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VMP Pressing Plant Future and Why All The New Pressing Plant Challenges? (Episode 170)

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Safe & Sound Texas Audio Excursion

Safe & Sound Texas Audio Excursion

Күн бұрын

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The recent legal strife between Vinyl Me Please and Vinyl Media Pressings as a startup vinyl record pressing plant remind us of the long delays which have become the norm for new plants.
I discuss what might be causing these delays based on my experience in manufacturing and seeing the realities vs. the hype.
The good news is: more capacity helps keep titles stocked and promise dates be met. But it's not without some ongoing challenges.

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@The_Music_Sanctuary
@The_Music_Sanctuary 3 ай бұрын
Good morning David, and thank you as always for another great video. Your knowledge and leg work are a cut above the others....cheers....✌️
@novisnick6928
@novisnick6928 3 ай бұрын
Another great informative video. Almost felt like a fireside chat. Very comprehensive and relaxing of the transfer of information. Thanks once again. 🫡
@Audiojunkabus
@Audiojunkabus 3 ай бұрын
Great discussion on the complexities of vinyl production. It’s clear that setting up new pressing plants like VMP comes with its fair share of challenges. Beyond the operational hurdles talked about, just wanted to mention that there are issues that impact us as customers. Delays and quality control problems not only affect our wait times but also our overall experience with the product. It’s also interesting to think about how the latest tech advancements could help new plants streamline their processes and improve record quality. And with vinyl making such a strong comeback, I wonder how these plants are adapting to the surge in demand while trying to keep things sustainable. Are there new materials or production methods that make the process more eco-friendly? Lastly, I feel there’s a great opportunity for the industry to educate both the public and aspiring vinyl producers about what goes into making these records. A better understanding might cultivate more patience and appreciation for the craft. It’s an exciting time for vinyl, and discussions like this really highlight the passion and dedication of everyone involved in bringing this beloved format back to life. Thanks for sharing, and I’m looking forward to hearing more insights from this channel! (I am now a subscriber)
@jlcougilljr
@jlcougilljr 3 ай бұрын
great did as always David! i agree 110% most folks have no idea what the manufacturing processes take. so many aspects and variables involved folks would never even realize. and for vinyl as you make mention to the "special sauce", i believe, is the "craftsmanship" aspect of the making of vinyl with so much passed down knowledge, granted some possibly lost but being regained, that can vary widely from one production facility to the next. love the content as always my friend!! \m/ \m/
@67Pepper
@67Pepper 3 ай бұрын
Enjoy your videos David. Automated equipment is great, provided the process(es) developed can be successfully repeated and the operator(s) follows the working process to the letter. I've worked in manufacturing for about 45 years now and have witnessed first hand many occasions when operators get lazy, or ham handed and screw things up royally, so even though many of the presses are fully automated there is always a human involved in the process so errors will be made. One pet peeve I have is spindle holes punched off center. This is unacceptable, especially with modern technology.
@dobieprime
@dobieprime 3 ай бұрын
Great video David. And I appreciate your POV. Yes, we are getting more pressing plants and that is a wonderful thing. But, not to gloss over what happened at VMP, those in charge that report to the Board were lying about where the money for the new plant was coming from. The agreement, I'm sure which was all signed and contracted with the Board, was that it was to be totally separate from VMP. And the money would not be taken from the company. But, they were funneling money from VMP to the new plant. Anyway...yes...you are correct though. Getting more pressing plants and more QUALITY records to us is the main priority.
@brianlewis5042
@brianlewis5042 3 ай бұрын
Great explanation of an internal business problem. Fortunately for VMP they caught this issue before it became worse. I hope the best for VMP.
@junichiyaegashi8448
@junichiyaegashi8448 3 ай бұрын
Great video David. The image quality issue happens everywhere actually. Even the new japanese reissues have pixelated images as well. I guess until they are able to get a better quality image, we will all be stucked with bad cover reproductions.
@revelry1969
@revelry1969 3 ай бұрын
I think the Pearl Jam 2x45 was pressed at the VMP plant. I am not sure if any of us really know what is going on there. I think it was of great quality. The mastering and the pressing quality was great!
@jonathanthomas4722
@jonathanthomas4722 3 ай бұрын
Great video. My takeaway is that we (or, the industry) is 'rediscovering how to create these physical products. Not too unlike like a culture rediscovering old ways or techniques thought lost to time. (How did they build those pyramids, anyway?!) Ok, a bit of a stretch, but simply put, this is a physical world issue. It's not like pugging-in a 100,000 CDs into a computer and pushing a burn-in button.
@davidpetersen7091
@davidpetersen7091 3 ай бұрын
Great discussion. Mr. Pete-------> aging hippie
@Jeremy-yf2jd
@Jeremy-yf2jd 3 ай бұрын
As VMP's co-founder was on the Board and is now back as CEO is he the best choice to 'right the ship'? I wish him well and good luck! Watch this space...
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion 3 ай бұрын
That’s the hope with his return for sure!
@richardelliott8352
@richardelliott8352 3 ай бұрын
Vinyl me please doesn't surprise me as incapable of meeting goals, although things going criminal was a surprise when I heard about that . When I visited their site, it was formatted so that anyone who wasn't a collector, the type of customer who will buy albums sight unseen for collecting with no questions asked, was the focus of the business , and those people are not the majority of likely customers . the casual, one album at a time buyer, was treated as a second class customer, paying more for the same album only because you didn't want to commit to a subscription that had financial requirements paid in advance, as if everyone just routinely bought albums as a lifestyle. I saw an album I liked, but instead of just buying the thing , I then needed to figure out if there were other albums that I might enjoy , to try and make the "buy multiple albums and save money format" workable for me. The reality is that I do tend to buy a couple of albums at a time for shipping reasons , but the way they structure the business, and the limited selection, killed my enthusiasm .
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion 3 ай бұрын
It does take a bit of effort and engagement vs pure ala carte
@wickedexile4531
@wickedexile4531 3 ай бұрын
Considering the amount of time and focus necessary to develop a pressing plant in the same town as VMP, I find it highly unlikely that the other parties were unaware of the financial and labor allocation devoted to this venture. My thought is that the cost and complexity overwhelmed some partners and they decided to create this narrative to exit. If they weren’t aware of these issues until now, shame on them for not following the evolution of their business.
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion 3 ай бұрын
I’m sure there is some truth to your perspective. Impatience and investment make awful bedfellows!
@aa5az423
@aa5az423 3 ай бұрын
I think we, the customers, need to chill the heck out! 99.9% of us end users have 0% of an idea what it takes to run a vinyl publishing house. Period.
@Peoria19581
@Peoria19581 3 ай бұрын
The image reproduction on album covers is equal between AS and VMP. Both companies have a fuzzy graininess with the graphics on vintage reissues. Obviously a copy of a copy since the original printing plates long have been scrapped. It takes a Peter Jackson to preserve and improve images such in Let It Be. He scrubbed the graininess of the 16mm frames in the new release of the film. It can be done. I support VMP. The music industry has always been a dirty nasty business. We need more pressing plants with high standards, not less. An art that's been partially lost after Steve Jobs dismantled it for his Apple iPod profits. Cost for pressing plants has gone considerably up like everything else and the economy is bad now. This isn't post WWII where you had mass production everywhere in the US on a dime. I'm not canceling my VMP subscription, holding out to help them through it as one customer. If they fold then what you already have will likely skyrocket in value. The Miles Davis set was exceptional.
@automatedelectronics6062
@automatedelectronics6062 3 ай бұрын
Because none of the main record labels have had their own pressing plants for decades, they are all dependent on 3rd party pressing plants. Nothing new here. Of the re-issue labels, Analogue Productions has successfully created it's own self contained pressing plant, QRP, but still sometimes relies on a 3rd party. Mofi is trying to put their pressing plant together as well as VMP. They have to go through State and local regulations, which like any manufacturing company, that is a given. For any re-issue label, they initially have to get the rights from the owner of what they want to re-issue. With Analogue Productions, they have already secured the rights from Warner Communications for the Atlantic 75th re-issues, so their problem is securing pressing time as well as having mastering and cutting done, if it hasn't already. Suspiciously, Analogue Productions has left out Led Zeppelin. LZ was contracted to Atlantic Records from day 1. Analogue Productions is sitting on atleast the first four LZ albums, with the 45 rpm metal parts sitting on the shelf, left over from when Classic Records manufactured and released them on vinyl, years ago. Back to VMP. Like the old record clubs, they secured the rights and had their exclusive versions pressed. Of the old record clubs, Capitol, Columbia and RCA had their own pressing plants, so pressed and packaged their own versions. They still had to obtain the rights, even if their parent record labels were who owned the rights. You might remember, record clubs kept their parent label's releases to themselves and didn't share. After Capitol's record club shut down, the other 2 record clubs could manufacture and sell their own exclusive versions. Towards the end of the record clubs, it became a free for all and everybody could press anything, after they secured the rights. There may have been more, but one independent record club, Record Club Of America, released any record they secured the rights for, no matter what label. Ofcourse the records were pressed by the original labels' pressing facilities, if they had one. So, VMP is the same kind of company.
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the in depth comments as always! The Led Zeppelin situation is uniquely ensconced with one Jimmy Page who believes the best have been released with his remastering efforts and can control any future oneupmanship by denying reissues. That is, until the money gets high enough or is needed. Most things have a price and/or a time.
@rixvspinner
@rixvspinner 3 ай бұрын
Irrelevant to me with regards to VMP, not a customer but interesting video.
@SgtMjr
@SgtMjr 3 ай бұрын
There is another aspect of the whole process that is lost to the vinyl consumer. There are very few people capable of maintaining and servicing the cutting lathes, cutting styli etc. Without that expertise there are no records, period. These technicians are getting old(er) and there is a danger of lost skills threatening an end to vinyl mastering.
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion 3 ай бұрын
Excellent Point! Same with mastering engineers….
@moogoomoogoo5990
@moogoomoogoo5990 3 ай бұрын
You don’t have to date your videos. The recently released album selection behind you always time stamps the video.
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion 3 ай бұрын
Too true! But down the road, who will do the research? Oh AI :)
@moogoomoogoo5990
@moogoomoogoo5990 3 ай бұрын
I’m just hoping down the road AI doesn’t make the video.
@Csnumber1
@Csnumber1 3 ай бұрын
I’ve said this and I’ll say it again, Vinyl Playback is the single most wasteful and inferior medium in Audio, and undeniably the biggest ripoff!! And says who David?? Who says vinyl sounds more accurate and dynamically capable than digital capture and playback?? The “warmth” described in Vinyl playback is simply the Tonearm resonances which colorize the sound, which for some sounds more pleasing. What, has it changed that there is Zero noise present in Vinyl playback now?? And I’m sorry, who’s recording directly from the studio to a Master disc?? Oh that’s right, it’s either Tape or a Digital master FIRST!! So what, are you saying that the extra “step” actually makes the music sound better than the original?? How does a $100,000 turntable with the same arm and Cartridge sound next to a $2500 table?? Funny how no one does any kid of A/B testing to see just how much the extra coin improves, well….anything!? Ad lastly, why would folks in 2024 support such a wasteful Process that users so many resources for something g that came out like 100 years ago?? Answer, Money and Nostalgia.
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion 3 ай бұрын
There are plenty of newer generation folks into vinyl now, although the higher end releases do have an older audience. The sound of vinyl has more variables to affect the tonality and sound of the reproduction. Digital has that to a lesser degree but DACs do make smaller shades of distinction. The digital vs. vinyl sound debate is a matter of preference. Many believe it sounds better to their ears. Accuracy is digital can retain a sound signature less pleasing and more fatiguing to some. I don’t bash digital by promoting vinyl. But digital is a relatively sterile process whereas the nuances of vinyl creation and reproduction is more of an art. The waste argument is, I assume, related to the manufacturing process and is mostly constrained by recycling efforts I see in almost all plants today. I really enjoy multichannel capability beyond LP Quad from the 70s in the form of digital discs. And while they provide a more wide and discrete soundstage, more often than not, when it comes to stereo, I will stick with the 100 year dinosaur!
@pnichols6500
@pnichols6500 3 ай бұрын
@@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion Good response, and you kept it civil, which is hard against someone who's never experienced a well done, all analog signal reproduced on a good system. Sad his ignorance will prevent him from enjoying a superior experience.
@Csnumber1
@Csnumber1 3 ай бұрын
@@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursionWell David, you kind of just did...but let me expound: I have found it very interesting how words like "Sterile", "Clinical" have been applied to Digital as being "Too much" of either or other words that Vinyl Lovers use to describe the Format..."Edgy", "Crisp"....and of course, one of my favorite lines..."Not as Organic" as Vinyl. But nowhere in this video, nor does anyone else who loves Vinyl rarely mention that the inherent clicks, pops and noise of Vinyl playback, which is anything but "ORGANIC" to what a live concert or recording session sounds like in person!! As a retired Media Production Specialist, (Shoot, Edit, Write, Direct), as well as growing up in a very Musically inviting large Urban City in the 60-90's, I've listened to MUSIC in live settings from a couple guys playing Bongo/Conga Drums in the Park to Kennedy Center Concerts with a Full Orchestra and Vocals!! With todays DAC Chipsets and Clocking Schemes, there is no....retaining of a "sound signature". And as much, recordings in the Digital world are far far superior than they were 20 years ago. Digital playback is so much more true to life than Vinyl which a you described, has so many variables going on while creating those GROOVES, that literally "Etch" in all kinds of "Signature" elements in to how the Vinyl Recording sounds. And then more are introduced during playback...the tonearm and the Cartridge and Stylus, as well as the Platter itself and the Mechanism to make it spin. My Blusound Node, was replaced by a Eversolo DMP-A6 Master Edition. While no difference in tonality, the A6, just revealed a bit more information in terms of texture (hand movements on strings, differences in cymbal decay and the like). The USB DAC in my Yamaha AS-801 is a bit more revealing then the Blusound, but not as much as the Dual DAC Config of the A6/ME. But the tonality is consistent with all of them...adding no coloration. But saying Digital is more of a "STERILE PROCESS" as if what?, the word "STERILE" is a bad thing?? The last time I looked, 'STERILE', meant "CLEAN"...."WITHOUT CONTAMINATIONS". Vinyl Record Production isn't an ART, David...its a "PROCESS" which since the days of Thomas Edison has and continues to use some kind of "MECHANICAL FRICTION" Process to transfer sound waves eventually to the cutting stylus and then the Vinyl Platter, inherently, by default introducing noise and distortion. There are no less than 5 steps taken before the Vinyl records are cut that can have an effect on the quality of the "CUTTING", unlike a Digital Disc. In the early years, like Vinyl...CD's were mastered from Analog and Digital Tape sources...file based recordings didn't even exist at the time. To even get an idea of the difference in the amount information "physically" between the two...if the Digital Pits on a CD were enlarged to a grain of RICE it would span a half a mile in circumference! TODAY, Vinyl Records are cut from DIGITAL master files...Ironically. But guess what...because those environments are NOT STERILE, one can buy a BRAND NEW Vinyl Record like I did, and it can be scratched right out the Cover!! (A copy of Adele's Dual Abum set). And this is what makes Vinyl so wasteful, the use of plastics, more paper for Album Covers and far more materials used to create a turntable over a Streamer, File Storage or DISC Player. And now of course there is File based playback, which is even more efficient. I just don't see the "support for this..", as smart or really in the realm of achieving the best sound quality available in 2024. I do understand however the Nostalgia of holding on to what is many have invested a lot of coin in, and have owned for many years. But the misinformation of adds that say things like: "Vinyl, it how Musicians intended their music to be played back on!"(this was a real Ad), is irresponsible and false. Almost every single Musician will tell you they prefer Digital Recordings and Playback because its more accurate to the original. Cheers!!
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion
@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion 3 ай бұрын
@@Csnumber1 all valid points. I can boil it down to “we just like the sound reproduction, warts and all”. Digital does get the “accuracy” award, especially in today’s technology. I remember the old “isn’t live or is it Memorex” commercials which hardly holds a candle to todays technology! Cheers!
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