Hi Diogo...I will spend my money on a crf l,use the ,,left over,,money from buying a rally on slightly better suspension perhaps but maybe wait half a year to see if the crf 300 l is enough for my skill level and intended terrain.....only a pity that like most manufacturers Honda has a delivery problem! Thanks again for the excellent 3 day training this last month!It has been great and i learned so much and it boosted my confidence a lot!I would recommend everyone to do a course since learning it by yourself can be very expensive,painfull and not as much fun as with a good instructor.

After a bit of research, it is the same engine design as the klx 300. Same bore and stroke. Same CC. And loncin makes the engine for kawasaki. So top speed should be OK with new sprocket like klx300. That's a lot of bike for the cash!

Very interesting review of a dirt cheap bike (pun intended). Two years ago I tried the Voge 300 AC in Paris and suburbs, that was pretty good for the money, although for me a 300 of 160 kg is far too heavy . I didn't buy it just for a very personal reason, I prefer bikes with some power at any RPM so 300 cc is too small. The sad thing that a 450 mono wouldn't not be heavier nor more expensive at the end. But Voge has already an "adventure" twin 500 to sell, so forget a 400-450 mono... Being an old guy, I've been too much spoiled with my dirt bikes; a XR 250 R cc 108 kg 26 HP prepared I kept a very long time, a XR 400 R kited 400cc 38 HP at the rear wheel, 135 kg dry prepared for raid with big tank 13 liters plus 8 liters auxiliary tank plus luggage bags and protectors, and a XR 600 R 50 HP at the rear wheel prepared 120 kg (too brutal for a relaxed adventure at low revs, so I sold it as the 400 was far more efficient, bigger is not synonym of better). The efficiency in adventure is a comfortable bike easy to ride so you do not get tired, even in technical passages so 400 km of trails in a 10 to 12 hours journey are not a problem. You won't have an accident because your bike has exhausted you. Your ass is not a pain, your vertebrae are in good shape, your left hand doesn't ache, the vibrations have not left you numb and dumb. After a night and a good coffee you'll be ready for a new day without needing illicit substances. I almost forgot that all these bikes had at least 260 mm of suspension travel. So I stay ice cold when seen the specs of today. Maybe the 690 KTM, but I had a so bad experience with this brand that I have eczema and tremors when I hear the name. Reliability was not the motto of KTM. Some objective facts I've found about Voge. It's a true brand, not a rebranded imported low quality Chinese bike so common in Europe. Voge is the premium brand of the LONCIN factory located in China in the Chongqing region. LONCIN MOTOR CO LTD was founded in 1993. It integrates manufacturing enterprises of generator sets, agricultural machinery, light power units and two-wheeled motorcycles. More than 6,000 employees. It has always made motorcycles, small displacement scooters and quads. Its production, mainly intended for domestic market, turned to export in the 2000s. The company makes engines for different occidental brands (some do not want to tell that they are using engines or principal components made in China) including BMW since more than 6 years (750 and 850 twins, the C650 is made by Kymko in Taiwan, and the 310 is made in India but the prices in Europe remain at German level, and in fact the CR300 Honda is made in Vietnam). So Loncin obtained a transfer of technology. Loncin exports vehicles in a lot of countries, mainly South East Asia and Latin America. Loncin Motor Co. Ltd is listed on the Shanghai Stock Exchange. If the company looks at first sight solid, (more than most European motorcycle brands), finally all the service depends on the importer/distributor financial capacity of waiting enough sales and having a good net of local sellers. The guarantee in France is 3 years. That seems rather good but the great difference with the Japanese is that Loncin has not an European subsidiary company, so it depends totally of the quality of the national importer. That can become problematic, as we have seen for some brands murdered by the importers. Many questions without answer. Brands like Voge should help to publish reliability tests 20000 km and far more like 50000 km to establish a reputation. For the Fantic 500 using a Chinese engine we have the data from Berotec over 17000 km...In conclusion I would say that the Chinese serious brands are in situation similar to the Japanese at the middle of the sixties.

DG, Excellent, balanced review as usual.

you're a beast of a rider, great review thanks.

Great review as always. Thank you

Awesome, learned a lot! Might be a new contender, we'll see how it plays out

Thanks for your thoughts on this bike I've been riding this bike now for the last two months on and off road and have to say I can't fault it. Lewis

Great review with nicely evaluated pros and cons. Is there a chance that engine gets better after first 5000 km? Just idea that maybe it was not yet settled...

Obrigado Diogo pela review! Excelente trabalho como sempre. Continua por favor ☺️!

Awesome review. I want to own one

The top speed issue you can solve it by changing sprockets. I'd go for 2 teeth down on the rear one. Suspension seems superior to the Honda even though and surprisingly, the rebound dumping looked stiff. I would definitely buy this one over the Honda and have saved 3.000e to travel.

Very good vid thanks good bike.

As i am a novice rioder, watching you riding withouit the uper protective gear gave me chills...

Nice review, thanks Truly it seems a decent bike, we will see after 100.000km how it holds up, CRF300 here costs 6200€ and you have to add back suspension , about 400€, or new spring and maybe bars, but its honda and you know that at least the engine and the fairings are good, on the other side voge is ready when you buy it with total cost of 4650€, hard decision for me, On an other note Benelli is planing to release BKX250, really beautiful on on / off bike, from specs it seems more on than off, sadly only 250cc but I'm glad that the category is getting more models.

Always enjoy your videos and this one was no exception! Great work!

Bravo Diego. Consiglieresti questa moto ad uno alto 1.90 ?

That was a really useful review, many thanks indeed! I see from a comment below you run off road skills courses?

Bravo for this video waited for long time ... Greetings from Greece

That was brilliant well done. It looks a good bike for the money. I hope it works out for voice, I like the bikes but brand stability is the key.

What’s the service intervals??

Que buen vídeo!! Y con subtítulos en español, gracias me suscribo a vuestro canal

Hi, thinking on your feet as you go along , practical common sense , may be a change of engine sprocket would lower the revs for road speed . Thanks for the video, take care .🤔

Thanks for the review! How tall are you? Because I'm just 174 cm.😅😊

Thanks for the great review! I think it's a lot of bike for the price. Perhaps the owner removed the crash bars to save weight? Must admit I've never managed to damage any part of any of the many dual-purpose bikes I've owned - in the area that those crash bars are/were fitted. I hardly ever need to travel at more than 110km/h, so this bike seems like a winner to me.

Boa noite, que tal uns testes e opiniões sobre a AGP SPR 250 ;)

Thanks from Italy. I could underatand tour english . Thanks you. Great

Olá Diogo. Bem para começar, tens uma qualidade incrível, quer de imagem, som e conteúdo. As filmagens que fazes com a 360, são um mimo! Muitos parabéns. Tenho estado aqui a explorar um pouco os teus vídeos e tenho gostado bastante, especialmente estas pequenas motas de aventura. E já agora, tens algum vídeo com 125cc road legal? Desde que passei a ter uma casa no Alentejo, passei a olhar para os vários caminhos em terra batida e o BTT fica tão aquém daquilo que há para explorar e a minha 600cc de estrada não permite bem esse tipo de caminhos. Vá, permite mas o dono não se sente nada confiante para isso 🤣 Mais dia menos dia tenho de arranjar alguma mota para essas andanças. Continuação de bons vídeos!

Great review!!

sym nht 300 or voge rally 300 rally?

Fair review, thanks!

Can't find exact parameters for the drive ratios, but is sounds like it has shorter gearing than 300l. I have had another loncin motorbike (250 engine), it was pretty good, and it cost me less than 2k USD (even after 40% import tax), but HP/Torque metrics never exactly reached said values. This 300 engine was on a dynojet stand in 300DS (same engine), and reached ~25HP, 24KG/M according to "Δοκιμές ΜΟΤΟ" Now, looking at the cruise speed, it is, perhaps, more comparable to 250l rather than 300l? (Voge is still cheaper than used 250l >_>)

Nice review my friend the bike looks pretty good!

Love it

this seemed good and fair, sorry to asume prejudice !

A long time late,r I can give some information about the reliability of the 300 Rally. Voge is selling a lot in Latin America, and there are in Argentina some Voge 300 Rally with more than 30000 km, and one guy 50000 km without any problem. I'm not surprised it's the old good well proven KLX engine. In Spain the Voge 300 Rally has been sold as hot bread. There are several channels on YT, all in Spanish. There are 4 guys with 4 Rally who have made 3500 km offroad in Morocco with just 1 flat front tire (channel Vogeando). The channel Viajando con Mabre has several interesting videos. This athletic guy has taken a Voge Rally (with NO modifications) in the "Xtreme 300 de Pozoblanco" and made 300 km WOT, so full gas that the consumption went up to 7 liters/100 km. No problem. That means he stayed WOT using all the 25 hp, the kind of thing never a amateur owner will do to his bike. So happy that he took the same bike to The Hellas Rally 2023 in Greece, 7 days race in pretty harsh condition under a lot of rain. One problem day 4, that was a faulty connector from the alternator to the regulator full of mud (that's lack of preparation, silicon is your friend when sealing all these silly connectors). None problem with the engine. An English guy has made some long travels and none problem. The premium Chinese brands are now here like the Japanese in the and seventies. For those talking about Honda reliability the CRF are made in China and assembled in Vietnam, no Japanese has been harmed making it...The Triumph are made in Thailand...The KTM 390 are made in India and lots of parts including complete engines of the big KTM are made in China by CFM Moto who has now also a partnership with Yamaha. And Kove is now selling the 450 Rally. Almost a unicorn, arriving in France for 10000€.. Jimmy Lewis (winner of the Dakar, gold medalist of the ISDT, winner of several Bajas) makes a detailed test of the bike for Dirt Bike Test. I say nothing, just see the video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nMqPo9qenteWkas.html

这辆车所有的配件 在aliexpress上面都可以找到

Dear friend, I hope you have a good time in your new stage on youtube. I was one of those people who from time to time saw your videos on board your xt660. Greetings. Keep up your reviews, and I hope you help people to make the best. Miss you.

Thanks for this.

Hi Diogo, just to be clear, would you advice it for a off-road riding school?

Voge should do a suzuki DR650 clone with a sorted 3rd gear cog. Its so durable and well designed.

Diago , Thank you for the test on the Voge 300 , do you know if they offer a naked version like the Honda 300L (which I have) and have put needed to Put Rally Raid Suspension on , it looks like the Voge comes better equipped That was a really Good Test Greeting from Ireland

Im 2 meter tall and 100 kg in weight ! Is this bike good for me ? I dont want to spent another 1000 bucks in harder suspension !

Hello: the handle bar and the rings, are in aluminium?

Excelente review. Oxalá que apareça mais motas do género. Porque muito sinceramente não entendo o motivo da CRF300 Rally não estar disponível para o nosso mercado. Assim pode ser que as grandes marcas comecem a acordar. Falta agora experimentares a scrambler Macbor Eight Mile 500. Continuação do óptimo trabalho...

Let's be honest, the only thing good about the 250L and 300L is the engine. Suspension is very poor, and the frame is heavy. Cheers.

240mm suspension travel? They are stating on their homepage a travel of 205mm in the front.

Excelente teste. No que diz respeito à altura da moto, os mais baixinhos já têm disponivel um lit de bielas para a baixar ate aos 89cm. Prova que a marca está atenta sos detalhes. Quanto ao futuro da marca, está mais q preparada, sendo o pós venda um dos pontos fortes da marca c stock de peças muito acima da media daquilo q os portugueses estao habituados. Nao tenho a minima dúvida que a Voge veio p ficar.!

The kove 450 looks amazing. I wouldnt have touched a chinese bike as i saw a chinese part fail iso9001 on tolerances etc about 8 years ago

You can adjust the rear suspension on this bike

Parabéns pelo canal e pelo trabalho👍.. Se tiveres oportunidade gostava de ver uma review da Mash X Ride Trail é a nova versão com jante 21 ou seja se a primeira versão já era uma mota ao estilo Yamaha XT 500 a nova versão ainda ficou melhor com as actualizações 👋. É uma verdadeira Dual Sport Clássica com um motor réplica da Honda Dominator ou Fmx 650 mas que foi actualizado pelos chineses com Injeção e radiador de óleo respeitando assim a norma Euro 5. Basicamente é uma Dual Sport para lazer sem a competição á mistura mas por usar um motor da Velha Guarda era bacano ver uns vídeos Off Road 👍...

Excelente teste e comparativo

Great review as always. But can you confirm that euro 5 version sold in Europe have 240mm of fork travel? I found on Spanish Voge site this info ( 240mm de recorrido efectivo (205 mm de recorrido homologado) But on Italian , Greek, Scandinavian Voge sites its 205mm and even the fork diameter is 37mm. Who to trust? I know carburated model was 240mm both sides but for Euro 5 version specification data are really confusing. Dealer in my country(N.Macedonia) is doing sales without having one in showroom. Thank you.

I feel that Chinese bikes are a short term ownership compared to other country brands. I lived in china for long enough to realise some of the materials used are inferior to other countries materials such as steel, stainless, electrical parts, and I think this relates to India maybe. But it all becomes relevant due to price difference between say a Chinese bike and Japanese bike, Chinese bikes will keep improving slowly but expect equivalent prices to say Japanese. After all that and I’ve just bought a scram 411, but I couldn’t let go of my Ducati Scrambler 1100, that would be sacrilege. Great bit of riding by the way

I think it is a good motorcycle with an accessible price for all pockets and as a first motorcycle or motorcycle for outings to the countryside to have fun without fear of breaking it, it is an unbeatable option. I also believe that the engine of the CRF 300 is also produced by Loncin and then assembled in Thailand. Thanks for the video and take care.

Needs a sprocket size change

Outra coisa que estava para perguntar a tua opinião mas passou me, não é estranho que a Kawasaki venda a Klx 300 em que o motor é fabricado na China mas por ser Kawasaki tem intervalos de manutenção de 10000 ou 12000 km já a versão completa da China venha com intervalos mais curtos?? O mesmo pode ser dito do modelo DSX 650 da Voge que fabricava este mesmo motor para a BMW gs mas na BMW os intervalos são de 10000km já na Voge são menores, isto não tem sentido nenhum, aliás estes modelos não são os únicos em que acho que os intervalos de manutenção não passam de puro negócio com concessionárias em vez de ter alguma honestidade. Vejam o caso da Royal Enfield himalayan que com um motor de 411cc refrigerado a Ar/óleo tem trocas de óleo de 10000km isto devia de ser impossível para este tipo de motores que por ser do estilo adventure vai estar sujeita a um uso mais exaustivo do motor e embreagem, no entanto um motor como o da Dr 650 que tem músculo e é igualmente um lazyboy de baixa rotação tem trocas de óleo de 5000 ou 6000 km... Não faz sentido.

Se ela tiver algum torque de sobra em baixas para o off-road, um pinhão de ataque com mais um dente assentará aí bastante bem, pois dará outra folga ao motor permitindo aumentar um pouco a velocidade sem se sentir que já vai a estragar. Fiz isso mesmo na minha Honda nx4 do mato, e só notei melhorias. Embora sejam motores completamente diferentes.

Seems like a great bike at the price since most of these smaller bikes tend to be gateway or beginner bikes that people only really keep for a year or two. It make a lot of sense to save the €3000+ difference between this and the CRF and put it toward the bike you actually want. The CRF is a Honda Thailand bike too not a Japanese product so not quite a s premium as it looks at 1st glance. Also I wouldn’t write off the Loncin motor as there will be 10x more produced and used in a massive range of bikes, I bet AliExpress etc is full of standard and tuning parts already or complete motors for peanuts

mais uma vez obrigado pela exelente partilha, sim este tipo de motas é sempre bom aparecerem pois fazem os fabricantes "grandes" melhorar os seus preços e qualidade. neste tipo de fabricantes novos que aparecem pois tem esse grande se não que referiste que depois pode ser dificil conseguir peças de sustituição entre outras coisas mas ai ou quem a tem se safa com material de outras marcas "transformando" ou então esperar uns anos se a marca vai "vingar" ou não. Mas realmente gosto que apareçam destas no mercado pelo que já referi e também agora aqui talvez mais pessoal de ter saudade das old schold que era tão bom voltarem a aparecer eheh, abraços.

Santarém :) Quinzena....bela sala de estudo! Bom ensaio :)

Nothing against honda, but the oil volume in the crf 300 engine is 1.8 liters. The voge has 1.5 liters. 300 extra milliliters gives +7000 to mileage before change? Or crf300 somehow burns gasoline in a special way? Or is it about ecology? Well, for cars they write 15 - 20 thousand kilometers before replacement, and for transmissions in general "whole life". Nobody will look at valves every 5000 kilometers, when they start ringing, then it makes sense to get in there. Regarding maximum speed: standard sprockets: 14-48 give quite a big gear ratio - 3,428. Put the leading sprocket on 15 teeth and you will get +7 km per hour at the same rpm, with no loss in traction.

I am entirely unconvinced by manufacturers quoted service intervals. I wound never go the full Honda quoted distance between services. If you think about it, it’s a selling advantage to quote long service intervals and it will inevitably limit engine life. So for the manufacture, it’s a win win. 😂

вполне хороший мотоцикл. при практически таких же характеристиках как у Хонда 300 ралли, он стоит в 2-3 раза дешевле..

China finally release Rally-inspired enduro Excelle 450 Rally $6,100 USD

I would take a used crf300l.

hello, first of all the positive point of this motorcycle is to have more choice on the market and to stir up the big manufacturers because there is unfortunately little choice. just look at the single-cylinder market in 600 cc 701 and 690 m^me motorcycle and AJPR PR 7 and that's it. the rest of the market is devoted to big trail running. (I would not speak of the enduro market which is separate and limited in its use). I want to go back to what you say 160kg la Voge is not light at all. I have a 2010 250 WR R that I prepared and lightened. 32 HP for 125kg empty. Ø46 adjustable fork and same rear shock absorber. large 18L IMS tank. I left the original transmission from 13/43. on the road, do not exceed 90 km/h at cruising speed. but off road it's a pure pleasure. I did the TET Portugal on a T 700 Teneré with a friend on his KTM 690 E from 2013. and frankly if I had to do it alone, I think I would take the 250 WR R. To return to the Voge it's still entry level and it takes all budgets. it is necessary to see in time the reliability with intensive users. thanks for this video.... Ps: from 2015 to 2017 before my 250 WR R, I had a 660 XTR that I prepared (torque engine, very bad original shock absorbers, non-adjustable soft fork, comfortable seat. mine weighed 172 kg) When will a 600 mono Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki?!!!!

From what I know, this engine is very likely to ask for serious maintenance/repair around 25k. So it can probably serve you well if you're going to use it for weekend offroading, but if you're planning to travel, especially travel a lot, you better take the Honda. I don't know if the problem is with this particular chinese motor, or original Kawi has the same issue.

Why does everyone who tests the Voge place so much emphasis on it’s ability to ride flat out on fast roads? That’s so far away from the environment it’s designed to enjoy.

I have one of this motorcycle... it's a good motorcycle but i have problems with long terms of quality...

Review da Ducati DesertX!

Por favor Diogo, no conduzca con una mano solo para grabar. Es demasiado peligroso

By Japanese you mean Thai. ;)

The fad for negative, 'invisible' displays continues...

Wow its heavy...

Hi Diogo. No, the engines are not made by Kawasaki or Honda. The Japanese manufaturers never haven't given their engines to Loncin; but, as you can see, both engines (Japanece and chinese) are quite similars, this it's cause the patent of some engines from Japanese brands are expired, and, off course, the Chinese, literally, (and legally), copied them. I don't know the reliability to long term for the Loncin engine in the 300 Rally, but, they are habitual manufacturers for KTM and BMW, maybe must be reliabile...or not. Just only the time can be judge the reliability; it will depend to a large degree of the materials used, and quiality control. But, for less than 5K...you don't can expect the refinement and reliability of the Honda or Kawasaki. As we say in Spain, "nobody gives you 5 euros for 3 euros value". Have a nice day.

Better looking than the Honda, but would still take the crf due to Honda's reliability.

why dont you ride with safety gear on? one misstake on your part or any other motor vehicle and your toast.. you allways lose on a motorcylce incident.. its so, sorry to say dumb to watch people trying to be "pro reviewers" riding around like nothing could ever go wrong. dress for the slide not the ride.

300 cc and 28 hp ? like a scooter..hehehe

I don't trust the build quality.

90 - 100 km/h is not enough ! >> so 15 bhp will be the correct number !

Buy that cheap chinese , in a couple of years , problems will start and with no parts, you have to give it for free that crap.

your safety clothing is questionable, to say the least

This review of Chinese manufacturing as seen in used oil by Fortnine puts me off Chinese bikes. Plus comments from breakdown recovery drivers saying it’s mostly chines bikes they pick up. I know it’s not every manufacturer but they will need to do more to convince me at least that their bikes are ok. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b61xiNJpyru8lYk.html

Bruh Europe get all the cool and cheap toys when will this shit com the North American 😡

Yet another Chinese bike that will make its buyers cry for their money . You get what you pay for and that is a fact.