Yes, superb classic Star Trek.

Roddenbery wrote for old-radio in the 50s. He must have influenced the script and story, It is the best episode.

Not only the best of TOS..but of the entire Star Trek franchise..

We have them thanks to reverse engineered UFOs

lets get the devil out of here unless I woke up on the wrong planet

Kinda of yeah. He was a syndicate boss in A Piece Of The Action. Actor John Harmon was his name.

@@danbasta3677 GOOD CALL!

Correct. No impact on history.

But he did have good cranial development

This episode is way way beyond normal intellectual storytelling.

Where are you all seeing 3:24 and 3:28?? I dont see it on this clip.

But their lives would have been a lot shorter. More Jewish would have been killed and others enslaved or tortured.

Well they're both Jewish from the 1930s so yeah...they wouldn't be on TV. However since they are there, then Edith had always died, and her death had always been caused by Kirk and the saving prevented by Kirk and Spock. McCoy was just fates lure to draw them back to fulfill their cosmic destiny. The genius of the story was that everyone at home expected a Butterfly Effect story...but the Butterfly Effect was always a part of time. Simple time stories had been done on TV for over a decade and in fiction for decades...even ST had already done one. Most had been, don't interfere or you'll ruin everything. That is what the audience was expecting. Ellison was great at twisting the plot around.

The United States should hot have been involved in the Vietnam War in the First Place.

@@HoldenNY22 A high school teacher of mine personally met Ho Chi Minh when he was flying guns to him for the OSS in WW2. Are you saying we should have just let the Japanese Empire kill all the Communists there? As a French Inspector said to a saloon keeper in Casablanca once isolationism isn't a practical policy. We got involved in the Vietnam War because pacifist isolationists let us get forced into a global conflict that started when German Socialists and Russian Socialists invaded Poland to redistribute everybody else's property to themselves. A guy I went to high school with named Frank Genovese had a sister who was stabbed to death on her doorstep by psychopath in New York because her neighbors "didn't want to get involved" when they heard her screaming for help. When he saw me getting beat up on the playground by somebody bigger than me Frank jumped in and pulled him off me. We got involved in Vietnam for the same reason we're getting involved in the Ukraine. Because greedy socialists want to steal other people's property and murder anybody who objects and if we let them get away with it they'll eventually be powerful enough to do the same thing to us and there won't be anybody left to stop them. You can argue we should have stuck to the Eisenhower-Nixon strategy of just providing guns and air and naval support to South Vietnam instead of the JFK-LBJ strategy of sending in American ground forces like my cousin Al who died defending Que Son in the Marines there but the only way we could have avoided being involved in Vietnam would have been to let the Fascists take over the world and kill all the Communists in WW2 which is basically what would have happened if we hadn't gotten involved in their secular religious war with each other as Edith Keeler's pacifist isolationism would have inevitably resulted in by keeping us out of WW2.

By the way Daniel Rudolf, Vietnamese rice farmers did not in fact beat the USA. Half of those Vietnamese rice farmers let's note were fighting off a military aggression by Hanoi's racist Orwellian tyranny beside us Americans for the same reasons my wife's South Koreans fought against being enslaved by the Kim Dynasty beside us Americans more successfully back in the 1950's and why Ukrainians have been fighting a war against Putin's military aggression for over a year now with support from every legitimate Socialist in Europe without any Americans at all. What sect of the Socialist religion do you belong to that makes you believe a military dictator like Ho Chi Minh who never won any free multiparty election had some sort of "Divine Right" to rule everybody in Vietnam just because he was supported by the Soviet military industrial complex rather than the American military industrial complex? West German Social Democrats lets note rejected similar claims by East Germany's Soviet installed Communist dictators during the Cold War which lets note ended with the Fall of the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain, I was in Germany when that happened which is what makes me feel better when I'm sad. :)

You and your dad are among the many Trekkies across the globe - Including myself. This episode pulls at my heartstrings too. Live long and prosper sweetheart.

Spock: "He knows, Doctor; he knows." Without Edith Keeler getting killed in a car accident, as she walks carelessly across the street, Germany is victorious in WWII, since Germany has the time to develop the Atomic Bomb. A terrific episode of time travel.

This was a great 👍 episode….The city on the edge of Forever!A great 😊 love ❤️ story as well!Even if the love story for Captain 👩‍✈️ Kirk is short lived.

I'm not gone yet.

Edward Price Yes. I've just learned this. It's fascinating.

Known all of this for a long time. I would say that the episode Return Of The Achons was also a Mayberry set. In the episode Miri, the creature saying MINE! MINE! was actor/stuntman Ed McCreedy who was in Dagger Of The Mind, a SS Officer in Patterns Of Force, Dr. Carter on the starship Exeter who gave a warning to the Enterprise boarding party to transport down to the planet in The Omega Glory, and finally, the town barber in Scepter Of The Gun, third season episode of Star Trek.

Nazi headquarters the writters building in Paramount

That was common

Courthouse Square was used by Desilu for most of The Untouchables, a series that had just ended. It was the primary small town USA 1870 to 1965 depending on whether they blew dirt on the streets and changed windows and sidewalks. It was used in five star treks as well as Wild Wild West, Gomer Pyle, I Dream of Jeannie, Bewitched, Twilight Zone, Happy Days, the Waltons, Back to the Future. It is all illusion and stagecraft. Most don't realize Gilligan's Lagoon was dug right behind Victoria Barkley's mansion....or that MASH and The Walton's shared a mountain.

Funny guy! 😸

Probably, her sister, Jackie Collins.

Dawn Wells.

I agree. I also believe one of the leading scientists was deliberately sabotaging the work being done.

She always had... Why was Edith out that night and on the far side of the street?

​@@STho205 Fate can set up a hundred events and circumstances in place so that what is ordained can be fulfilled. It's amazing.

@@calvinjackson8110 so can authors. Ellison was a fatalist author. Even Harlequin didn't beat The Tick Tok Man in the end. The novelty of this time travel story (there were many in this era) was you were expecting Butterfly Effect...but McCoy, Spock and Kirk were always part of the past. If they weren't there we'd all be happy cruel little Nazis today

@@STho205 Not exactly. They made things go back to the way they were before McCoy jumped in. Anyway you have to imagine they are in a different universe from us. There was no such person as Edith Keeler in real life. There needs to be a different Hitler. The real one drove the nuclear scientists to leave Europe. Nobody else got close to making an atom bomb.

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Because you can't be rational with a do-good-er, especially an A-type personality female in the 1920's. Prohibition was voted into the Constitution largely due to newly empowered women voters, which gave organized crime the perfect opportunity to prosper, at precisely the right time, economically. IMO, the point of this episode was not about "preserving the time-line" but that making emotional decisions to solve complex social issues usually has very bad consequences. Neville Chamberlain tried to appeal to the "humanity" of a vengeful, power-hungry madman, and signed a worthless "peace agreement", out of fear of another World War, and in doing so, only gave the Nazi's affirmation to forge ahead. This point was also made in "The Balance of Terror", as Spock reminded McCoy that showing weakness in the face of the super-aggressive Romulans would be inviting wholesale slaughter of the human race. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/itl8q7Jokp3JYKM.html McCoy was the "emotional" element of the show, Spock was the "pure intellect", and Kirk was the one who had to mediate the two and make the tough decisions based on both aspects.

No. That could have made things even worse.

She wouldn't have accepted that reasoning. She would begin to ask too many questions..I can just hear her now asking: " How do you know all these things? Are you... from the future??? How??" I think she would be so bent on peace this would make her even more convinced that she must argue for peace even more vigorously. Then Kirk would finally realize that there was only one way to stop her. SHE HAS TO DIE. It would be great if she believed Kirk and just kept quiet and found some other project to get excited about and maybe her life would have been longer. But no, she is barreling headlong down a one way street with no turns that will end in an early death. Just like that no good bum who stole that phaser for whatever reason and he got something he was not expecting. Makes you think!

I believe Star Trek Voyager went all the way back to the Big Bang in one episode.

Do the cop was the 1st human to receive a Vulcan nerve pinch?

Daisy Ridley would be a better choice

Pine and Gadot had great chemistry, though it wasn’t enough to salvage WW 1984. I would love to see her in a Star Trek movie, perhaps as a villain.

Chris Pine and Scarlet Johansson

What was the ending originally going to be? I’ve never heard of this.

@@rebeccabaumgarten7573 See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_City_on_the_Edge_of_Forever#:~:text=Keeler%20is%20struck%20and%20killed,and%20rejoin%20the%20landing%20party. Harlan Ellison originally wrote it that a criminal named Beckwith saved Edith. Spock and Kirk go back in time, but it is Spock who allows Edith to die, and not Captain Kirk. I read the original script years ago; Ellison had some emotional problems and wrote a vituperative forward.

The Nazis were developing a booster for the V2 that would have brought the east coast of the US within range. Fortunately they ran out of war before they got it working.

OPERATION CROSSBOW

Except there was no way for a V@ to carry even the smallest of the early A-bombs.

@@mlhill2002 The British hindered them by destroying their heavy water production facilities. The British also developed atomic weapons and gave everything to America. The episode is wrong.

They had plans on the board for special U-boats that could launch V2s from mid- Atlantic. Also there was a plane called the Silber Vogel ( aka the antepodal bomber) that could have carried a payload to NYC or DC. Thank GOD the war ended before then.

John Harmon who was a barber in a Bonanza episode called The Last Haircut which had actor Perry Lopez whom you know as Rodriguez in the first season episode of Star Trek, Shore Leave.

John Harmons pictures were in the book he 5Cs of Cinematography with scenes from movies and TV shows

Harmon is in the book THE 5CS OF CINEMATOGRAPHY showing different camera angles Lou Antonio played a half breed in Bonanza and Star Trek Harry Townes played the same character in Bonanza and Star trek but said he received way more fan mail from Star trek

"Peace was the way." To unify the world and end war, requires One-World Government.

They may have been shielded by the time disruption coming from from the Guardian.

The change could make it legal to upload due to copyrights.

The butterfly effect. You still can't account for that, not fully. Like when Homer sneezes on the dinosaur. What happened in history between when they would beam her aboard and when she dies? He said they could not determine exact moments when things happen. It seems highly unlikely, I grant you, but there's much we don't know. Even if you could time it to the precise moment of her death, that still is no guarantee things wouldn't be changed from that point forward. Perhaps the person who runs over Edith did something or didn't do something he wouldn't do or would do if she simply disappears and he's never burdened with that tragedy. Perhaps he would go on to marry someone or have a child he otherwise wouldn't who would have profound effects on society. Or after running her over he got drunk and killed someone either on purpose or by accident. There's just no way to know, but the future would almost certainly be changed in some way, somewhere between virtually indistinguishable and catastrophically different.

3DPrinterJam Great points! I always thought that scene in which the hobo accidentally vaporized himself was fascinating. He may have seemed inconsequential, but he was part of that society, interacted with it. His disappearance would have had ramifications.

Only those who went thru the time portal could return. Kirk and Spock went thru together so they had to return together followed by McCoy who went thru alone.

That would be in violation of the prime directive, as was McCoy's preventing her from dying in the first place (not that Kirk would have minded having her around, I'm sure).

The Enterprise no longer existed at that point. With McCoy changing history, the Enterprise was never built. The only way to get it back was to reverse what McCoy had done. They couldn't even go back to the planet voluntarily. The only way they could return is if they were successful in reversing what McCoy did.

@@LarryHankJones How did McCoy prevent her from dying? I saw the full episode and don’t get it.

@@plumeria66 He saved her from getting hit by a car, or would have, if Kirk hadn't stopped him.

@@LarryHankJones I watched the whole episode a couple of times and I get it now. How did Spock know for sure it was McCoy who would prevent Edith’s death and not Kirk? But I guess I personally don’t see the point of letting her die from Kirk’s point of view just to save a whole bunch of people when everyone is gonna die anyway. He could’ve taken her up to the spaceship.

Yep. Anybody with a basic knowledge of history knows that that no peace movement (and there were a few) could have prevented the U.S. from being catapulted into WW2 after Pearl Harbor.

Up to Dec. 7, there were negotiations with Japan, not Germany.

Yes, that is true. The negotiations with Japan were all a ruse. They intended to attack all along. See the example of the surprise attack on the Czar's Pacific squadron of ships in 1905, read the Tanaka Memorial & Atwater's "War in the Pacific". Sometimes the writers of Star trek were careless in fact checking. I still consider this version, though dated, the only one worth watching. @@DennisSullivan-om3oo

and therefore what?

Had now. 😉

@@Tiberius291 this idiot might come back. there are still even dumber idiots who vote him.

Trump is OUT!

Say what you want about Trump who is not my personal favorite politician either but he not only won the last election according to ballots filled out in front of bipartisan poll watchers but in his last year in office fossil emissions were reduced to the lowest level they've been since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution with no observable effect on stopping climate change exactly as Trump predicted, there was no Russian invasion of the Ukraine, no major Hamas terrorist attack on Israel from Gaza, lower murder rates in America, fewer drug overdoses, fewer illegal aliens being exploited by illegal drug and prostitution traffickers in Sanctuary Cities, lower unemployment until Democrats took control of Congress in his last two years which always wrecks the economy, and he never tried to have any of his political opponents arrested by crooked partisan judges and DA's like Putin wins his elections in Russia doing. :)