I'm a designer and maker of speakers and, maaan!, I have to tell you, I love your videos. Always agree with your thoughts about crossovers, components etc... Great job!
@jameshockensmith11192 жыл бұрын
If your interested in speaker design,just for shits and giggles,check out some if DCM's older stuff
@Eddie07S2 жыл бұрын
This just continues to reinforce how good my decision was to build a set of Danny’s X-MTM Encore speakers and to not spend the kind of money those cost and get lesser performance. Thanks for posting. Danny, all of these expensive speaker you test all come with a plate with its model and manufacturer on it so people know who designed and built them. How about a brass plate for the “GR Research X-MTM Encore” and for your other other designs? The X-MTMs are too darn good to not have a sign that brags about who designed them.
@sloboat552 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you, Danny, I'm loving my Pedest'ale Tower speakers, getting great sound.
@scotts80482 жыл бұрын
I had you upgrade my my Mozarts a year ago and I'm super happy with the results.
@rd2642 ай бұрын
Im looking for Mozarts, but as they are out of production there arent many for sale.
@vittoriomartinidonati652 жыл бұрын
I am the very happy owner of Mozart Grand SE with Hegel H390 and have to say that they sound absolutely sublime.
@rd2642 ай бұрын
what about those drivers.....! Danny was less than positive about them.
@franklandgraff11902 жыл бұрын
You have taught me that there are very few good mass market speakers. Thank for sharing!
@JukeboxAlley2 жыл бұрын
Thats bonkers, couldnt believe the measurements were that different, was considering buying some of these a couple years ago.
@zulumax12 жыл бұрын
Every model of Vienna Acoustic speakers I auditioned were voiced differently. I liked the smallest stand mount Hayden models the best.
@1997inspire2 жыл бұрын
You are the Sherlock Holmes of speaker investigation .That speaker response plot looks like it was drawn by Mozart's wand as he gesticulated .
@davidlambert38922 жыл бұрын
About 8 years ago I used to own a pair of the Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Concert Grand speakers. I really liked them a lot. I'd like to see and hear your take on them.
@johnadair61082 жыл бұрын
Well since he wants to sell you components to "fix" them...take a guess
@BanBiofuels2 жыл бұрын
I would love to have you review their more expensive speakers that have flat diaphragm midranges with concentrically mounted tweeters. The Imperial Series LISZT is one, and the Klimt Series Music is another. They are big speakers and expensive to ship. I like the idea in theory of having such a physically coherent design, but I have never heard one, let alone measured one.
@falconquest20682 жыл бұрын
I have always been interested in The Music. I have never heard them.
@user-zd9gv8si2k2 жыл бұрын
the mozarts (the older ones on the right ) are one of the most ethereal clean smooth fairly analytical.3dimesional speakers i ve ever heard.
@ShakazuluJones Жыл бұрын
Agreed, I've had a pair for 25 years roughly and still use them. I've taken good care of them, and the surrounds are perfectly intact as they were on day one.
@galaxy6062 жыл бұрын
Filter designer was sleeping with the bean counter.
@joejoe30112 жыл бұрын
Funny you talked about the coils falling off since I had the same experience. I picked up a pair of their "Bach" speakers at a thrift store last year for $20, untested. Got them home, no high frequencies out of one speaker, the other had no sound at all. I opened them up and the coil had fallen off the crossover on one, so I had to re-glue it back on. Both of them had loose cable clips, so the tweeters weren't even connected. They're fixed now and sound quite good
@jasontimothywells98952 жыл бұрын
If it says Vienna on the can it is just horrible little sausages . I'm a Oscar myer weener kind of guy myself .
@MD-md4th Жыл бұрын
You do know that a Wiener is a sausage from Vienna?
@RCB22442 жыл бұрын
...Also add the Wharfedale Evo 4.2 into the mix of speakers I mentioned in my recent post. Probably not for everybody, but I'm intrigued by the design and look. Let us know if you've checked them out yet.👍
@erickruse46792 жыл бұрын
I laughed when you reached over and touched the speaker. In the opening my brain registered those speakers as being about 6 feet behind you and much much larger
@AALavdas2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting - and, indeed, unbelievable! Thank you.
@maximilianjohanneswurmitze71783 ай бұрын
Thank you for the review!
@markholder68512 жыл бұрын
I'm not in the bit surprised by your findings with these speakers. I was going to buy a pair of Vienna Acoustic Grand speakers many years ago, but i remembered a review done on some. The reviewer ran his own tests on them, he mentioned he found some unusual results
@rd2642 ай бұрын
me too I was close to buying Grand SE long distance---------but backed off
@jeffkalina77272 жыл бұрын
Did I miss pictures of the existing XOs? Keep up the good work!!
@transam152 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you knowledge on all things speakers, and was wondering if you could explain the difference between the construction of a mid-bass woofer and sub-woofer. Besides the frequency range each drive can play, what characteristics of each contribute to that range variation? Thank you.
@shifterboot13822 жыл бұрын
it's the voice coil and membrane design. for sub bass frequencies you typically want long travel, big magnets and heavy cones. preferably with very good bracing.
@Edwin-E2 жыл бұрын
Just wondering if you could show freq response of speakers down to 40 or 50Hz. I wish to see some insights on how the enclosure was built as well as ports effects. Thanks.
@haycrossaudio54742 жыл бұрын
Measuring at these low frequencies is really difficult
@Edwin-E2 жыл бұрын
@@haycrossaudio5474 in REW software, it is just a matter of settng which frequencies to measure from 20Hz to 20kHz.
@l.s.1709 Жыл бұрын
@@Edwin-E at those lower frequencies, you're measuring the room more than you're measuring the speakers. So unless he's got a fully anechoic room down to the low frequencies, he's right for leaving that part of the frequency response out of the graph.
@astra0042 жыл бұрын
May be they failed to fasten the cabinet between the two woofers. An acoustical short circuit? Any bracing?
@steventsimtsos40292 жыл бұрын
Would love to have reps or designer's of these speakers or others that Danny shreds apart and defend or explain their design/ measurements of their flawed speaker 👍
@adaboy4z2 жыл бұрын
Good idea!
@chubtoad1572 жыл бұрын
Absolutely.
@Reyfox12 жыл бұрын
I don't think they would want to reply considering that they would have to defend their choice of parts, etc...
@MD-md4th Жыл бұрын
They wouldn’t waste their time. VAs sound fantastic with suitable amps.
@316RC2 жыл бұрын
I own a pair of Mozart Grand but mine are the SE version (symphony edition). To my ears they sound fantastic. Maybe the SE edition fixed the the problem areas of the plain grand version? My SEs actually came as a "Matched Pair"
@warrenduffy13772 жыл бұрын
They are fantastic!
@hoth21122 жыл бұрын
The ones we have here to evaluate are not the symphony edition, just the standard Mozart Grand. I actually made a joke "watch the cheaper version measure better" and sure enough... It measure pretty well.
@316RC2 жыл бұрын
@@warrenduffy1377 I love them. Demoed them 8 years ago and took a pair home. No regrets 😃
@warrenduffy13772 жыл бұрын
@@316RC That's the key word - Demoed. VA speakers have a particular voicing, they certainly aren't flat and measurements should not overule our ears when it comes musical enjoyment.
@cirrus87912 жыл бұрын
Send them in!
@cobar53342 жыл бұрын
Thank you for an inciteful video
@phillipfrench83792 жыл бұрын
I used to sell these back in the day . One of their selling points were the "hand assembled " crossovers. Their cabinets were one of their other selling points as well. Looking forward to see what you can do. I know sumiko took over them , maybe production change ?
@HansDelbruck532 жыл бұрын
It's "I used to..", not I use to...
@phillipfrench83792 жыл бұрын
@@HansDelbruck53 I fixed it , thank you.
@DodgyBrothersEngineering2 жыл бұрын
@@HansDelbruck53 I use to correct other people's sentences, but I have since given it up...
@CecilSaxon2 жыл бұрын
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering Your 100% correct in giving up on fixing other people's sentences.
@piotrkonieczynski2 жыл бұрын
I own them for over 20 years they never missed the note.
@opiusclay2 жыл бұрын
Great job ! I I agree with everyting in this video. Because of the great reviews, I bought a new VA Mozart Grand SE. I had them for exactly 1 week. I sold them immediately…. were my biggest disappointment in hifi! Plastic transducers are without dynamics, they have a dull sound without color. They had an extreme predominance of bass, but everything was blended into one thick soup. I bought for 2,700 €, after 1 week sold for 2,000 €! My worst investment in hifi…
@pumaweek169 Жыл бұрын
Couple of years ago you were sold them for 1600€
@leechoong2979 Жыл бұрын
I live in los angels California. Where can I go to find these speakers? Best Buy used to carry them but they stopped and I don't know where to go to find the vienna speakers.
@steelydan55012 жыл бұрын
Many new new speakers have bloated mids and highs, so in a short listening session they sound fantastic! Get them home and in a long session listener fatigue sets in and they quickly go up for sale.
@rd2642 ай бұрын
spendor speakers are just the opposite --- recessed somehow. Ive never really figured it out.
@gerritswanepoel74922 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that. I love my vienna speakers. Simply sound amazing with the correct matched amplifier. Never had any issues with them at all.
@Laissez_Faire Жыл бұрын
Measurements aren’t everything trust me. Vienna’s are great speakers and they were designed to sound like the engineering team intended and I believe they did a great job. I’m currently in search of a pair of the Beethoven baby grand for myself
@professorvoluck93116 ай бұрын
My Hayden’s sound incredible to me. I don’t care about numbers and graphs.
@gertjanvanderkooij92422 жыл бұрын
i have the newest model and they sound really good.They look different from the ones you showed
@rd2642 ай бұрын
oh?
@Jimmygarn2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the follow up. I really wish we had someone like you here in North Europe.
@RealHIFIHelp2 жыл бұрын
Could the shipping have damaged something that maybe affected the measurements?
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
Not at all.
@jked74632 жыл бұрын
Do you ever get calls from the companies when you find these major issues? It is amazing that this company would let a speaker out with specs like this.
@jked7463 Жыл бұрын
@@MD-md4th that was kind of my point. These companies must be able to do the same tests Danny does. I, humble diy'r that I am, have the equipment to do these tests.
@pnoykenshin2 жыл бұрын
Hi Danny! Interested in working on my Thiel CS 2.2?
@dr.kristianrahbekknudsen46142 жыл бұрын
John Atkinson also noted issues in his measurements of the Mozart. He found you could correct much of it by inverting the polarity of the tweeter at the binding posts. The old Stereophile review is online.
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately that won't fix the break up issues of those woofers.
@dr.kristianrahbekknudsen46142 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 Yes, agreed but it did improve the suck out in John's case. I looked at all the Stereophile measurements of Vienna Acoustics speakers I could find online and they all have major issues. As you say, it's really hard to understand what they are trying to achieve. Great video, thanks!
@bryede2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes a small error in a print can go a unnoticed for a long time.
@iliascharis56682 жыл бұрын
Dear Danny I love your videos. What is the optimal way to design for acousti centers to be closer together? U put the tweeter in the middle and one driver on top and one the bottom? Like a tweeter sandwich?????
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
That is something typically dictated by the physical size of the drivers.
@iliascharis56682 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 I was thinking 2 X 15 inch woofers, 1 x 8 inch dipole magnetostatic midrange/ upper midrange driver and a dipole magnetostatic tweeter and last but not least your open baffle with the 110 degrees flange.
@michaelkanna65132 жыл бұрын
The manufacturer recommended listening to the Mozart 15 degrees off axis, which made the on axis response closer to the green line, that is, takes out that dip. What I did was flip the tweeter leads, as they were wired out of phase originally, and replaced some of the caps and wiring. That created a better speaker. I no longer own them, fyi.
@rd2642 ай бұрын
why would they be wired wrong, ie out of phase?
@bioscalar2 жыл бұрын
So refreshing.👍
@anthonybarker91232 жыл бұрын
It might even be with contacting Vienna. Ask them if that is the "factory" designed crossover or had someone been inside screwing with things.
@DodgyBrothersEngineering2 жыл бұрын
lol I thought you were pointing to the graph that just left the screen like they do on the TV weather, until it dawned on me you were actually pointing at the real drivers.
@arthurmorgan26872 жыл бұрын
The Absolute Sound gave Mozart Grand Editors Choice Award, can’t remember the year(s) but they granted this recognition more then once. Would be interesting to hear from people who actually listen to them.
@grumpy21422 жыл бұрын
So, a set of $AU6000 speakers has mediocre xovers and crap design engineering. Does not surprise me at all. Vienna Acoustics spend it on fancy web site and marketing their beloved enclosure quality....go figure! I'll always build my own.
@hom2fu2 жыл бұрын
like bull shit from motor trend car of the year
@henrym782 жыл бұрын
They sound great!
@MD-md4th2 жыл бұрын
The Mozart Grand and Mozart Grand SE are rich, laid back speakers. Tonally they are beautiful, catering to music lovers rather than people who pick apart charts.
@rd2642 ай бұрын
@@MD-md4th that only sounds like sales hype
@walriley482 жыл бұрын
“They need to be slapped!” Love it, Danny!
@musiccritic87048 ай бұрын
It looks like the graphs were put up backwards for the hor and ver
@superdougie102 жыл бұрын
Could it be the poly cap upgrade on the less expensive model that smoothed out the stored energy???
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
No, that was not it. A follow up video has been shot. It will explain what was wrong.
@junehi032 жыл бұрын
Hi Sir, I am just a Hi-fi enthusiast and have no technical knowledge about speaker designs but always DIY with other people's design. Your videos always concentrate on frequency measurements and nothing about how the speakers actually sound and I am just wondering is measuring the dips and hums of a speaker tells the whole story of how good that speaker sounds. Would there be occasions that a speaker can sound fantastic but the measurements are not up to par? Thank you..
@MD-md4th Жыл бұрын
“Would there be occasions that a speaker can sound fantastic but the measurements are not up to par?” Absolutely! The Mozart Grands sound fantastic with a suitable amp. There is much more to a speaker than how the frequency response graph looks.
@seanb33032 жыл бұрын
A speaker designer once told me that the 2-3k region is where harsher sounds live and also where the woofer and tweeter overlap area is…an area where human hearing is super sensitive to driver overlap challenges…so that is why dips are intentionally voiced into the 2-3k area by so many passive speaker makers.
@terryforsythe80832 жыл бұрын
But, when you go see an orchestra play they are not putting filters on the instruments to drop their output in the 2k-3k range…. I have had excellent results using 4th order crossovers for the midrange tweeter crossover point, with a flat response.
@seanb33032 жыл бұрын
@@terryforsythe8083 Their instruments are also not being asked to play 20hz to 20k…passive speaker design is the management of compromises. Ideally the response is probably flat with no filtering and a single point source. But that technology does not exist of course. We also know that phase is important and we have to be careful of making that issue worse with a high ordered crossover.
@terryforsythe80832 жыл бұрын
@@seanb3303 phase is important, which is why I have used 4th order Linkwitz-Riley or Bessel filters, tuned for the specific components. Carefully designed 4th order filters can provide for good alignment of the drivers' group delays in the crossover region while achieving a flat frequency response. Also, the 24 dB/octave drop off they provide keep the crossover band fairly narrow - quickly drop the midrange (or woofer) out of the tweeter's operating frequencies and vice-versa.
@1997inspire2 жыл бұрын
@@terryforsythe8083 You are correct but that level of crossover done with quality parts would put that speaker out of that price range.
@terryforsythe80832 жыл бұрын
@@1997inspire it does not look like the Mozart is made any longer, but Stereophile lists the 1997 price at $2,500. There certainly was room in that budget for 4th order crossovers using air core inductors and high quality capacitors. I used to have a fixture to wind my own inductors - it is a quick process and the amount of magnet wire for the values needed for a 2.6 kHz crossover point is not that much.
@geoffreydebrito26532 жыл бұрын
I suspect that the 'upgraded' Grand model was produced after Sumiko took over. Founder and chief designer, Peter Gansterer may no longer be in charge of final decisions regarding engineering and component selection. It's likely that the bean counters and sales department now control decision making. If so, look for Vienna Acoustic's speakers to over time, decline in performance.
@cineaudiophile44652 жыл бұрын
Sumiko took over Vienna Acoustics ages ago. Perhaps you mean McIntosh who now owns Sumiko. Regardless, The Mozart Grand and it's terrible crossover has been around for about 10yrs. I've seen discussion of its horrible frequency response before.
@MD-md4th Жыл бұрын
Sumiko was the distributor. Nothing else. They are no longer the distributor.
@mdocod2 жыл бұрын
I would redo the crossover on the 2-way there to be a 2.5 way.
@billbones10002 жыл бұрын
Love this series but bugs me there is never any talk about how the things actually sound.
@oleplanthafer70342 жыл бұрын
That's what makes it special: here you get the plain scientific objectivity. All the others do subjective psychoacoustics. I am glad this one channel is purely devoted to the indisputable theoretical aspects, so that you yourself might benefit in your very own practical perception. Yours, not his. ;-)
@billbones10002 жыл бұрын
@@oleplanthafer7034 yes agreed. Omission of the subjective in hifi is a problem though seeing that the end result of any speaker design is a subjective end experience. A general statement such as "despite all the cheap components and poor measurements this speaker doesn't sound that bad to my ears" or " to my ears the poor measurements and parts are really evident upon listening". We hifi geeks know that both these things can be true. That would really take the series up a level lol
@bossybill74372 жыл бұрын
Hard to move past sloppy assembly of cross-overs with components falling off and different components in left and right.
@Crokto2 жыл бұрын
thats cuz he doesnt actually listen to them lol
@billbones10002 жыл бұрын
@@Crokto hehehehe. Kinda like a camera guy who never looks at the pictures the cameras take
@quickcp116 күн бұрын
I have a full setup of Vienna acoustics speakers i want to just get a couple of woofers replace with OEM stock replacements. I cant seam to find anywhere that sells the VA Bach tower speaker replacements, any suggestions?
@dannyrichie97434 күн бұрын
You can't just replace the woofers without designing all new crossovers for them.
@shiraz17362 жыл бұрын
The one on the left looks like its has fallen over at some point looking at that dent in the cabinet on the top right edge.
@warrenduffy13772 жыл бұрын
VA generally have that bloat and spectral decay around 1100hz, it's intended to beef out and and overly exaggerate that frequency area. It's a design choice not an error. Certain music choices and instruments come across as very believable as a result, for instance classical music has an authentic body to it, the winds in an orchestra like the bassoon, bass clarinet, or a contralto have a laid on thick weight to them. That is VA's heritage, they over guild the lily somewhat but it's not without certain benefits...flat, they are not.
@tomchan47392 жыл бұрын
Totally agreed. Not everything has to be "measurement correct". This is the characteristic of the speakers.
@spooner12 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@peterlarkin7622 жыл бұрын
As someone who chased the flat dragon with my system, I've gone full circle... All neutral system is rarely musical.
@robbiefest Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I have a set of newer Bach, the ones with the floating tweeter & rear ported. With every improvement I've done to my system, they've reacted positively. They are very sensitive to changes in your system, meaning equipment and cable changes. I'm a multi-instrumentalist and I find them very pleasing to listen to. I love their vocal presentation and they're very musical. They have an amazing bottom end for their size as well. They're rarely fatiguing unless you have harshness in your system somewhere.
@rd2642 ай бұрын
@@robbiefest thats a very positive comment. I wish I had the chance to audition them - did you audition the Mozart?.
@TheDecguy2 жыл бұрын
Nothing could surprise me anymore.
@pickyaudiophile98982 жыл бұрын
Both are rather old moldels (implementations), with the Mozart to the right even older, maybe 20 to 25 year old models. Don't know..... Might just have been different people involved in design?
@miheadhurts2 жыл бұрын
Looks like the company got a new accountant.
@anonimushbosh2 жыл бұрын
These videos feel a bit like someone reviewing cars by examining dyno readings. What do they sound like?
@sudd36602 жыл бұрын
its as close as to measure sound quality, but he also listen to them, otherwise it would be a waste. just a tech spec.
@crimsonpiper36802 жыл бұрын
I own a pair since 2007. Set up properly in a decent room they sound beautiful, nothing sounds enhanced. Very natural sounding speakers, especially when listening to acoustic instruments. I will add that when the source is mastered well they sound great, but when mastered poorly they will let you know.
@rd2642 ай бұрын
@@crimsonpiper3680 do you realize how cliche your comment sounds? its like an ad.
@crimsonpiper36802 ай бұрын
@@rd264 if you don't like my description why don't you move to someone else description. Get a life for God's sake.
@michaelwright16022 жыл бұрын
We buy these hotrod speakers, get it home, look under the hood, and find a Brigs & Straton with an oil leak... After watching many of these videos from Danny, I think I will save my money and build one of the many kits out there that Danny and others offer. Danny has certainly opened my eyes, I knew it was bad, but this is ridiculous.
@ronnorton49482 жыл бұрын
You did say that it looked like maybe some upgrades had already been done with the cheaper model compared to the photos of its mate.
@aegisofhonor2 жыл бұрын
you'd expect it to be the other way around for speakers that are twice/half as expensive, it's bad when you pay twice as much and sadly get half the speaker.
@jimbower42492 жыл бұрын
I don't think this is a case of cutting cost. You can use cheaper parts and get a good frequency response. It won't be all it can be, but should sound good with a variety of music. It's so odd looking. Like they wanted classical to have a house sound. I like a jack of all trades speaker. My mood determines what I listen to.
@trog692 жыл бұрын
I have a pair of VA Haydn bookshelf speakers. Tiny things, but the tweeters are of exceptional quality, and the woofer, for a 5.5" puts out some very strong output. Perfection on a desktop, though I'm sure you guys could make them even better.
@martinakala46612 жыл бұрын
I too have VA Haydn (circa 2003) and they sound fenomenaly with my Hegel 80 and supported by a REL st sub
@jimmyaxelsson1312 Жыл бұрын
Meassuring frecqincys.. In diagram.. Show numbers in Hz and so on... We can use this as a guide line... But in The end it is The combo that counts... What ouer ears hear...amplifier... Cables do miracles.. They can almost make a pig sing beautyful... Thanks for The session and info 🙏🧙♂️
@jeffsloane86282 жыл бұрын
Slaps and Thumbs up from Danny for the engineers at Vienna. Another great video Danny.
@jasonm38712 жыл бұрын
Having recently acquired a used pair of Mozart Grand’s, I’m really surprised. in the few weeks I’ve had mine, I’ve been nothing but astonished. I’ve got a pair of GR’s too (AV-1’s, which I love), so I know how neutral speakers should sound. I wonder if something’s up with this particular pair….
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
The issue is with the woofers response, and both woofers have the same response. It is also not a minor issue, so I am surprised as well.
@piotrkonieczynski2 жыл бұрын
He is a bit charlatan. I like to watch him. He reminds me of David Icke.
@romanzaversnik83722 жыл бұрын
I love Wienna Mozart Grand speakers.They are fantastic sounding speakers with a warm and musical sound.I can listen to them for hours and hours.First off all you must listen to them and then make a review how bad they are.I hawe owned a lot of good speakers in the past but these ones i will never replace!!!
@henrym782 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@vittoriomartinidonati652 жыл бұрын
I am also very very happy with Mozart Grand SE in combination with Hegel H390, which model Mozart do you have and with which ampli?
@romanzaversnik83722 жыл бұрын
@@vittoriomartinidonati65 Mozart Grand mk2(speakers in video) with Acoustics Preference(Slovenia high fidelity company) mono block amps 300 w on 4 ohm.Crazy good synergy.Speakers cables Silent Wire LS12 .Van Den HUL the first Ultimate mk2 rca interconnects from LOxjie D50(dac) to IFI ITUBE2(preamp and tube buffer).From IFI ITUBE2 to mono block amps with QED Audio 40 Signature rca.PC-Audirvana studio,Tidal,Fidelizer pro,Audiophile Optimizer with Audioquest CARBON usb to dac and Furutech tp 80e and .................
@vittoriomartinidonati652 жыл бұрын
@@romanzaversnik8372 thanks fro your message, I just noticed it
@Laissez_Faire Жыл бұрын
Yeah I just got them and I think they sound amazing. They are so easy to listen to. Love how vocals and percussions sound on them. I think he needs to check his gear and review that because there’s definitely something wrong there.
@philbarone46032 жыл бұрын
Lots of people would love to hear how you feel about Tektons in general and perhaps more specifically the Double Impacts. I felt scammed by them.
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
I have only worked on and designed an upgrade for their Lore model.
@philbarone46032 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 But what are your feelings toward Tektons in general?
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
@@philbarone4603 Well. let's just say that there are some issues and leave it at that.
@michaelcollins24732 жыл бұрын
And to whoever owns the Mozart Grand speakers, they just lost half their resale value. It would be interesting to look up some reviews on them and see what the industry critics had to say about them. ;)
@andrewkelly12252 жыл бұрын
I believe it would show how much advertising the company purchased...
@williamlim88662 жыл бұрын
Reputable manufacturers of higher end products should have tested them before putting them on sale. Now, there is a trust issue.
@MD-md4th Жыл бұрын
VAs sound fantastic with suitable amps. There is more to music reproduction than graphs.
@klxz792 жыл бұрын
Seems like the cheaper speaker is better because it already has some upgraded components in the crossover. I'd bet if the owner sent in the other speaker which had a different crossover it'd measure worse and more like the expensive model
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
The cheaper one just had some caps that had been upgraded. That doesn't effect any of the measurements. The problem with the Grand model was the ringing issues with the woofers. That issue has nothing to do with the parts used in the crossover.
@mattsnow92732 жыл бұрын
"It's rough... it's rough."
@kostasjezuz48462 жыл бұрын
That's very strange... These two are quite old models, maybe there's something wrong with them? Vienna Acoustics is quite a respectable brand, and at least their newer versions of their speakers get really good reviews, and the ones I've tried sound really good...
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
We received a factory measurement of the Grand model and their measurements matched ours.
@gtric14662 жыл бұрын
Is it the crossover that causes all that spectral decay?
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
No, it is an issue with the woofers.
@gtric14662 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 ahh thank you.
@Smood472 жыл бұрын
Please review wilson audio tune tots.
@dannyrichie9743 Жыл бұрын
I don't review speakers, but feel free to send one in and I'll take a look at it.
@Smood47 Жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 I don't mean 'review' I mean analyze it and suggest upgrades like you always do. I don't own them or I would send them.
@mordante012 жыл бұрын
Have you ever had a pair of Raidho X3 in your shop?
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
No.
@mordante012 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 too bad. I like your chanel and hoped you knew about these speakers.
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
@@mordante01 They look like nice speakers. I have only heard the smaller ones.
@MArk-yn4sp2 жыл бұрын
Can the oddities on the graph be heard on KZfaq? If so, please play a music sample (same piece by both speakers). Tx
@vicentvanmole Жыл бұрын
irony the absolute sound give such a good review .hmm may be they are missing something .checking measurement ?
@MD-md4th Жыл бұрын
Maybe they liked the way they sound!
@stiglilleaas56852 жыл бұрын
Hmmm ... interesting !
@ibassnote2 жыл бұрын
Always admired Vienna acoustics…one has to wonder how they left that Grand so janky?
@audacious222 жыл бұрын
Do we know for certain that no one other than the manufacturer did crossover work prior to making it to GR Research, on the Grands?
@dannyrichie97432 жыл бұрын
The problem with them wasn't in the crossovers. It was in the woofers themselves. Stay tuned for a follow up video that covers it more deeply.
@pauldavies60372 жыл бұрын
It doesnt surprise me in the least often in a range of speakers the more expensive ones are worse than the cheaper ones I dont think they even compare by listening or measurements just presume the customer will pay extra and believe it will be better
@rd2642 ай бұрын
thats a fair deduction, Watson.
@pauldavies60372 ай бұрын
@@rd264 Ok Sherlock
@raidendigital10032 жыл бұрын
The only tower with 2 woofers that play the same range I've heard that works is the JBL Studio 570. It sounds like a single 12" driver, not 2 separate 5.25" drivers. They do better than the 590's in this regard, despite the 590's being a 2.5 way. The Sony SSCS3 towers are cheap again, but I know if I get them I'll just wish the whole time they were a 3.5 way. So I'd probably just stick to the bookshelf version I have already.
@JasonLeaman2 жыл бұрын
So yo pay for more ? then get less quality ?
@BobGeogeo2 жыл бұрын
Either the 2nd one was damaged in some way or... Rename them Mozart and Mozart Grandly Drunk.
@edstud1 Жыл бұрын
Price isn't determined by performance, it's determined by marketing!
@MrTheDarku2 жыл бұрын
Only thing that pops into my mind: what the...?
@rd2642 ай бұрын
wot?
@johnwilliamson64672 жыл бұрын
The Mozart Grand is a newer model. Chronologically, it's Mozart, Mozart Grand and Mozart Grand SE (current version). The next model up in the line is the Baby Beethoven Grand.
@hifiguy77 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I sold the Mozart model in the early 2000's; and still own a pair from cira 2004.
@rd2642 ай бұрын
@@hifiguy77 yours probably the one Danny and Co said measured well. its a rare bird.
@willbrink2 жыл бұрын
I have not heard all models from that company, but what I have heard, didn't do anything for me personally.
@cartofgiant2 жыл бұрын
Danny those are very expensive… man
@robh90792 жыл бұрын
Mozart - sounds like someone has already tweaked it, did one, then sold the pair of speakers with one totally different to the other which of course would have caused problems for the current owner.
@oleplanthafer70342 жыл бұрын
Is plagiarism a thing in High End Hifi?
@jfloop77 Жыл бұрын
It's surprising how crappy those "premium" products can be
@spooner12 жыл бұрын
OMGoodness. I want to say OMG but cannot. Faith tells me no no. What the heck. Supposedly a reputable company. Ding Dang Dong. Sounds like a witches brew was used in making these speakers. Thank you sir, again and again.
@TheMirolab2 жыл бұрын
So..... your God is afraid of the sound of the first letter of his name? Weird.
@spooner12 жыл бұрын
No, I just make it a point not use his name in that way.
@ford15462 жыл бұрын
and choosing the right hifi equipment is not easy. price does NOT determine the quality we have seen too many times! factories of firms are only looking for and making the most mulug money and do not care what they do for and achieve this
@ctr2892 жыл бұрын
That vertical off axis is nasty. That's why 2.5 way is better
@greggcheap62082 жыл бұрын
The speaker on your right (viewers left) looks like an old attempt at a 2.5 way.
@MD-md4th Жыл бұрын
They’re both 2.5 way speakers.
@peekaboo43902 жыл бұрын
Lets build a box , shove some speakers in it, it'll be fine.