Not gonna lie, I have both lol even the 870 with a Knox stock. Love both of them the same though, but you can’t beat classics like the 870

Its a Saiga 12 with different furniture. I have a couple 12s and they are awesome and fast shooters. Really underrated shotguns.

but its is really lower quality then letz say a true russian saiga and thats for almost all their products

A weapon for war is usually more quality than a standard commercial weapon.

lassefar Thygesen The Saiga 12 IS MADE IN ( RU ) ...NOT a communist country. When they ( WERE ) ..... COMMUNIST..... [ Obviously, YOUR " FETISH" ] They were, Known as, USSR. UNDER OBAMA, .... YOU'RE, " WET DREAM" .... The Saiga was BANNED FROM IMPORTATION. ...Now the VEPR, This ( IS ) the long, Waited for U.S. Built Saiga "Clone". [ KALASHNIKOV CONCERN] builds in & least 3 countries. YOU OBVIOUSLY HATE AMERICA. & I PROMISE YOU, 99.999. Do Not like , ignorant, "AMERICA HATERS" On this, or any other legitimate Gun site.... (YOU NOW HAVE THE ENTIRE CURRENT & FORMER MILLITARY COMMUNITY ( WATCHING YOU). Stick to Gaming.....

Daniel Calvo AFAIK english doesn't work like that

Just for a couple days or so

Jeff Blue for real, just get a vepr 12. They are on sale at classic firearms just a few days ago.

He missed. 😉 JK. IDK. LOL

why not one thats acctualy good ? likr an vepr or an russian saiga from the kalaschnikov concern ?

why? its shit lol

Alex Bondarenko....all guns are made for street fighting

@@alexbondar8888 that's stupid analogy

It has no relation to Kalashnikov Concern. Saiga is owned by Kalashnikov Concern.

You remember correctly...this is rwc down to the owners. It would like century arms trying to change there name to Cugir or Zastava of Vermont.

There is some connection, through CAA/Hartman/Kalashnikov Israel, though nothing direct to KC in Russia because the sanction regime does not permit it.Technically, they could have gotten the technology package for the Vityaz, Saiga and AK-103 for free, since that's fine, but even if they wanted to be licensed, they couldn't. I'm assuming that they are tolerated (with some condemning statements by KC for the press) because it's useful to popularize the name with successful products once the international situation cools off (even if it gets hot first). Even if they flunk, KC can eventually come in and say: those were posers, get the real deal here.

Russian Weapons Company

No

absolutely not, it is too long and therefore unsuited to moving in an enclosed space such as a house

They must've hired a new sound guy, because it used to be really cool, but now it's trash.

They dont have much recoil. The action takes most of it up. The bolt carrier group is huge. Its basically an enlarged ak.

@@mariov2596 OK Bubba. run high brass buckshot or 3" shells, not the pussy bulk pack Walmart shit and tell me there's no real recoil. Ran a 2 day defensive shotgun class with the Vepr12 and 2.75 00 buckshot and I was sore. 6'1", 255lbs and ran the m240b in 2 deployments in Iraq, and the vepr running buckshot is a punisher if you run more than a mag or two.

@@TheRoadhammer379 Pussy.

@@TheRoadhammer379 3inch turkey loads.. you will get a bruise from one shot

But Bro, it's not tactical enough if you don't have the slowmo sound!

the slow mo is great, the gunshot sound out off the slowmo is the horrible one

sounds like a videogame

good one...

There's no porn, what are you talking about?

@@federalrepublicofthesmurfs3502 r/woosh

@@federalrepublicofthesmurfs3502 r/whoooosh

robotrip M i don't live in a commie nation but its not your business to know anyway.! Capish.!

HAZE87x to do what? Slaughter pineapples?

Own and shoot at the range, but it’s impractical as hell, plus yeah pineapples fucking suck!

I enjoy how it's essential the same thing as a Saiga Can't have one of those But if it was made here- no problem.

It’s perfectly fine

@GhillieGoat everything, including the trunnion

other than no compatibility of magazines between S12 and Vepr12, it's Vepr12 all day, every day

under normal political climate they will be defindly sued because the kalaschnikov name is pattentet by kalschnikov concern ( but not the ak design likewise for example the russians can create ar 15 types of weapons) but kalaschnikov usa sucks anyway.

Check this out and the real reason to why it was established its to get around to sanctions on Russia after 2014 invasion of Ukraine www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-22/-kalashnikov-gun-maker-in-florida-under-federal-investigation

@@user-qz2sw7pq8y The stupidity of your comment is overwhelming. They were the importer for Kalashnikov Concern until 2014, they had to cut ties because of the sanctions. There is no lawsuit, and they bought the rights to the Vitzyaz 9mm, the 103 and the Saiga. They produce the 9mm now, the ks12T and with John Mossberg at the Helm, they are working on the ak 47/74 rifles as of 2019. Get educated and learn how to compose a comprehensible sentence and work on the grammar, knucklehead.

@@TheRoadhammer379 are you sure ? i remember seeing videos of kalaschnikov concern critizising kalaschnikov usa and also naming them as illegal. they also very often point out that they have nothing to do with kalaschnikconcern. www.rt.com/business/440850-kalashnikov-production-us-theft/ here is for example some comments by rostec. kalaschnikov usa hasnt bought any rights or license and their take on the weapons isnt inovativ either its just a copy ( just think how evryone would lose their mind if kalaschnikov concern started to produce a copy of hk416, scar and maybe the m27 IAR ... and they would offer it for half the price ) they even didnt bother to really develop their own logo. This concen basicly uses the situation created by sanctions to sell their own stuff under false name. just imagine "random Chinese company" making copys of i phones of lesser quality selling them under the " apple china " brand with the same logo in the usa or anywhere ? wouldnt you expect a lawsuit ? the problem is like i said current political situation dosent allow such normal juristical things to happen. concerning my grammer , well i speak several alnguages and english is the least important and usefull of them so to be honest besides being able to communicate i dont need anything more

starshiy serzhant its all by design... KUSA is an affiliate. Admitting they are related would negate the whole purpose and effectiveness of the import ban. RT(Russia Today) ultimately is a controlled news outlet to serve Russian interest .... ... So it would benefit (Kalashnikov) to play like they mad that KUSA is not related. Boom

Because they had to open up the top cover for shell clearance on ejection. Every ak pattern shotgun has it

@@TheRoadhammer379 ah, ok

workingclassless84 Vepr ±1

Right... I will keep my saiga

People who don't already have VEPR 12s will have to accept substitutes. VEPRs have been banned from import to the US for about six months now. The VEPR 12 is the standard by which all other AK pattern shotguns should be measured, but it is NOT the only viable option in this arena.

Elijah Decker wrong brother...dead wrong, the history of saiga and the quality are what sets them aside from the rest. There is a reason why the Russian competition shooting champ uses saiga and not vepr

Leo Vi that use izhmash guns because izhmash saiga has ipsc ready guns for stock competition ipsc is more popular in Russia then in the USA for the simple reason you must be in the shooting club to be able to buy fun guns in Russia. I have four variance of different manufacturers after 12 gauge AK platforms , Vepr is the best. Ижевске завод ishmash the company that sells Saiga has a better marketing team because Michael Kalashnikov worked in this Factory and had a lot of connections with the bitters for a large variety of rifles this is why most things come from the ishmash Factory and sometimes more Superior weaponry is ignored and is not used by Russian armed forces only because of personal relations between the seller and the buyer .

What?

🤔 slow trigger finger...

Grizz Axxemann what's the name of the Turkish one I forgot it

That's just it. There's three or four different types, all marketed under three or four brands each. Most popular one up here so far is the Derya Mk12

Alexandr Димяти oh no he's right.

VEPR*

Nice try but the ks12T is better built than the S12, other than fit and finish, yeah it is a saiga

Your saiga doesn't have a LRBHO, mine doesn't, so why the bullshit? My Vepr12 has LRBHO, anyone who knows what they are talking about, knows the S12 never had BHO. Imported a saiga12 and rebranded... lmfao. Ok kid, go on your laptop and Google Russian sanctions of molot and izmash.

Yes it does have rifiling

If you have to ask..... :( I'm sure it's sitting somewhere between $800-$1500

approximately $1000 street price

Sounds like something from MW2

Mochammad adrian maybe but now I call you the squeaker with bad language education