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Cheaper than dirt can go ahead and follow suit

Hard to swallow pill, the USCCA has the same “vibe” as Big Daddy. And he’s not joking about the non-paying grifters in this industry.

I never understood the business model for Big Daddy Unlimited. When ever I saw their prices I was just like, "These guys are not cheaper..."

When will Cheaper Than Dirt go bye-bye

Don't think I've noticed before, but those stairs in the background are effin STEEP!

I couldn't agree more I personally work for a major worldwide automotive supplier and not paying their bills is SOP. The latest news is they are shutting down the plant and making all the remaining employees sign non disclosure agreements to get the last of their benefits. Hell they told me I was laid off for lack of work and couldn't get any of my vacation time that was earned last year ? So at this point 100 people have lost their jobs, a small town has lost a business and the management doesn't care as long as they get theirs ! There's no honor in how businesses are run anymore.

I'm gonna be honest, I had forgotten all about BDU. I thought they went under years ago.

Cheaper than dirt should be next!

Couldn't have happened to a nicer company.

oh so gun manufacturers are more like building contractors then I ever realized. They don't like to pay their bills in a timely manner either.

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The last order I placed at BDU was over 300 bucks. Purchased handgaurd, upper, and few other pieces to complete a build. I never did get those items or my money back. BDU just stopped replying to my emails.

Werent they trying to fuck with FRT by saying bdus version was a machine gun?

TriArc does the same. I had to threaten legal action to get my $1k back they held for over 3 years. The owner immediately sent my money back. Pathetic.

When a company leads with influencers, that’s a good indication that the products or services can’t sell themselves. Furthermore, as a 2A small business (gunsmith), it’s always been interesting to me the vendors who have huge buy-ins and are more interested in your credit t references than setting up an ACH payment where they get their money up front. They really want you to spend more money that you may not have.

This is a better explanation of who Leviathan is then any other one I've seen.

its not just the gun industry its a lot of industries.

And will the creators who shilled for them apologize or be held responsible?

After they did that gun buyback I never used them again... Thanks for the update!

The whole “membership” thing is always a red flag for online shopping

I bought a EOTech Holographic Weapon Sight from them for $550 about 1and1/2 years ago. I never got my Sight or my money back. It's good to hear they are gone and not ripping people off any more.

Cheaper than Dirt needs to sink. We don’t forget about companies that price gouging and takes advantage of its customer. FT!!!!

I forgot about them. I remember they were sponsering everyone, im always wary of these mega corps in this industry

I thought it was a commonly held belief that BDU was actually the ATF?

sucking up to a gun buy back program is when i canceled my membershi

I remember back when MAC and others were promoting them...I checked them out. Their prices weren't great and half their inventory was on back order. Never bought anything from them... I'll stick with midway, brownells and a few others..

They’re sales reps would lie through their teeth or more than one occasion.

I know of several large companies who are terrible about not paying their bills. I think a lot of that can be traced to Sam Walton changing the business model to paying in 90 days instead of the previous paying in 30 days years ago. Like people need another reason to hate Wal-Mart.

I work for a big Aerospace company and one day my Haas flashed a message that payment had not been completed need code to continue and just like that we lost 5 machines until my company paid the next payment to our machine tool vendor. 😅 Pay your damn bills lol

I’m glad you are exposing this! Thank you!

Nothing but silence from Garand Thumb about BDU. Thank you VSO!

All good people should call out shyt people. Politicians. Cops. JS

Didn't that company snitch on people about FRTs? Like threw the one guy under the bus and sided with the aft?

MGO would not sponsor a buy back program! haha

Yeager (RIP) and NSR left them years ago and that sent a pretty big message.

Long overdue IMHO

Integrity is still valued, though not valued by some. Our word should mean something when given.

Yo, excited to see this.

The problem with leviathan group , influencers pushing sub par products for money

Now it all makes sense. I remember years ago when I was purchasing Trijicon RMR’s for around $450! They weren’t paying their bills which is why they didn’t give a shit what price they sold it at. I’m STUNNED. I was under the assumption that they had so many members, the membership monthly cost would make up the difference because I couldn’t imagine every single member was buying something on a monthly basis.

I had to look up what a "cat tourniquet" was (Combat Application Tourniquet). I was relieved to discover that it had noting to do with my pets. 😂

I remember backnin 2018 they jad decent prices and quick shipping but like you said they failed and became slimey. I ordered powder from them backnin april 2023 and never got it shipped.

Black scout survival was the reason that I was against Leviathan group, only to later find out that he’s not exactly an upstanding person. Glad you brought this to our attention!

Leviathan takes the hit if a brand doesn't pay, which means increased rates for their clients that do pay. As an agent, they take a massive cut. Some good folks over there, but my issue was their contracts - preventing brands from working with creators for years, even if they worked with Leviathan for only one month.

Was always on the shady side!!!

I ordered an armorers kit last year and after a month I was like just refund me. It was a huge hassle. The guy said good luck getting a better price, I was like dude it's only 10 bucks less than at my lgs LOL

Kurt, you are one of only 3 guntubers that I take seriously and truly respect their opinions... However I think your bias towards leviathan might be showing a little bit in this video. You're praising them for upholding contractual agreements that *THEY* made on your behalf. That'd be like me praising the power company for not shutting off your power because you only paid the initial hookup fee & didn't prepay for your first 3 months. If Leviathan is such a great company to work with then why did Garandthumb leave? I know they provide a service that most creators are happy with, but I also think they could do a *much* better job of selecting their ad partners and I think you probably agree.

Have you ever fallen down the stairs in you background?

Leviathan and its associates are insufferable

cowboy denny sure would get pissy. he blocked me on face book

I can say that I have been to Gainesville over a hundred times, as I live an hour away, and I have never been to Big Daddy Unlimited. I always drove a little further south on 441 to Harry Beckwith Guns & Range in Micanopy.

Is anyone aware of a customer lawsuit against BDU? I'm still owed over $700 in orders they never shipped and I'm sure I'm not alone in that

To BDU, dont let the door hit cha where the good Lord split cha, on your way out.

Thank you Sir. Glad to hear.

*Ordered an upper from them. Because it was a special order, payment was required up-front. It went on backorder for 2 YEARS while I wrestled with customer service over fulfillment of the purchase (it was a high-end upper at an unbeatable price at the time; I wasn't going to cancel the order). The day I finally received it I cancelled my Big Daddy membership and never looked back.*

Good moral character is more rare than an honest Democrat

I was unimpressed with their store that was in Gainesville, Fl.

The prices were great at the very beginning but quickly went down hill.

5:27 I’ve seen this in a ton of industries I’ve worked in from video rental companies, to video game business, to music business, to healthcare companies… a large number of companies just don’t pay their bills it seems like.

Didn't Johnny Glock move into BDU headquarters about a year ago?

Tony Mcknight, CEO of Big Daddy Unlimited seemed like a very squishy slippery kind of guy. I never bought into their business plan and their pricing was horrible among other things about that company.

I didn’t know all this was going on over a year ago. When I ordered my firearm, they took my money, and never shipped my item. So, guess I’m out 550$ from this bs site.

Shit birds is a perfect description.

They still have their headquarters building and I believe the issue with the non-payments was due to Rarebreed's successful lawsuit against the patent infringement for the WOT. I had a subscription for a few years and have saved some money, but I am local to them so I miss the local store. These days, I believe that we should not be pissing on FFL graves and should support as much as we can. That being said, I have never had a bad experience with them. But, if as you say, they have breached the customers' confidence, then they should suffer the consequences. But dancing on their grave is counter to our community. Time will tell. We'll see. I think Tony McKnight will rebound. Mark my words. In the meantime, have fun. Quite a few of my friends lost their job in the local store. Bad mouth all you want.

Armalite did the same kind of run years ago. They didnt pay their vendors and sold off the company and ran off with the money.

I canceled my membership years ago.

I had a subscription for around 3 months. Occasionally had a really nice deal but otherwise was standard for competitive businesses. So I’m not really surprised they collapsed. I’m surprised it took this long

Companies "stiffing" their contractors is not a "gun industry" issue...it's a universal issue across many many industries.

Once upon a time, not paying your debts was a criminal offense and going bankrupt could become a capital crime. Now, bankruptcy is a tool in one's financial arsenal and being a deatbeat is shrugged off. There's got to be a point, somewhere along that line, where one can get back to being able to enter a financial agreement without a roomful of lawyers.

I was wondering how I got some of the stuff I got from bdu for so cheap 😂 glad I bailed out a few years ago. Great video

Have you ever told us how you came up with the name VSO Channel? I haven't heard the reasoning before...

I’ve never liked any outdoors centered groups or pages or businesses. They all seem so scammy

"Big daddy didn't feel good to you" 😂

We held a Big Daddy event at our range. What a joke and tool he was. It wasn’t anything like informative or no new equipment revealed, it was more look how awesome we are. His over all look as a wanna be player was hysterical! I couldn’t believe the nerve of this dude walking around my range like he was the only one there. Let me tell you there are some high like really high up on the economic scale members and you would never no it. They’re some of the best people I meet out there. That guy is a just not for this community.

It's a problem in EVERY industry. It's MADDENING. I run a company that services orgs across every vertical you can possibly imagine. Every single industry there are businesses that try to stiff us. A lot, actually. It's really bad. I don't know what's gotten into people, but there's a ton of small to mid sized orgs out there just fleecing vendors. Like, fuck our bills, I guess.

Gosh in May their pro shop in Gainesville Florida did a free Silencer transfer for me when their website wouldn't work. I've done a lot of business through them because they're in Gainesville close to me and with their website having really good prices I've gotten free transfers from them several times. I got 2nd and 4th Silencer from them. Wow smh. I ignored the bs around because of their prices mostly.

Capitalism at its finest 🙄

I bought an item from them. An order number was created a month goes by still not shipped. I cancel the order 2 more months no response. I reported them to the BBB I guess I'm just out $400

Of course it’s your phone boomer, mines been on silent since forever.

"Gundistry News!"=interesting news. I got bad vibes from BDU and am glad I never had anything to do with them. They seemed like a company that was able to bring items that were too good to be true, at times, while not being a third world country producer. Anyway, great video, Curt, keep the info coming and I hope We, the American People, get our YT back, allowing you creators, and Us users, a Censorship Free Platform! Done my part.

Like number 200…comment for the algorithm

I’m always confused why the call it a gun “buyback”. No government agency has ever sold the public a gun as far as I know. I mean, there are those police used pistols that are sold by some dealers like Classic Firearms and others, but there aren’t any government gun stores that I’m aware of.

This sort of behavior isn't just limited to the gun industry as there are a ton of medium and big companies which seem to feel that paying bills is entirely optional. My first real job was working for a company which sold plumbing supplies to everyone from the handyman who fixed your leaking faucet to national chain stores - I did collections work and the bigger the company, the more problematic they were about paying their bills. As you noted, a lot of the larger companies were fond of "aging" their bills as they put it, meaning they would wait several months - yeah, 90 days was the minimum as I had some inform me they waited upwards of 180 days - before paying bills. But some simply didn't pay bills until you either threatened to cut them off or let them know you were going to sic legal on them if they didn't promise to have a check in your hands by the end of the week - there I was at age 23 telling the accounting departments of national retailers that I was going to cut them off and have them sued if I didn't see a payment processing inside of 5 business days. I later got a job with a video game distributor and part of my duties also involved collections with clients and it was the same thing - national department store and video game specialty store chains forcing me to threaten no more video games on their shelves if I didn't have a check from them in my inbox by Monday morning. So the good news is that this isn't just a problem with the gun industry, although I'm loath to call a problem like this a good one for all those smaller companies that have to go through BS like that to get paid by them.

Issues paying invoices on time or at all is a big sign of a struggling business. It happens in many industries. Basically they lack the sales volume to maintain their operations. It can be a catch 22... You need to maintain sufficient inventory to attract sales and limit out of stock situations so you can have increased sales. But you also need large sales volumes to maintain that inventory. Seems Big Daddy did not grow fast enough to sustain, or their antics cost them too many sales to maintain themselves.

I was a BDU member when they started. Good prices, but eventually they were out of stock on pretty much anything I needed so I canceled. Didn't even know about all the shady stuff they got into later on.

Man, I did get some decent stuff from them throughout the pandemic, namely 500rds of 410 birdshot for 10$ a box and 500rds of 4.6x30 for 20$ per box of 50

Big Daddy Unlimited just sucks. They get you to spend money on a membership and then everything you want is never in stock.

Never spent a dime with big daddy, they seemed like a scam from the get go.

This might get hate but for me, optics planet is another cheaper than dirt untrustworthy company....

Mad respect to you VSO for making this video. You may have put yourself on an island with this even though you’re absolutely correct. I hope other gun tubers come out in support of you and the industry rot you’re calling out. 🇺🇸🤙

Idk about all this controversy, but before their prices went up, their CS team really took care of me when I needed them too. Sad that they were shitty

FAFO...Go woke or corrupt go broke!! I bever used BDU or Cheaper than Dirt because I found the same items at better prices! I'm firm believer in spending locally with the mom's and pop's businesses!

You hear a lot of no money exchanged hands between creator and said company but I’ve never heard said company paid Leviathan group and Leviathan group paid creator. I could see Leviathan group helps when a review is so bad it doesn’t get released or focusing on the positives in a bad review to polish the turd a little. BDU was good in the early days of business but poor management ran it into the ground. It was a buy early sell before crash situation.

Ill never understand how yhey got the 2a community to think they has a worth it idea. Glad i never gave them a cent

I purchased from them and they have not refunded you the purchase and have not responded to any of my emails. What should I do? Its a pretty substantial refund.

Ordered from them a few times and then they stopped shipping things on time and it was just a big hassle. They sucked.

So perfect for high load, consistent load applications like generators and pumps

Is there a blacklist that shows which companies have a history of stiffing clients?

BDU was a scam & a joke