this trilogy felt like two kids ad libbing a star wars adventure and complaining to eachother how to play "right" with their toys

"Snoke Bits: part of a *balanced* breakfast" Not sure you even understood, in the moment, how perfect that joke was

The Jedi: **gasp** It's Emperor Palpatine! Palpatine: Yesss. It was meee. And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling Jedi!

"You didn't need to be from a Lineage to be great." Wasn't that one of the Points of the Prequels? Those hundreds of Jedi-Knights weren't all part of some special Bloodline.

You thought it was R2-D2, but its was I, D-O.

Suddenly I'm getting GOT Season 8 flashbacks

Apparently, Disney and Marvel released a tie-in comic that explains that Palpatine impregnated Shmi Skywalker, who as we know gave birth to Anakin. Anakin then impregnated Padme, who gave birth to Luke and Leia, and Leia gave birth to Kylo Ren. Now given the fact that Rey is Palpatine’s granddaughter (which shouldn’t be a spoiler since it had been leaked prior to the release of ROS), and many people ship Rey and Kylo, that’s a little...... yeah.

If TLJ didn't exist and the second film was spent setting up the return of Palpatine then TRoS would have felt earned and less rushed. I honestly believe JJ had a narrative in mind when he made TFA and it was Johnson that's responsible for the shitstorm that followed. I'm shocked that CE thinks JJ had opportunities to develop the story after TLJ, especially after they killed the main villain, killed off the most beloved character and essentially wrapped up the narrative. The 2nd film in a trilogy should push the story, not resolve it. JJ was essentially written into a corner and expected to create an entirely new arc, new villains and a new narrative in a single film. I also strongly disagree about Rose, she is a shallow, poorly written character.

I honestly thought the franchise should’ve ended with Return of the Jedi. Sure The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi was good. But Rise of Skywalker left me conflicted

I still very much disagree with you on The Last Jedi. I thought it was terrible, but I respect your opinion. The Rise of Skywalker got dumb at times, but I enjoyed it still.

This was a very fair review. Nice to see those still exist for Star Wars films.

Agree with everything you said my good man. Not as bad as everyone else says it is, but still not the best.

2:57 - That is not an excuse. If they didn't have enough time to write a story that made sense then they should have delayed the release date.

Snoke being a lab clone is no more satisfying than no background. It's still no background. It's just a one line explanation for the sake of saying they gave an answer. No depth. Nothing intriguing. And not the original idea when snoke was designed.

Never trust endings (or franchises) to J.J. You will be disappointed.

The Star Destroyers in this movie were stupidly easy to take down

The first kinda feels a bit like Indiana Jones but with Star Wars

3:50 The Mike Stoklasa theory (which I think makes the most sense) is that the guy who got thrown down the open shaft in "Return of the Jedi" was a clone, and this guy is somebody we've never really met, the original (ancient) Darth Sidious. It's dumb, but that is the hole Abrams dug for himself, one of many.

The Holiday Special isn't looking so bad now, folks!

And with Lando coming I was like “THANK YOU!!!”

I've seen people point out that Palpatine wins. PALPATINE FUCKING WINS. All the Skywalkers are dead. Their legacy is destroyed. It doesn't matter that Anakin redeemed himself and killed the Emperor. The Emperor just ressurected himself. It is *Palpatine's* granddaughter who defeated him, who is the great hero of the galaxy. It is his legacy that lives on in glory.

At 0:09 I was hoping he would have added ".....none of which want to be involved in another 'Star Wars' film the rest of their lives."

This entire saga for me personally sounds like a bad attempt at adapting Timmothy Zahn and even Paul and Hollace Davids’ works. They never really gave any reason for us to care about what happens to Rey, Ben, Finn, ANY of these new characters. Any major development is handled through spin off comics and books, and yeah, that’s what the EU did with older characters before Disney came around, but there’s only so many times you can come back to a franchise and attempt to breathe new life into it before it just stops feeling alive. I can remember a time when I felt devastated that Revenge of the Sith would be the last Star Wars film and then excited to see a new one more than ten years later. That magic for me is gone. Great that it’ll continue until the sun kills us all, but a thing isn’t beautiful because it lasts.

there is an UNNAMED background extra whit more screentime than Rose.

You got the part with Star Destroyer navigation a bit off. The idea was that the atmosphere of the planet was really crazy and dangerous, that's why getting off the planet was complicated.

I cannot wait for Cinematic Venom's reaction to this.

Are you thinking of doing a spoiler review? I feel like this is one where you’d have a lot more to say if you had spoiler allowances.

Luke and Leia being siblings was not a retcon, it changed nothing that came before it.

I'm with you, I really enjoyed the movie, despite it's flaws. It feels like it is both sequels that JJ Arams had planned, crammed into one. All you have to do is switch out Leia training Rey with Luke, and when Rey goes back to the Jedi planet to talk with Luke he's alive instead of being a force ghost. And then you change it so Snoke was doing everything that the Emperor did, including possibly being related to Rey. Everything else in The Last Jedi didn't really amount to anything.

"Something something something something Snoke Bits."

Just saw it. Loved it

Voodoo Dolls in both Star Wars and Indiana Jones. What next lol 😂

Do you plan to post a review with spoilers?

Wow this is the most balanced review I ever seen

Basically, this movie’s biggest flaw, from everything I gathered, is that it’s basically a fix-fic of the last few Star Wars installments (hence Rose being relegated to a background character). But I’m glad here’s one person who did enjoy it a fair amount and can stay level-headed even in the face of it’s flaws, because as someone who’s not the biggest Star Wars fancy the planet, the toxicity of the fandom only makes me want to distance myself from the franchise.

THe time does work if you consider cloning.....They can create clones fully grown. Because that's a thing now. In all honesty, how well could you see Exegal's surface? to know which way is up?

What if the Palpatine in this movie was just a computer program that thought it was Palpatine and Rey just turned him/it off.

great review man and honestly i thought this movie was really disappointing but i am glad you enjoyed this movie more then i did.

D-O was voiced by JJ Abrams. And as far as this movie goes, I liked it. It probably makes more sense in context if ya watch all 9 movies of The Skywalker saga, excluding the spinoff movies since they're more about the larger universe, but that's just my 2 cents. The pacing was a bit rushed, but at the same time it's Star Wars so pacing can be all over the place depending on which movie and how ya watch it.

I'm just thankful Mandalorian came out the same year as this.

If nothing else, at least JJ had the courtesy NOT to include Kylo Ren at the end to stand with Leia and Luke--unlike Lucas who included young Anakin at the end of ROTJ.

Dude, as fellow smegheads I congratulate you for watching final thingy that so called starwars trilogies, boy I'm disappointed, now do marathon by order for starwars saga, does your opinion change or not.

Finally someone agrees with me about Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. Last Jedi expanded on the world and gave nuance, yet didn't in anyway restrict next ones direction. Rise of Skywalker was fine, but very clearly was trying to cram too much into the runtime. There were multiple moments that made it very clear scenes had been cut out to make the runtime. I absolutely assumed there would be extended cut released to bluray, when I walked out. So did my friends. In fact some of the stupid stuff felt so stupid because it felt it was there to cut time. There had been better way to achieve the next point in the plot, but it took too much time so it was replaced with something stupid but instant.

" Lando's back in live action!" Solo?

You are so far, the only KZfaqr I've seen that doesn't hate the last Jedi. Good on you. Personally, I didn't like it as much as force awakens, but I didn't hate it either. It was a flawed but very entertaining flick.

Bringing back Palpatine kinda means Anakin Skywalker redeemed himself for nothing.

I've passed on this final (?) "Star Wars" film because the Turd trilogy was a this-generation version of the first trilogy. Did I want to see the "new Star Wars" IV/V/VI again? I have the original, so what's the point? Plus, do I want to see interesting characters appear and get killed off like Wet Ones wipes? Walt Disney used to e known for better movies than these "guitar picks."

In terms of explaining Anakin's origin, Sidious's origin, the implication of lost knowledge due to the ravages of war, the way a religion tries to gain understanding via the deeper meanings of its own doctrines and philosophies, midi-chlorians make total and complete sense.

Being someone who LOVES cereal, I’d totally eat Snook bits!

One thing I said then: I kinda want JJ Abrams to be assigned to a Lost in Space movie. Because then he would have the (dis)honor of destroying THREE great space franchises.

I have heard about the basic plot line of duel of the fates. It sounds good and fits more with the last jedi. Though poe and rey being a couple seems werid. Didn't see many hints to it and i don't think that pairing was popular. #releaseduelofthefates

Star Wars is no the proud owner of both one of the best trilogies ever made and one of the worst trilogies ever made.

It's only been out for one weekend and the Internet is already dancing on its grave as if that'll fix anything.

I enjoyed this movie overall, though I do agree it had a lot of issues. A lot of fun scenes too, though. C-3PO got the best lines, honestly. Great review!

Please do a spoiler review

I find it funny that I'm probably the only person who likes all the movies equally. Maybe I'm not really that invested, I don't know. And I kind of disagree about what you said l about the long range transporter in ST, but okay.

I guessed Ray's background with the Force Awakens & I thought it could be great to have the 2 families connected throughout the series. The reveal was horrible. I'm actually embarrassed that I ever told anyone that's how it should end...

Haven't seen the movie, but I understand the hiss reference.

Last Jedi was crap. You can't shake up expectations just to do it with no plan for the conclusion.

It felt like the opening crawl and first act were a rushed, convoluted alternate sequel to The Force Awakens, and a desperate attempt to appease those fans who hated The Last Jedi. It was so fast and frenetic it gave you no time to step back and take it all in, and this was the biggest failing of the movie. Luckily the rest of the movie got into a groove of it's own, and was far better. Tbh, it's not the best Star Wars movie, but it's on par with Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi. And it's by no means as bad as many people seem to want it to be. My only gripe is it relied too heavily on nostalgia of the past, and offered nothing new to give people nostalgia in the future. It was kind of a Star Wars Greatest Hits Final Tour. But it was fun, exciting, and made me laugh, cheer and cry in the right places. The ending with Rey and Ben was genuinely the best aspect of the film, with great performances from Ridley and Driver. A far better romance than the wooden, unconvincing excuse in the prequels, or the high school level flirting of Han and Leia. It gave the saga the poetic, bittersweet ending it needed.

I feel like the sequel series needed an outline from the start. Just something for the directors and writers to follow so they had some clue about where they were going with the film series. I still liked the Rise of Skywalker, though a part of me still wishes Rey was actually a Kenobi instead of a _______ or the writers made her a distant relative of _______ instead of being ______’s granddaughter to justify their relation a bit more.

you think "the last jedi" is good? are you insane?

Don’t eat Grits - Eat Snoke Bits ! Nom nom nom.

5:20 I’m pretty sure he only did that because Disney told him to, in order to appease the angry fans.

Luke and Leia’s relationship isn’t a “retcon” because it was never established they weren’t in any canon material. Equally, nothing is retconned about Rey because, while saying her parents were junk dealers, doesn’t mean either A) Kylo was lying to manipulate her, B) they were posing as such, or C) they actually did that in an attempt to distance themselves from spoiler-person. And I’m not sure what math you speak of given that there’s a dubious passage of time between RotJ and TFA, and her parents look old enough with a bit of leeway.

I felt like this movie was missing big chunks. Everything felt like a race to the next plot point. Never a second to breath. I willl jump down a bit so that spoilers are covered and I will talk about the few points this is most obvious. Which is odd, because the movie was already basically 2 and a half hours. If there is a director's cut with these gaps filled in it would have to be damn near four hours long. 1. The opening scene. How did Kylo know about the wayfinders and where to find one? 2. As you said everything to do with Finn and Rey's storyline. He kept wanting to tell her something then that was dropped. 3. The obvious moment where they appeared to get rid of Chewie. No one in my theater even flinched we all knew it was a red herring and it happened so fast that it felt pointless besides showing Rey had lightning fingers and there HAD to be a better way to show that. 4.. Introducing random characters and giving us 0 reason to care about them. Like the blonde guy with Rose at the base, the old friend of Poe's, and the ex-stormtrooper chick who was clearly supposed to be Lando's daughter given what I have read.

I want someone to say something GOOD about the Cats movie!

Now, go see CATS. Seriously, this movie will be the next big cult flick: it fails so spectacularly it will be one of the most enjoyable movies you will see all year (for all the wrong reasons).

This is personally my favorite Star Wars film, and my favorite film of the year.

we are incompatible here

... hmmm .... that TLJ left all doors open for ROS is kinda not so great, considering that it was the 2nd film of a trilogy .. implying the first two films had no direction ....

I honestly thought it was enjoyable but the ending left me disappointed

It's a Festivus miracle! But in all seriousness,it's pretty good! Not bad but still. Hopefully Star Wars recovers from this! A Festivus for the rest of us!

That ending was B.S.!

I have to disagree with the point you make 2 minutes in about The Last Jedi ending such that Abrams could do "basically whatever he wanted." You're mostly right, but your use of the weasel word "basically" is glossing over the one thing Johnson's ending most definitely prevented Abrams from doing: Continuing the story began in The Force Awakens. Johnson's ending left things open for Abrams (or whoever) to step and say "And now for something completely different!" -- but that's not how you write a trilogy. As for the lineage issue, Johnson's ideas are dumb. Attack of the Clones shows HUNDREDS of Jedi not related to the Skywalkers. It's always been established that anyone can be Force sensitive, but it requires training by a Jedi (or Sith or the equivalent) to make use of the Force. Johnson making force powers manifest spontaneously is a terrible idea -- he completely fails to consider the implications. You know Force Kid? Right on the edge of puberty, having lived his whole life as a slave. Kid's going to be full of a lot of rebellious anger, a desire to lash out against those who have oppressed him. Fear, anger, the thirst for revenge -- yeah, Force Kid is 100% going to fall to the Darkside. Just like the vast majority of those "awakened to the Force." Without the emotional discipline that is the core of Jedi training, vulnerable to the easy lure of the Darkside, yeah it's going to get ugly in the Star Wars galaxy.

Smoke bits, like bacon bits 🤣🤣🤣

Fin got friend zoned by Rey. She likes bad boy, Darth Vader wannabes

2+2=7.

When i read the crawl for this i thought there was going to be a threeway battle between the resistance first order and palatines faction that would've been better i think or better yet Disney could have knocked this outta the park with a stormtrooper leaves the first order gets hunted down. Runs into the original trilogy 3 because he needs to be hidden and help understanding this mysterious power he seems to have now imagine that a battle hardened trooper struggling to be an individual & a force user instead all he does is hollar REY!!!!!!

China. China! China doesn't like Rose. That's why Rose is just background noise in ROS.

1:18 Needs to be on a t-shirt

i would not say that call the star wars series as "silly". you can really call any movie series silly if you describe it in the simplest of terms. but that's your opinion. as for me, i won't watch it. at least, not paying to watch it. the whole sequel trilogy lacked a plan or road map to guide on. say what you will about the prequels but at least you could tell where the story was going. lucas created a vision. jj and rian just made movies. for me, i'd watch his vision over their movies.

And the new Force power in this one makes sense to me considering the nature of the Force.

Nerfing Rose was really unfortunate. This was a perfect chance to expand on her character and integrate her into the group.

Ironically, every problem with the Rise of Skywalker was due to JJ doing damage control for The Last Jedi, and desperately trying to please fans. Fans hated Rose, and the actress received a lot of harassment. So he gave Finn two new love interests who are one-dimensional strong independent badass women. Fans thought that Rey was a mary sue due to her mastery of the force despite lack of training. So JJ made her the granddaughter Palpantine since he’s the most powerful force user. Fans didn’t like how Snoke got killed off before we know who we was. So JJ made him one of Palpatine’s disposable clones. Speaking of Finn, you know what would have been funnier, cooler, and more satisfying? If Finn was the true hero destined to restore balance to the universe. Finn’s introduction was meant to humanize the stormtroopers. No longer were they just faceless drones, but people who were kidnapped and turned into child soldiers. How cool would it have been if Finn depowered the empire by starting a Stormtrooper uprising and helped them reclaim their identity? Without soldiers, an empire is worthless. If JJ still wanted Jannah to be Finn’s new love interest, then he could’ve showed us how Finn was never really interested in Rose that way, and has more in common with Jannah since they were both former Stormtroopers who struggled with their identity. Instead, JJ essentially threw away Finn’s character arc and turned him into a harem protagonist. Two of the new characters introduced in Rise of the Skywalker were women who were framed as being romantically interested in Finn, yet he ignored both of them to pursue Rey. It didn’t help how at the last second, JJ decided that Ray and Kylo were a thing even though it makes no sense. It’s also kinda gross if you accept the cannon that Palpatine is Anakin’s father. Which means JJ inadvertently re introduced incest in to the Star Ware saga.

you've have watched too many bad movies if you think the rise of skywalker was anything less than utter shite

Sean, if you think it was weird that Rey is descended from Palpatine, watch this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nuB3ZtBev72VaWw.html

I thought this was the worst Star Wars movie ever!

WHY CAN'T THEY FIGURE OUT THAT THEY CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS SHIT CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR EPILEPTICS???????????????????? Do they hate epileptics????? They just figure that they can just say "fuck you" to a whole group of the theater going public because they (probably) have to have something to cover their shoddy effects or bad set design?

Rise of Skywalker was fine. It sometimes exchanged logic for pathos, and left some storylines open to the point of confusion, but it was enough space fantasy to keep me happy. And - yeah, I kinda missed Rose. But I liked that C3PO had finally something to do :)

Reys lineage is clearly tacked on and was jarring and cringy to say the least

I felt so empty after leaving the cinema. Rise of skywalker was such a dissappointment. I was so hyped for the movie, knowing that it would have a hard time to continue the path from Last jedi. but THAT? Dafuq was that? Worst thing besides all plotholes, dumbness and stupid mindless action scene after action scene is, that i feel nothing about the characters. There are no earned character moments. The moments wich are supposed to be character moments do not pay off and everything else is just fanservice but without any emotion. The Avengers Assemble scene in endgame was also just fanservice, but it hits the heart anyway, feels earned after all what happened before and is build up properly The "Lando is here" scene makes me cringe everytime. It is between totally over the top out of the blue and unbelievable stupid at the same time. God i hate this movie and i am so sad that i do. I wanted this to be the ending the saga deserves. It was not.

I saw Star Wars -- that's what we called it back then -- on opening day in the summer of 1977. Then I saw it the next day. Then I saw it again in another town. And finally my home town (Family vacation, you see). I watched the Star Wars Christmas Special on television until after Jefferson Starship performance and lusted after every Kenner toy as much as I did Carrie FIsher. The magic died along time ago, far, far away.

"space wizards against space nazis" sounds like a movie that should be made in itself... however, i tend to sympathize with those who say that star wars is modern mythology. the only sad thing about it is the level of antagonism that the subject raises among people. i also think that this trilogy symulataneously remakes and ignores the original. closure was reached with return of the jedi.

I have to disagree with you. Rian Johnson wrecked the series. He said he wanted to create a divisive movie. It was awful.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's disappointed that Rise of Skywalker tried to undo so much of Last Jedi because it didn't need undoing. Whatever you think of Last Jedi, it was trying to do so much more than just fanservice. I kinda wish I could see how RoS turned out if Colin Trevorrow had stayed on, it might've been more interesting.

#ReleaseDuelOfFates TROS is a POS, Kylo Ren was set up to be the Villain perfectly by TLJ. If they were to bring back Palpatine it should have been as Sith Ghost to possess Kylo

Before I post my thoughts, I have to first state: I still respect you, but I have to respectfully disagree with your review of the movie, being a fan of Star Wars, even to the point I wrote my own Improved Sequel Trilogy just as a form of closure after seeing this movie and how to disrespected the original trilogy. So, please don't think this is me saying I'm a bigger SW fan than you, this is just me posting a comment about my own opinions and how we differ, while hopefully still having respect for one another. If you like I could share my improved version, so you can judge it for yourself, and tell me if you like/love it or hate it. Anyway, on with the comment... Dude, I still don't understand why you like the Last Jedi, because I assumed you would've backpedaled and realized how shit this franchise has become, due to piss-poor writing and overall lacked no plans. I'm still somewhat shocked you're not enraged over this franchise, especially with the ending. No, Rey is not a fucking Skywalker, she is a damn Palpatine, she should've just embraced the fact she is the Palpatine, and vow to make the name her own and be a Good Palpatine. So, she steals the Falcon, Chewbacca, Luke's lightsaber, and now Luke's fucking surname...I seriously don't understand you, Sean, like how can you still wear Star Wars Merch and say this movie is fine? When I finally watched this, with the aid of Rifftrax Commentary (had some good laughs), I felt like Star Wars needed to end, especially with the Prequels, they may not have a perfect ending to the franchise, though still an ending, these sequels don't assure me that Star Wars can still keep going for generations. Especially with Kathleen Kenndy destroying everything that was good about Star Wars with her Identity Politics, and making a Mary Sue character "Rey" without giving her any kind of depth or challenges to make me wanna root for her. There is a reason why I still love the original Star Wars saga, and that was because the main trio was likable and relatable, I witness their struggles, their defeats, and how they overcome the odds. I walked away from this, feeling disgusted, and depressed because the original trio was dragged through the mud and was killed off without a proper send-off.

Why are you acting like you like TLJ in this review.

I'm glad you liked the Last jedi I really disliked it, that film completely split the fan base. I like some of the ideas in the last jedi but the story is terrible. I will not be watching the rise of Skywalker because of the last jedi. Disney obviously didn't plan out this trilogy which is really stupid.