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TERRIBLE Muslim Arguments Against Christianity

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@antoniopandolfi5145
@antoniopandolfi5145 2 ай бұрын
I feel like the coffee cup is empty.
@morghe321
@morghe321 2 ай бұрын
I think you might be right. 😂 Or maybe it has a little bit of room temperature coffee in it. 😅
@SLAY_DANCING
@SLAY_DANCING 2 ай бұрын
Seems the mug is shrinking as the video goes on?
@MrSimpoge
@MrSimpoge 2 ай бұрын
All of their “arguments” are terrible. Especially since they can be put back on them and they have no real answers except “Allah knows best”
@user-me4sm6to4p
@user-me4sm6to4p 2 ай бұрын
Who knows best ? you? Bro, the bible is full of mistakes and contradictions it can't be the word of God. Only humans make mistakes, not God. Just read the Quran with an open heart, and remember we got the original Quran in the original language arabic, unlike the bible. it just a wrong translation and dreams. no one died for your sins. Wake up to the real word and earn the mercy of God.
@MrSimpoge
@MrSimpoge 2 ай бұрын
@@user-me4sm6to4p yeah I do know best. cope harder. The crap you read is the biggest contradiction in itself. Go cry to your rock. Pagan
@MrSimpoge
@MrSimpoge 2 ай бұрын
@@user-me4sm6to4p 😂😂😂 cope harder. Your book is the biggest contradiction in itself. Go cry to you rock god. 💋🕋. Pagan
@MrSimpoge
@MrSimpoge 2 ай бұрын
@@user-me4sm6to4p 😂😂😂 cope harder. Your book is the biggest contradiction in itself. Go cry to you rock. 💋🕋. Pagan
@MrSimpoge
@MrSimpoge 2 ай бұрын
@@user-me4sm6to4p yeah I do know best. cope harder. Your book is the biggest contradiction in itself. Go cry to you rock. 💋🕋. Pagan
@freeezaohohoho8788
@freeezaohohoho8788 2 ай бұрын
Good and easy to understand, Even for people who don’t speak english that well. God Bless You!
@decrix
@decrix 2 ай бұрын
im guilty for tagging you on videos that i want you to react on and share inputs to. Sadly, im not in patreon yet. So for now, i wanna give thanks to your patreons as well for supporting you so the non patreon can have information like this. I understand we all gotta pay the bills and put food in the table. So God bless to you and your patreons. Glory to God!
@kolavithonduraski5031
@kolavithonduraski5031 2 ай бұрын
just support some dudes who want money from you... and feed your hate with more lies.... 🤦‍♂️
@UnknownExperiences
@UnknownExperiences 2 ай бұрын
@@kolavithonduraski5031like the hate they teach in the Quran?
@kolavithonduraski5031
@kolavithonduraski5031 2 ай бұрын
@@UnknownExperiences hate against hateful people trying to kill innocent people❓ yes... take them into your arms and hug them...😆 other than that i dont know what you mean.
@aliij2538
@aliij2538 2 ай бұрын
@@kolavithonduraski5031 hate? Are you a cute Moslem who hates the Koran and the golden age of sahaba like Khalid ibn al-waleed?
@Stephen-gn2br
@Stephen-gn2br 2 ай бұрын
Keep the work going brother. I’m Protestant, and I pray we drop the denominational debates and defend Our Almighty Triune God and His sheep against the evil cult of Islam. ✝️
@HellenicPapist
@HellenicPapist 2 ай бұрын
Amen, brother. We need to defend Christ from outside His Body, not from within.
@tomeypaul2212
@tomeypaul2212 2 ай бұрын
Amen alleluia,...
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
JESUS says the Sabbath is holy. MUHAMMAD says Friday is holy. POPE says Sunday is a holy day. 🤔WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? Answer found in: 👉(Genesis 2:2,3) 👉(Exodus 20:8-11) 👉(Isaiah 58:13)
@Paterquia
@Paterquia 2 ай бұрын
@@protestant77 is this all you got? You should post less and read more.
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
@@Paterquia Actually I have a WHOLE lot more. But I’m a firm believer in less is more! Peace be with you
@andywainwright5284
@andywainwright5284 2 ай бұрын
I used to like Tate because he was motivating young men like myself to act like strong men, I know however now he is too prideful and only switched to Islam because he likes raw power. He says we Christian allow our God to be mocked which shows, number 1, that he doesn't read scripture, and 2, that he can handle being made fun of. Remember the Roman soldiers putting the crown on Jesus and making fun of him and even then Jesus forgave them. Tate is too prideful to have done that, it seems to me he would probably have us kill those who make fun of God like the Muslims. That's not the type of fear God wanted from us.
@josephinefroelichart
@josephinefroelichart 2 ай бұрын
Loved this episode! God give you strength and focus ✨🙏
@kolavithonduraski5031
@kolavithonduraski5031 2 ай бұрын
which of the three you mean?
@Apostole_T
@Apostole_T 2 ай бұрын
@@kolavithonduraski5031 what three?
@kolavithonduraski5031
@kolavithonduraski5031 2 ай бұрын
@@Apostole_T three gods, three persons, the unequal entities... you know what i mean. Which of the three christian gods he meant, when he wrote "God"? That was my question.
@aliij2538
@aliij2538 2 ай бұрын
@@kolavithonduraski5031 I know it's complicated. We need to ask Allat what he meant in the Koran when claimed in the Koran that abdools and christians worship the same god and that Mary sister of Moses is part of the three or four gods? Or is it five now? Which same god do we worship? 🤔
@kolavithonduraski5031
@kolavithonduraski5031 2 ай бұрын
@@aliij2538 you seem to watch too much ChristianPrincess.... a laughable person. His Arguments are so low-intelligent, that only when people repeat them, it becomes more ridiculous 😆 you need to check what people are telling you, or do you have no b.r.a.ì.n ❓❗
@cruzmartinez9426
@cruzmartinez9426 2 ай бұрын
Jewish greetings: Shalom alekhem: Means "peace to you" Muslims often use Arabic greetings, including: As-salamu alaikum: A common greeting that means "Peace be upon you". Muslims are just wanna be Jewish and Christian combined
@kolavithonduraski5031
@kolavithonduraski5031 2 ай бұрын
you know that Jesus used the Word "Alaha" for God, dont you?!
@UnknownExperiences
@UnknownExperiences 2 ай бұрын
@@kolavithonduraski5031is that supposed to mean something? Still doesn’t change the fact that he is God the son, God incarnate who paid the ransom for our sins on the cross, his blood and body is the sacrifice for us sinners. He came to save us so that we can live with him in enternal glory, glory to God our creator. He rose on the third day sealing the deal that he in fact is God the Son. Satan wants to deceive you telling you that he did not and that he not God the son. Jesus Christ is the king of the universe, all tongues confess his name, all knees bow down to him. Please brother open your eyes as the Quran says for all truth seek the old and New Testament.
@Herodn202
@Herodn202 2 ай бұрын
So god took shits?
@aliij2538
@aliij2538 2 ай бұрын
​@@kolavithonduraski5031 let's say he did, how is that supposed to mean Allat of the black stone? 😂
@kolavithonduraski5031
@kolavithonduraski5031 2 ай бұрын
@@aliij2538 i wrote everything you need to know... but your freedom of speech shadow-banned me
@generalissimo_o
@generalissimo_o 2 ай бұрын
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one".
@felipehennig8923
@felipehennig8923 2 ай бұрын
They forget Jesus didn't say "before Abraham was I was" he said "I am" in the present "I, in the present, come before Abraham, in the past"
@DjSostre7
@DjSostre7 2 ай бұрын
Regardless if; what Jesus meant WAS, that he was before Abraham. Which means biblically that he existed prior. Same book, John 1 explains therefore then, when John said 'he existed before me': what does that mean? Go back further into johns prologue: John 1:1-18. And that explains it all. No man can argue Jesus is God, unless he's willingly blind.
@mgvilaca
@mgvilaca 2 ай бұрын
In teh Qur'an, the blessed Virgin Mary is referred to as "Maryam, sister of Aaron" and "Maryam, daughter of Amran". Long story short, they confused Miriam (Maryam) from 1400 BC, sister of Moses and Aaron. Mary didn't have brothers, her mother was not fertile. Her father was Joachim, not Amran. And they weren't from the same bloodline. Amran and his sonds were from the tride of Levi while she was of the lineage of David (Judah). And no one calls someone who lived 1400 years before the brother of someone
@user-xn8hj5cp3h
@user-xn8hj5cp3h 2 ай бұрын
Bro you're being ridiculous. How do you expect perfect history from an illiterate guy who's literally copy-pasting stuff from other religious texts? (I'm being satirical😂)
@mgvilaca
@mgvilaca 2 ай бұрын
@@user-xn8hj5cp3h you had me in the first half lol
@user-xn8hj5cp3h
@user-xn8hj5cp3h 2 ай бұрын
@@mgvilaca I meant to.🤣
@TheCatholicRemedy
@TheCatholicRemedy 5 күн бұрын
@@user-xn8hj5cp3hi was about to get upset at ur comment
@CrownedDiaries
@CrownedDiaries 2 ай бұрын
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10 -11 ✝️❤️‍🔥
@SaintlySaavy
@SaintlySaavy 2 ай бұрын
I don't believe that pimp's (AT) should serve as a moral compass for men.
@marvelstark3797
@marvelstark3797 2 ай бұрын
same as raping slaves and having sex with a child as what muhammad did.. muslim thinks it is moral to rape slave and have sex with child because muhammad did it.
@whoputyouontheplanet3345
@whoputyouontheplanet3345 2 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@Tex_155
@Tex_155 2 ай бұрын
Great video man. Muslims have silly arguments that work at the dawah tent on cultural Christians that don’t know their faith but don’t hold up to minimal scrutiny. Thank you for providing a good resource for less mature believers who are looking these things up. One point I would point out is that I don’t think Mohammad’s uncle was a Syrian monk but Mohammad and his uncle had interactions with a Syrian Monk that are recorded. Your point still stands though - Mohammad obviously had interactions with these folks and it rubbed off on his religion. Peace of Christ be with you.
@shahcamranahmed9056
@shahcamranahmed9056 2 ай бұрын
Muslims do know their faith.
@ciano9535
@ciano9535 2 ай бұрын
Bro how is your voice so deep? Love from UK
@HMFOG
@HMFOG 2 ай бұрын
Generics
@HMFOG
@HMFOG 2 ай бұрын
Genetics*
@TheCatholicRemedy
@TheCatholicRemedy 5 күн бұрын
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@dr.mofongo9001
@dr.mofongo9001 2 ай бұрын
Speaking of a religion making sense, what doesn’t make sense is believing the account of Jesus and the crucifixion from a book written 600+ years later which contradicts what came before it. There is zero logic in that.
@Filioqueking
@Filioqueking 2 ай бұрын
The Bible was not written 600 years later, it was compiled 600 years later. Along with that, the Synoptic Gospels were all eye witness accounts of the life of Christ.
@Matt72123
@Matt72123 2 ай бұрын
@@FilioquekingHe’s talking about Islam.
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
JESUS says the Sabbath is holy. MUHAMMAD says Friday is holy. POPE says Sunday is a holy day. 🤔WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? Answer found in: 👉(Genesis 2:2,3) 👉(Exodus 20:8-11) 👉(Isaiah 58:13)
@Filioqueking
@Filioqueking 2 ай бұрын
@@Matt72123 My bad.
@CarlJancorda
@CarlJancorda 2 ай бұрын
Your comment has zero logic and can't be real😂
@immanuelesimonelli
@immanuelesimonelli 2 ай бұрын
God willing these lost muslims ask for forgiveness and come correct to God before it’s too late for them.
@JayRedding12_12
@JayRedding12_12 2 ай бұрын
What they did there with verse from Romans was very protestant of them to cherry-pick a verse and completely change the meaning.
@paul_321
@paul_321 2 ай бұрын
They didn’t copy everything from Christianity. They also copied a lot of Hinduism.
@jerinshaji7373
@jerinshaji7373 2 ай бұрын
oh rlly?
@supergoji7511
@supergoji7511 2 ай бұрын
They definitely copied from Zoroastrianism and various local Arab pagan beliefs
@paul_321
@paul_321 2 ай бұрын
@@jerinshaji7373 circling the kaba in their thobes around a black rock.
@paul_321
@paul_321 2 ай бұрын
@@supergoji7511 100% the devil copies and tweaks the words until they’re redefined. Eventually the masses lose the meanings of what Baal is really after
@gamingwithserena7796
@gamingwithserena7796 2 ай бұрын
@@jerinshaji7373yes rlly
@Apollo1989V
@Apollo1989V 2 ай бұрын
Tales from the ancients is an accusation found throughout the Quran, though it denies it. Yet we have found proof that the Quran does contain tales from the ancients. Jewish midrashes, apocryphal gospels, Christian legends, and distorted Bible stories. All found in the supposed direct word from a deity that Muhammad called Allah, who apparently is the best of deceivers and is thus the same as Loki.
@Rahotepppp
@Rahotepppp 2 ай бұрын
I love this, my favorite Catholic Channel ✝️
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
JESUS says the Sabbath is holy. MUHAMMAD says Friday is holy. POPE says Sunday is a holy day. 🤔WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? Answer found in: 👉(Genesis 2:2,3) 👉(Exodus 20:8-11) 👉(Isaiah 58:13)
@Templar_Infinite_Infidel
@Templar_Infinite_Infidel 2 ай бұрын
You probably wont see this but i just want to let you know that you are creating converts. I myself, am a catechumen from watching your and R&T videos. Luckily the only byzantine eastern catholic parish in my area was only 20 min from me. Its UGCC so i get a small but very cool dose of ukranian traditions. And its all because of your videos that led me to finding the right apostolic church that i truly believe in. Whats also cool is the parish is a semi small one so i get to have a super personal relationship with the priest. If you ever wonder if these videos are doing anything good just know that they are. Im proof of it.
@CryptoFishing
@CryptoFishing 2 ай бұрын
As a catholic preacher i have many things to say to you here but in order to find a truth clean your heart fom any hate, arrogance ect... and only then you will find the truth. In the Quran, God speaking directly to Christians when He said: “O people of the Scripture! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of God aught but the truth. The Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, was a Messenger of God and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary and a spirit created by Him; so believe in God and His Messengers. Say not: ‘Trinity!’ Cease; it is better for you! For God is One God, glory is to Him, Far Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And God is All Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.” (Quran 4:171)
@tony1685
@tony1685 2 ай бұрын
catholic preacher? sincere question for ya Sir. Bible shows clearly that God's Word and His Commandments = Truth (John 17:17, Psalm 119:142, 151 respectively) yet catholicism teaches contrary God's Truths -- so how can you support Truth, yet follow a system which is contrary It?
@YY-jv4uu
@YY-jv4uu 2 ай бұрын
Lol. Perhaps “catholic preacher” you should read the Bible before commenting.
@junicornplays980
@junicornplays980 2 ай бұрын
No Catholic preacher would say this, just admit that you're Muslim bro.
@jaytoven7
@jaytoven7 2 ай бұрын
Catholics don’t have preachers
@FultonSheenClips
@FultonSheenClips 2 ай бұрын
Great work! ❤Jesus is Allah! 🇻🇦🙏
@Macias_10
@Macias_10 2 ай бұрын
🙏
@kobe8124
@kobe8124 2 ай бұрын
Allah as in the arabic translation for God. Not as in that god of the quran, correct?
@marvelstark3797
@marvelstark3797 2 ай бұрын
i dont think jesus is allah.. allah is a master deceiver like satan... according to their quran
@Macias_10
@Macias_10 2 ай бұрын
@@kobe8124 correct its just a translation arab christian call God Allah
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
JESUS says the Sabbath is holy. MUHAMMAD says Friday is holy. POPE says Sunday is a holy day. 🤔WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? Answer found in: 👉(Genesis 2:2,3) 👉(Exodus 20:8-11) 👉(Isaiah 58:13)
@christianvegito
@christianvegito 6 күн бұрын
What? I didn't know a mosque was built upon the tomb of Jesus. That's messed up. Whats it called?
@Facts13404
@Facts13404 2 ай бұрын
God bless u brother 🙏
@kolavithonduraski5031
@kolavithonduraski5031 2 ай бұрын
which god of the three?
@Hunted83
@Hunted83 2 ай бұрын
Great video, well researched and conveyed, very eye opening. Also great presentation and set up ❤
@suhirthaalwin770
@suhirthaalwin770 2 ай бұрын
Clear explanation glory to god✝️☦️🙏🏻
@realtime7009
@realtime7009 2 ай бұрын
Without lies, islam dies.
@honoratamazurkiewicz7995
@honoratamazurkiewicz7995 2 ай бұрын
So true
@shahcamranahmed9056
@shahcamranahmed9056 2 ай бұрын
​Why?
@Verge63
@Verge63 2 ай бұрын
The pharisees weren't going to stone him for his good works, but because he forgave sins
@teaklamp3235
@teaklamp3235 3 күн бұрын
This video shows me another reason to keep being Muslim 😂☪️
@wellnessvibes5625
@wellnessvibes5625 16 күн бұрын
Bro said he got his education from Dajjals basement 😂
@hopeelise02
@hopeelise02 2 ай бұрын
Alex Id love if you made a video responding to Mormons 😂
@johnchung6777
@johnchung6777 10 күн бұрын
This person has the nerve to say that Christians believe in Christianity because they are raised in it,and by all truth that is true.Now look at this person beliefs it’s the same as Christian’s because he believes in what he believes because of what he was taught in whatever way he believes in,this is totally silliness ludicrous ridiculous nonsense.For he contradicts his own speech about Christian’s when he believes in how he was taught as a kid in whatever religion he has been raised in?🤔😳😯🙄
@smsm-xb1lt
@smsm-xb1lt 2 ай бұрын
Wherever you stand on the Bible. I think it’s finally time everyone started admitting it was written by Men who wholeheartedly believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. People can say they think it’s corrupted blah blah and not believe what it reads but ultimately, the authors of the Bible wrote with an understanding of Jesus’ divinity. For Muslims or anyone to dry to disprove Christianity by using the Bible is just silly.
@MerliiinWyllt
@MerliiinWyllt 2 ай бұрын
Launch Some Coffee bro!! Beans of Reason
@max89109
@max89109 2 ай бұрын
god bless you 🙏🏻 ✝️🖤
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
They did 9:43 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@eltiggre
@eltiggre Ай бұрын
Isn’t the tomb of Christ the holy sepulcher where there is now a cathedral is cause he said the Muslims built a mosque on top of Jesus burial site so I was confused ?
@TheLeadG
@TheLeadG 2 ай бұрын
Their is such a thing as lying righteously and their are examples where Jesus blessed them for it. This is coming from a Catholic and I’m just confused about that last argument. God would not punish you for lying to the Nazis about having Jews.
@oneandtruth
@oneandtruth 2 ай бұрын
Regarding Alpha and Omega, if Jesus is God, then why not claim Melchizedek as God, who is also called first and the last. Refer to Genesis 14:18-20. Further, it was Paul who claimed that Jesus is God. Jesus never claimed to be God. John 1.1 is not the word of Jesus, rather it was inspired from Philo the greek philosopher. Regarding I AM, if I AM means God then this means before Abraham was God.
@S.LouisIX
@S.LouisIX 2 ай бұрын
Slava Isusu Christu!!!!!
@kiljonlenin
@kiljonlenin 2 ай бұрын
6:38 THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT Not only do Muslims falsely accuse this, but many Protestants do as well
@Space360-jx8ed
@Space360-jx8ed Ай бұрын
the quran does not say that the trinity has marry in it. it only says they (christians) worship her, because in islam, calling upon someone or supplicating is worship. because Catholics call upon marry, the quran says you worship her
@josmith5419
@josmith5419 2 ай бұрын
They copied everything from us
@user-xn8hj5cp3h
@user-xn8hj5cp3h 2 ай бұрын
Bro I wouldn't even call their jokes "arguments".😂
@shahcamranahmed9056
@shahcamranahmed9056 2 ай бұрын
It's not jokes.
@user-xn8hj5cp3h
@user-xn8hj5cp3h 2 ай бұрын
@@shahcamranahmed9056 Agreed. They're terrible jokes.
@shahcamranahmed9056
@shahcamranahmed9056 2 ай бұрын
@@user-xn8hj5cp3h Why?
@sbtUsaca
@sbtUsaca 2 күн бұрын
Everything you are saying is 100% percent true! I mean think about it they cant get jesus out of their heads.
@ZacharyHamm-vn2qq
@ZacharyHamm-vn2qq 2 ай бұрын
They like to say that Jesus “never said he was God” so he isn’t God. He didn’t say outright, but either implied it or outright showed it. Jesus never rebuked people worshipping him, Jesus said that he and his father are one, Jesus was punished for no sin, and there are many more examples of this
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
We don’t 2:38
@uncatila
@uncatila 7 күн бұрын
You should play good western music in the background. it helps the Google search
@irontaylor9992
@irontaylor9992 4 күн бұрын
who weere all the people who saw him rise
@smsm-xb1lt
@smsm-xb1lt 2 ай бұрын
Isn’t there many references claiming Jesus’ divinity? By claiming ‘I am your God’ is that not one of the 7 deadly sins (pride)? Even with that said, what do Muslims interpret John 8:58 as? “Truly, truly I tell you, before Abraham was born, I AM”
@simeon8814
@simeon8814 23 күн бұрын
17:39 Isaiah 48:12-17 God sent the one who created the Heavens and the Earth and his spirit, Genesis 1:1 God created the heavens and the earth, John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:15-16, Jesus created the Heavens and the Earth, Idk how muslims still deny these
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
Now that’s a terrible lie 10:57
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
Can u actually read the Quran 4:46
@vlqn
@vlqn 2 ай бұрын
Yah bless
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
JESUS says the Sabbath is holy. MUHAMMAD says Friday is holy. POPE says Sunday is a holy day. 🤔WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? Answer found in: 👉(Genesis 2:2,3) 👉(Exodus 20:8-11) 👉(Isaiah 58:13)
@vlqn
@vlqn 2 ай бұрын
@@protestant77 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9uqnqdy27fYl30.htmlsi=cf72u9ZKKlfawJ8I
@virginlamo8202
@virginlamo8202 2 ай бұрын
“I AM” = “I am God” I don’t think Muslims understand that (they don’t)
@shahcamranahmed9056
@shahcamranahmed9056 2 ай бұрын
What?
@Landoor
@Landoor 2 ай бұрын
@@shahcamranahmed9056he’s quoting when Jesus says “before Abraham was born, I am.” It’s commonly used to prove Jesus was god
@shahcamranahmed9056
@shahcamranahmed9056 2 ай бұрын
@@Landoor How does this make sense?
@Landoor
@Landoor 2 ай бұрын
@@shahcamranahmed9056 Well before Jesus says this he also talks about how he’s seen Abraham, and someone in the crowd says to Jesus: “you’re not even 50 years old and you’ve seen Abraham?” After that, Jesus says “before Abraham was born, I am” Christians, such as myself, like to use this as a time when Jesus claimed to be God, because he’s saying he was able to see Abraham before he was born, which is something only God can do. Or in other words, he’s basically eternally alive. So Jesus was before Abraham, and the only way that’s possible is because he is God. Sorry if I didn’t explain this really well, I’m sure a lot of people could do it better than me
@shahcamranahmed9056
@shahcamranahmed9056 2 ай бұрын
@@Landoor So then if the context if this verse shows he is God, then why does John 17:3 only claim the father being the only true God?
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
If you do know tell me 2:38
@kobaaee1265
@kobaaee1265 2 ай бұрын
i saw a tiktok of someone theorizing the apostle john could still be alive , does VOR or anyone in the comments have any opinions/comments of that?
@donmorrissey1453
@donmorrissey1453 2 ай бұрын
I don't see Jesus in him. Telling his own Christian brothers they going to hell. He is so full of hate
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
So true bro btw I’m being sarcastic
@HamseAbdi1
@HamseAbdi1 22 сағат бұрын
but Catholics pray to Mary
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
Do I need to say anything 8:48
@livriomer
@livriomer 2 ай бұрын
If you read John 17, 3 you will see that indeed it says "the only true God". But after that it says "and the One you sent". Actually, why don't you read the whole chapter 17, and you will see that Jesus talks in the same level of God. The funny thing is when they quote the Bible as authority, but they don't even believe in the Bible.
@mojojojo3852
@mojojojo3852 Ай бұрын
As a doubting christian you didn't rebuke anything, instead what you did was a bunch of cope the 1st point did not make sense, the question you asked was should we trust a book written by a whole bunch of people or a book written by a single person, however that is a secular way of viewing things. The question should have been, do we trust a book written by people (who are prone to make mistakes) or a book literally written by God 2nd point is also extremely weak, us christians are so weakin faith, prideful and look like the world, yes he is right muslim women are way more righteous than christian women, most christian women do not veil, wear a bikini at the beach, wear very revealing clothes even in church... and christian men never let their beard grow. Now what about prostrating ehy do they do it and we don't it's because we are lazy and too prideful to prostrate, lent we do not lent and we do not fast, they do. So yes he is right and then you say that muslims get their culture from christians, well good at least they preserve it unlike us.
@EmanuelEmanuel123
@EmanuelEmanuel123 2 ай бұрын
so according to this everything you stated and said turns out that Muslims are greater Christians than Christians themselves and that Muslims follow the teachings of Jesus from fasting to prayer gave you means that Christians follow Paul and Muslims follow Jesus🤔
@VoiceOfReason_
@VoiceOfReason_ 2 ай бұрын
Ummm….no 😂 and if that’s what you got out of this video, I think you need to take classes in basic logic 👀
@EmanuelEmanuel123
@EmanuelEmanuel123 2 ай бұрын
@@VoiceOfReason_ I understood what you wanted to say, I was joking a little🤨 and I myself studied theology and languages., and talking about religions is a very complex topic because you can match every word with another word., if you were to ask honestly if Jesus wanted religions., and did he want the religion to be named after him ., there is no answer to that question ., if everyone followed the life of Jesus of this great religions that appreciates Jesus ., I think life would simply be more beautiful . and it is easier for people to throw in the green ball and say that it is yellow and people will outwit each other for centuries and what color is that ball really .God is wise, and the main ingredient of peace, honesty and patience is used everywhere in religions, but there are too many yellow balls of red color. and thanks for the advice but you still haven't convinced me to become a patreon🤨😁. maybe maybe . ..... GOD be with you. Greetings from the Balkans, Dubrovnik. Yes and did Jesus throw the Stone when he said he who is without sin should be the first to throw a stone at her🫣
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
Bro stop lying 😭 10:20
@harrygreaney6028
@harrygreaney6028 Ай бұрын
I’m not much into who’s right and who’s wrong but the fact that in the Quran it says if u don’t follow allah u go to hell y would true god punish u for being born into the true religion Islam preaches hate
@abdladigun6436
@abdladigun6436 26 күн бұрын
So are you saying there's no concept of hell in other religions?
@harrygreaney6028
@harrygreaney6028 24 күн бұрын
@@abdladigun6436 there is but you don’t go hell for being a Muslim in Catholicism
@oneandtruth
@oneandtruth 2 ай бұрын
Mary is considered as God bearer, which is considered as a blasphemy, according to the Quran. Even if Christians claim that they do not worship Mary, claiming her as God bearer, making images and statues of her is considered as blasphemy. The Bible clearly states not to create images of God, yet Christians do not bother about it. Further, Islam does not say that Father, son, and Mary are trinity. This shows that Voice of Reason has not read the Quran correctly and may have been interpreted wrongly. There is not a single verse in the Quran that says that Mary is part of the trinity.
@villevilkki3625
@villevilkki3625 Ай бұрын
Interesting video, as a christian myself i agree with you for the most part and apreciate your work, but I noticed quite a strong claim: "everything in islam, they got from christianity, their art, science etc." . I would like to know what you mean with this in more detail and could you also back it up with some hard evidence. Just curious.
@abdladigun6436
@abdladigun6436 26 күн бұрын
It's funny because this thing the " Islam got from Christianity" you will find the majority of Christians saying that it is extreme. To me it's just straight out hypocrisy
@abdladigun6436
@abdladigun6436 26 күн бұрын
Also the guy refutes himself If these great Christian orientalists were living under Islamic this debunks they claim that him and other Christians make saying that Islam is an intolerant religion.
@villevilkki3625
@villevilkki3625 26 күн бұрын
@@abdladigun6436 well okay sorry, but this also doesn’t make much sense. First, he says, that muslims got their ways from christians and nit the other way. I mean you got a point, that if “everything” in Islam came from Christianity, then Islam would basically be Christianity😂. Probably he doesn’t mean, that literally everything in Islam came from Christianity, since they are two distinct religions. Have to say tho, that Islam could have gotten many aspects from Christianity and then add additional things of their own, that make Islam an intolerant religion.
@abdladigun6436
@abdladigun6436 26 күн бұрын
@@villevilkki3625 What is meant by intolerance, If women have to cover up its intolerance then this is funny in the Bible. Also, if fighting for your religion is a tolerance then this is funny in the Bible. If destroying idols is intolerance then this is found in the Bible also? The endpoint is simply that Christians don't follow their own laws then want to claim that another religion stole their religion 💀💀. Furthermore, Muslims believe that revelation was given to Jesus and it is sad that some people find similarities between Christianity and Islamic and use that as an attacking point instead of as a means of finding common grounds and moving the conversation forward. (Muhammad), say to the People of the Book, "We must come to a common term. Let us worship no one except God, nor consider anything equal to Him, nor regard any of us as our Lord besides God." However, if they turn away from (the Truth), tell them, "Bear witness that we have submitted ourselves to the will of God." Verse (3:64)
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
I don’t got to think about it bro i 1:52
@MrSimpoge
@MrSimpoge 2 ай бұрын
22:28 that’s not in Islam? They just said that’s “taqiyya”. Which is literally taught in their sunna. Are they serious?
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
JESUS says the Sabbath is holy. MUHAMMAD says Friday is holy. POPE says Sunday is a holy day. 🤔WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? Answer found in: 👉(Genesis 2:2,3) 👉(Exodus 20:8-11) 👉(Isaiah 58:13)
@MrSimpoge
@MrSimpoge 2 ай бұрын
@@protestant77 Jesus is the sabbath.
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
@@MrSimpoge JESUS is “Lord of the Sabbath day” 👉(Matthew 12:8) Jesus is NOT a day of the week!🤦🏻‍♂️
@MrSimpoge
@MrSimpoge 2 ай бұрын
@@protestant77 You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. Jesus is the sabbath. That’s why the New Testament doesn’t have a sabbath day law. Because when you choose Jesus, you rest with Him. This is basic stuff.
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
@@MrSimpoge You claim it’s “basic” yet you haven’t given me ONE single scripture 🤷🏻‍♂️???
@johnchung6777
@johnchung6777 10 күн бұрын
Jesus says I am the BEGINNING AND THE END, I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST.Now let these puny human people and their minds understand what Jesus is professing proclaiming and confirming that he is the creator and the Only Son Of God who Is THE CREATOR WITH HIS FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO GAVE LIFE TO ALL THINGS THAT HAS LIFE IN THEM YEAH YEAH YEAH LET DEAF EARS AND BLIND MINDS HEARTS AND SPIRITS UNDERSTAND THIS 🙏🐑🕊️✨🔥
@oneandtruth
@oneandtruth 2 ай бұрын
Regarding blasphemy, so how Mary evaded the situation when Jesus was born from Virgin Mary. Did jews put adultery charges on Mary, or did they put blasphemy charges on baby Jesus? What bible state such situation?
@Apostole_T
@Apostole_T 2 ай бұрын
Nothing happened. Joseph knew why she was pregnant and took care of Her, becouse He was told to do that in His dream, by an angel.
@oneandtruth
@oneandtruth 2 ай бұрын
@student_thomas well I am not asking about Joseph. I am asking about the jews. Did they not ask questions from Mary about the birth of the child?
@gamalsaad1545
@gamalsaad1545 2 ай бұрын
Quran answer this , jesus spoke in cradle and defend his mom
@Justarandomcatholic
@Justarandomcatholic 2 ай бұрын
Some of them are from tiktok and they still use them even tho we answered them
@oneandtruth
@oneandtruth 2 ай бұрын
After @17. It's all confusion
@suck-gaming514
@suck-gaming514 Күн бұрын
Bro, before you criticize Quran and spread flase information about Quran and islam, I will humbly tell you to read the Quran first with the intention of finding truth about islam because Allah mentions in the Quran "Allah doesn't change a people unless they change their inner condition (themselves)." (13:11) . As Allah mentioned in the Quran "For Jinns (Genie) and Humans" in the last ayat (verse) of the Quran. As you say that Quran is Fake or copied, I present you the words from Quran in which Allah challenges anyone who says The Quran is fake so if you're right accept the challenge from Allah which is - " And if you are in doubt about what We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a sûrah like it and call your helpers other than Allah, if what you say is true".(2:23) "But if you are unable to do so-and you will never be able to do so-then fear the Fire fuelled with people and stones, which is prepared for the disbelievers" (2:24)
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
Cap asf 9:32
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
Cap asf 9:49
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
Cap asf 6:42
@MajorRager504
@MajorRager504 2 ай бұрын
oh that Andrew Tate
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
JESUS says the Sabbath is holy. MUHAMMAD says Friday is holy. POPE says Sunday is a holy day. 🤔WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? Answer found in: 👉(Genesis 2:2,3) 👉(Exodus 20:8-11) 👉(Isaiah 58:13)
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
Cap asf 9:24
@Richrrthnyou
@Richrrthnyou 15 күн бұрын
Cap asf 8:54
@Ronaldo_the_Goa7
@Ronaldo_the_Goa7 2 ай бұрын
brother i think that 5:73, 5:75 and 5:116 is talking about Collyridianism if im not wrong, ill appreciate if you reply to me
@F10Danny
@F10Danny 2 ай бұрын
i doubt it would be, they were already deemed heretics by 300-400 AD. Why would allah ask jesus about them
@F10Danny
@F10Danny 2 ай бұрын
and also they didnt have a trinity including mary, they worshipped just mary
@denyabraham9174
@denyabraham9174 14 күн бұрын
You should try Luwak coffee
@FootballXHD.7
@FootballXHD.7 Ай бұрын
Please debate a Muslim, and not respond to random people who call themselves Muslim, I wish to see you debate someone like Sheikh Uthman or any other Sheikh with clear knowledge about religion.
@thearab3759
@thearab3759 16 күн бұрын
What do you think would the outcome look like?
@FootballXHD.7
@FootballXHD.7 16 күн бұрын
@@thearab3759 His debates really don't make sense. So he wouldn't win probably
@gamalsaad1545
@gamalsaad1545 2 ай бұрын
Give me one verse where jesus state clearly he is god or says worship me why he did not say this is he shy or maybe he is not a GOD
@adude849
@adude849 2 ай бұрын
John 1:1-14 Affirms the word which is God made into flesh John 10;33 Christ Himself was even accused of committing idolatry over what? Claiming Himself as Devine? John 8:12 That sound so bold and blasphemy for a mortal human Only the Devine have the authority to say it Matthew 28:19 Admits Himself being part of the Trinity
@COGMOFWOC7
@COGMOFWOC7 2 ай бұрын
It could be argued that Jesus might not have had facial hair because of His time in Egypt, facial hair was not a common practice and was even frowned upon. Also the shroud of Turin does not have evidence for facial hair.
@ilonkastille2993
@ilonkastille2993 2 ай бұрын
I would love you to inform us of the Jewish scripture speaks of the devil and fallen angels. A Jewish lady told me they are not taught about that, therefore Catholicism is false, according to her.
@jaytoven7
@jaytoven7 2 ай бұрын
Illogical because the part of the Bible that talks about fallen angels is from the Tanakh and verified by Dead Sea Scrolls. Therefore that Jewish lady is false.
@ilonkastille2993
@ilonkastille2993 2 ай бұрын
@@jaytoven7 yes thank you for your reply. I knew it was in the bible but could not respond to her straight away because I would have to prove it by referencing it. Therefore I looked It up and found a couple of references and responded to her with the references. I think it was just by ignorance. So many of us are ignorant but still give opinions and answers.....It is very important to go to primary sources before we claim anything.
@thatspirit4494
@thatspirit4494 2 ай бұрын
Great video, keep it up 🎉🎉. Jesus Is the Only way 🎉🎉
@mysticotton
@mysticotton 2 ай бұрын
doesn't Islam have a verse that basically says "He is the Originator of the heavens and earth. How could He have children when He has no mate? He created all things and has perfect knowledge of everything." (mate) and with the quran saying the trinity is the father the son and the virgin mary. doesn't that basically says the father had a type of relation with mary to produce the son.
@oneandtruth
@oneandtruth 2 ай бұрын
In the Quran, Mary is not part of the trinity.
@mysticotton
@mysticotton 2 ай бұрын
@@oneandtruth look up the original translation in arabic
@oneandtruth
@oneandtruth 2 ай бұрын
@mysticotton dear brother, Trinity is a different topic and worshipping Mary as God is a separate thing in the Quran. Kindly do not mix these. Refer to the Holy Quran 5.116 regarding worshipping Mary as a God And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen. Regarding Trinity, refer to the Holy Quran 4.171 O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!-for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs.
@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
JESUS says the Sabbath is holy. MUHAMMAD says Friday is holy. POPE says Sunday is a holy day. 🤔WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? Answer found in: 👉(Genesis 2:2,3) 👉(Exodus 20:8-11) 👉(Isaiah 58:13)
@jaytoven7
@jaytoven7 2 ай бұрын
@@protestant77 You do not understand what the Sabbath is or why Christians go to church on Sunday
@mrsocdaal1434
@mrsocdaal1434 2 ай бұрын
I cant beleive juwe man i come from africa may god is not juwe man probhet juses pboh and me have one god that is allah may allah guide every one how come juwe man become god that is nonsense
@HabtamuAbebe-on5hl
@HabtamuAbebe-on5hl 2 ай бұрын
John 17:3 John only God is the father but also 1st John epistle 5:20 proclaim that Jesus is 😮God
@adude849
@adude849 2 ай бұрын
Dude your preaching Modalism that's heresy
@oneandtruth
@oneandtruth 2 ай бұрын
Christianity came from a man who claimed that he saw Jesus in his visions. His name was Paul. Today, Christians are following Paul, not Jesus. The bible was written by men, decades and centuries later the original prophets left the earth. Only One true Lord authorizes and appoint His man to be the prophet among the people to preach His word. Unfortunately, Christians have assumed that revelation can be received via Holy Spirit are legit. However, this is not true. None of the books written by men was validated by Moses and Jesus. Paul invented a new faith and claimed that he was sent by Jesus and God to preach his faith. Paul's faith was rejected by the disciples of Jesus, and he went to Gentiles to preach his faith. In fact, Paul's faith contradicts with the Jesus's teaching.
@noahbonadio753
@noahbonadio753 2 ай бұрын
The apostle Peter confirms Paul’s wisdom
@oneandtruth
@oneandtruth 2 ай бұрын
@noahbonadio753 So a man confirms Paul's wisdom.
@Rahotepppp
@Rahotepppp 2 ай бұрын
​@@oneandtruthYes a man who is a disciple of Jesus Christ
@oneandtruth
@oneandtruth 2 ай бұрын
@@Rahotepppp if I am the disciple of Jesus, can I claim a new faith in the name of Jesus?
@Apostole_T
@Apostole_T 2 ай бұрын
XD I... I won't even start. What is your beef with St Paul? 😂
@Z3RO_COOL
@Z3RO_COOL 2 ай бұрын
Christianity doesn't make sense and first of all your logic needs some more logic 😅
@Catmonks7
@Catmonks7 2 ай бұрын
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@Kenrick-wx3xx
@Kenrick-wx3xx 2 ай бұрын
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@Apostole_T
@Apostole_T 2 ай бұрын
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@protestant77
@protestant77 2 ай бұрын
JESUS says the Sabbath is holy. MUHAMMAD says Friday is holy. POPE says Sunday is a holy day. 🤔WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? Answer found in: 👉(Genesis 2:2,3) 👉(Exodus 20:8-11) 👉(Isaiah 58:13)
@gamalsaad1545
@gamalsaad1545 2 ай бұрын
just admit you really follow paul the real founder of christianity not jesus
@theystare
@theystare 2 ай бұрын
how did you get that from him
@adude849
@adude849 2 ай бұрын
Source : trust me bro
@O5-11-rk5zp
@O5-11-rk5zp 2 ай бұрын
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@MuhamadhasnainRanjha
@MuhamadhasnainRanjha 2 ай бұрын
islam is the truth religion jesus will come back telling you people that he was a muslim he will saying repent now o its to late allah ukbar
@user-me4sm6to4p
@user-me4sm6to4p 2 ай бұрын
Bro, you are embarrassing yourself. Do some research with an open heart
@CarlJancorda
@CarlJancorda 2 ай бұрын
He's more knowledgeable than you actually😂
@user-me4sm6to4p
@user-me4sm6to4p 2 ай бұрын
@CarlJancorda do you know me ? Bdw He is just a philosophie person.
@CarlJancorda
@CarlJancorda 2 ай бұрын
@@user-me4sm6to4p Bro you're literally saying he's embarrassing himself🤣 How? Every words that comes out from his mouth are facts and true.
@user-me4sm6to4p
@user-me4sm6to4p 2 ай бұрын
@CarlJancorda if you are ignorant, it is hard to see his tricks when he's replying to the arguments. that is why he can't talk to educated Muslims in real life. Bdw, can you tell me just one fact, he said? And why is it a fact ?
@user-me4sm6to4p
@user-me4sm6to4p 2 ай бұрын
*English is not my first language
@mohamedemad2051
@mohamedemad2051 2 ай бұрын
First of all, where did Jesus say He is God? Where did He say that?, I don't want alpha omega things, I don't want I AM or I'm him nonsense, I want explicate words of I'm god worship me Second of all, if divinity is measured because of miracles, why don't you worship all the prophets that came before Him with miracles? If revelations to random people that made your gospel were given a century after Jesus rose to heaven, what should stop you from believing in someone like me who can come up after thousands of years of your current gospel saying, "Hey, guys, I have a new word from God"? Yeah, I would rather stick with the one person's revelations, especially when your revelations are contradicting with each other and flawed, and ever-changing with time and languages till this day. Also, the Orthodox Christians DO worship Mary. They call her the Mother of God, they pray to her, cry to her, kiss her feet, and wish for her forgiveness and miracles. So, if you have a problem with people who say Christians worship Mary, go and say that to the Orthodox. Beards weren't taken from you. Jews were the first ones to grow a beard, and now even Sikhs and atheists grow beards. It's about the general conceptions that all bearded men are Muslims, and all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are bearded. So, it became a stereotype that any bearded Muslim is a terrorist. That was the point he was trying to make, but you made it very short-sighted. The University of Al Quaraouiyine is the oldest university in the world. Do you know when it was founded? 859 A.D., more than 200 years after Morocco became a Muslim country. Also, Islamic art is very distinctive and different from Christian art. It even influenced it in the Mozarabic art era. Again, the prayer wasn't founded by Christians. Jews prayed like that before Christians. Or did Jews copy Jesus in this as well? And if you were praying like that in the last 2000 years, why did you stop doing so? Why did your prayer change to be the way it is now? Shouldn't your religion keep the correct way of connecting with God, especially in crucial aspects like praying? You are referencing all the times Jesus was referred to as God and when He was supposedly "worshipped," yet missing the points when He prayed to God, said He is not like Him, said He is greater than Him, asked why He left Him while He was on the cross, and that He doesn't do anything by Himself. The whole "I am" statement is still interpreted as making yourself believe that He is God. Because He could have been alive in heaven since Adam, He could have been an angel even, but Him being before Abraham isn't an explicit admission of divinity, and you are deluding yourself. If the Trinity existed from the Old Testament, why don't Jews believe in it as well? Also, Jesus stated many times that God is one, only one. Yet you are grasping at straws like a drowning person, saying that Jesus was also God.
@remondpayn8061
@remondpayn8061 2 ай бұрын
right so firstly your using the fallacy of wanting something word for word as u please ,despite the divinity of jesus being proved in numerous other ways which u labelled "nonsense" because u couldnt answer it, As a matter of fact u can even prove his divinity from the OT ,where in the prophecy about the messiah , Isaiah writes that he will be called "Mighty God"(Isaiah 9:6). 2nd the Orthodox dont worship Mary the prayer that you are referring to is not seeing Mary as God and nor do they wish for her forgiveness but rather Gods, we believe that those who have passed away like mary the saints and so on, are alive after all death is not ceasing to exist (which I assume u would agree) and so we ask them to pray to God for us and for the forgiveness of our sins ,since they are closer to God than we are. and about the way of prayer (prostration) he wasn't saying that Christian's invented it or anything but rather was showing the stupidity in the argument by muslims to use that to show that Jesus was a muslim further more u seem to be a bit misinformed as the orthodox christians and many other stay prostate and pray ,sure some don't because for us unlike for you the value of prayer is not in how u sit and stand but rather having faith and coming to God with a humble heart , yes prayer is crucial but not necessarily how u position ur body when u pray. and its funny that u used "my god my god why have u forsaken me" part to make ur own assumptions not realizing jesus was quoting a prophecy about him from psalms 22. and then u used "cant do anything by himself" part not realizing it proved his divinity as he goes on to say that , that he cant do nothing by himself but only do what he sees the father doing(john 5 19) no man can say that he can only do what he see's God do , its funny how the very verses u used proves Jesus is God. and about why the Jews dont believe in the trinity ,well the jews also believe that jesus is not the messiah do u agree with them there? Jews are not a source of authority for either me or u. As for Jesus saying God is one yes indeed God is one the trinity doesnt change that. Amen
@remondpayn8061
@remondpayn8061 2 ай бұрын
@mohamedemad2051
@mohamedemad2051
@mohamedemad2051 2 ай бұрын
@@remondpayn8061 Hey there my friend, I'm sorry, but what is the name of the fallacy of wanting a word-for-word quote exactly? If you want clear proof, such as a statement from the accused confessing their identity, and you consider its absence a fallacy, then let me tell you about the real fallacy I see. Which is a strawman fallacy that is being used to assert Jesus's divinity, similar to how Christians have since 300 AD at the Council of Nicea, where the matter of the Trinity was decided by the vote of the emperor and nobelmen at the time. Sir, I couldn't care less about what people born 100 years after Jesus's death say about who he was. Do you know why? Because the religion should have been fulfilled by him. but you are getting your religion from people who never saw Jesus, imagine if your name was Alex and you wrote a diary that sold worldwide about your biography. If I then walked around saying, "Well, Alex sounds like his name is Ralph to me," because some other people called you that couple times in other books from their own creation, would that be logical if that was affirmed about you because of this? Would it make sense to listen to the accusers and not to the person about how he self-identifies? I guarantee you that if Jesus walked the earth with a megaphone shouting that he is a man and a prophet, not God or the son of God, you still wouldn't believe him. You might think he was an imposter or possessed, even if he performed the same miracles he is said to have done, just because you want him so badly to be who you claimed he was-a claim never confirmed by him in any of the 1,273 Bibles circulating in the sectors of the church today. Also, if your gospel is based on random people's revelations, why couldn't I claim to have a revelation right now, 2,000 years after the last one? How would you know if it's true or not? And if you refuted me, why didn't you refute the others with similar claims? Second, I don't know how many Orthodox Christians you know, as they are few and far between compared to Catholics and Baptists, but I live in a predominantly Orthodox Christian country. They say things like "Mary, forgive me," "Mary, guide me," and "Mary, protect me." They swear by her name and pray in her name. There is even a significant divide among Orthodox leaders about the deification of Mary and whether it is a part of Christianity. Regardless, 98% of churches are filled with statues, figurines, and paintings of the Virgin Mary. I've seen many people, from commoners to pastors and monks, praying and crying to these images. You can call it whatever you want, but it looks like paganism to me. There is a video of a preacher breaking a statue of her and calling it such. Despite repeated warnings about paganism, you are still practicing it today. The argument that Jesus would be a Muslim is merely about how, if Jesus were alive, he would relate more to the way Muslims worship God than the way Christians do. Your rituals are concerts, dinner parties, and eating biscuits dipped in wine to be "symbolic of eating God's flesh and blood." None of these practices were mentioned by Jesus or any of the gospel writers as a means to worship God. Your argument about praying highlights the crucial difference between Muslims and Christians. Praying isn't just about body movements; it is about fulfilling God's command in the way He intended it to be. You may not get it; you may think it is weird or want to do it in your own way, but it doesn't matter because God said to pray to connect with Him. To fulfill the prayer command He imposed on you in this way so it will be accepted and to differentiate between true believers and pretenders/hypocrites. You can speak to God in any way or form, but it will be called "doa'a" (wish) and not a prayer. Jews didn't walk around praying however they wanted; they still do it as their prophets used to. Also, prostration, not "prostate" (lol), is the highest form of submission to God and the closest you can get to Him. It is forbidden to do it in front of anyone or anything else except God. You are also right, I have seen Christian prostrate before but It’s concerning that I’ve seen them doing it to priests instead of god, which seems to go against the principle of worshiping only God. This aligns with what’s described in the Quran, in Surah Al-Tawbah "repentance" (9:31): “They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and also the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.” May god guide you isa 😊
@remondpayn8061
@remondpayn8061 2 ай бұрын
@@mohamedemad2051 firstly no Christian prostrate to their priest instead of God , did u by chance happen to see a priest in front of the people who prostrate and assumed they were doing it to him lol hopefully not. And about some orthodox Christians who pray to mary for forgiveness , got to tell u either u misheard cause i personally as an orthodox Christian never heard anyone say it or they did say it and they were wrong , ppl who are ignorant about their relegion do exist however it has nothing to do with Christianity. and about our rituals being so and so ,youve been watching to many reels about instead of understanding which of it is actually christian and why it is believed. and really did u just say that these practices werent mentioned by him? not only did Jesus instituted the holy communion he told to do it in remembrance of him , and yes again the greatest value in prayer is in the heart u pray with , u can prostrate all u like and still not have your prayer heard if u dont do it with a loving and humble heart and spirit. In no way said that your wanting to see evidence of Jesus claiming divinity but fallacious but rather your approach and specific wording and its not about what people a hundred years later but rather what his own disciples believed in , Saint thomas in john 20 28- replies to Jesus saying "My lord and my God", Apostle John started his gospel by saying in the beginning was the "word" and word was God , later what u pushed away as nonsense is one of the clearest examples of jesus proving his divinity by claiming he existed before abraham ,to which u said he could have been an angel? seriously? the early church fathers and disciples believed in Jesus divinity, paul makes as clear as possible in Colosians 1: 15 and philippians 2:6 , and about the trinity being decided from votes by emperors and noblemen really dont know where u got that from!! it was decided from debates and theological discussions , and also theres a difference between multiple trustowrthy sources saying and many dying for that belief over you just claiming something.
@remondpayn8061
@remondpayn8061 2 ай бұрын
@@mohamedemad2051 also since you are a muslim i have a few questions , u can answer if willing. Do you agree with quran allowing prepubescent marraige and se*ual relations (surah 65:4) , also i really disagree with Muhamamd when he said that the majority of dwellers of hell are women (Sahih Bukhari, Book 29, Hadith 28 ) what do u think of these. god bless.
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