Why Aemond Is Secretly The Father of Helaena and Aegon II's Children 😨
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Did you know in the books Aemond might be the father of Helaena's children? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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@indymaximus1566 17 күн бұрын
"would never plot against his brother" yeah, this video aged well
@kbuttstadt 16 күн бұрын
Lol
@ananthakrishnanbaji7956 15 күн бұрын
😂😂 Lol
@user-rj8fh8ev5m 15 күн бұрын
Lol 😂😂
@mitsukai7192 15 күн бұрын
Did Aemond plot against his brother in the book, or was that changed for the show?
@user-rj8fh8ev5m 15 күн бұрын
@@mitsukai7192 The show. in the Books he is very loyal to the crown and has no want to be king. he has a good relationship with Aegon as well.
@vladislavtschumi1921 6 ай бұрын
The only show where it is wrong NOT to sleep with your sister
@reesehendricksen1871 6 ай бұрын
No no no, still wrong, still gross.
@HK-gm8pe 6 ай бұрын
yeap...but it makes sense if you look back at our history then you also see that royal families have always been inbred as f*ck , Cleoipatra is a good example, she was sooo inbred, thats why I am sayiong that yeah Viserys needed to marry again but he should have married someone from his family...then this war wouldnt have happened....but since he let outsiders into his family...ofcourse Hightowers want the throne for themselves
@Orcaluv26 6 ай бұрын
The Targaryens may have a valid excuse for it, but keeping the family tree a bamboo schute is still wrong.
@maylabrown4584 6 ай бұрын
@@reesehendricksen1871It’s not wrong whatsoever, it’s a tradition held since literal magic times.
@tiarezavaleta8850 6 ай бұрын
Well there should be more children with genetic disorders in the show and in the books. That's for sure.
@eric24567 6 ай бұрын
Alicent would literally die from multiple bursted aneurysms if this is even brought up as speculation.
@renata.g 6 ай бұрын
It would not be a bad idea 😂
@thalmoragent9344 6 ай бұрын
Aemond was 12 when the kids were born 😅
@lichking918 6 ай бұрын
@@thalmoragent9344 He was 13, and he was only a year younger than Helaena, who had already given birth to twins at the age of 14
@michaelnkomphela8231 6 ай бұрын
@@lichking918so you are HBO? 😂😂😂😂😂
@gennaronarducci1333 6 ай бұрын
She would probably have a heart attack or something 😅
@Jdmx_7 17 күн бұрын
Aemond is loyal to his brother Aemond: ‘dracarys’
@Ale55andr082 23 сағат бұрын
not in the book...
@Ayrus171 4 сағат бұрын
Stupid show,read the book,even after the war aegon order 2 huge statues of his brothers to be placed as he loved his brother and his brothers never betrayed him.rooks rest was an accident because maelys and sufyre were intertwined
@Jdmx_7 Сағат бұрын
@@Ayrus171 no it clearly wasn’t a accident read the books all you want they can make someone alive in the show that’s dead in the books
@Ayrus171 Сағат бұрын
@@Jdmx_7 yea stupid show
@KingSlayer_. 6 ай бұрын
Gives a whole new meaning to "A son for a son."🤔🤔
@VulCitres 5 ай бұрын
That makes sense 🤌
@cynthiagutierrez779 5 ай бұрын
Deamon would be the one to find out.
@etcjr24 5 ай бұрын
wait this actually makes since now
@yessica5231 5 ай бұрын
Especially when it's rumored alicent slept with daemon and maybe aemond is his son?!
@sofiavenancioaraujo5746 4 ай бұрын
That’s one of the reasons why I think Helaena’s children are Aemond’s children and not Aegon’s
@pennylane6185 6 ай бұрын
The first few seconds got me like "so Aemond impregnated Aegon"
@Dia17ch 5 ай бұрын
Same! So, a bit much omegaverse for us today
@marsonfill 27 күн бұрын
Something like that
@pennylane6185 26 күн бұрын
@@Dia17ch I don't even read omegaverse ajsjjddnfnkfg. My brainrot is through the roof
@felicitymorris5548 26 күн бұрын
💀💀
@misswednesday299 6 ай бұрын
The GOT universe has always been about grand ironies, so I'd be down for it.
@julieloucalcote1368 2 ай бұрын
Me too! Love this theory!
@ladyvader2648 2 ай бұрын
I hope the show does this
@smerkz1378 Ай бұрын
Your sick
@babbisp1 29 күн бұрын
@@smerkz1378 Her sick what?
@user-md2mw3px6z 15 күн бұрын
And she probably would have liked him better.
@MegaKnight2012 6 ай бұрын
That would be great poetic irony, meaning both sides are fighting to have bastards inherit the throne, not just the ones Rhaenyra is asccused of having. Also, poor Haelena, her mom really stuck her in such a bad situation.
@xxwhispersxx2856 6 ай бұрын
No, it's the stupidest theory that was built out of absolutely nothing.
@ssommers1341 6 ай бұрын
Rhaenyra is royalty, she didn’t marry it. Her children would’ve been in line for the throne no matter who fathered them.
@shania991 5 ай бұрын
@@ssommers1341THIS the moment he named her heir nun of that other shit mattered 😂🤦🏾♀️
@wwanca3771 5 ай бұрын
@@ssommers1341if the father is the person she married yes not if they are bastards
@lol-oe1md 5 ай бұрын
@@ssommers1341No. Bastards can't inherit before trueborns. You see how it went with Jon snow
@Littlereddevil94 6 ай бұрын
Aegon didn't want to marry Helena. I wouldn't be surprised if Aegon told Aemond to do what he wanted with his wife.
@hamzamahmood9565 6 ай бұрын
It's much better if Aegon is unaware. We see in the show that after he was crowned, he was actually happy to be king. I don't think he'll knowingly allow Aemonds kids to take the throne after him.
@mesa577 6 ай бұрын
aemond was 12 when the first kids came out, if i remember correctly.
@xxwhispersxx2856 6 ай бұрын
He was eleven when the babies were born. ELEVEN.
@happilyevernever4289 6 ай бұрын
No it wouldn't. Aemond would already be distraught over the fact that his impulsiveness got two of his nephews killed. Him being the secret father actually takes away from him being a loyal brother and son. And it also takes away a lot of agency from Aegon when he learns his son is killed.
@thalmoragent9344 6 ай бұрын
@@hamzamahmood9565 That doesn't fit the theme of either character at all, nor is it alluded too
@wowthatsbs 6 ай бұрын
I love the Aemond character, reminds me of a fictional Richard III, with a hidden desire to be king, yet fiercely loyal to his brother the actual King, never undermining him, fighting in his battles, his martial prowess and seemingly deep affection for his one love, his sister, such was Richard’s devotion to Anne Neville. Even how they both meet their ends in battle at young ages. Even the physical defect from everybody else, Aemond only one eye, Richard severe scoliosis. Love how GRRM always borrows from real people.
@queenxx1690 6 ай бұрын
He is not based on Richard III Tyrion is Daenerys and Jon on Henry VII and Elisabeth of York they are mix
@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive 6 ай бұрын
Even the tragedy of the civil war is similar to real life. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert put great effort into uniting Europe through royal marriages into the royal families of Denmark, Greece, Belgium, Germany, Spain, Romania and more with her own grandaughter married to the Russian Tzar Nicholas II. Still, after her death, her own grandson, Wilhelm II went to war against Russia and her other grandson King George V who was the king of England during WW1. I know George RR Martin was inspired by the Wars of the Roses but he is a student of history so even if it isn't a direct reference, the similarities are there.
@alexandrarivera2332 6 ай бұрын
Actually your like spot on with the wanting to be kind but being loyal to his brother. But it’s not only Aemond who was in this situation but also Daemon.
@thomasleonardis711 6 ай бұрын
Spoilers bro. Spoilers. 😊
@thatoneblackdude3333 4 ай бұрын
@@queenxx1690 Dany is more Henry 7 then Jon she like him is literally a exciled princess who's claim to the throne is both strong and weak at the same time .
@aegorbittersteel2154 6 ай бұрын
It would be a twist and ironic that Aegon's legitimate kids aren't his and that Greens say how unacceptable it was for Rhaenyra's kids to be the heirs when they secretly have the same thing.
@MT-iw6sl 6 ай бұрын
Sure but this isn’t a “did you know, in the books” idea, it’s literally never mentioned or hinted at in “Fire and Blood”. This channel just makes shit up for no reason. Aemond being the father of Helaena’s children is a show-only idea. I don’t understand why the show runners keep changing the story, like Laenor being alive or Daemon killing his first wife. Drama? EDIT: Daemon, not Daemond
@misswednesday299 6 ай бұрын
I think it's pretty obvious that there are going to be differences and discrepancies between mediums (books vs shows). I say give them creative license. @@MT-iw6sl
@HK-gm8pe 6 ай бұрын
yep...also Aemonds "I am next in the line " would make sense
@bailing77 6 ай бұрын
Yes but Aemond is a Targaryen , Rhaenyra's Lover wasn't.
@klove2842 6 ай бұрын
It isn't completely the same thing tho. Aemons kids are still pure blood. Rhaenyras were not.
@jamescoleman8954 15 күн бұрын
Well, if that was the case, he would’ve really went nuts when the boy was beheaded in his bed
@finbarr64 6 ай бұрын
It would be a good story point if they actually developed Aemonds and Helaenas relationship but they haven't shared a even single line of dialogue on-screen so if they did it'd just be cheap fan service.
@ashleyelisabeth4 5 ай бұрын
Fans just assume this based on their shared looks with one another or the fact Aemond says he would've been a better wife to Helaena than his brother. It was either said to Alicent or Ser Criston Cole, I forget
@K000H 5 ай бұрын
Wouldn't be fan service at all. It's the world of GoT. Aemond and Helaena secretly having an affair and having bastard kids is the least shocking story point to throw in. George likes to have his stories "rhyme". If Helaena's kids are in fact Aemond's, then that would mean both Rhaenyra and Alicent are fighting to have bastards inherit the throne. An eye for an eye. A son for a son.
@finbarr64 5 ай бұрын
@@K000H I agree with you it would be keeping with GRRM style but HOTD isn't Fire and Blood it's an adaptation and the fact is the show writers have done zero work to establish even a semblance of a relationship between these two. Glances across a banquet table just doesn't cut it for the kind of shipcest twist fans are thirsting for.
@K000H 5 ай бұрын
@@finbarr64 I would agree with that if the relations was between characters that wouldn't normally be placed in such a plot position with each other and it's only the shipper side of the fans that obsess over it. But i'd honestly be more shocked in this case if the Aemond and Helaena theory wasn't an actual thing. I personally have seen a lot of hints in the show of there being something happening with those two as apposed to with Aegon. I prefer subtlety over being spoon fed, myself. Aemond saying he'd gladly marry her if only he could, Helaena lighting up when he enters the room, both of them standing together when facing possible death. The world of GoT is best when every choice they make on screen makes sense in hindsight.
@extraplain2412 2 ай бұрын
You don't know what fan service means.
@hardrockfreak1337 18 күн бұрын
"Never plots against him. . ."
@Ayrus171 3 сағат бұрын
He never did it in the books but the show just wants to make greens look trash
@John14710 Ай бұрын
It’s fine considering Daemon has already turned the family tree into a confused mobius loop
@kimberlyhaire8262 6 ай бұрын
I think he also was upset when she danced with her nephew.
@Alejojojo6 3 ай бұрын
Its her nephew not her cousin. Helaena and Aemond are Rhaenyra's sibblings and Jacaerys is Rhaenyra's son.
@kimberlyhaire8262 3 ай бұрын
I fixed it.
@perna_longa_comunista 13 күн бұрын
Ele literalmente só fez isso: 👁️👄🔹
@dre1978 4 ай бұрын
Honestly, I'd believe it. Aegon never wanted to marry his sister, I wouldn't be surprised if he's aware of it but does nothing about it cause he truly doesn't care about her or the kingdom much plus it means he doesn't have to sleep with her
@user-bn6ht5eg4q 6 ай бұрын
I doubt it since Aemond is like 11 when the kids are born
@BreLana 4 ай бұрын
Im glad Im not the only one thinking this. Because the idea came to me during the show... Aemond makes it clear he would do his duty, when Aegon talks about how weird she is & doesnt want to marry her. *AND* later on, Aemond makes it sound as if he'd be next in line if Aegon was out of the way. As if Aegon doesn't have children. And that's when I started wondering, why is Aemond acting as if he's next & skipping Aegon's kids... Unless... They are his!
@rachellorenzetti4377 Ай бұрын
In any case he would be regent and could remarry Helaena
@khadejaakter295 27 күн бұрын
Yes Aemond defended her. He used to say respect her, she is future queen and all. On the other hand Aegon found her creepy.
@e.9491 25 күн бұрын
Also when jace offered to helaena to dance with him during the dinner, he seemed so jealous and he attempted to insult jace
@daith_izumi 5 ай бұрын
I want the theory that Aemond and Helaena actually truly love each other with a special fondness for each other
@Lil-Dragon 6 ай бұрын
I'd be okay with it only because Helaena deserves better than she gets, otherwise book changes for the show I don't normally like. The one green who doesn't deserve whats coming imo.
@nicksmithnutmilk 6 ай бұрын
Nah . Otto , Larys , Aemond got what they deserve but the other Greens were just victims to be honest ( especially Aegon )
@annabellthedoll9953 5 ай бұрын
@@nicksmithnutmilk Suure.
@_Asvaria 5 ай бұрын
@@annabellthedoll9953The user above you is actually quite right, both books and show stated quite clearly that Aegon didn’t wanted to be a king, he knew he’s not the right material and wanted to be left in peace but while book Aegon was forced to become a king because of laws, in the show there is that whole aspect of prophecy that Alicent misunderstood. When it comes to Alicent then again, she was given away to be king’s wife (women on Westeros can’t choose who they’ll marry, Rhaenyra could because she’s a princess), gave him children and then became his nurse. In the end she accepted that Rhaenyra will rule but then she misunderstood what Viserys was saying (remember, besides him and Rhaenyra nobody knew about it) so she believed making Aegon a king was the last will of her dead husband. Alicent is not very active during the war, same as Helaena who commited you know what. Even some of Blacks didn’t wanted this war. If you look at the show, Rhaenyra wanted peace until Daemon didn’t came with his bullshit. She only decided to go fully into it after Lucerys died whitch, as show showed, was an accident. So yeah, a lot of characters from both sides are a victims of ambitions and pride that few crazy people had. Still, none of this sides are good, the biggest victims were people of smallfolk who were massacred by both Blacks and Greens during their fights
@Phizzo4real 4 ай бұрын
And ser Crispin... i mean Criston? 😂@@nicksmithnutmilk
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
I know, I love her, what a sweetheart 😭
@robertrealaustralian 2 ай бұрын
In a scene where king visaryes dies and sir Christian Cole and aemond enter the room with queen alicent and Helena Helena's face lights up when she sees aemond. Maybe it is true I have never seen her light up like that for her husband. I hate the greens.
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
I really want her to have something, just anything, before she gets shelved. Phia is terrific, I don't like seeing her get the short end of the stick. Sure her character has the most reactionary scene in the entire book, but come on... One scene? She has a character, I like her 😢
@shambhav9534 27 күн бұрын
Does that necessitate the logical leap to erotic love?
@cilipizdrik9231 3 ай бұрын
And maybe thats why they killed Helaenas son not just because he was Aegons “son”, but because he was Aemonds son, aka son of Lukes killer. “A son for a son”.
@Caraxes_RoguePrince Ай бұрын
No a son for a son is for Aegon to feel the pain rhaenyra did
@SE-gs6gd Ай бұрын
Dont you mean Alicent @@Caraxes_RoguePrince
@Caraxes_RoguePrince 17 күн бұрын
@@SE-gs6gduh no I meant who I said
@AprilMorris-sm8gg 29 күн бұрын
Have you noticed the way Helaena looked at Aemond when he would walk in the room in season 1? I had this thought about them since then....
@gnperdue 6 ай бұрын
This would be very on-brand for ol’ George RR
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
I mean, it's straight out of A World of Ice and Fire. The reason why Daemon wants to marry Rhaenyra on the show is very much Daemon Blackfyre's reason to want to marry his half sister: To gain his brother's "blessing" and feel acknowledged. For Blackfyre, he was a legitimized bastard so of course it makes sense why he needed more validation, but for our Daemon, he was an orphan who pretty much substituted his parents with his older brother.. So I get it, I really do.
@caddiewallace-jones7756 4 ай бұрын
And don’t forget, Aemond flat out says he’d have married Helaena “if only mother had betrothed us”
@Solitude1990 3 ай бұрын
They only show scenes that matter to the plot. There was a scene where the brothers were still boys, looking at their sister and discussing her as well as the future. Aegon said he doesn’t think he’ll be able to perform his duties as a husband to his sister, Aemond said he’d do it(while looking at his sister with love). That scene alone confirms the theory. There’s no other reason why they’d put that scene in if it wasn’t to foreshadow Aegon’s children might not be his. HOWEVER, there’s another scene way later when they’re grown where Helena says Aegon leaves her alone except for sometimes when he’s really drunk; implying he has tried to do his duties while really drunk. No way to know for sure, except the children have straight hair like Aemond and Helena, while Aegon had curly hair
@3s_muycar0 Ай бұрын
Personally my interpretation of that one scene where the boys talk about Haelena, I think Aemond meant that he’d be fine to wed his sister simply bc it’d be his duty to produce heirs and secure his lineage on the throne. Idk from his looks to his demeanor, Aemond is basically Daemon 2.0. They both just want power and would do any thing to secure that😅 I mean we see how Daemon hardly looks out for anyone but himself, Aemond is of that same mindset
@thepope8240 Ай бұрын
@@3s_muycar0 and there's a theory where Alicent and Daemon once screwed and Aemond is the child.
@3s_muycar0 Ай бұрын
@@thepope8240 that I could see, especially since we seen that she been messing around with Criston for a min. I could see Alicent stepping out of her marriage here n there with other men
@zzulm Ай бұрын
When they are little aegon says that Helena is diferent and doesn't want to marry her and Aemon says that he would do his duty and marry her.
@mehdiben2647 Ай бұрын
I agree with you on this theory
@dawsongentry7938 6 ай бұрын
“A fun idea” sounds too much like me telling my girlfriend little theories about the show to try and make her get into it as deep as I am😂
@Kaboomboo Ай бұрын
It is also theorized Helena loved Aemond. And that when she found out he died in the battle with Daemon, she killed herself.
@Viktorreznov1942 Ай бұрын
*Aemomd looks at his sister* "oMg HeS tHe FaThEr"
@deezing 6 күн бұрын
The theory doesn't surprise me knowing about the nature of Targaryens
@Dani_1012 6 ай бұрын
It would be a fun twist but wouldn’t make sense since Aemond is with Alys Rivers later on
@HK-gm8pe 6 ай бұрын
well he can take a lover.... men in this world always have lovers :D Viserys was an excpetion also in the show Aemond says that he is next to the line for the throne...which isnt true cause Aegon has children but it would make sense if father of these children is actually Aemond
@byou5157 6 ай бұрын
Poor heleana also goes mad after blood and cheese… so it’s likely if aemond is the true father of her children he would seek comfort elsewhere knowing he can’t help her. Grief makes people do strange things.
@captainv6422 6 ай бұрын
Since when do that stop anyone from having affairs with other womens ? Specially in GOT universe.
@jaafarchaoui185 6 ай бұрын
Maybe he also goes mad after blood and cheese
@jennat776 6 ай бұрын
That's AFTER Haelena is too mentally broken to even feed herself.
@apacalypsagon3758 6 ай бұрын
I doubt that considering his mom raised in the faith of the seven. Not to mention it undermines his loyalty to aegon. He even takes a lover during the war which is awkward if his fancy towards helena is even a thing.Even giving no inclination how he reacted when she killed herself.
@nekora1490 5 ай бұрын
The fact that it doesn't say how he reacts is because he was already dead... like the day before or a few hours before her, if I remember correctly.
@jxmartinez20m15 5 ай бұрын
He was dead
@januskhazar237 4 ай бұрын
you just spoiled it for the show watchers that she kills herself thank you very much how kind with no spoiler warning
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
Yeah but that was Aemon and Naerys, and I'm pretty sure they boned IMHO. Aegon IV was not high or something, he knew Daeron was not his, and probably felt shitty that his perfect kid, Daemon, was not gonna be king and was for all intents and purposes considered a "bastard". Also, remember that Helaena's male children, Jaehaerys and Maelor both die. I don't know what the deal with him and Alys is, that's part of the allure.. that we were gonna find out. But Helaena was said to be out of it after blood and cheese, could be why he took on a new lover. Considering how much of a classic beauty Alys's actress is, looks like they're going the route of "Lionel Strong's daughter". Let's see, I am excited!
@ginger5872 Ай бұрын
@@januskhazar237 People who spoil it for everyone are the ultimate pick mes .
@flekzyyt9709 6 ай бұрын
Ayo that last picture tho... chill daddy chill
@averenarel 6 ай бұрын
he was younger than 12 when the twins were born
@happilyevernever4289 6 ай бұрын
Yeah he wouldn't even be producing sperm let alone know how to do it until later on. Aegon, on the other hand, has been upto no good. His mum can vouch for that.
@januskhazar237 27 күн бұрын
is this number from the books?
@averenarel 26 күн бұрын
@@januskhazar237 yes
@piratesswoop725 Күн бұрын
@@januskhazar237 Yes, book Aemond was born in 110 and the twins were born in 123, so Aemond is no older than 13 when they're both and would be 11 or 12 when they were conceived.
@xmynationalanthemx 5 ай бұрын
Aemond & Helaena also die on the same day, hours apart.
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
It's so sad though. Everybody dies... The dance of dragons.... Just terrible
@narczo765 17 күн бұрын
"Never plots against his brother" LOLL
@cincyfanjunglecity9871 18 күн бұрын
I don’t know what it is , but I feel sorry for Aegon really. Just watching the way his mother is toward him , no wonder why he’s a lost individual. To watch your son grieve his murdered infant son , and not do anything to comfort him , not even a word toward him , that’s cold af. Even his own brother could care less about him , but I understand that feeling is mutual between those two. We all know he had issues with his father by never feeling loved or excepted.
@lnewell1974 13 күн бұрын
But that's the thing with Allicent, she doesn't seem to love her children. They seem to be pawn in the game of thrones where is raniera may not have wanted to be married but you can tell that she loves her children and she tells themselves and she sits and she watched them play with their dragon toys and it's just like you can see where raniera has affection for her children and that they know she loves them. Allicent has no motherly bond with her children.
@SheppardOfNumenor 5 ай бұрын
Aemond is Osferth in the Last Kingdom (Alfred’s bastard son) and Halaena is Aelfwynn the daughter of Aethelflaed (Flaed is the daughter of Alfred). I find that amusing.
@Panda72021 14 күн бұрын
And even Aelfwynn's legitimacy was questioned by Aethelred in TLK, he speculated that Eric was her true father. (Still better than whatever the 'Sweet Home Alabama' is going on with the Targaryens)
@prasetyarestu.n10 4 ай бұрын
The tresome image at the end too 😂
@issankayi3515 26 күн бұрын
"the show should adapt it" sometimes we over estimate our place as fans.
@WERTYUIO821 2 ай бұрын
Aemond was 13 when Heleana's first born was born... .
@greendayfecer 2 ай бұрын
Awkward.
@fortheloveofcats2462 Ай бұрын
And Helaena was 14 or 15.
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
Wasn't that around the same time Aegon took him to cough cough... I mean, episode 9 was pretty good when you forget about the one scene that the network probably dictated, to have something "bombastic" happen, and the writers' team probably had to oblige.
@piratesswoop725 Күн бұрын
@@samf.s.7731 Well, yeah, but he would've been 12 at most, as young as 11 when the twins would'be been conceived, so that line kind of kills the theory.
@NWO4LYFBABY 6 ай бұрын
Nope this should not be added at all. And there is no theory from books which supports this. Aegon children have similar looks of their father and if they add this stuff then it'll end the whole point of Greens fighting against Blacks
@GaiaJenda 6 ай бұрын
Pretty sure there in fire and blood the idea is at least mentioned…
@MT-iw6sl 6 ай бұрын
@@Philipp.of.Swabia Mushroom does not spread this theory, because it’s never mentioned in “Fire and Blood.” This is a show-only idea hinted at by the show runners because they keep pouring unnecessary drama into the story, and it’s honestly kinda annoying. Laenor being secretly alive (even though he has a dragon, so it’s a massive plot hole), Daemon killing his first wife, Larys being comically over the top with his “I murdered my family” vibe, just constant little changes to the story to make it more DRAMATIC for show-only viewers.
@laughingstorm7909 6 ай бұрын
I agree, this is not mentioned or even suggested in the books.
@ingainloggningsnamn 6 ай бұрын
Would just add another layer of irony, which has always been a great part of George's writing.
@ingainloggningsnamn 6 ай бұрын
@@MT-iw6slDaemon killing his wife was the one change that didn't make any sense and was utterly retarded. Laenor being secretly alive was weird as well. Other than that.. yeah I dno it was quite good. Except the random murders i the first episode which was chaotically retarded.
@Menckenperson Ай бұрын
I listened to fire and blood covered to cover at least a dozen times and I’ve never sniffed a whiff of that.
@DavidLightbringer 2 ай бұрын
this is not a fun idea it's just impossible
@emiliejayne_st 3 ай бұрын
This is never once even hinted at in the book, but I think it definitely is in the tv show. It’s a similar situation for Queen Naerys Targaryen later on, as she preferred her brother Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, to her brother-husband King Aegon IV. Her children are also rumoured to be Aemon’s, I don’t suppose it should really matter either way, because whoever the father is, the children will be Targaryens anyway.
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
Yeah I don't see why some people get really upset at this. I suppose they don't understand it doesn't change the outcome anyway? It's been years, I hope they read the damn books... But knowing these people the way I do, yeah they didn't...
@panana6084 2 ай бұрын
Wait where is it even implied in the book? Never saw a single mention of that 😅
@know846 6 ай бұрын
Nooo , it has never hinted in the books ever
@spacegoat_3d801 5 ай бұрын
I’ll have to read again to make sure but I also don’t see where people got this from
@_Asvaria 5 ай бұрын
@@spacegoat_3d801From one line in the show, that’s where. It was never mentioned or even hinted in the books but show made few stupid changes that made problems, one other than this is Laenor being alive. He has to die anyway because otherwise Addam Velaryon can’t bond with Seasmoke.
@visenya8 5 ай бұрын
The only potential hint, and take this with a grain of salt, was the fact that Haelena's (apparent) suicide happened right after Aemond's death. So one can speculate that she killed herself because of it, and there was something more between the two of them. But beyond that I don't think there were any hints of them having any sort of romantic relationship in the book.
@spacegoat_3d801 5 ай бұрын
@@visenya8 wrong. She killed herself after Maelor (her youngest son) was killed by a mob
@visenya8 5 ай бұрын
@@spacegoat_3d801 no, she actually killed herself after Aemond's death. And one of the theories was that she had learned late about Maelor's death, and when she learned then she killed herself (which might be the truth). But it was in that order: Maelor, then Aemond, then Helaena. Which made me think maybe Aemond's death was the tipping point (if it was a suicide in the first place). But again a far fetched theory. :)
@jcnom6606 5 ай бұрын
Makes a son for a son hit on another level
@MirouSallow Ай бұрын
He's not. They're Aegon's children.
@thalmoragent9344 6 ай бұрын
This theory holds no water in the books or the show. Never once has it ever even been alluded too, and it doesn't fit the time/age/character of any of the individuals involved. Aegon may not like Helaena a whole lot, but he doesn't despise her by any means, and he's a "lusty-lad" regardless so, not hard to imagine he still did his thing with Helaena from time to time. This is just the wish of people who think "they're so cute together" or "I hope the greens have bastards in line to the Throne so we can excuse Rhaenyra's very obvious bastards from the argument"... Aegon is the father of his wife's kid's folks, calm down.
@vayne-he9yi 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, exactly. Completely bogus video and there is zero mention of this in the books (whereas other scandalous rumors would at least be mentioned by Mushroom). It's so funny that people just can't accept Aemond being loyal to his brother or his family and there has to be some ulterior motive. These being Aegon's kids is literally one of the biggest motivators for him in the war too so not only is this out of character for everyone involved but it's also just bad writing.
@theManishMuse 2 ай бұрын
In the show, it’s suggested that both brothers rape her. It’s not cute incest… it’s her powerlessness in this family system. I think the show will allude to it more in the coming season. Helps us sympathize and root for the empowered Rhaenarya and her kind, healthy, son.
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
@@vayne-he9yithe book is really ... Have you read the book? It's mushroom sexy fan fiction about the Targaryens for the love of God. He literally self inserted himself in a Daemon x Rhaenyra romance... The septon ain't great either because he wasn't there for a lot of it.
@vayne-he9yi Ай бұрын
@@samf.s.7731 The video says Helaena + Aemond is hinted at in the books as well, which is entirely untrue. I point out the video is being disingenuous. I'm confused as to what your point is, are you saying it was hinted at in F&B because it definitely was not. Hell, even in the show it's pretty much based on nothing.
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
@@vayne-he9yi I think it's a possibility that isn't debunked, but certainly not hinted at in the book. All 3 of Alicent 's children have the depth of a puddle in the books and are much more fleshed out on the show (Which I appreciate).
@loganwallace101 3 ай бұрын
Me before watching the video "what is this crazy theory", me after watching the video: "HOLY SHIT ITS TRUE"
@roxannpoor8770 5 ай бұрын
Those kids are Aemonds.
@Alba-jp8hc 5 ай бұрын
of course not, they Aegon's, the show's intro itself shows it
@roxannpoor8770 5 ай бұрын
@Alba-jp8hc idk man. You see the way Aemond looks at Heleana and those kids
@luisabergami4120 5 ай бұрын
Aemond was 12 when the twins were born.
@mynameisbrutus 5 ай бұрын
LITERALLY THIS
@jxmartinez20m15 5 ай бұрын
Thank you👏
@VengefulPurity 3 ай бұрын
Nope, he was 13. Aemond was born 110, and twins were born in 123. Helaena herself was 14 when they were born. They’re just a year apart. If she could give birth that young, it would be plausible for him to conceive those children.
@mynameisbrutus 3 ай бұрын
@@VengefulPurity some girls get their period at age 8, 9 or 10 and are therefore capable of having children even if it harms their health. But not a single boy can impregnate a woman at age 9. Like it’s just not possible. Women are capable of procreating at a younger age than men
@VengefulPurity 2 ай бұрын
@@mynameisbrutusfine. But that doesn’t apply here. The correction I stated is that he was 13 when the first set of Helaena’s children were born, he wasn’t 9. Which means he would have been 12 to do the act. And a 12 year old CAN impregnate a girl, so the possibility that he is the true father still holds water.
@gurunvalgarsdottir6664 6 ай бұрын
Helaemond 🙏🏻💎🕷💘
@RvtPist 6 ай бұрын
meh. we need a kind targaryen
@elslfdsoiudhd5384 6 ай бұрын
Lucerys would like a word 😂
@giacomoromano8842 6 ай бұрын
Aenys and Viserys first of their name were "kind" and that went incredibly poorly. To rule, you need to mix ruthlessness and kindness, honour and cruelty, or you will end up poorly.
@nicksmithnutmilk 6 ай бұрын
@@giacomoromano8842that's why Aegon II would have been a great King if the Dance didn't happen . We like it or not he was wise , merciful but he was cruel and ruthless when needed
@SLrandomshitposting 6 ай бұрын
You will have to wait a long long time until Madderious Targaryen is born lol 😂
@nicholasng9814 6 ай бұрын
@@elslfdsoiudhd5384lucerys was a piece of shit. Now literally is
@crd88918 6 ай бұрын
where in the books is this ever hinted at?
@happilyevernever4289 6 ай бұрын
He's just a troll spreading lies
@michaelnkomphela8231 6 ай бұрын
No where.
@kap2652 6 ай бұрын
Helaena is not Rhaenyra
@RaEy22 5 ай бұрын
We all know that
@kap2652 5 ай бұрын
@@RaEy22 good then maybe people should stop coming up with some messed up love triangle makes no sense at all that Aemond would do that or aegon let it happen or helaena letting that happen L theory no evidence to back at all she not rhaenyra
@raf3765 4 ай бұрын
yeah. Helaena wasn’t forced to marry a gay man who have weak sperm that can’t impregnate her.
@baxterbrownentertainment 2 ай бұрын
About to be the best character in this series
@bigellavlogs4890 25 күн бұрын
and it was said a son for a son, when Aemond's dragon killed Rhaynera's son
@vannieowusu3163 Ай бұрын
A son for a son makes a lot more sense with this theory😂
@vladimirs8560 6 ай бұрын
Stupid theory. They woudl ruin the show even more if they make it truth.
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
Even more? Care to explain how it was "ruined" to begin with?
@extraplain2412 2 ай бұрын
Aemond is secretly the father of Helaenas children like how Daemon is secretly the father to Alicents. Really hope Daemon reveals this to Aemond when they meet at the Gods eye before their battle.
@jocelynveronica6711 2 ай бұрын
Daemon is not their father. What makes you say that?
@extraplain2412 2 ай бұрын
@@jocelynveronica6711 it would just make the whole dynamic more interesting. Also there are a few moments in season 1 between Daemon and Alicent that feel like they're there to set up this secret relationship. Alicent giving Daemon her favour, asking Daemon if he would like to see the tapestries (which to me sounds like lets go find a quiet place to bang) and Alicents overall attitude about Rhaenyra and Daemon, seems like a red herring focusing on Rhaenyra instead of Daemon.
@pg1448 2 ай бұрын
Complete nonsense. Daemon hates Alicent's guts, he called her a 'whore', never paid her any respect f.e in the Green dress scene, he despises her father and dislikes her children. Daemon is by far the least likely character to bed her and to father her children. If he was he would hardly hate them and attempt to kill them.
@extraplain2412 2 ай бұрын
@@pg1448 Only nonsense if you lack any imagination. As I said there are moments that hint towards a secret relationship between the two. You clearly don't get Daemons character if you believe that 🤦
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
I think Daemon may have slept with Alicent, in the book it's certainly a possibility. Not on the show though, he seems to abhor her and her father. But again, it was still a possibility in the book, especially since she was older and significantly more cunning than her show counterpart. But show Alicent is certainly catching up so...
@ariellesimms4920 6 ай бұрын
Honestly, they all look so similar to each other no one would be able to tell😂
@Pastalgia 5 ай бұрын
Would explain the Riverlands genocide more
@SiriusWolfstar 4 ай бұрын
“Sister-Wife.” 😂😂😂
@januskhazar237 4 ай бұрын
watching a lot of Targaeryn lore really gets you numb to hearing that
@LizzieNya 3 ай бұрын
@@januskhazar237 Not even reading a lot of Greek mythology got me used to reading that
@XiuFeanaro6 2 ай бұрын
Y'all so crazy making up BS theories.😅😂😂 Like, there's not even a hint of it in the books AND the show. Lmao!!!
@panana6084 2 ай бұрын
Thanks😂 like I'm so confused bc there's 0 hint if that in the story from what I can remember. And even in the show, the only "proof" is that aegon and helaena aren't in love, and Aemond looks at his sister 3s? Oh, and Daemon killing one of Helaena's kids as revenge for Luce death?! This argument is so stupid because Luce wasn't even Daemon kid lol so using the "a son for a son" line as proof is extra dumb
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
@@panana6084no you're right, he was the bastard son of Harwin String 😂 exactly how it would be if Jaehaerys is not Aegon's 😂
@Syzygy77 16 күн бұрын
Some of those drawing are wild 😆
@chaudrybrogujjar1018 Ай бұрын
*Never plots against aegon* some men are just loyal to their older brother!!!
@youngoutlaw5150 2 ай бұрын
This should be something that I agreed they should add to the show. It will make 100 times more sense to the bullshit that they did add like the rogue Prince killing his first wife that made no sense at all. It makes more sense from one of her cousins or uncle to kill her. They did circle dirty as hell. He was supposed to be a pious night who refused the princess. Lady Hightower supposed to be in the treason plan and they chose all these weird things for HBO. Killing the story I appreciate so much.
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
I think it would add a lot of depth and complexity to the three high tower kids, but that's gonna make so many people angry over the fact that a) they now have depth, and if you feel compassion for Rhaenyra then you'd have to for Helaena b) Shakes the dumb idea that conservative = infallible and emotionless. People don't like that, even though the whole point of the dance of dragons and this season is that even after you'd made up your mind about which team you support, they're about to mess it up for you, and you won't know where true ethics and morality lie... Not with either of them is the defacto conclusion you're supposed to arrive to after processing the dance.
@HerbCoswellBornAgain 6 ай бұрын
Honestly, I would absolutely love it if this was true. But I have a feeling this won't happen, it didn't happen in the books, so I won't happen here.
@Ch69ad 16 күн бұрын
I will have your tongue for this treasonous accusation, my Lord.
@Chevifier 11 күн бұрын
"Was it worth the Price"
@caven7056 6 ай бұрын
GO TEAM GREEN 💚💚💚
@Vizzy_T 6 ай бұрын
It would be a terrible twist and I’ll stop watching the show (not that anyone would care..lol) but still. This would mean Helenas children are not trueborn
@adrianfriedrich5622 6 ай бұрын
Who cares they are all usurpators
@buddhabudman1 15 күн бұрын
“Would never plot against his brother.” Oof.
@user-pt3dd2ew2z 11 күн бұрын
POV: you just watched Aemond dracarys Aegon out of the sky and try to finish him off.
@Peterminator-nj3od 2 ай бұрын
Bro gotta chill with the fanarts
@ingainloggningsnamn 6 ай бұрын
I see a lot of people mentioning the books never mentions this. Just like the book never mentioned Daemon murdering his wife, which is both logistically impossible and no witnesses claim anything nefarious about her hunting accident and subsequent death. Nothing added to the story except showrunners wanting to make a character less likable. There are a few other examples. But considering the sources in the books is heavily biased against the blacks it's not that big of a stretch to think they'd not mention this possibility even if it is hugely plausible and would also add to the story, considering the greens are all about righteousness and ironically at the same time guilty of the same crime they accuse the blacks of. This is the one change I'm all for. Isn't even necessarily a change as it actually is possible, unlike some other changes which I already mentioned, or Laenor being secretly alive which also seems incredibly implausible.
@mesa577 6 ай бұрын
the greens are already cartoonishly evil, aemond is one of the only likable characters on the greens might as well give them all evil mustaches by then. and why would he further hurt helena with a public relationship with rivers.
@Alba-jp8hc 6 ай бұрын
nah, that theory doesn't make sense in the book (in the show either, but even less in the book) Helaena and Aemond don't interact in the book, and he doesn't care about her or her children (he didn't do anything when Jaehaerys died and he didn't want to go back to KL when Rhaenyra took it, he was very busy with Alys)
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
I actually would like to add that I appreciate Ryan Condal dropping some plot points from fire and blood into the plot of TDoD, like why Daemon wants to marry Rhaenyra? It's for a similar reason why Daemon Blackfyre wanted to marry his half sister, some other ones are there too. He read the book, and used it. I appreciate him for that.
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
@@Alba-jp8hcwell, if you get Alys I will have you know you will be busy with Alys too. It's freaking Alys 😂
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
@@mesa577that's actually the thing, he is cartoonishly evil in the book, it's entertaining as heck, but he has no depth ... And I mean like zero. The show attempts to have their cake and eat it too, where can get dialed to 11, and have more calm and emotional moments. It's good. He is going to have chunky screentime, so makes sense I guess.
@giovannilograsso2279 6 ай бұрын
What is the name of the background music in this video?
@4rtsyval 6 ай бұрын
there's not a rumour or even an idea of a hint in fire & blood for this. the show does play into it slightly more, but not really. and as adults aemond expresses no interest in helaena, that was only as children. in the book he cares even less, lol.
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
I really think you'd have to read the World of Ice and Fire for this one. Ryan Condal has stuff from there that worked into the show, and I appreciate him for that. Some stuff from Fire and Blood as well ☺️
@4rtsyval Ай бұрын
@@samf.s.7731 f&b doesn't have any of this though? like literally we're never told nor shown anything ever happened between aemond & helaena. in fact, aemond doesn't seem to care much for helaena, only aegon.
@user-vu5li1so7j 2 ай бұрын
In the books definitely not Although he made a son but no one knows what happened to him.. I am feeling so bad for sweet Heleana she was by far the purest of them all
@madehamahbub3870 2 ай бұрын
Didn't Aemond had a son with Alys ?
@user-vu5li1so7j 2 ай бұрын
@@madehamahbub3870 the witch Alys said they had a boy together Unfortunately we don't know what happened to that child
@mosesOriontube 4 ай бұрын
Nowhere in the books is that mentioned
@Sabber_shark 20 күн бұрын
"his sister-wife" IM DIEING 💀💀💀
@brendanfechter4889 2 ай бұрын
It's not really in the book like that. We get nothing really of Aemonds relationship with Helaena at all and with Aegon we just get that he's loyal and he takes over when Aegon gets hurt
@amandagoldsbury8122 5 ай бұрын
There's also the upcoming tragedy that makes a son for a son even more accurate if Amond is the dad.
@maxvasquez1088 6 ай бұрын
I would love this bc it would add so much complexity on the greens side and ruin their appearance of being holier than thou, plus it would give Aemond great incentive and stakes in the dance, and in a weird was is better for Halaena since Aegon is a bad father and king
@WiccanRiley 15 күн бұрын
Well in book canon maybe but in the show aemond didn't even flinch when he found out jahaerys was murdered😂
@darimamitypova6964 6 ай бұрын
Maybe Aegon is not faithful husband because he is brother to Helaena and marriage to your sibling is gross in the first place? Though he is not faithful he never abuse physically. Verbally - yes, but he is elder brother, that is common for siblings to fight. But he doesn't beat her. So, I don't think he is bad husband. Daemon is worse. He abused and killed his first wife.
@olord86 2 ай бұрын
I do not recall any suggestion of this idea in the source material. Can somebody please provide a reference? 😊
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
Not TDoD, Prince Aemon the Dragon Knight and Queen Naerys. I believe Aegon when he says Daeron is not his. Daemon certainly is his, but Daeron, I always found that impossible especially since Aegon really disliked Naerys and was abysmal to her till her death
@olord86 Ай бұрын
@@samf.s.7731 I think you are referencing something else. As it happens, I agree with you entirely about Daeron the good being the Dragonknights child. That however is separate to the question of Aegon the 2nd’s children. That said, tis a moot question, given their fates.
@gee2541 Ай бұрын
There is none lmao
@kimberlyplatt2382 Ай бұрын
Medieval times had that bedding thing going on right. So there were people there to make sure Aegon and his sister did the deed.
@barzomer2639 16 күн бұрын
"never plot against his brother" my ass
@Ragnarra 6 ай бұрын
Unfortunately none of Alicent’s bloodline would survive. Making this entirely moot.
@Alejojojo6 6 ай бұрын
And the son of Aemond
@kingrobertii231 6 ай бұрын
The important thing is that none of Rhaenyra’s "plain featured sons" took the throne
@michaelnkomphela8231 6 ай бұрын
@@kingrobertii231in fact the Starks maneuvered the Targs. out of ruling the 7 kingdoms - hehe. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@Alejojojo6 5 ай бұрын
@@michaelnkomphela8231 Nah. It wasnt the starks and the Targaryens surely take back the thrones in the books.
@michaelnkomphela8231 5 ай бұрын
@@Alejojojo6 umm what books? And Targarians all dead. But if delusions keeps you going, good on you mate.
@OzgurAytan-yo8iy 2 ай бұрын
Not in the books, anyone who’s read the books knows that. Get your facts straight before making shorts and stop misleading people.
@riojackson6352 14 күн бұрын
When they mention “father” around the kids in the show(I forget what episode) the twins both go “Aemond!?” all excited like dad is coming home and then the maid takes them away so Haleana and Alicent( think it was her?) can talk
@masterplokoon8803 6 ай бұрын
There is literally no evidence whatsoever in the books or show. And it just undermines the brotherhood between Aegon and Aemond. A man can be loyal to his brother even though he thinks he would make a better king than him just like Daemon was to Viserys. No need to make uo more plots about secret affairs that add nothing of value to the story.
@mariavi33 6 ай бұрын
The opening credits show that Aegon is the biological father of Helaena’s kids.
@khalilnelson1288 24 күн бұрын
Aemond : nobody loves, you like I do sis 😂
@TrustinHewhoknows 13 күн бұрын
But how do you account for Argon’s reaction to his sons death?
@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff. 6 ай бұрын
Also interesting to point out that in the show Aemond claims that should Aegon die, he would become King. Which suggests he knows something about the parentage of Helaena's kids that we don't.
@mesa577 6 ай бұрын
aegons kids actually being his doesn't affect how aemond can take the throne by force, when everyone else dies and aemond has vahhgar who's gonna tell him he isn't king ??
@vvt-4467 6 ай бұрын
Bruh Aemond does not need to plot to become the Head of the Realm, because he becomes the Lord Protector of the Realm after Aegon burns. "And so one-eyed Aemond the Kinslayer took up the iron-and-ruby crown of Aegon the Conquerer. “It looks better on me than it ever did on him,” the prince proclaimed. Yet Aemond did not assume the style of king, but named himself only Protector of the Realm and Prince Regent." Mind you the same titles Robert Baratheon wanted Eddard Stark to have after his passing. Also Aemond can't be Jaehaerys nor Jaehaera's father since he was 12 when Helaena conceived them at 13. Aegon is what he is and also a shitty father and his brother just don't cares.
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