Note, since our recording, "Mad Dog" has restored the videos on his channel. His video lying about Karl and me has the comments turned off.

Let's be clear, he's NOT a collector, he's an INVESTOR. Quite the difference.

I really hate these kind of 'investor' people. They just ruin the fun for actual gamers and collectors.

Mad Dog Collection is not even a real human. He/She is a robot created by WATA out of a toaster.

Honestly, the sealed VHS "collection" told me all I needed to know about this guy. Karl's rebuttal was just the icing on the cake.

I'm really glad the retro gaming scene has people like Pat, Ian and Karl in it. Thank you guys. Hopefully the drama isn't too thick. Stay strong.

The two funniest thing about Mad Dog: 1. His opening point was "Karl WHO???? Never heard of him!" And he himself has 300 subscribers. 300. 2. He acted like sealed video games were the hill he was prepared to die on, definitely not a speculative market.. and hes out of video games now, and into VHS and movie posters. He knew exactly what the market was and was planning to jump soon all along.

These clowns can collect all the sealed games they want. I play my games.

When I saw Karl's video this week, my first and only thought was "I can not WAIT to hear Pat's response to this crap" and as usual you do not disappoint. Thank you! PS: Had to add something you just mentioned from Mad Dog's video -- when he said "people who aren't even collectors gobbled it up" I said this in Karl's comments too -- I've been a collector since the 90's and I still remember when you could take a $20 bill to FuncoLand and leave with 50 NES and SNES games. I've seen prices rise, I've seen prices fall, but until these speculators came along, I never saw them rise ASTRONOMICALLY overnight. We didn't just gobble up Karl's video, we saw what these sealed game collectors are doing, and now we see people trying to sell dirt common Atari 2600 games for $25 at pawn shops because they've been convinced all this stuff is made of gold when it's NOT.

I'm British and let me state categorically - there's no way we'd rip the top off King Tut's sarcophagus.

Just in case anyone wanted to know just how fragile that investor/collector group is, we have that guy’s video.

If that guy cares so much about owning those sealed games, it'd be on his best interest that their value tanks so he can add more games to he's treasured collection for less money. All the games I own are now worth 6 to 10x what I payed for them, some are 100x what I payed. I have no intent on selling them and I wish their price would decrease drastically so I can go back to buying awesome games for cheap.

"Mad Dog" seems like the kind of guy who sells you your own stereo.

I've had one of these clowns coming in the store and they were flashing their collection on their phones and they had some pieces with them, I just talked about the games and how fun they were and they litterally knew nothing about them, only how rare and mystical they were. I moved on to my next customer, they were insulted and yelled at me for ignoring them. Go wank in your money!

This dude isn't a collector, he's an investor. He nor the people running WATA actually care about gaming as a hobby or art, they view it as a way to make money. I have been playing games since I was 4, I collect games I care about. I'm going for a full GameCube set, I'm half way there. I could care less about getting some heavy hitters like Path of Radiance graded. I actually want the option to play it.

As a person who has collected videogames in the past (for nostalgia, not money) I can safely say to newcomers who want to experience these games DON'T BOTHER. You can get all the relevent games on modern systems for a fraction of the prices and in most cases in compilations and for everything else there is emulation. Don't be a sheep, have money to eat!

Pat: "I don't like attacking rich people for growing up with money..." Ian: "I do." LMAO, love you Ian.

Hearing “ignoring what Pat said positive about WATA” makes you laugh pretty damn hard when you’ve followed this podcast for years.

I was awaiting your response, especially after hearing him use you guys to defend the shenanigans going on with WATA and Heritage. This did not disappoint.

I don't see the value in SEALED collections. Complete-in-box in pristine condition? Sure. But Sealed in box is Schroedingers Game... I can say that 99/100 times the game is in the sealed box. But I have purchased a SEALED copy of FEAR 2 from the store I worked at, freshly shipped... only to find a Lost Planet demo disc inside. I also bought a Switch "The World Ends With You" to discover no game in it at all! Sealed is useless to me because without opening the box, you have no idea if you even have any game at all!

The funniest part of that guys video is at the end he basically negates everything he said by revealing he is in fact an investor and has money tied up in WATA...

I've been building my NES collection slowly for about 25 years now. Never understood collecting boxes or even manuals or games you don't play. Seeing this stuff makes me glad I'm not apart of that world. Its all about enjoying these games.

I liked all the drama club hand gestures and how smug he was.

I hate people like that. They ruin the hobby for everyone else. Don't let anyone confuse what it is. It is a hobby. Some consider it a lifestyle or a personality, but when people use it as an investment it ruins it for everyone.

See the thing is you guys aren't winning this argument because you don't have a dark background, music playing, and you didn't play any clips from movies or tv shows. Me smart smart need funny reference to agree with man. Edit: i didn't realize the dude only had 600 subscribers, He's definitely just replying to a video that has millions of views just so he can get the truth out there! Surely He's not doing it to ride the tail of it! Any engagement is good engagement am I right?

Listening to this knob end a second time wasn't any easier. I'm glad you guys added your thoughts to Karl's. Thanks guys

It's pretty crazy how many people are willing to lie and libel you just for a fruitless smokescreen for the sealed video game investor community. You can tell how terrified they are about people waking up.

These are the same people that ruined comic books as a hobby.

I've been watching Pat for 8 years on and off. Pat is one of the most honest, direct, wholesome, game collectors in the community and I love the fact that he does what he does.

Mad dog? More like SAD DOG. right guys? Lol

I won't ever trust the guy who has only sealed GRADED items on his shelf and claims to be a collector.

I was waiting for this. As someone that has been watching you since Pat the NES punk, all the flea market madness episodes, the video game years, and clips from the podcast on KZfaq… my jaw was on the floor with the way you were represented in that Maddog video. Unbelievable.

It’s like that simpsons where Homer gets framed for sexual harassment and he goes on a tv interview to clear his name, only for the tape to get cut so it seems like he’s saying “sweet can”

No game out there is legitimately worth a million dollars. The sports card market has been a market of incremental value for years and a Gem mint Jordan rookie card selling for 100,000 dollars does not surprise me one bit but any Nintendo game selling for that amount does not make sense. The most any vhs that can sell is 10,000 bucks which would be a copy of tales from the quadead zone and absolutely nothing else.

I've been waiting for this since Karl revealed that they roped Pat into this as a full source, not realizing that he wasn't really ever a source at all (no offense). Karl had a huge number of other references and people that were in the loop, but to rope Pat into it because he was a collector himself...

This goes way beyond the video game industry. Tons of gen Z/gen x made a boatload in crypto, memestocks, and tech. They spent their money on anything they wanted. Guess what they wanted - the stuff from their childhood. They wanted it to collect AND to play. Both. They created scarcity which creates value. Then the leeches and resellers and “investors” leech the leftover pennies off of one another. This happened across industries and was particularly acute in collectibles of all kinds.

I suppose you can take solace in the fact that the same people who claim you're irrelevant are the same ones who lose their minds whenever you say anything...

A sarcophagus is not a bed, they aren't meant for sleeping in 🤣

"We used to champion our heroes" he says as a clip plays of Hulk Hogan marching down the ramp. What a cornball lol

I've long considered Pat an expert. From his own channel to the Video Game Years to the podcast. Pat knows what's up. He's a true collector. I HIGHLY respect him Same with Ian. And now the same with Karl. Stay strong, guys! Keep doing what you do! Your voices NEED to be in this community.

The chrome app for restoring the YT dislike counter still works and yes that Mad Dog video lying about Karl and Pat is still getting destroyed.

Remember when you could buy loose SMBs for less than a dollar

Finally. Been looking forward to your response, Pat.

Million dollar game he is holding there. Pat you better back off 😂

The biggest issue I have with the Mad Dog video is, you are supposed to say, up front, when your video is sponsored by a company and it is clear that video was sponsored by WATA.

Bald guy DELIBERATELY EDITED THAT CLIP to create a deception. It's despicable.

So, I'm watching a video of two guys watching a video about a guy watching a video about a guy who watched a video and made his own. Now that's meta

It always amuses me when someone cuts up video/audio or any material in order to make someone else look bad or to change a narrative just because of how ridiculous that line of thinking is. I guess these people assume nobody will fact check anything or look at the actual source material. In all fairness though the ones watching guys like "Mad Dog" and taking everything he says as undeniable truth probably weren't that smart to begin with 🤷‍♀ Keep calling these people out on their bs Pat! 👍

“collecting for a year” 🤣🤣🤣 lightweight, when you have been collecting for decades, than we can talk, else you don’t really understand this hobby/market.

That seal though

I appreciate you guys talking about this subject

All the guy could do is attack the person. Not the facts.

If I had to choose between the greatest hits version of Spyro the Dragon and the version without that, I'll take either. I want to play it not collect it.

He spent thousands of hours on his hobby. Jeez, tough break. I hope he got through it ok.

He's not a collector. He's an investor. And I'm not talking like investor in the community or something. No, I'm talking big company tier of investment. The kind of investor who's willing to defame, lie and cheat in order to secure that his investment gives profit. So glad you made this recording, pat.

Lol Moby should have stuck with beefing with Eminem...

These guys are the kind of people that call themselves developers when they are just house flippers. There is a major distinction.

Yeah that nerdy girl collector has done some shady stuff in the comic world 🗺️ these influencers try to manipulate the markets 🤷‍♂️ it’s just a pump an dump for them

In my country, we have this saying: "When you kick a rat, it tries to bite back."

The more prices drop, the happier *true* collectors will be. “Mad dog” clearly ain’t in it for the love. Props to you guys and Karl for calling out this BS, hopefully these investor types lose a ton of money and it drives away speculators and the rest of us can all go back to buying games at reasonable prices

Whether you said it or not, I couldn't possibly consider the misquote on opening games *"slander"* I'm a video game collector. I have been collecting for more than 25 years, and I *absolutely say* that people should rip open their sealed games. If the definition of a "collector" is someone who doesn't care about that actual game inside, and just wants to make a profit, then "collectors" can go **** themselves.

I haven't tuned into your channel in a while, but I had to show up with some love for this. Thank you for standing up for our hobby.

The best way to show you're a collector is to never play the games and then sell them...

Actual collectors were pissed that these jerks were trying to turn their hobby into an unobtainable pipe dream.

I like how Bruce Willis wannabe brings up comics with Pat's "Amazing Fantasy" 15 rant, but fails to mention why Pat brought it up...people are being priced out of the market by "collectors" who want to artificially drive up the market by hoarding

This video has more views than Mad Dog's entire channel 😂

Man I love that seal in the thumbnail

If seal collecting wasn't a get rich quick scheme, they should be happier if sealed game prices dropped from tens of thousands of dollars to a few hundred dollars in right??????

That's why I love your show and didn't know who that looser was.

my only issue with sealed cart games is some of them have a battery that can go bad and leak and then you paid 800$ for nothing

Man i remember 15+ years ago when I only seen collectible cards like sporting cards and mtg being graded by PSA and BVG but now people seem to be grading anything and everything, I was blown away when you said people are grading VHS tapes! Thats insane!

They should seal all those Munk bars in plastic to protect people from accidentally eating them. Great video

I love the otter in the thumbnail lol

Been watching pats vids for a while now and he's as authentic as it gets. 👌

I mentioned it under Karl's video too, but from the outset of that guy's video when he says are games an investible asset is everything what's wrong with this current system of economy and thought. Reducing everything to an investment is mind rot, a cancer and a blight on humanity and needs to be dealt with and left where it belongs: the trash heap of history.

Off topic but I always like the start of Karl's videos. "Hello you absolute legends"

This guy Maddog sounds like a proper Colletionist 😁

Honestly I've been following this ridiculous saga since the stories of the WATA Grading Company started making rounds, especially with Pat the NES Punk here, honestly the fact that Pat was the first or one of the first people to point out suspicions that WATA was up to no good Is quite an impressive feat have under your belt, honestly I've been having concern for the Retro Market since the whole outrageous pricing for old games have gotten so stupid that for some games I hold near and dear to me and for systems I collect for have been made grossly unobtainable thanks to these prices and making Piracy look real friendly.

I’ve collected a lot of different things throughout my life, and I’ve made use of all of them. Holding on to a bunch of untouched anything, whether it be Ferraris or action figures, is hoarding, imho. To each their own, naturally

Nice to see the "rare""expensive" retro games crowd is still around Making old games into gold prices

it bothered me that karl acted like this was a spirited and friendly debate meanwhile mad dog was pulling every lie and twisted sentence he could muster out to smear pat and karl and acted in nothing but bad faith. but ultimately it shows that he's the bigger person between him and mad dog

This explains a lot. Thanks! Just subbed

Great video guys I had no idea this was even going on... I would love to hear your opinions on this documentary I found and now know, thanks to you guys, it has to do with them responding to Karl's original video. It's called Rarity: Retro Video Game Collecting in the Modern Era Looking back at it now that I know all this, it seems like a puff piece to say how awesome Wata and Deniz Kahn are. If you guys have not seen it, give it a watch and give it a talk session for us all. I also wonder if the KZfaqrs that appear in it knew the Wata Deniz stuff was going to be in the final film?

Man props to this guy for making the video calling them out on their video's bullshit bit by bit.

always liked you pat! known about you and watched on and off for 12 years i love that you’re still killing it

I used to collect retro games. Really just wanted the games I had in my youth that I lost over the years. I never owned anything that was particularly rare but even then it was too damn expensive. I sold most of them and just buy mini consoles or play the retro games on the switch. In the end playing them is the important part.

I'm a fan of Karl's videos, as well as your podcast. I loved the clip of Mad Dog insinuating that investors are "real collectors" while Pat, who has been collecting for literal decades and been heavily involved with knowing and understanding the market & hobby for all that time. That on its own was enough to show that Mad Dog was either lying, or incredibly uninformed on the topic.

I had conversations about Karl Jobst's video and WATA with a few friends who are not game collectors at all and barely even considered "gamers". That's exactly how much coverage that video got.

"settle down!" lmao

What sucks is the impact this has had on collectors over all these years.. I love sealed games (not graded) of particular titles i owned as a child, the power i feel to be able to get something back and then use it again, because i enjoyed it so much and regretting either letting it go or losing it. Now i see those things, trapped in hard plastic, sitting on ebay for multiple thousands of dollars. Its disgusting. It never used to be like this, game collecting has always been huge, but once anything hits social media or the news its gg - ALL the insects come out of hiding to piss on the parade.

Two things I want to say… 1) huge thanks to you and Ian for staying on this topic. I have agreed with absolutely everything you’ve both said. 2) I’m a gamer AND a collector of around 20-25 years. Is it just me or is it too fkn much to ask that these people actually play a game or two? These sealed-only people are just such a bunch of assholes. Let’s be honest here, these rich folks are just pissed off that the rest of us don’t seem to know our place.

The best way to fight this is to break them seals... it's honestly getting crazy for graded games. Would love to get a few of these seal games and break them open.

Imagine shouting at poor Pat for telling the truth she has some nerve 😂

When Pat says at 17:40 about the dentist guy, "anyone can spend money", I would like to point out that it's even easier to spend other people's money.

I refuse to call Mad Dog a collector. He is a speculator looking for a quick buck.

This guy looks like he is from the Brotherhood of Nod

This review was well done gentleman

I've run across many modern era resellers that are serious dinks on top of an army of narcissists flipping retro games for profit. They get super defensive any time anyone brings up market manipulation or fraud.

You guys look healthy! Great energy. Wonderful content. Keep it coming!! Thank you fellas.

Really happy to see you address this Pat. Also really hoping you can cover the Top Hat Gaming / Lady Decade eBagging scam. Funky Spectrum on KZfaq has been covering it as well, but someone with your reach and research knowledge would really expose them for the disgusting people they are.