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When I sold for Porsche here in North Carolina, we had a few customers like this. One customer came in and purchased a 718 Boxster GTS in Carmine Red for his mom, deposit for a PTS 911 Turbo S 991.2, and a Macan GTS all just to get an allocation for the 991.2 GT2 RS. Also, this customer had a great network of coworkers who were all gear heads. He alone brought in probably $2,000,000 in business with referrals.

If people wouldn't pay over sticker and have an ounce of patience, we wouldn't have this problem in the first place.

The French fashion house Hermès were the first to pioneer this tactic in order to get customers allocations for the highly desired Kelly and Birkin bags. This method is now taking broader hold in the automotive industry. Frankly, it's a bloody shame and not something I would ever participate in.

The good thing about this video is that you can totally have a stroke or two and not miss any of the information. Video length: 10 Minutes, total content: 30 Seconds

I’m quite confused by the Porsche market today. I have 4 Porsches, including a GT3 and a GT3 RS but I lost my relationship with one dealer who sold to me at MSRP until the 991.2 GT3 RS when he asked for a premium. I moved my business over to a larger volume dealer, bought a Macan S to show my good faith for the future but when the 992 GT3 and GT3 RS came in, I got asked for $100+K ADMs. I passed and now I’m not sure I’ll ever buy another Porsche. I had been offered a 918 by Porsche back in 2013 (got the folder and brochure in the mail plus offered a test drive) but I didn’t buy it and now I’m nowhere with Porsche dealers. At this point, Ferrari is treating me better and I have a deposit on a 296 GTB with an allocation coming up for order later this year. That’s an MSRP deal and the dealer paid for a free customer tour at the Ferrari factory in September so they are treating me well. I still want the new GT3 RS but I haven’t found a Porsche dealer who values my business today. I’m open to a new dealer relationship, even out of state, and I’m willing to buy another Porsche as well as the RS but here in California, that gets me nowhere.

My neighbor has been a Porsche collector for years and always has the newest flagship car from Porsche. He also gets a brand new panamera turbo s every 6 months so I see why 😂😂😂

Wish more brands realized this. I ordered a 2022 king ranch tremor from my local ford dealer. Was going to trade in my 2018 Raptor. I’ve also had a bronco reservation for +2 years. They had a bronco raptor come in and had the audacity to offered it to me for 75k over MSRP. So I canceled my F-250 and took my business to another dealer.

Wow, so you are saying if I throw tons of money at a dealer they will let me buy more of their cars? Rocket science here folks

This makes about as much sense as going out with the hot chick's sister, in the hope that one day you will be able to marry the hot chick.

My buddy was interested in purchasing a 911 GT3 RS back in 2012. Plano Porsche had a brand new green one in their showroom and we decided I would drive him up there so he could purchase the car and drive it home. We pulled up in my brand new Lexus IS-F with paper plates and were ignored by all the salesman. We were never greeted or even acknowledged. Even as we walked passed several salesman outside smoking, nothing. Inside the showroom we had to ask the receptionist for sales help after viewing the car. My buddy advised he was interested in purchasing the vehicle even at their markup from MSRP. The salesman told him he has never purchased from them and that they are only interested in selling to their loyal customers. This pissed him off so much that he still will refuse to purchase any car under the VW corporation.

as someone who works at a porsche dealer in canada this is exactly how it works, although if you are willing to pay cash straight up and have every option on a new gt3 rs you might actually get the allocatio. and the customer who we gave the gt2 rs allocation too is probably the nicest guy ive ever met

"I am willing to be a sucker"

Probably one of the funniest videos I have ever seen. “This system is best for everyone involved.” No it isn’t. There is no guarantee that buying tons of cars from a dealer gets you an allocation for a car at MSRP. As soon as someone comes along and offers over MSRP, the dealer won’t care how many cars you have purchased from them, they are going with the person who will pay more for the limited car. What Porsche really needs to do is make more cars. Make 100k GT4s

I'm not that old (33), but I remember a time when paying window sticker was considered being a sucker. Now in today's world it's a deal 🙃

So instead of paying over sticker for a new GT car, your expected to just eat the depreciation of the "bridge car" over however long it takes for the GT car to be delivered? Sounds to me like you're still spending more money than just the sticker price either way.

[EXPLETIVES REDACTED] What a staggering and appalling viewpoint. If I was *ever* lucky enough to be in a position to afford a top end 911 (whatever they're calling it this week), I'd hope to be able to buy one. The suggestion repeatedly however that I should be lucky and have to encourage the Porsche dealer to lower themselves to perhaps consider selling me a car is staggering. To be clear, I'm not suggesting they *owe* me the opportunity, allocation or the car, but the suggestion I should casually "just purchase another two or three cars", particularly at this price point, to give the dealer a reason to talk to me when I can't fathom achieving funding *the* car in question is towering arrogance and a hideous and idiotic viewpoint to "just air" in public. Absolute insanity.

This is a crony system. A simpler, better, and more efficient system would be for Volkswagen/Porsche to put a lien on the title for a specified period of time, to ensure that the owner keeps the car rather than flipping it.

Or what Porsche could do is meet market demand and you cut out the flippers. If 10k people want a GT3/RS, make 10k of them.

This idea is BS. There are literally thousands of examples of people who did have "relationships" with dealers where the have purchased many cars over the years and when that customer wanted to purchase a hard to get car the dealer told them they didn't care how many cars they bought. Dealer then proceeded to tell the customer that if they wanted the hard to get car they would pay the crazy ADM over sticker.

We will see if they're still singing the same tune in a year from today.

In the UK, you will need to buy more than one car to get anywhere near a GT3 allocation. I have heard that one customer bought two Taycans and a Macan (in 12 months) and he was not able to get an allocation!!!

Step one: be extremely rich, rich enough to buy a dealerships worth of cars

Enjoy your leverage while you have it dealers. It will come to an end even for porsche. This is a pretty rosey spin on forcing a customer out of a car they like, into a car the are ok with, to wait for the car they really want......not that I have a better solution in mind.

Just got a pre-owned Macan Turbo and inquired about a GT3 Touring and the dealer actually had an allocation. Only catch is $125,000 over sticker.

There is a real art to playing the new-car-dealer game. Good lessons here.

This is exactly true. My first Porsche ever was a Panamera because that's all they had on the lot in 2012...then I was lucky enough that the dealer told me I could get my actual dream 911 after I had purchased it, then the 911 Targa 4S, then the Porsche Macan Turbo, then the Porsche Cayenne Platinum and now a Porsche 911 Turbo. Finally after owning 4 different Porsches and still have the Cayenne, I got the Turbo. It only took ten years or buying and owning Porsches......Good luck.

A car salesman telling you to buy 2 or 3 cars today so I'll sell you another in a year and a half sound like they want you to eat their depreciation while paying taxes end everything else plus the salesman commission sounds like he's trying to push this hard

I wish I had known or thought about this strategically - muggins here has bought 6 Porsches, each from a different dealer. As far as getting an allocation for a GT3, it's not happening for me, but I have a hard time getting worked up about it - the 992 doesn't really do it for me. It's more sensible to just pay the market premium to get a pre-owned 997 or a 991 Touring. If I could get over reliability concerns I'd be all over a McLaren Artura, which a dealer would gladly sell me.

This is the same situation with Rolex. Ultimately it’s very good for business but terrible for consumers

This fella is a damn good storyteller and facts are straight on point, or the speculations etc, more of him Ed!

Wish that was the case. But my dealership still will charge you 60k over for a Turbo s and 100-150k over for an RS. They don't care how many cars you have purchased from them. I tried buying 3 and all were heavily marked up.

Have Porsche buddy who has a 718 GT4 RS on order, he had a 911 GT3 before traded it in, and they had him pick up a Taycan as the interim car so this tracks. Also, I was on the other side of the fence with my G80 M3 order. Took 10 months to get my build 6 of which was spent just waiting for an allocation. Then because of shortages and flippers I couldn't get all the spec's I wanted. Still ecstatic with the car but maybe porsche is worth looking at next.

This video brings up some good points and this method would likely net you access to a gt3 or gt3rs but with shortages getting better and the economy worsening, it is likely the line for these cars will dry up soon. But people also tend to forget that there are other cars than Porsche 911s.

dealer markup is straight up scam. shame on people who try to argue in favor of it

FYI - for anyone trying to get a 992 GT3RS, good luck. This won't likely work for you unless you buy 10+ cars. My dealer (in dallas) just to get a 992 GT3 you have to have bought at least 6 cars, and be a returning customer. I have a friend who bought about 12 cars from them and couldn't get a GT3RS allocation without waiting another year in line. And he currently has a 992 GT3 too which is crazy to think about.

My problem is the ONLY WORKS right now with inflated values. The second values dip all of a sudden you’re 100k under water because the 3 cars you bought to get your GT3RS are now worth substantially less. Used cars will not and should not trade hands for equal/more than MSRP. And trying to make this process work on a corporate level would require changing an entire company culture. It works for Ferrari because as far as I know, Ferrari has always operated this way and they carry a significant premium over the likes of comparable cars.

My porsche dealership parts department treats me wonderful. Also it's convenient to get all my vehicle parts from the same place. They also have really great factory upgrades for their late model and classic cars.

I blame people who cannot wait to get stuff, "life it too short" kind of bulls*t. I would never play dealers game. I prefer taking a bus than burn money to get something I do not want with the expectation of *maybe* getting something in the future. Lets wait few years and see where dealers are going to be. I remember going into a Porsche Dealler in 2018 and buying a Macan GTS with 10% off MSRP and a bunch of extras and it was a easy transaction.

I tried to buy a Taycan Turbo S during the COVID shortage from a dealer 40 miles from my house, only to be told that I lived too far away-they only wanted “local” customers. Now that same dealer is bombarding me with emails and text messages about Taycans that they can’t move. 😂

I'm actually in the process of doing this. I had ordered a Macan GTS for daily use and got interested in a GT3 Touring. Flippers are asking 50 to 60K above sticker (and none were available at the dealer). However a 911T was coming in with the GTS and I bought that at sticker and will put a deposit down on a GT3.

For a minute there I was worrying that the world is in a recession.

when i buy a new vehicle, i drive / ride it. both my 2019 ram 1500 quad cab 4x4 hemi and my 2019 kawasaki zx14r have low mileage. less than 19k miles COMBINED. no plan on selling either. had to wait 2.5 months while the ram (special ordered) was being built and the bike matched the truck so i bought it too. im a big fan of metallic pearl black paint.

Shout out to Mark Tuzzolino at Porsche Huntington, great & honest salesman.

I don’t live in this world of “lesser desirable 911s,” but now I know a world like this exists. Lol Makes sense and honestly once those are traded in, it’ll supply the pre-owned Porsche market an inventory

Good concepts. But not everyone wants to lose money on multiple cars to get one car. I think theres much refinement left here.

First vin wiki video that said nothing and provided nothing of value. This guy literally said don’t whine and do what the dealer wants and let them rob you blind with the ad fees And all the bs that might get you in their graces . Dealers don’t care if you promise to be a loyal customer or buying a bridge car . They want their 100k over and that’s it . Supply and demand as they say. I’ve called all over Cali to get a gt3rs for a prominent and well known collector and they don’t care about the marketing value or anything dealers are only thinking short term and becoming the flippers themselves . They are only making flippers with more money charge way more later .I think it’s better to start good relationships with resellers at this point.

I'm just curious for the final production figures for the 992 GT3 RS.

If you get on a waitlist early enough (10 months minimum) you should have a decent chance at getting an allocation.

My friend got the 2nd 992 GT3 in the nation and he’s getting one of the first RS on order

This is an accurate description of what it takes to buy a new GT car. In Ontario Canada a dealer walked me through this process. On the surface it seems like Porsche is following a bad policy- but the reality is that GT cars are like houses in 2007 or 2021- speculators are controlling prices. So Porsche has adapted a Ferrari like policy. BTW- these cars aren’t the only ones - i challenge anyone who dumps on Porsche or Ferrari to try and get the new Corvette Z06 without being an historic vette customer

A little late to the party but I finally have come into some money and I have wanted a GT3 since i was a kid. This 992 generation is amazing but I have been having a hard time justifying that 60 to 100k mark up. I will be looking to make the purchase within the next year, hoping a 992.2 comes out relatively soon to bring down the prices on the 992.1s. If not, will probably be looking into a 991.2 GT3 / RS

I purchased three Porsches in two years and the dealer treated me like dirt and I will never go there again.

I've thought this was the way to work hard to get items for awhile. A lot of dealers are shady, but if you come at the deal realizing they need to make money too it goes a lot better. When it comes to negotiating you cant expect the dealer to make zero, unless they way over paid for something.

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As a long time Porsche owner, i think length of time one has owned and driven them should be the biggest factor. it should be something like minimum of 5 years ownership of sporting models (no suv's) and you need to prove that you drive the thing 5-10k a year, track days also should score more points towards an allocation. If i could get a gt3rs allocation i would daily & track it like every Porsche i have owned 🙂 when the market eventually collapses and it will just like gpu's did, i will pick up a garage queen example race prep it, immediately take it to to the track and put it to proper use.

Thats a really good point, walking in expecting to be front of line is crazy. I like what hes saying (most commenters that don’t like what hes saying probably are never gonna buy one anyway 😂)

This is out of date in my area. New 911's, even the base and S versions, have a 1-3 year waiting period for the allocation. You can't just offer to buy one to get a GT3 later because they don't have one to sell you and the GT3 already has a waiting period that takes it into the next version of the car.

This is not necessarily true, in Houston my friends has bought about 7-8 new Porsches from the dealership and still has no allocation to a GT3 or GT3RS that he wants. He literally bought two 718 Spyders over sticker, 992 GTS, two Macan GTS, GT4, GT4RS over sticker, etc. Feel bad for the guy throwing away so much money.

"Friend", "great relationship"... um no. The dealer is bending you over backwards and stealing as much money from you as they can get all while giving you the middle finger. What a joke

I’m a 50s single guy who’s father had 911’s and grandfather had 356’s. I’m finally at the point in my life where I can pay cash and build a relationship but can’t find an allocation. I am not willing to buy a bunch of shit I don’t need. I’ve been fortunate enough to do multiple BMW Euro-deliveries through the decades, but Porsche is being hard to deal with. I’m not a flipper. I want to spec a new car, then get another one at 100k miles.

Dealers will tell you to do this and "become a customer" then sell the gt3 over sticker price to someone else when it comes in.

Same system with limited edition BMWs (M4 CSL and 3.0 CSL - good luck with that last one with 50 made) or most Rolex Daytona models.

If this guy works at MAG in Ohio never go to that dealer!! Ask anyone from Ohio about MAG. Bad experiences to every single person

And that's one of the reason why we all hate dealerships. I kinda like the Tesla business model where you get to buy directly from manufacturer at MSRP. I went to MB dealership and they wanted $50k more for a $100k MSRP. Guess I'll be driving my old car until the recession beats some sense into these people. Hope car markets get back to normal and these people don't get to rob us just to buy a car.

such a crappy situation that its come to the point that you need to purchase 1 or 2 super high price cars that you didnt particularly want, just to get the chance to buy a car you wanted...

My dealer is acting below average with clients whom being with him since 2005, that is Qatar Porsche dealer, and despite my continuous communications to Porsche reporting him nothing happened, so I decided to go to another Car brands despite my childhood and still passion to the 911

"How to be a Porsche V.I.P.": Just buy several cars at several hundreds of thousands of dollars!! 🙄🙄 Oh its that easy?!?!

6:00 you lost me. "dont feel entitled" sir im buying a goddamn luxury sports car im entitled to having it if im gonna pay. This whole video just enforces why we need to get the dealers to just be service shops. Manufacture to customer should be the norm. These entitled middle men need to go.

This is why car companies keep running out of money they want fans not customers. All they should care about is how many cars they can move and how much money they can net

It depends which Country You're in though, I have a friend who have built strong relationships with the Local Dealership and He was told people who buy the exclusive Porsches are not allowed to flip the Cars anymore. Once discovered by Porsche, they will be Automatically Blacklisted for Life within the Dealership network and can't buy any Porsche or given any allocation at All. Also He knows another Friend who literally just walked up to the Dealership and said He wanted a GT4RS straight up without the BS of buying a bunch of Cars from Porsche before getting allocation, that was 2 years ago when the first Spy Photos leaked on Nurburgring (He previously owned a 991.1 GT3RS and 718 GT4) and He got His allocation in early April this year. My Friend only got a 718 GT4 and was also given allocation to a GT4 RS as well, but declined because He wanted a 992.2 GT3. So it really depends How You build the relationship and talk to the Dealerships.

This guy is high af 🤣

It's the epitome of the Human Condition, and Porsche has successfully capitalized on it.

That's a solid strategy to keep the cars in the enthusiast hand while moving more units.

Ok......I couldn't afford to buy ONE Porsche before so now that you have to buy three at time I definitely can't lol

I’ve bought 2 Porsches and sold them 2 hoping to get a allocation for a Dakar

Reminds me of Manny this man got 6 on order lol

Never thought I would hear a Ford Explorer mentioned so much when talking about ordering 250,000 dollar cars

This is great but also a shame because I graduated up from a 718 to my first 911 C2S and now thirsting wistfully for a GT3, I've thoroughly enjoyed my vehicles and the brand. I think the best of my Atlanta sales team, but as someone who works hard and saves up independent of social media, influencer status, or just raw cash, it can be disheartening that the brand that made me enjoy driving and motorsports is showing signs of this practice.

Yeahhh…and I’m over here just trying to just get a 996 4S or a 997. Thanks for the tips man. 🙄

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Problem is there are so many people already playing this game that you can’t buy enough cars to get on the list. I spoke to dealer the other day who was personally delivering their customers 100th Porsche!!

Do an appraisal on whistlindiesels collection!!

This is how we did some z06 orders, made em trade what they had for a Camaro or something else and then took that back for 90%

I'd love to hear Ed's thoughts on gmg automotive 🤔

Is that Johnny bananas?

Tried this twice but didn't work yet. You need to ensure the dealer cares. I'd say more than half of Porsche dealers are corrupt. You need to get lucky and find the right dealer.

He’s telling you the smart way to get yourself the car that will be impossible to get.

I raced with this dude in Vegas

The basic issue is that Porsche has created a geographic and supply-side problem by setting the MSRP so low. If the MSRP and distribution were done correctly, there would be no secondary market. Set the 992 GT3 MSRP at 300k and the secondary market will disappear.

If a dealer is telling you to do something like this, do you really think it's in the best interest of the buyer? .... like come on now lol let's be serious for once lmao

Doesn't exactly work with Ford and relationship in SoCal. I have bought nine new F-150s (contractor) over 1.5 years and was told 50k over market adjustment on the GT500. "Sorry we cant help you out". I'm happy getting zero markup on the trucks and headed elsewhere for my sportscar. Might just be a SoCal thing but good luck on your GT3 hunt.

Welcome to the sneaker reseller world 🤣 (it’s not fair)

Dream or what it would be to own a Porsche for a long time. It’s all of that and more.

why did i come to this video hoping i could just chat up a sales person in a certain way and get my GT3 finally

What is your favorite Porsche?

Me taking notes with no money in my bank account

Drinking game Window Sticker! 🍺

911 market has been dropping for a few months: I hate straight flippers.

This is the same crap Rolex does.