Totally agree, but there was another fighting game in the arcades at the same time that caught my attention for a different reason… had something to do with seeing jiggle physics for the first time in a 3D fighter! 🤣

@Kirby lover Soul Calibur on Dreamcast. In just a few years, arcade technology had gone from being tens of thousands of dollars worth of state of the art to being shamed by a launch title on home console. It's why many older gamers are disappointed by the PS5 and Series X. We had decades worth of sudden massive generational leaps....and that era is gone, forever.

Agreed

@@juststatedtheobvious9633 no. Unreal engine 6 is the next gen graphics but no company is using it yet. The last unreal engine is still relevant + graphics have not been as important as game mechanics. All the crash bandicoot remasters still feel like the games i played in 1998 and that’s because the game features matter more than graphics which is superficial

Yep. As someone who had played the shit out of VF2 on arcade and Saturn, seeing this in SegaWorld London was insane. It was my final boss arcade at the end of the SegaWorld. I was diabolically shit at it compared to VF2 though

I think VF3 was just a victim of circumstance at the time. The game is excellent no doubt about it. Problem was that there were just other more intriguing fighting games at that point with tekken, DOA, and Soul edge, plus all the amount of ridiculously good 2d fighters we were getting from capcom, snk, rare and mortal kombat. It also didn’t help that it took too long to get a home console port of the game, VF3 should’ve been a Saturn game, it was still good but way outdated by the time it came out for Dreamcast

Graphically it was sure but mechanically in terms of 3D movement, in 1996, Tobal #1, and in 1997 Tobal 2, both by Dreamfactory, developed for Square, by Seichi Ishii, former lead Game Designer for the original Virtua Fighter, and Motomu Oniguchi, former lead motion designer for Virtua Fighter (who both of them worked on Tekken btw), outdid Virtua Fighter at the time by being the first true free 3D movement hand to hand fighter (Namco's Soul Blade also was out by 96's with its 8 way run system, but that was a weapons based fighter). Where the only 3D movement for VF3 was isolated to a 3D dodge button (not too much different from Takara's Battle Arena Toshinden series which had a 3D dodge roll mechanic). But in Tobal #1 and 2, not only was the 3D movement fully controlled via the directional pad/stick, but animations such as low kick to shin leg staggering, reversals on throws, more intricate grapple mechanic (of which neither VF or Tekken has to this day evolved up to its standard), short hop dodges, Just-Frame attacks etc. Unfortunately Tobal #1 was heavily overshadowed by the upcoming release of FF VII which had a demo disc packaged with it, and Tobal 2 never even got localized.and neither had arcade versions.

@@budgiecat2885 good information, I played tobal around the time of its release and it was a really good game but just as you mentioned it was just overshadowed by other games.

@@budgiecat2885 Yea I played Tobal as a kid. It was a good game that tried some really unique things, it was just up against too many giants within the 3-D fighter genre.

Yet Japan plays this and VF5FS to this day in the arcades compared to even 4FT and the other games.

With Rollback please 🥺

She’s so fun to play and her win quotes are savage

Yahoo 😂

3D fighter games should bring back more stage interactivity. It was cool in DOA4 that you could knock someone down the stairs and each fighter had a different method of doing so. I miss that.

The dead or alive series continued what vf3 had started with the stages. Unfortunately the sequels to vf3 abandoned the uneven stages idea. i would disagree about them not being competitive friendly - imo if they can exploited by one player they can be exploited by his opponent as well.

@@CrystalTigerclaw DoA5 had uneven areas Not sure about DoA6 as I only have the F2P Core Fighters version which has limited stages but from what I gather I think theyre all flat

@@LeonidThe90sKid Thing is (well Tekken also abandoned uneven stages from Tekken 4), side stepping movement in both VF4 and on and Tekken 5 and on are quite minimal in movement. Hell, a lot of the people I play online in VF5 dont even use sidestep (a mistake to be sure but we know VF is a very deep game that takes a while to master). So sidestep really is imperative strategy wise for traversing uneven stages. Hell, I would even argue throwing in a Battle Arena Toshinden style dodge roll (incidentally, the Toshinden game for Wii (no relation to the "Battle Arena Toshinden" series despite the same name) had a really good side step dash feature where it was kinda like some of the older Naruto games in you could dash almost behind your opponent. Not to mention the Rival Schools series. Another issue with uneven stages (which I think could have been fixed later on with proper programming), was how if your opponent is on the 'low ground' and you have the 'high ground' your punches would just whiff over their heads while they get free hits. This is what made people think uneven stages 'were not competitor friendly'. Now in a real fight. if someone is lower than me, and I want to throw a jab or a back punch, I'm still gonna aim to hit them; I'll just punch at a lower angle (without having to crouch). Conversely, if I'm on the low ground, I would punch or kick upwards You know how VF3 introduced character eye tracking? It'd be kinda like that. Your characters arms or legs would 'automatically' track the height of your opponent if they were higher or lower than you due to the stage.

@@budgiecat2885 excellent detailed explanation!

because in the 90s arcade games were produced on hardware way too expensive for the home market

i think the aou demo looked way better than the final product and especially the dreamcast version.

Still has trouble being emulated properly to this day, 25 years later.

Now that you mention it, VF3 is only on Dreamcast. A VF Collection would be good right about now.

You and me both brother!

@@sdzero Officially yeah but you can play it on a Raspberry Pi 4 for like $40. No online play tho of course. Though I think theres a PC app now that people can play others online via any game

You can play it on Fightcade 2 in the Fly cast emulator.

@@DARS_04 DC version though 🤢

Big fan lol

They better put SOME GODDAMN RESPECT ON DA NAME! Virtua Fighter, The Mother of 3D fighting games, gave birth to the innovation of the genre which the babies Tekken and Dead or Alive sucked from the titty of. Especially DOA with the control scheme and the sequel with the uneven environments. DOA went hard on that titty milk like Goddamn it showed from the presentation of the ladies with all them physics. That's what happens when u hog all the milk,lol!

SEGA Saturn version of Virtua Fighter 2 introduced the learning mode when players could teach AI their style then goes in Expert Mode. I remember training Jeffrey and then playing against him when he literally beat badly the first time. That was the precursor of AI mimicking players including the champions based on their training..

that depends if VF5US exceeds profit and popularity expectations. VF was on hiatus this long because VF5 and VF5FS didn't sell as much as they should have. so this might be the last chance for this generation for the consumerbase and mainstream customers to prove there is a big enough demand for a VF6 to be profitable based on how much VF5US is downloaded and its DLCs purchased.

if VF5US exceeds profit and popularity expectations, Sega would do more for the fans. so the mainstream really has to help VF5US succeed. mainstream profits is what has series give more in return, just look how many times SF gets collections.

@@fivefive9514 Limiting it to one system isn't doing them any favors....

@@markellhawthorne2921 tell that to nintendo hogging exclusives like Pokemon instead of sharing. Exclusives can still make big money, plus exclusives can focus on one platform instead of stretching their development thin. look at how cheap remasters like Romancing SaGa 2 remaster look cause they had to make sure it could run on mobile too. Samurai Warriors 5 is being dumbed down and less characters because of Switch hardware. KOF XV is not as high graphics as it could have been if it skipped Switch port. Plus if Sega has a deal with Sony, that is more secure than selling it as a buy to play product, which VF is known to be underrated and hasn't been selling as much as it should anyways. so free to play on PS Plus is a brilliant move that could pay off in the long term.

I hate tekken. I grew up with virtua fighter ever since I was born in 2000. Trust me, I maybe a young 20 years old kid but I grew up far more old stuff than half of the world already accustomed to. I love 80s to 90s games, music and I started VF with 4 back in 2007. Was mind blown when I saw the graphics. From a jacky main

AAh man! I wouldn't be surprised if you and I fought it other back in those days as I use to play VF3 in Hamleys Oxford Street too! It was so magical back then. incredible feeling.

Muito bom mesmo, também to acompanhando hehe

Não estou surpreso em te encontrar por aqui! A propósito um Sega Saturn Mini com o suposto protótipo de Virtua Fighter 3 seria incrível para esse ano!

@@diegosel0088 Vai sonhando, eu também queria, mas vai sonhando. kkkkk

Nobody would try. It was the best-looking video game at the time.

I don't think there is any question of this not being the best graphics of 1996. It was the most graphically advanced game available at the time of its release. Model 3 was the most advanced technology at the time.

Well she did voice Joy when you make phone call o her...

I heard that was in the works

@@ricepony33 Really?! That's cool. VF really is a series deserving of a technical breakdown of the technology and graphics of each game.

1st person view option should be added to VF5 Ultimate Showdown, I would always use it, I always use it when I turn on Sega Dreamcast to play VF3tb.

@@fivefive9514 Holy cow! Are you able to use it effectively? I find first person so disorienting that I have to unmap the camera button lest I hit it accidentally while playing. Maybe I should actually try it some time though...

@@smbhax2000 its totally fine to me. yea the directions are not altered to match the perspective like Bushido Blade does it, but I get used to first person easily. I beat the game using first person in every round. the only downside is having to manually press L/R to switch back to first person cause every round the default is 3rd person, but I just hold guard before the round starts so I can switch to first person while protecting from a possible blitz attack, then its smooth experience from there. They seriously should add that option to VF5US. it would be a cinch to patch in. Im sure they are concerned about people accidentally enabling it, but just tuck it in a controls option that can be equipped and it's a nonissue for 3rd person players.

VF4 Evolution is the best Virtua Fighter. I'll Just Frame Knee Kick anyone who says otherwise.

It's most definitely top 3 fighting games on the PS2 for me up there with Tekken 5 and Soul Calibur III.

Vf4 Evo was awesome.

@@saadhasan2518 sadly it's suck compared to vanilla vf4 because no memory card slot 2

@@NihilisticIdealist The amount of content in VF4 Evo was insane. And it launched as a $20 Greatest Hits game!

SEGA helped Obi-Wan beat Anakin

@@mollywantshugs5944 yeah and Sega Does Nintendo'nt.

Yep, NOT Dead or Alive.

Then Tekken 4 follows

@@michaeloffgrid Obviously that was before DoA2 was ever came out, the original DoA (M2 Arcade/Saturn) played like VF, just faster than that game.

That's a great perspective on it

They should've kept the dodge button. That button could also be used for dashing and crouch dashing and made advance movement more accessible.

VF3 was also the last VF where objects (like Pai's hat) worn by certain characters dropped upon a hard hit. VF3 introduced block animations (disappointingly dropped in VF4 until VF5FS) like a low sweep kick stopped upon lower guard from an opponent..

That would've been nice

Petition Sega to Release a Saturn Mini with The Canceled VF3 for the Saturn as the main highlight like Nintendo did with Starfox 2, & a Genesis port of Tetris.

Best game with terrible character balance

Same. Definitely the best followed by VF5 R, VF5 version D, Vf4 Final Tuned, Vf4 Evo, Vf5 Final Showdown, Vf2 then vf1.

If Sega did a VF collection they should add the dummied out characters plus a playable Dural for VF1.

Considering they literally have a lot of franchises.

@@M0rinkashi Yeah, lot of *ignored and forgotten* franchises, unfortunately.

@@JasonMabone True...

Yeah, definitely not the most durable hardware console wise, had many a burnt out machines when it came to the laser motors and man could those things grind away if the game required it to stream a lot from the disc. You know when you put a disc in and it didn’t fire up it was game over, time to get a new one.