Why is the Breitling Navitimer so legendary?

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Today we're working on this beautiful Navitimer ref 806 AOPA from 1959 with the legendary Venus 178 movement inside. We will discuss the history of Breitling and the Navitimer as well as some of the trickier parts of this movement. And we'll talk about the many ways to skin a c... sorry, to fool the taxman!
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@jatco84 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and great job on that Navitimer. Super watch and your work speaks for itself. Love your commentary as well..adds some levity to a pretty intense and technical trade. Kudos to you...

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much :)

@TrainTracker911 Жыл бұрын

I do enjoy your videos and sense of humor. Continue, please.

@adrianbirkett594 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful watch!, well done. Chrono looks so complicated, so many bells and whistles!. Great video. Thank you. Adrian 🍀

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Adrian! The thing is that after working in a few chronos and starting to understand them, it gets kind of boring to work on simple watches :)

@TheGeezzer Жыл бұрын

Complicated beast to disassemble and then reassemble. Excellent work!

@darcybrawataakaontariostac6835 2 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite watch brands, Great job on the service of this watch

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Darcy!

@dorkflassbury1164 Жыл бұрын

Well, done. A beautiful, classic, watch.

@ygrbooks 2 жыл бұрын

Another wonderful video: I keep repeating myself here - and I am sorry for this - but you just keep on doing marvelous work, so what can I say? Just, "Thank you so much." It is always a pleasure to see that you have uploaded a new video. I have watched all of your "old" ones multiple of times as they really make me feel good and relaxed. So again: thank you so much - you are a true gem in the watch enthusiasts' world.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, that's very kind of you :)

@FitOutPost 2 жыл бұрын

What a remarkable transformation! Thanks for sharing.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! 👍

@johnwhyte1488 2 жыл бұрын

This video randomly turned up on my screen, so I watched it. A stunningly beautiful video, so relaxing to watch. You would make a fine surgeon Sir. Thank you for making and sharing.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear John, welcome to the channel! Lots more to watch, I hope you'll enjoy it :)

@ronaldlinkenhoker5705 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of parts is an understatement. Thoroughly enjoyed the video!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear, Ronald!

@Aco747lyte Жыл бұрын

That was a beautifully relaxing, and most enjoyable restoration of that Breitling Navitimer. I especially enjoyed it as I'd finished late after seeing a patient recovered and I wanted to rest my mind after such a horrendous day. You entertained me, made me laugh and I enjoyed listening to your banter. Stian, thank you so much for this wonderful service. It was a great pleasure to see. Now, I am off to bed. Goodnight, from Wendi in the UK. 🌻

@99corncob Жыл бұрын

The Navitimer is a perennial favorite because it is incredibly complicated, incredibly expensive, and incredibly difficult to read on your wrist. I always enjoy your videos and the watch industry history I learn from you!

@walther9161 2 жыл бұрын

Wow that’s a lot of parts ! Actually your singing isn’t bad… love the video and always learn something new. Thank you!

@tiberiuvincze8288 2 жыл бұрын

Hello, Such a good habit to put this videos in week end !an historical watch and movement! nice to see one even in video ! thank you and again a nice video !

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tiberiu! I think the weekend is probably the time when most people would have time to watch these videos so I've started publishing them then :)

@stevemoreno6241 2 жыл бұрын

Truly an iconic watch. Thank you for sharing another great video.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Steve!

@wendyglasgow6394 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful job , and well done not to loose any screws 😂 I do enjoy your videos , keep them coming . 👏

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Wendy! I'll keep them coming for sure, will probably do some on my own private collection next.

@larrycannon166 Жыл бұрын

Wow! Gorgeous. Just purchased a 2020 B01. Thrilled!

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

@marekeos 2 жыл бұрын

Love your videos! Keep them coming please!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear, thanks! More coming :)

@davidcrandall4958 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the memories!

@bullnose01 2 жыл бұрын

Master watchmaker, skilled videographer, and now the Norwegian Barry White. Such talent in one burly package! Another entertaining video of a beautiful watch, Stian. Get well.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bullnose! 😄

@Watcheyes 2 жыл бұрын

Aha, great tips about screwing back the screws, will do that for future projects, very nice watch and resto :)!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's a good tip for when you have 50 slightly different screws to keep track of 😊

@Watcheyes 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Yes, save for some future panic attack :D

@red75v67 2 жыл бұрын

Get well soon Stian and get that fire on. That movement is beau ti ful.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's a beauty for sure and it's very rewarding to work on such movements.

@clivesouthafrica2086 2 жыл бұрын

The Navitimer is the watch that first really grabbed my attention in the early eighties when I saw one in a shop window. An object of desire for me. It started and drove my interest in watches ever since. Unfortunately I have never owned one, but still it may happen. It was great to see one "bare" as it were. Thank-you for a great video (production quality improving all the time), but I probably won't be considering your tax insights with the same amount of attention.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Clive, good to hear you're selective in your information absorption 😁 I'd not take my tax advice either, tbh... The old Navitimer is really special and pretty much the only Breitling I could see myself wearing... most of them reek of bling....

@davidcrandall1285 2 жыл бұрын

I will listen to this over and over!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, David!

@darrentabor4839 Жыл бұрын

Lovely watch.

@gregcapella5941 2 жыл бұрын

Great video !!!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Greg :)

@chowardlaw8417 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I have (gift from friend) a chronograph that a Vietnam-era helicopter pilot had and wore for many years. Have been told it is a Breitling, but branded for an American distributor. Looks very much like this one. Had a local watchmaker look at it, and he said he didn't feel he should take on doing a service, which is what he thinks is all it needs. I may have him look at this and maybe he'll rethink being willing to try it on. Really enjoy your videos on watches.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! You can google more images of the watch and compare yours to them. Look at the bezel, the position of the subdials etc and that should give some clues.

@Masiman01 2 жыл бұрын

I Love your Videos, Particularly the commentary !!😉

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, that's very cool to hear :) More to come, so stay tuned!

@griffn14 2 жыл бұрын

What a watch! Just awesome.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Griffin! It's one of the very few Breitlings I could see myself wear... Most of are just too gaudy and busy for my taste, but this one looks the part of a vintage classic 😍

@ricky6019 2 жыл бұрын

great job, as usual!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ricky!

@watchrepairwithchris4346 Жыл бұрын

Enjoy your videos. As I have not really started working on watches yet and will be back living near Nyon soon, would love to call on you to pick your brains sometime in 2023. In any case, I will keep following your channel a you working on watches. Thanks, Chris

@curious5557 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing that you can take this movement apart ... and I don't know what adjective to use to describe your ability to reassemble the movement. Thank you for sharing.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you, that's very kind! Taking it apart is not difficult, but putting it together again can be :) The thing with watches is that it's all completely logical, so once you start understanding the patterns the main challenge is to keep the screws apart 🤔

@keithm.404 2 жыл бұрын

I think the adjective you're looking for is pernickety: excessively precise and attentive to detail.

@davidcrandall4958 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Not many people would tackle that movement!

@bessiebraveheart 2 жыл бұрын

To me, these chronograph movements are a work of art. They amaze me. They are beyond my limited expertise. I'm old now and my hands are not very steady.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Chronographs are very cool indeed, especially to work on!

@gerardoesparza8650 2 жыл бұрын

Just beautiful

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 😊 It's a wonderful watch for sure!

@johnsrabe 2 жыл бұрын

17:30 The Great Super Glue Caper … the problem is that you have such a deadpan delivery, coupled with a high level of skill, that some of us couldn’t tell you were joking, and were inclined to believe you knew some crazy trick. Cheers!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I should have made it clearer... Will do that next time :)

@johnsrabe 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices My friend, make all the jokes you want! Some we get; some we don’t; no one is injured. Remember: We like you!

@johncollier608 Жыл бұрын

For such an icon watch and globally recognised brand, I was unimpressed with the finishing on the movement, when compared to it's contemporaires. I have a Breitling in my collection and hope it looks better inside than that (I don't tinker with my watches so I hve no idea and probably never will). Thanks for sharing, Stian.

@Ronaldo-hw1og Жыл бұрын

Great humor, thanks!

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@davidcrandall1285 2 жыл бұрын

Sir This was the first watch I ever took apart my father obtained it from a wholesaler friend of it in 1967. I could not put it back again but it was the impetus for my career you make it look so easy,It's not! I would not suggest anyone without years of experience even attempting to open this! Once again,A stellar video. This is the watch that haunts my dreams. Thank you!!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, that is a veeeeeeeeeeeeery dangerous choice for your first watch to take apart 😂 What did your father say when you couldn't put it back together then?

@davidcrandall1285 2 жыл бұрын

My next watch was the accutrons but they satisfied my curiosity without being taken apart!

@davidcrandall1285 2 жыл бұрын

My father was not happy,but I think He was impressed in a way. He bought me subsciriptions to popular science and popular mechanics!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you had a good father, David :) Quite impressive reaction to his watch being picked apart 😁

@davidcrandall1285 2 жыл бұрын

Years later,I went to watch Repair school through the N.A.W.C.C.!

@pipodorologio1648 2 жыл бұрын

beautiful vintage watch and movement....looks complicated, very good tip to put back the srews in again after taking off the parts.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's a wonderful watch overall and the movement is a real beauty! Happy the screw tip could be helpful 🙂

@pipodorologio1648 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices great job....trying to doing a little bit of repair myself on less complicated watches as an amateur, your videos are really inspiring, thanks for sharing

@Patriot-rising 2 жыл бұрын

Just a super watch ! In the rights hands kept as it is the watch is a real classic beauty! In the wrong hands it will have ridiculous bling added and ruined. Yes I have seen someone ruin a super nice watch by sending it in and having in ( iced out ) his words not mine. I do not even like factory diamond dials. But my tastes are more in tune with mechanical brilliance and a well thought out dial. Love these videos. Thank you kind sir once again.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@angelherrera6820 2 жыл бұрын

I've watched your past videos that did not deal with chronographs and I thought those were intense because of all the parts you had to deal with but adding a chronograph takes it to another level of appreciation for what you and other watchmakers do! Thanks so much for your wonderful repair/restorations! Bravo! Great video! Cheers!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Angel! The chronograph certainly adds a lot of parts but they are also great fun to work on. Very satisfying to make it run afterwards 😁

@randyallen2771 2 жыл бұрын

What a great thing to wake up to on a sunny Saturday! Makes me think back to a Breitling aviation chronograph that I used to have. That calculator was always too small to read even when I remembered how it worked. 😉 It may have been addressed before, but do you have any thoughts/observations on the Seagull (Chinese) made version of this movement that's used in their model 1961 chronograph? See you next week! (Thanks for the tax tips)

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Randy, thanks for your comment and be careful with following those tax tips! 😬 I don't yet have a Seagull at hand but when I do I'll be able to say more. It's a very sharp looking watch they make with it and looks like great value for the money.

@davidgoldstein1480 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful video. I am a huge vintage breitling fan and to see it worked on was magical. Please let me know if you are willing to service some of mine someday? Especially a cal 179 duograph from the 40’s 🙏

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello David, thanks so much for that! It could be interesting to have a look at your Duograph, you can contact me at stian@vintagewatchservices.eu, then we can discuss there.

@witzed1 2 жыл бұрын

I'm addicted to your videos, great job, please continue. What loupe magnification do you use?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I mostly use a 3.5x loupe

@stayingsane5213 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as usual. Very nice movement as well. I'm having a lot of issues with the video quality so can you please let me know what kind of equipment you use to record and edit the videos? Thanks

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hi there, I use premiere pro for the editing and two cameras for recording. The editing is what takes the most effort...

@carlrees5574 2 жыл бұрын

Lovely work as always!! still waiting for the bell-matic video.... Just completed mine and all went well except putting the date wheel on is nerve wracking (if you know you know!!)

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Carl, thanks for that and the Bell-matic is still a few weeks away, I'm afraid! I'm planning a couple of videos on my own collection in the meantime, to change things up a bit.

@jaimerivera2545 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful watch and great job as always!! The tools you use to pry out the hands of the watch, can we buy them in stores or you fabricated them (modify) yourself? Thank you

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jaime! The hand levers I mostly use are from Bergeon, reference 30011. They're 7 mm wide, which I like better than 2-3mm. Ideally I'd like them to be maybe 6mm, but what's one mm between friends :)

@RedWolfRedWolfRedWolf 2 жыл бұрын

You don’t do enough content haha satisfy me and do more please. Nice upload.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Patience, my young Padawan! 😂 It's vacation last and this week in Switezrland, so the next uploads will be this weekend. It'll be a bit different, I'll be talking about my own watch collection and some pitfalls to avoid when buying old watches...

@RedWolfRedWolfRedWolf 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices cannot wait ✌️👍🙏

@theo5413 2 жыл бұрын

Nice watch

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Theo!

@lobo-1197 Жыл бұрын

Interesting movement combined with a sexy voice. Thank you for this experience! 😀

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

😆 You're welcome!

@heikopanzlaff3789 2 жыл бұрын

Have a AOPA Navitimer Chronomatic with BHB 15 Microrotor. Got the matching clasp with the AOPA- Logo from Jean Zurbuchen in La Chaux de Fonds many years ago. Worked in Neuchatel that time. Also have a Old Navitimer with Breitling 13 ( Valjoux 7750 ) , a Cosmonaute with the Lemania and the new Navitimer 46- B01 in 18 kt. No chronograph- collection is complete without at least one Navitimer ...

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's quite some collection there, Heiko! Very nice :)

@moboutmen 2 жыл бұрын

Most impressive.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! More to come, so stay tuned :)

@torem2538 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video, I recently purchased a Seagull 1963, shipped from China. It has a transparent/plexiglass backside. I noticed that the movement in this Breitling is actually almost exactly lokking like the one i got on my wrist now. Could you, at some time, do a review of these Seagulls and do a comparisation. Thanks for the interesting content.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hei Tore, at some point I hope to have a seagull, but at the moment I don't. They bought the machinery from Switzerland to make the Venus 175, so the movement is basically the same.

@martinlouden9005 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely great video Stian. A very beautiful watch movement. I have an old Heuer with a Valjoux 724 inside. It looks remarkably similar to this Venus 78. Are they linked to one another?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, Martin! The Valjoux 724 is certainly a beautiful movement also, based on the 72 (which tracks all the way back to the 22). It is indeed quite similar in layout to the Venus 178, but it's not really related. They have some different design decisions in terms of the column wheel, the hammer mechanism etc, but to the eye they look very similar. I'd think this is more due to both being traditional layout column wheel chronos, but given that Venus started up later than Valjoux, it would sound reasonable that they looked to the more established company Valjoux when making their designs.

@faqih22 Жыл бұрын

Cute watch

@samnova450 4 ай бұрын

Great work on the watch. When do you use stop grease on the barrel spring?

@VintageWatchServices 4 ай бұрын

Thanks! You use braking grease when the mainspring slips inside the barrel, thus with an automatic mainspring.

@TheAirplaneDriver 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! What a great video! Beautifully presented and very interesting. I have no intention of taking apart my 2008 Navitimer World, but was intrigued to see what is inside. And here I thought it ran by magic 😀. How many years does it take to learn to do this? More parts in theses watches than in the space shuttle!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much and I like to think it's black magic 😎 How long you need to learn this is certainly a product of how much effort you put into it and how well built your brain and hands are for this type of work, plus the level of support you have in learning it! There's of course the much discussed 10,000 hour rule that you can break down on your own effort, but if you do this on a hobby basis all by yourself while reading some books and watching a lot of youtube videos I'd say you would want to successfully service at least 50 simpler watches before embarking on a 3 register chronograph. That might take 5 years or more on a hobby basis. Then again, if money is not an issue you can buy a few old running Venus 175/178 watches and just jump right into it 😁

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

And btw, your Navitimer World looks more like this inside: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLempbqanZnLdac.html than this old Navitimer. It has a Valjoux 7754 inside it, which is less complicated to service should you feel so inclined 😁

@TheAirplaneDriver 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices You certainly have the touch for this work. I can see it would take many years to get to this level of proficiency. Not just taking these precision instruments apart and putting them back together (staggeringly complex as that is), but also the skills necessary to evaluate the serviceability of each part and what to even look for if a watch is not functioning properly. With all that, you also need the artists touch! Black magic it is for sure. Thanks for your response and the insight. I love the AOPA version of the Breitling. I’ve been an AOPA member for nearly 30 years. You think they would give me one for all that loyalty 😀

@TheAirplaneDriver 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Thanks! I will definitely check it out. It is a wonder to look into the heart and sole of these watches. They are works of art.

@brucebarlow6604 2 жыл бұрын

When the Tax man comes to Audit the books at least he will be warm this winter. Keep well and warm from New Zealand. 😃

@littlejackalo5326 2 жыл бұрын

The rule in Switzerland is, as long as the tax man is getting more of your income than you are, you should be able to avoid audit. LOL. Sorry about all the nonsense going on in your neck of the woods. It's pretty disgusting.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bruce! I actually do stick pretty well to the rules and Switzerland is actually a pretty low tax country, believe it or not. I suppose one cannot pay too much taxes if one is to afford the other expenses in this place...

@mordeth1964 2 жыл бұрын

I've always loved the aviation chronographs. Along with Fliegers and true divers they are my favourite style of watch. I have a question: do you find there are any issues with disassembling a watch whilst it is still running? Love your work, keep it up! And cheers to you in Switzerland from myself down here on the beautiful (mostly sunny) south coast of NSW Australia👍 PS did you mean 15 degrees F or C..

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Morgan, thanks for watching and greetings from increasingly cold Switzerland! At some point the watch will stop when you disassemble it, but you want this to be controlled and not violent, as the force from a too rapid release of the mainspring power could cause damage to the wheel train or the pallet fork. What is F? 😉 The civilized world used Celsius 😁

@eshwarrao7358 Ай бұрын

Beautiful watch.. i like how busy the dial becomes and still is readable.. great work and as always great suggesstions... Question: I understand that this is a Venus movement, Seagull 1901 is also technically a Venus movement, did you ever work on that movement and how do you compate with this movement? Thanks again for all the work that you put together Stian!!

@VintageWatchServices Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! I haven't yet worked on the Seagull version of the Venus 175, but I do have one in my pipeline

@eshwarrao7358 Ай бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices I would love to see that when you get a chance to work on it.. i believe there is a Tourbillon version of it too.. i may be wrong.. thanks much.

@sma1968 Жыл бұрын

I love your videos and they are SO SO helpful. :). I am just about to embark on a 1967 Navitimer service. I was wondering if you could tell me which pushers you used? (because it also needs new ones) The caps measure 3.8 in diameter; I don't think that's correct though, is it? Thread size, etc -- Any help or info would be very appreciated! Thank you!

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Hello Stefan, I bought the pushers at Cousinsuk.com. You'd simply have to measure the size of the case opening and the head of the pusher, I'm afraid.

@DaveMGmovies 2 жыл бұрын

Very enjoyable as always and hugely informative. How does a crystal get so scratched on the inside? Did Barry White do the previous services?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Dave, thanks for watching and for your question! Scratches isn't the right word, I should have said marks instead. I'm not sure exactly what the reason is, but you sometimes see this in really old crystals, so I assume it is some sort of chemical reaction. This one had especially one really deep mark that sort of looked like a small hair had melted into the plastic.

@s-s-s-suki8026 2 жыл бұрын

You're a bit blasé but I love these videos! Me, I love (vintage) SEIKOs ! Thank you for what you do!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Suki, I wouldn't actually consider myself blasé at all, but maybe I sound like it 😂 I also love Seiko and there will be many more Seikos on the channel!

@HarryLewinASR Жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you. My father-in-law left me an AOPA Navitimer which I loved. However even after being serviced by a specialist, the case was very susceptible to humidity and was often showing moisture under the crystal. For example, if it was in the room adjacent to my shower. I found it necessary to remove the watch before washing my hands. Was this a consequence of the design of the watch or a failure on the part of the servicer?

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Hello Harry, that sounds a bit worse than it should be, but the design of the watch with the slider rule indeed jeopardized water resistance. They changed the design later on for that very reason.

@petercampbell3828 2 жыл бұрын

A classic for sure, not like the behemoth cronos of today. Beautiful work.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter! Fully agree, this is a watch I could see myself wearing, but the Bentley models for instance make me cringe 😖

@PMS1950 Жыл бұрын

I quite agree. I recall seeing this particular model in my local watch retailers during the early 1960s. I think it was priced at about 50/56 English pounds. I couldn't afford it as my monthly salary was 32 pounds, but enjoyed just looking and being content with the experience.

@DavidLee-vu2bc 2 жыл бұрын

The vintage Navitimer are BEAUTIFUL and great history makes these classics CLASSIC!! Wouldn't touch the new ones (under CVC Capital Partners) but would pay a premium for the vintage.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree! I hate it when venture capitalists buy good companies, you just know they're only in it for the money and will screw anything over to suck the last cent out.

@DavidLee-vu2bc 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices So good to hear that from a professional...left like I was on an island with my opinion on venture capitalists and how this brand will get squeezed. I read last week that CVC is trying to sell a percentage of Breitling to Rothschild Bank.....not sure what that means but it can't be good. The really soft resale of used Colts and other models made me do some research and found that the brand was purchased by CVC in 2017. It all started making sense now. How many watches do you have to sell to pay for Brad Pitt and other celebrities endorsement....or advertising on boats in Bremen, Germany or Korea (seeing the boats made me feel like the luxury/exclusive feel of the brand was over - it is a numbers game now). Your video on the Navitimer is great!! Thanks for posting.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Well, when you're dealing with people to whom Gordon Gekko is a hero, you're going to get disappointed... I'm not at all a Breitling fan, but it's a brand with a strong legacy that I hope will not go lost just so some wall street a**holes can buy another yacht 😤

@gromit1996 2 жыл бұрын

With an older chronograph movement, like the Venus 175, is it best to have the chronograph functions running at all times when the watch is wound? Or... even with a new Seamaster chronograph Calibre 9300, do you engage the chronograph and keep it running or leave it stopped?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Clay, there's no need to leave the chronograph running, no. That would just lead to unnecessary wear. It's a good idea to use it every now and then, but also not really necessary. The only good reason I can think of to keep the chronograph running would be when you have a chronograph watch without a seconds hands, which are not very common anyway.

@gromit1996 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices I'd like to see some vintage Citizens on the channel... They made some nice chronographs. The 8110a Bullhead is nifty. A Seiko Pogue or other Speedtimer, all original would be amazing. Also, Bulova made some lovely watches in the past as well.

@boydsargeant7496 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video! Quick question re cleaning. I only have a hobby ultrasonic cleaner. Is there any watch parts I should never put in there? I use Elma cleaning products. I was wondering if balance, pallet fork and plated cases are ok in ultrasonic? Ta.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Boyd, a hobby ultrasonic should be safe for pretty much the whole movement, but place the parts in different beakers or run a few parts each time, especially the balance. Also make sure you use good fluids, both for cleaning and rinsing. The only items I've seen damaged in my ultrasonic are very worn chrono pushers and very large jewels, but likely there were cracks in the jewels before the ultrasonic and the machine only made them worse.

@boydsargeant7496 Жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServicesHi Stian, can you still get all parts for this movement? What are the most likely parts to break?

@boydsargeant7496 Жыл бұрын

Also Stian, did you find a service sheet for this? Where do you get yours? What search terms do you use in google to find them? I’ve never found an oiling guide for any movement, but can generally find parts documents from Cousins and watchguy for example.

@rickwheeler6811 2 жыл бұрын

Nice I have the same watch

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice! It's a classic for sure 👍

@CyberBeep_kenshi 2 жыл бұрын

Somehow i expect Breitlings to be used and scratched. Seen them a lot on auctions and they are almost always used, instead of hidden in a safe. Gorgeous movement this one

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

That's indeed true, cool observation! They kind of should be worn, I suppose, but given their price one might also expect them to not be that much.

@CyberBeep_kenshi 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices haha, cool. Ye i always consider it a REAL tool watch, that just keeps on ticking no matter how beat up it is lol. I often browse catawiki for 'bargains' and just for a hobby.

@mrz80 2 жыл бұрын

@@CyberBeep_kenshi My granddad or my dad one did eventually manage to kill one, apparently by dropping it on a concrete floor. You know what they say, "It's not the fall that kills you; it's the sudden stop at the end."

@CyberBeep_kenshi 2 жыл бұрын

@@mrz80 lol

@1959Berre 2 жыл бұрын

1959, it was a very good year. Since bank secrecy in Switzerland is no longer as strict as it used to be, there are gradually fewer ways to fool the tax collector.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

1959 might be your favorite year? 😂 Yes, cheating on your taxes isn't something I'd actually recommend in any country and in a few years when cash no longer exists, we're all screwed 😉

@bfx8185 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Collecting gold bricks in old fashioned is the way 😂

@Karol235 2 жыл бұрын

hello what is your opinion who made better chronographs? venus or landeron Regards Karol

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Karol, thanks for watching and for your question! Landeron made some very fine movements but they're mostly known for the 48 family. These are as you probably know cam switched and were produced in the millions, making them very easy to find for not a lot of money. They're not very refined however, and column wheel chronos are certainly a level higher in complexity and workmanship. Venus also made van switched movements, like the 188 that became Valjoux 7733, but they're better known for their column wheel ones. Giving an actual answer to your question is kind of impossible given these characteristics but I'd personally go for Venus. But then you of course also have other makers, like Valjoux, Lemania, Angelus etc...

@Roelasia 2 жыл бұрын

that's a nice one. I have the same just a Chrono button is missing and I have a hard time finding one.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's the sad thing with these watches nowadays... There are some Facebook groups that might be able to help and ebay or course. Good luck!

@gh778jk 2 жыл бұрын

OK, I watch ALL your videos and subscribed..... could you make some new ones ? My wife says it has a calming effect on me, so I feel obliged to ask for more....

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Happy wife, happy life! 😂 There's vacation right now in Switzerland, so the next upload will be in the weekend. The next couple of uploads will be a bit different, as I will talk about my own collection and some of the pitfalls when collecting vintage watches...

@gh778jk 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Oh good, she will be over the moon ! Looking forward to the next videos ! Paddy

@marekpaul6110 2 жыл бұрын

How could the inside of the crystal be scratched ?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Marek, thanks for watching and for your question! Scratches isn't really the best words, the crystal had a lot of deep marks. It seemed like some old dirt had more or less fused into the crystal and it took a lot of effort to get out. So much in fact that the crystal has lost its proper curvature there. I'm not entirely sure how this happens, but you do see it quite often in old plexiglass crystals. It likely is a chemical reaction of sorts that happens over a long time.

@sugmasigma 3 ай бұрын

I have a question… when I took mine apart I noticed there was a second metal ring… does that go under the thick metal movement housing or under the slide rule?

@VintageWatchServices 3 ай бұрын

It likely goes the same place it was when you took it off 😉

@sugmasigma 3 ай бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices I didn’t even notice it until after I was putting it back together… oh well 🤣

@bfx8185 2 жыл бұрын

Like Tax cheating stories :D :D (I think this is part one.) But superglue have a big place in watchmaking for example using it instead of shellac on the lathe ;) Double-sided tape is great to hold material in small CNC mill.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Purely theoretical stories of course and not to be considered an endorsement :) Superglue can be used instead of shellac indeed, but is more of an engineering habit than a watchmaker habit, I'd wager. But it's absolutely an option there. The double-sided tape trick sounds great, I'll try that!

@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands 2 жыл бұрын

No lack of little numbers in that dial.. eeek..

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

😂 Indeed! They're all for a real purpose, but still a busy dial.

@jezg084 2 жыл бұрын

This was so cool to watch as I have the same watch but stainless steel from 1962. Wondering if you tested it with a geiger counter? Would love to know how much radiation these put off.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

That's very nice to hear, Jeremy :) Yes, I always test old watches with a geiger counter, but the reading on this watch wasn't that high. I don't remember the exact number but it was so low I didn't need to take any extra precautions.

@jezg084 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices thanks for replying. Glad to hear the reading was low because I’ve been worried about wearing mine because of the radium paint on the dial

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

It's always good to have it checked, but you can wear any radium watch a couple of days a week without needing to worry about it.

@jezg084 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices thanks that’s good to know. I do currently keep it in my safe so not sure whether that’s smart because you could be trapping any gasses it gives off?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

@@jezg084 No, that won't be a problem. We're talking very tiny quantities here, so unless you have a lot of radium watches in your safe it'll be fine.

@cbr600rr50 4 ай бұрын

the large small sub hands go down...

@corkymiller Жыл бұрын

I notice that you always help the last inch of the mainspring into the winder with tweezers. Why can’t it just be wound all the way in?

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Hello Corky, it's just to make sure the bridle doesn't get stuck and damaged.

@freakysteve140281 2 жыл бұрын

I came for the watch service, I stayed for the tax tips!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Uh oh, I've been told the tax authorities also watched the video for that and are monitoring the comment section! 😂

@het_gele_teken 2 жыл бұрын

the new crown is delivered in a capsule... by the sound of it I'd say that's a gelatin capsule as used in medications. odd choice for a container since moisture and gelatin aren't really compatible.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what material the capsule is, but it seems some type of plastic. Watch parts aren't compatible with moisture either though, so you wouldn't want to get them wet in any case :)

@D-B-Cooper 2 жыл бұрын

I’d like to see a vid on how they make those small parts and especially those tiny screws.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello John, thanks for watching! There are no videos from any of the manufacturers on this as far as I know, probably because they either don't want to give away their trade secrets or because they don't want to show that most things are made in China nowadays 😉 There are some watchmaking channels out there where they make such small parts however, from the likes of Roger Smith to Reuben Schoots. Cool channels to watch!

@littlejackalo5326 2 жыл бұрын

There are several videos about it they're made on a machine called a Swiss machine or Swiss lathe (or colloquially known as a "Swiss"). You can look up Swiss machining videos or watch machining videos. I've seen several. John Saunders from NYC CNC did a tour of Nicholas Hacko Fine Watches. I'll post the link in a follow up comment so my whole comment doesn't get deleted because of a link. It's not 100% machining content, but it's still a pretty good look at a watch maker outside of Switzerland or China.

@littlejackalo5326 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rbuPacaKmLumhX0.html

@ugurylmaz7666 Жыл бұрын

👏👏👏

@Every_Day_Adventure 2 жыл бұрын

if you know, what is the parts count? Looks to be a complex assembly

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello David, thanks for watching! I don't know the exact count, but probably around 200 including the screws. It's a pretty complex mechanism indeed, but there are even watches with more than 600 parts!

@emildan772 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful piece of machinery. I would like to own one but is to expensive for me.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

They are pretty expensive indeed, but the well kept ones also rise nicely in value 👍

@sheemondallasgeorgia 2 жыл бұрын

How does a crystal scratch on the inside?

@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968 2 жыл бұрын

I can see why this watch is so beloved and has the status it has gained amongst collectors. Truly a classic beauty, I would love to own one myself, but I expect the price would be crazy. The internals look very complicated, so I think I'll pass on servicing one.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Gary, it's a wonderful watch for sure. And yes, they are very expensive, you'd need to expect upwards of 5000 euros for a nice one. Servicing it isn't for the faint hearted but when you've gotten a way along your watchmaking learning curve it's great fun.

@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Ouch! 5000 Euros and it's not waterproof to any great depth. But I know the value is in the name and the styling, which is absolutely beautiful.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

@@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968They're pricey for sure although I'm not sure why water resistance would have much to do with it 🤔 This was never a diver's watch, it's meant for the air, not the sea 😁

@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Just a personal thing. I like to have a watch that I don't need to take off in order to wash my hands.

@kingsbury26 2 жыл бұрын

You joke about superglue, but I had a "watchmaker" repair a Kendal and Dent with an English Lever movement. It didn't work very well, so I took it elsewhere, it turned out the original guy had indeed used superglue! The watch has a replacement movement, it dates from 1913 I couldn't leave it like that.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's just sad... It's unfortunately the case that some watchmakers do not have the proper attitude and integrity, but luckily most do :) I hope all is well with your watch, that's a great piece for a collection!

@PiratePhD 2 жыл бұрын

Is it an issue to leave the screws in during cleaning?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

No, as long as they are not completely loose. If they are very loose they might pop out and potentially escape from the cleaning basket into the jars, and then you'll have trouble finding them.

@johnhebert3855 Жыл бұрын

What does the slide rule ride on?

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

It sits on top of a little ledge in the bezel.

@kinghenry238 Жыл бұрын

How do you use the slide rule?

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

I have no idea 😂

@joehead1294 7 ай бұрын

Pardon me, but how do you scratch the inside of a crystal?

@terrypullen4632 2 жыл бұрын

You mentioned that the Breitling would be for sale. How much are they now? I wanted to buy one in Manchester in 1962 but couldn't get credit for the princely asking price of £66 as I had no credit history. At the time I was working 60 hours a week and coming home with £27 clear per week, good money in those days.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Terry, thanks for watching and for your question! This watch will indeed be put up for sale on our website and Chrono24 in a couple of weeks. We haven't yet looked at the exact price but it will likely be somewhere between €5000 and €6000. Thus slightly more than in 1962 😁