeah but goddam there are limits to this as the video clearly shows. I feel like people are using "evolutionary psychology" to justify certain things...I think we can act better than that. (not digging at your specifically but just in general)

I agree. Growing up I suffered a lot of neglect and abuse from my mother, but I still desired to have this relationship with her (I craved a normal mother daughter dynamic). She subjected me to things that any rational observer would have told me to quit all contact with her for good, but this was a lot easier said that done. Towards the end of my relationship with her, it was surreal because 1. I knew she was bad for me & 2. I no longer desired a relationship with her, and yet despite knowing all this I had to use this astonishing strength to forcefully sever the ties within my heart to her to finally cut off my relationship with her (and it was a hard, fraught & painful process). Eventually I did succeed in cutting her out of my life (& heart) for good, but recovery from such a toxic relationship is proving to take years to recover from. So if I have found it this difficult to cut out someone who was proactively evil and sadistic towards me, then in takes little stretch of imagination in my mind to see how someone could try to rationalise a relationship with (and actions of) a biological "parent" who has never purposefully harmed them. If anything, given the huge void (the lack of directly knowing and familiarity with) that exists in such an odd situation, I think it would create ideal breeding grounds for the offspring to seek to give their bio parent a lot of benefit of the doubt (especially when most people in such situations are trying to understand their own identity through the half of that person who made them). After all, why would anyone want to consider what a monster that man was when doing so would also mean accepting that you too by proxy are cut from the same cloth as that monster? Much easier to rationalise the situation (and just try to focus on the person's positive sides) than to contemplate the dark nature of what went on...

Thanks for sharing and you are right. The problem is that when people are not punished for bad actions and even praised, it leaves a bitter taste of injustice. Someone might start questioning morals and whether they’re a sucker for accepting them, sort of a crossroad between choosing to be an abuser yourself or stand up to abusers.

Uhm, what? Nope. You have an emotional attachment to those who raised you, not mythical biological force

Not necessarily true. I was conceived through ivf and have a donor father. I don’t know him and don’t want to know him, because I have two amazing parents. I have no emotional attachement to a man that I’m only biologically related to and don’t consider him as a parent. I could see some people having that, if you don’t have a good relationship with your parents or if you’re adopted. But that’s something completely different.

It is created by how much the parents take care of the child. Some biological children never want to meet their biological parents.

Dude there’s nothing wrong with that. Anyone should be a donor, in this case he did for all but just lied saying some anonymous name

But real thing is for children with his facial expressions, who don’t like negative attention

I hope doctor never thought about facial similarities. Maybe we should see it as accidental. And later that’s why he should have closed his clinic due to guilty

@@hellloooworld1124 He breached ethical violations as a medical personnel.

Exactly

There was one report about a doctor sort of doing this same exact thing. There is a big difference though. The doctor in the States used his sperm if say the husbands failed. His argument was somewhere along the lines of, "I don't see the problem. You wanted a baby."

@@TheNexusChan I remember hearing of a case, and I forget the name of the town but it was a small town, where the doctor at a fertility clinic used his own sperm in place of other donors. I think it was estimated that he was the father of something like 128 kids, which was a rough estimate. Still, an lot of friggin kids fathered by the same man. Besides the fact that he deceived these women, the biggest concern was that because all of these kids were born and raised in this same small town, that when they grew up there was a strong possibility that they’d unknowingly end up dating and/or marrying, and then reproducing with their own half-siblings. 😬

Alabama

there are... and in canada too. there is a famous case of a doc from north America that fathered around 650 kids in one region lol

@@vanhoot2234 Here I am with 5 offspring, and thinking that's too much. 😅

It’s widespread now but not at that time the journalist investigated this and certainly not back in 2000s and earlier.

I heard of a donor who, whilst he doesn't want children, nevertheless attended a clinic three times a week whilst he was at college. He may have hundreds of children. There's no way of knowing because the fertility clinic he went to folded, and no one knows what happened to their records. However, he was smart enough to realise that if he, or a close relative, put their DNA on a database, then the children would come calling. However, his mother wanted to fill out some gaps in her family tree, and, against his wishes, had her DNA uploaded. Two of his daughters had found each other by now, and knew they were donor conceived, so were, like the Karbaat children, waiting for others to appear, when they were matched with their grandmother. He's not a happy bunny, and wants to take legal action against the DNA database for encroaching on his privacy because the clinic promised him lifelong anonymity.

The world is setting a stage for destruction

But sex work is real work, right?

it looked like it was a masturbation porn video, OR the women were the only one doing any work in the video

I used to live in that village, weird to think this went on at not even 10 mins from my home >.

Anonymous donor

@@inoclasism ... and? If my partner was infertile and I had known the doc put his sperm in me I'd abort ASAP. That's hella weird man. It feels so intrusive and wrong. And also, most docs that are doing this are old.......

@@ginnundso Agreed, nobody wants old man sperm when they go to have an IVF baby or otherwise. Huge increase in risk for birth defects.

nazi eugenics.

He's a hero.

@@raphaelx1441 troll

@@Alice-ui9oy the women never cared about the identities of the donors anyways and the children are even happy he was their father so I don't know why you're here gloating

@@raphaelx1441 what are you talking about? Some of these “donors” were the women’s husbands??? Why wouldn’t a lady want her husband to father her child wtf

@@stunttumblecheer none of them are the women's husbands

He dont need gloves ... he dont need condoms thats all his stuff anyways 🤣🤣🤣🤣

You're showing your age. You've grown up with AIDS prevention protocol and this was filmed before all that.

look mom no hands

it's ok he washed his hands

Reminds me of the show “nip tuck” a character on there did sleep with his half sibling 🥴

Typical day in Alabama

The whole thing is a violation

well he is from a era where a lot of things are weird for you and me.

He did nothing wrong. Those women didn't care about the sperm donors anyways

@@raphaelx1441 OH? Is it his sperm they wanted though?

@@krislatoya7556 not necessarily, but they didn't care either. It wasn't a case of cheating where he substituted his sperm for another man's (whose was needed) Even those kids are proud of him

😩 same, I'm so distraught after discovering of all this.

It is what it is they got a baby

dna test for marriage is a must now

@@icnix4100 considering you think this is a good thing to do says a lot about you.

I have real questions about this, because it seems like it’s only white families… like they mentioned in the documentary. And the Doctors all did this around the same time frame! There weren’t a ton of fertility clinics back then, right? Could these doctors have known each other?

They were not the ones who were violated.

lol

Totally agree, he looks like a villain from a horror movie...

One of the Karbaat children is gay, and insists on DNA testing prospective partners in case they are a half sibling too.

@@justanothermind4972 what the hell is wrong with you? Most women in those clinics HAVE PARTNERS who are infertile

@@justanothermind4972 Male fertility peaks at 30 then it's down hill from there with hair loss, loss of muscle mass, and low sperm count.

@@ankyfire not all some single motbers by choice

@@aaronpv1973 exactly why I used the word MOST, not ALL

@@ankyfire ok man

I believe there was a group of children in Vancouver wa that found out they had 9 other siblings

Do you even know what that means

They all think it was wrong and of course it is. But at the same time they wouldn’t even had been born if he didn’t do it 🤷🏼

@@Auroth_DI just wtf thats not even close to a justification, he should have used the donors sperm. not being born is better than being born in such a way..

They are happy that their father has strong genes, its just good for them

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wait did he actually do that?

78k ladies bruh he's crazy

@@HShango is isn't 78k... That's literally 3 a day for over 70 years.

What is this comment

@@R0FLC4T5 And sometimes it’s the same woman but a few dozen times

nazi eugenics.

Wtf... That'll be a disaster... Most of the kids will probably be disabled

I actually know someone who this happened to. They found out they already got married and had a child.

@@aaaaaa-hh8cq The effects wouldn't be that crass for half-siblings.

@@jocelyncooper1738 yuck

@@HiAdrian half siblings are more genetically related to each other than cousins. So unless you live in alabama or Arabia, yes its gross lol.

That's incredibly unlikely.

That's incredibly unlikely.

@@brandon9172 When you come from a massive family, it is incredibly likely. Paired with little to no sex education and being anti-abortion does that (funnily enough we all identify as liberal). As far as I know, it’s only happened once to my cousins. They met at college. He brought her home to meet his mom and she recognized the girl’s traits from a distant family member. The mom said her last name and all hell broke lose. Neither of them knew. I’m genuinely surprised no one’s ever gotten knocked up by another cousin yet. We just had another cousin get two different girls pregnant two months apart.

He technically did nothing wrong. He provided an anonymous sperm. He didn't break Dutch law at those times.

I remember the same thing, but the super donor wasn't the doctor in the event I'm recalling.

wasn't that the Mormon one?

He was somewhere out west and I think he was Mormon or something like that. But he did it mainly in the 80s if I remember correctly and it didn't all surface until almost 20 years later

I thought there was one in Vancouver wa as well

So you support the doctor cool!

Political correctness.

Honestly it’s true, going to a fertility clinic you are likely getting the sperm of some inbred ape, at least he has some intelligence to get job as a doctor.

the utimate stud

Dat is typisch Nederlands ja. Ze zijn blij dat t hun vader blijkt te zijn alleen omdat hij een dokter is en dus goede genen heeft.. weird

Glass half full mindset

I was like wtf and they're like haha yes genetics handed down from a predator lol on the bright side we got big hands doe

if you still find this fascinating you are a problem, nothing fascinating about taking advantage of people and lying for years about it.

@@CRAZyLittleMeMe well he's the modern day equivalent of Ghengis Khan. I can tell you some people find ghengis khan fascinating. I don't.

That's how I feel. I am just baffled!

@@JudyBarrette same but you know Morally wrong Because they can't love their the parents they were grown with, now And so the parents But, logically, they are probably, smart, handsome, and love long, because of the genes. So yeah this was just weird

Considering how small Iceland is, a doctor doing something like this there would be even worse.

Probably does