My guess is time and possible injuries should a pouch still have some charge. Dunno

because then the material can be used in various new modules, and not just limited to exactly same vehicle.

Possibly because the standards have changed and are now using different configurations/shapes for the modules...

They know what they are doing better than anyone else😜

This process breaks down the material inside to make more efficient batteries saving tons of money in the process and less mining.

Surprised to see you watching and commenting... looks like quarantine has made our lives boring and meaningless

@JerryRigEverything would be nice if you could make a video at a place like this, for example, Redwood Materials.

Hey

But do the batteries scratch at level 6 with deeper groves at level 7

തലൈവരെ നീങ്കള 🤠

Hope all the Electric upcoming vehicle companies will get it touch with these recycle companies. Let there be a governing body to access all the discarded EV's and take into account for recycling.

@@mitto20 How about no government intervention for once?

@@kanalvoll5416 Do you live in a country where government is governed on you?

They will NEVER really recycle 100% of any EV battery. Eventually they will just dump that in some third world countries when no one sees it. It is just TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO expensive to recycle even 1 battery.

@@trumplostlol3007 I don't think so, technology evolves, as well as battery recycling methods

Bare hands suffice

Ya this looks far easier and efficient than squishing a car and throwing it into a melter.

@@1148bucknasty But you cant just squash an ICE car you have to remove all the fluids first and then strip out the plastics and copper

It is probably way slowed down for the sake of the video.

@@slamdvw They video shows people dismantling a battery and speaking to each other not a machine. Did you watch it?

Yeh I agree, it would have benefited from a voice over or even a presenter on site

@@carlyleroad of course I did... kind of reminded me of a "how it's made" video...

That annoyed me to no end too.I thought they were heavier than they look at first

germans xD the same who built the TSI engines

@@creamwobbly I used to work in a machine shop, cnc's lathes, presses etc. but it was for motorcycles. This is more for mass production so the process is different. I see your point, it just looked funny to go trough the trouble to latch it to the chain only to move it 3 feet. I feel like it would be more efficient to have a roller bridge leading to the next station. But obviously this process is still being developed.

They have to test and validate the recycling methods. This was probably a battery pack off of a pre-production vehicle that was sent for scrapping.

Could be from a prototype EV with 62 kWh battery.

​@@Foersom_ the display says 48kwh and 50% soc.

When a battery starts loosing cells/aging out the fire risk goes way up , that is why there really is no good after life for a used up battery. If the battery is not aged out but has been in a accident, the fire risk is there from unknown bad cells

copy paste it a bunch of times and you get a plant.

yes it is just a pilot project testing plant....

Yes, you don't want to see a production facility. Robots are being developed to work-in and monitor those. :)

@@tzarcoal1018 It's normal germans "work"

Agbogbloshie.

At the speed they're going they might have to "off load" so recycling to Asia

Not necessary in many cases when the capacity is already very low

Naturally. This is just a pilot system that should show how it should work in the future. :)

@@alexanderhausladen5737 i hope so! otherwise this would add another waste product. its bad enough most people buy new instead of repairing, or just throw away instead of selling

In some cases, the battery modules can't be reused, and must be recycled.

@@panzerveps correct. There’s a great video from James & Kate showing heat damage on a Leaf module which clearly can’t be reused.

Agreed, second life is often neglected in the environmental argument for batteries.

German "engineering"

Definitely not very effective. Didn't seem sharp

Nonsense, they are still testing and improving the system, plus there is not a ton of batteries to recycle now.

you simply don't get that they're toxic?

This process is working for quite some time already, with recycling plants regaining 80-95% of the materials. Thinking that battery waste is a problem has more to do with successful anty-lobbying propaganda.

@@gelisob Well that is also misinformation. The reason people see battery waste as an issue is that the process you just saw is extremely expensive and cannot even come close to making money. So there are currently hundreds of thousands of EV batteries just sitting in containers that are not being recycled. Because countries cannot afford it.

@@VestigialHead are you kidding me? Where are those hundreds of thousands of EV batteries just sitting and not getting sold with a good price for stationary storage? Who is hating money like that? :D Extremely expensive? Making a car factory is also extremely expensive. If you approach it from that angle, no car factory would be made. I don't know why you claim it being "extremely" expensive, given how many new and simpler methods have been surfacing already, but even if it were, things like this make money in volume. Now if they would just find those secret containers with hundreds of thousands EV batteries...

@@gelisob The pile I was talking about is in the UK. Thousands of containers holding hundred of thousands of old batteries. Most are batteries that were in EV's that have had an accident. Due to the dangerous nature of Lithium Ion batteries even the slightest scratch on the battery compartment means that cars are being written off. So the batteries cannot be legally used for any other purpose. The only option would be recycling. Which certainly can be done. But as I said this recycling is extremely expensive so very few countries are going to fund it.

@@VestigialHeadshow me where, there isnt even 100,000s batteries in circulation now, let alone old ones.

Renault started battery recycling in 2015 together with Veolia.

So how does it compare with loading oil tankers, then sailing them halfway around the World?

With that shit from the Diesel Scandal - they better do so...

Yeah they have almost caught up with mark 1 Tesla model S , good going !

Yeah they are catching up fast , the diesel scandal actually has played them a good role, costing them a lot but will make a good return and push people buying new ev cars

Definitely, they will be world number one in recycling Tesla batteries. What else could they do better than Tesla? Considering that the first two EV they started to sell not only have software problems, but their price is very close to Tesla model 3 which is double the car Offered by V W, check the specs and it is evident how far behind Tesla are.

@@sat7755 and the vw id3 is ugly as hell ... like the Cyber Truck ... Sorry

You expect them to build a big plant now, when the big numbers of batteries to recycle will start to come back from the field in 20-25 years (EOL)? BTW, where are the battery recycling plants from Apple, Samsung, HP, Dell, ... - THEY should do something!

It sucks, many other factories are much better at recycling batteries like the one created by the founder of tesla(YES ELON ISNT THE CREATOR OF TESLA)

@@creamwobbly to catch up with battery production you're gonna need much better

Didn't even have the slow crane bring the battery pack all the way to the conveyor belt, just to the table next to it where it was manually moved to the belt by hand. At least it says that this is a "pilot plant", since this slow/inefficient of a process is just gonna lead to batteries that aren't recycled, as I find it hard to believe that the product extracted will be even close to the same price as non-recycled product. You'd almost just be better off taking the individual cells and just repurposing them to work in different use cases such as home power banks or breaking up the cells to somehow work in replacement of standard lead acid car batteries, or smaller devices. Just shredding them down to base material just seems tedious and expensive.

But also very necessary.

You realize that this is a pilot plant and they are still looking at how they will scale this? Pretty sure VW has smarter people than you working over there.

And *06:15* for the animation.

Lithium iron phosphate, LFP, cells are best for this. And car batteries generally are not LFP

@@jackpalmer6253 Telsa Powerwall is the best and they use car batteries.

Agree - but sometimes there are bad cells and it is not safe to do so, in which case recycling is needed.

That would be the most dangerous power bank ever.

@@chrisnappi4473 individual bad cells are disabled. You will measure the pack and find bad cells. It’s all about measuring.

That is what you pay for when you buy one of these cars. And they do like to burn.

So is the oil industry...

Its already aged .. End of Life .. putting in another car is more risky for declared life ( repairing cost)

@@puvi007 actually I think this is just a test plant so the battery packs are probably not old at all

They have sold small amounts of hybrids and EVs for years. Large production only started late last year.

Norway is literally filled with e-Golfs and e-UP!s, (EV's do not have the horrendous Norwegian vehicle taxes, not even the 25% V.A.T. we even have on medication.) and they are starting to get 5 year+. Even a small accident sends them to the crusher because of the high repair price, and batteries are sold on the market or sent for destruction. Most EV batteries are just incinerated today, or some of the metals are partly extracted. Dirty business..

You must be from the US? - having no idea what happens in the world around you! - The 2021 market share on EVs was 15% Tesla and 14% Volkswagen worldwide, while Volkswagen dominates the German (and good parts of the European) market. Their first BEV hit the market in 2013.

No he's doing the same

Testing is probably for detecting the bad ones that have a higher risk on fire

pilots do not operate, surgeons operate

its a pilot operation because they do not have the quantity of batteries for a large scale operation. They plan on extending the operation as soon as there is a larger demand. At the moment they plan to recycle 1500 tons a year. so around 3700 full packs.

No, but more recycling plants would be built, and come on stream in the future....

Exactly. This is almost 100% recycling.....

Not everyone is inspired by this.

Wonder if they will bother once prices come further down ? Used cells would have a higher rate of failures ?

@@jestronixhanderson9898 it's feasible to assume battery prices will pop below 100 dollars a kw over the next few years however we are moving into situation where the cost of raw materials not manufacture will be cost driver due to demand. Looking at battery life projections from CATL etc second life will become more important and valued.

hear hear !

@@ronnyfarang586 you copy-pasted your comment without thinking if it "works" here too.

@@ronnyfarang586 "here" is THIS comment section, (that "MFA Privat" started), so it doesn't work, you need to adjust it to work...

@@ronnyfarang586 oh I see...you're just "working" me... well hahahaha...

Ah yes this is what we achually need 👍

It doesn't its a vw factory for their needs, they may also recycle batteries from other companies

I know but if it dont make much profit or things that can help back it wount make sence

@@MW_DANIEL even tesla is still selling their cars at lost, we are still entering the EV era and its going to be a while before we really see some good efficiency in the EV industry. We still more and more materials to build EVs, the recycling is still very tiny

Good for you man good for you

So you burn cables for copper in africa?

They sure make it look like a badly directed PR stunt than a working recycle plant. But it looks like what they did can all be automated.

@@FIGHTTHECABLE watch American Factory on Netflix and you'll understand what I'm talking about

We'll send it to China because they don't give a rat's ass about their environment.

Everyone is processing the black mass and has done so for years. This is a valuable part of the battery that contains all the critical materials and is the main item people are after.

@@chriskahl9827 No one is even close to doing it on a commercial scale.

@@MegaBbqbbq They're closer to doing it than anyone is to recycling and re-using old burned petrol and diesel.....

Germany..

I am pretty sure the shredding takes place under vacuum or no oxygen enviroment. It is a controlled space where if something goes wrong, the damage is contained. Safety first.

This is not financially feasible because it is a pilot plant.

@@m-th fair enough I guess it's actually a good step in the right direction then..

In the workshops, there should be a minimum of two technicians working on a battery, because of safety reasons.

in my point of view mostly for safety reasons ...

The cells are deep-discharged to nearly 0V before shredding.

This is very likely. Outside the shredder is a sign "Erstickungsgefahr" which translates to "asphyxiation hazard".

@@Sassi7997 yeah that's makes sense then.

Efficiencies and economies of scale are yet to be built in, but how is recycling increasing carbon footprint over mining?

*Way* less than the average fossil car emits over its lifetime. Google “Cleaner cars from cradle to grave” if you want to see the data

There is no co2 in the batteries and the factory runs on clean electricity

@@AnalogueKid2112 Hahahaha I've read a lot of this crap... until I've decided to do the calculations by my own - guess what you'll be the surprised one - in its best, there is no difference... but only ICE has potential for real Zero emissions

Can’t be much worse than burning fossil juice

@@lumicolour1 we actually burn fossil fuels to mine lithium and transport it

Its under vacuum which means no way of catching fire

I'd be willing to bet, they just did one battery for the sake of the video. It is probably a blurry, dusty, nasty mess when they're doing more than one cell pack at a time.

The batteries *are* reused to other projects. E.g. brother's friend bought a used Leaf gen1 with battery at 50% health. He then bought a new battery (it's cheap nowaydays, especially when Leaf gen1 has a small battery and drive range) and sold the original one to a house owner with photovoltaic panels to store the energy created during day to be available during night (the battery health means the real capacity vs the original, it will work the same way like a new battery at that capacity). This plant is to show to the people against electromobilty, who always have some reason why it will "fail". The reason the plant doesn't care about the battery models is because after so many years batteries are used, it's an ancient design anyway.

energy is not a problem since the extraction machines could be powered by solar power, however, finding a new materials such as copper, cobalt,etc.. is very expensive and pollutes nature heavily, as well as throwing used batteries into waste yards.

I did nota see nothing

Better than a scorched planet.

There are massive recycling centres being built. What you are seeing here is a pilot plant. Battery recycling is worth billions.

Edit: they were recycled.

They are fully discharged first.

SOC is not SOH.

@@zertyhc that's given, might not be useful for an ev but there is likely salvage life for UPS or part reuse applications.

Hehe Yes thought of nucler waste getting handled. Like dismantling a nuclear plant by grinding off the surface until detected radiation is below a accepted standard.

My guess is that this pilot plant is for when the batteries are truly at the end of usable life.