for the first time in my life i'm on a team where out of 6 devs me and another person use neovim! so we get to geek out together on it.

I get the opposite effect.. a wave of pure cringe when I mention it 😔 I mentioned it in an interview today.. ~am I worried out a small -> big company shift.. “nope! As long as I can use my editor 🤠” ..then they ask what it was and I felt a wave of cringe as I answered ☹️

I had the opposite. I was a junior dev, a senior told me he was using vim. I asked him if he could rename some variable. He broke the code. He either didn't have an LSP or his LSP wasn't good enough to follow reflexive code. Then I told him that's why I use JetBrains.

One guy asked - is it a mechanical keyboard, I said - yep. And he said - oh, you are using vim, right. And I thought - ok, looks like I am in trend now

@@emptystuff1593So you use JetBrains just because HE doesnt know how to use Vim plugins properly? bruh

You can't spell virgin without V-I

"I could go longer because I was having fun." It's an important aspect programmers of both sexes forget.

Viagra improved

You can just say sildenafil

Woah

that's what i say when waiting on emacs to do something

you wanna know how I got these scars? *shows fingertips*

​@zZGzHD then why you using emacs if you don't know how to use it??

But he can go longer 😉

​@@HackionSTx he can go longer if you play it at 0.5x 😳

@@sutirk🤤

Your comment just proves that it's the Arch Linux of IDEs

@@redpillsatori3020 What happens if you use both Arch Linux and Vim/Nvim? Do you just gain 100 pounds automatically and start growing a neckbeard in 1-2 business days?

@@redpillsatori3020 except for the fact that you can get actual work done with a text editor like vim, instead of messing around with config files for weeks just to get a waifu on ur desktop...

VSCode is not an IDE, let alone Vim​@@redpillsatori3020

@@redpillsatori3020 What if I use neovim on arch and I'm hired?

Me too, little fuckers keep getting in my roof

I use trackpad btw

Mad Catz R.A.T. 5 anyone?

My mouse is eaten by cat 😢

I believe it's spelled mice

By the way. The x11 manual did nothing. Not what I needed. I should have just used just asked someone. I don't remember how I got it working but I still remember how it felt to see gnome boot up for the first time. Also, pro tip, if you think it is a problem with your windowing server ie a bug in x11 or Wayland, try looking at your desktop environment first. Generally x11 and Wayland are bulletproof and it comes down to a bad install or a all to commonly your desktop environment having a silly configuration for your hardware.

you were a 100 years old at 12. I respect you (I use micro, Im a beta rn)

your story doesn't add up.

@Rudolfucius Yes. Left out a lot of context. I am only 17 now. I am a Math&CS major at college. I am a little ahead of the curve. The laptop was made in 2000 so it was really slow. As for using the X11 manual, I am pretty sure it wasn't the actual x11 manual, just from what I recall it was written like a manual and was about the protocol and not about guis. Sorry for any confusion, I am not good at collecting my thoughts before writing comments and stuff.

@@Kira_x86_64 I'm not trying to suss you out: if you somehow have the need to spin yarn that's your thing, so sincerely: the numbers don't totally add up from a cursory google search the Satellite 4000 series seemed had 2 MB of VRAM and the 5000 had 32. Doesn't really matter. If you at your young age somehow made that kind of a junker work: I respect you for that kind of stubbornness although I'm somewhat assuming that that was born out of necessity in a way. Who cares. Go hard, go far!.

as one should. VS code has co-pilot chat which neovim lacks. Also Git and debugging UI and other plug-ins not in neovim

​@@robosergTV Or tmux split pane and a TUI for GPT chat (e.g. elia). There's Neovim debugging plugins as well. With that said, I use mostly JetBrains and Helix back to back depending on the task I'm doing. Debug, complex rebase, refactoring -> JetBrains. Quick edits or system config -> Helix. ssh to a server -> Vim. Heck, I even use VSCode for some stuff. None of them fit well for all use cases to me.

​@@robosergTVthat's.. not what he means

80-20 rule

More coders than software engineers.

dropped all the way from 90 to 40 myself when i switched and started properly using my kinesis pro and made some nice custom layers. Now I can consistently type 130wpm and it feels lovely

I switched to qwerty and touch typing and went from 10 to 60 wpm in one week but it was rough

Took me about 2 weeks to get used to my Ergodox. Hang in there, it gets better (and then even better)

Yeah mine went from 130 to about a solid 8.. Came back up to about 80% after a few days though.

Isn't the whole point to not use pinkies too much

Why use ci( when you can use cib? Saves a shift press. :)

the same for me. Typecraft helped me a ton to learn how things worked. I just recently jumped to kickstart, I also like it a ton

Dude, how. Vs code is install and go.

The default keybindings and behaviour did not fit me at all. I had to spend a lot of time setting up comfortable keybindings for navigating the terminal and tabs.@@mattymattffs

​@@mattymattffs Shh he just wants to feel better due to shitty ide, he cant process facts

@@mattymattffsi always have problems with lsps and extensions memory leaking on vscode. Also projects of enterprise size slow down vscode so much.

I came (as in "I came")

Brazil mentioned 🇧🇷

Mouse is for managers

I just like working from my bed and the trackpad is bad. That's why I use vim

Its replaced with esc

BUY A THINKPAD!!! Okay just kidding, but really you can consider it, or get that thinkpad style keyboard which has the trackpoint.

But what if the distractions are coming from inside my brain

That is a solid take.

My life

makes sense. I always got the most homework done at the library where there were no distractions

As someone with ADHD and who is also naturally very messy, there is a massive correlation between my mood and the tidyness of my house. So I'm depressed all the time lol.

Completely agree; after switching to vim motions myself it feels like an ergonomic necessity.

Same here! Vim + Colemak + Split keeb + trackball + standing desk. It's all about that sweet sweet ergo, baby

@@Conman9310 How long did it take you learn them?

@@smnomad9276I'm barely getting started, but I was already as productive as I was without them after abt a week

I found that the angle mod of Colemak on an ISO keyboard did wonders on a regular keyboard, regarding wrist positioning and stress mitigation.

Not that into the duality but I agree. Even someone like me, doing erp automations, can have they joy of using tools that makes me do my job more comfortably (that said, I use vim motions with vscode in my work machine, but it’s a compromise)

I'm not sure which one you're saying is the factory worker in that analogy. The analogy could be made to work both ways depending on what the person making the analogy thinks about both the value of maximizing productivity vs artistic ideals and their opinion on vim/IDEs.

Like a tool allowing custom extensions with custom views and rendering? Both have limitations, one more than the other and not the way you try to make it seem. Your metaphor can also easily be reversed.

@@mjiii I'm not sure what is confusing about the analogy. e.g. If workers are on a conveyer belt working to get a food item out, the tools and stuff is designed and placed not by the worker, but by their employers. And the project is already taken shape, the workers have no choice for freedom of expression, they can only follow the assignments.

@@jeanlasalle2351 I don't see how this is confusing. Factory means all the tools, process are designed by the employers. As a worker, you have to learn everything to use the tools correctly. Your freedom of expression is limited by the employers. They wouldn't want you to have whatever you want.

yes, i am tired of having that argument with people because they just _do not understand the macro_ therefore its ... well its a dead argument

You could also learn awk 🙂

the learning curve is steep but short. No different than starting a new video game and learning a few key combos. Id says 3 days of steady use to be as productive as other ide's, then only up from there as you level up skills and unlock new key combos and power moves.

I'm fine with SSHing to remote hosts and using basic VI and VIM. But recently started Nvim after half a year in Helix and could not remember how to use LSP in it. Helix has much better organised hotkeys and help dialogues everywhere.

@@ildarakhmetgaleev yep, the few times I had to do it I used vi just fine. There's enough overlap that as long as I remember that it's verb-object and don't try to do anything fancy it's perfectly fine for changing a couple config/env vars.

I feel like by the time you set up multicursor to do something that can't be done simply with a macro, search-replace, or visual block mode it isn't worth the trouble. but I also haven't used multicursor at all so idk

@@sub-harmonik honestly, the multicursor problem in vim is a skill issue. Nearly all multicursor usecases can be solved with visual block mode and :s/[oldValue]/[newValue] or a macro, as you said.

@@hamm8934 yeah I would think placing the multicursors correctly would be about as much work as find-replace if not on consecutive lines, and if on consecutive lines you can use visual block or execute a macro on each line easiliy

@@sub-harmonik Among my favorites is to use /pattern, set up swap with :s/old/new, then use repeated / and . to go to next and apply, if needed. Just want to apply to rest of file, up, add ',$', done.

I agree but not entirely. The problem is that “beginner friendly” is almost always buttons and mouse usage. For something like vim, that has a manual and tons of “how tos”, is not really the target for that philosophy. It even has a chela sheet, a guide and a game to learn to use it

Prime says such people will never be good programmers.

@@Electric_Bill I mean he doesn't he does have the nuance but he muddles it with so much "joking" insults and such that you can never really see that, like he expects you to know everything about him to know that is the case. Like I am sometimes confused whether he actually realises the way he speaks is quite alienating and unhelpful, I have watched his content because I quite like it but for the longest time I just didn't agree with a lot of his takes until I watched enough where I was like "oh ok that is what he means". (And even then I still don't agree a lot) Like how do you expect anything to actually constructively listen to you when you just put down anyone at every turn. I really hate when people just go "hard truths deal with it" because at least for me that has NEVER worked, for myself or for anyone I know, it always takes meeting someone in the middle to actually do anything.

A few years ago I first heard about tiling window managers. At first, this idea seemed unconvincing to me. I was lucky enough to come across a great introductory video to i3wm. I changed my mind in an instant. Using the computer this way has become the default for me. When I have to use someone else's computer it feels clunky for me.

I don't think that's rare tbh, well relatively speaking. I've seen lots of comments on reddit and youtube where people want things like org mode but prefer editing in vim, emacs with vim bindings is a happy medium.

@@sfulibarri honestly you're not wrong. Most people at my University (that aren't professors) are usually more weirded out by the major switch.

I think it's because of all too common website layouts, where going 1 pixel beyond the text highlights the entire page contents.