This is more or less my entire life right here sine 2019

Quite the evolution.

Edgy year

OPs comment could also be referring to life before/after the COVID-19 pandemic lol

@@LazyLoonz Not to sound edgy but; Dinosaurs have been on earth for about 165 million years and humans have been here for only 300,000. It is more likely for us to be extinct before anything interesting happens. But Of course if we lasted longer than dinosaurs if we somehow managed to trust and be loyal to eachother for more than 165 *million* years we might actually have a chance to start a better and stronger species without us ever having to be brutally burnt out of existence :)

I mean... after seeing that stuff who wouldn't want humanity to die out

@@hibiscus_utube The weird people who look at that stuff.

the duality of mankind

i see a direct cause and effect lol

It's not what I signed up for and has become worse than the hilarious fetish art ever was.

😂😂

This is a real "oh..." moment.

Yup. The lucky, oblivious people who haven't endured the bad things -- such as neglect and solitude, abuse and violence, barbarism and torture, and blatant hatred -- are the people who remember the good things more than the bad things. These lucky, oblivious people are the ones who are the quickest to (a)denigrate the character of, (b)diminish the experiences of, and (c)justify the bad things that happen to, the unlucky people who had to endure the bad things. As an anti-natalist Christian, I don't want to wish bad things upon anyone. But I pray that the lucky, oblivious people come to experience the bad things -- that they find themselves immersed in the depths of suffering -- to the extent that takes to force their hearts and minds into compassion and empathy.

@@matthewingerson What a bingo "The lucky, oblivious" - "(a)denigrate the character of" "who haven't endured the bad things" - "(b)diminish the experiences of" "I pray that the lucky, oblivious people come to experience the bad things" - "(c)justify the bad things that happen to"

I think the reference may have been made for our grandparent's era. Today, if one does not remember the negative, we would be destined for a very short life. There will also be little left to remember. The putrefication of humanity has made it essential the remaining good people must remember the negative to simply survive.

i think having children is inherently selfish...would i do it? probably but that makes me selfish too and that's ok so i think u can understand why people kinda shit on people not realizing that what they're doing is at the end of the day selfish

@@amrsherif3409 Having children is inherently unselfish, you are sacraficing time, food, and money, for something that you get nothing material back.

@@thegrandnil764 you have a child for your own pleasure its not like you have a child for his own sake no its for yours and you get at least 10 years of unconditional love and they take care of you when you get old and for all these pros you birth a slave for capitalism who'll work all his life and statistically he will get depressed in one phase of his life if not more oh and dont let me talk about what happens if your poor he'll live a miserable miserable life the middle ground is you can say its morally grey you cant say its unselfish you know whats the definition of unselfishness? Adoption.

@@amrsherif3409 They'll be depressed if they have you as their parental figure that's for sure, go outside, talk with people.

@@ColoringAHouse that's common sense tho im not at a place in my life where i should have a child something most people dont take into consideration

Cause and effect

To be fair, seeing that does drive at least some existentialism in a person

I think you answered your own question

I think the dip happened some time after his first Liminal Spaces video.

Idk but i like his new videos

Ikr? I just remember watching him a couple of years ago talking about bad art and furries and here I am now questioning everything about life after watching his videos

@@natlynxjrgensen3452 i think is legit :V

Yeah lmao!

i want him to make more browsing deviantart :((

I prefer this turn, it feels less cruel and overbearing to discuss these things

The logic, at least as presented in the video, isn't really that sound. Anti-natalism tries to pick apart the level of philosophical foundation that it itself wants to rely upon. For example: inflicting suffering is bad - why? Violating consent is bad - why? Defying one's survival instinct is bad - why? Giving birth is a morally wrong - why? Maybe David Benatar digs into that in his book more thoroughly, but this video left me unimpressed.

I was impressed.

this video has stuck with me precisely because of how strange the logic is. if you can expect a life to be 60% pleasure, 40% pain, it is a net good. but this antinatalism puts the world entirely into the perspective of how much harm procreating is doing. the absence of pleasure may be neutral, and the absence of pain may be positive, but nonetheless a lot of pleasure and a little pain is better than neutral. This is, naturally, disregarded. It's a theoretically utilitarian philosophy Antinatalism, then, only *actually* makes logical sense if one assumes any new life is going to be more negative than positive, and that the potential near-eternal future of humanity will yield, on average, lives that are more negative than positive. And that *is* just pessimism. Solar sands suggests that a future where all the positive experiences of humanity outweigh past negative ones to be incredibly optimistic, but it just has to be better on average. A lot of lives are there already. Unless, of course, you go with all the minor pains and discomforts leading every life to be way worse than we think. I also disagree with this. I think pleasure and pain are utterly subjective experiences, and to disregard subjectivity, to add up every tiny pain and say "see that's a lot!" is foolish. They do not add up to more than any pleasure could provide; since these things are subjective, by comparison to a minor soreness for a few minutes the joy of a beautiful painting is not just a few times larger, it is magnitudes larger. Also, he seems to imply anti-natalism dodges the problem of tons of bad lives being better than a good few positive ones because of total good, but it doesn't dodge it at all! It just does the same thing but for pain! A literal utopia where everyones needs and wants are met for billions is a worse situation, in the view of this philosophy, than one depressed guy. Because one depressed guy is way less suffering than all the mild discomforts of billions! Solar sands frames this as like a philosophical truth, a sneaky but rational idea hidden behind practical impossibility. It just... isn't rational. It's pessimistic.

@@roadent217 My channel contains a bit more elaboration

@tegxi "I think pain and pleasure are _utterly_ subjective experiences" hence (probably) the crumbly crux of your conclusion. Some of my videos hit on this, such as my "TJ Kirk, Inmendham, Nihilism," my "Hiatus Update II," and most recent "Why Antinatalism (2024)" videos but also some others, and I'll be doing more content on the matter moving forward because it's false but nonetheless a point of confusion time and time again over the years I've listened to, read and argued with (what I perhaps pejoratively, but I would argue, aptly, refer to as) "denialist nihilists" - or 'subjectivists,' 'existentialists,' absurdists,' whatever someone would self-describe as (or not) - the (il)logic of that statement functionally entails value nihilism. If you like, I can provide a dedicated video response to this comment of yours but again, I have addressed its basic claim a number of times, as can be verified via videos I've uploaded (obviously not going to expect you to scour comments sections of videos on other channels, wherein the vast bulk of my historical argumentation actually resides re: nihilism, subjectivity vs objectivity concerning qualia, and so on) Sentio-centric AN, properly described, is just brutally realistic (despite many ANs as overtly or _overly_ pessimistic), and certainly rational. My channel covers more elaboration on that and a more complete model...an on-going effort though because the psychological friction to anything in the ballpark or even 'solar' system of these type ideas, is unsurprisingly, tremendous

i'll probably never get children myself but that just sounds like a group of extremely sad people

There's a difference between antinatalists and child free. I dream of adopting once I have my resources and I view most of AN ideas as logic. Children are awesome!

Yeah seeing the clips here of cringe r/antinatalism post is disappointing although from personal experience shouldn’t be surprising anymore This kind of philosophy has finer levels of critical nuances that’s been elaborated on this video, that your an person is less likely to think about. Unfortunately while the notion itself bears great moral & ethical questions into the forefront, it’s also quite counter cultural & perhaps biologically “unnatural”. Hence there are less spaces for greater discussion & exploration of these questions & notions, and the few that does exist becomes this circle of commiseration & gripe, perhaps because of how few these circles exist in comparison to the majority (hence how predominant the majority is) I see something similar with atheist/agnostic groups going beyond more valid/sound intellectual & ethical criticism and going lower into spite & intolerance, as it may be an act of externalizing their personal gripe/misfortunes into situations of pseudo projection. This was especially the case back when those ideas & secularism was less popular, or in my personal case, where it still actually is quite controversial there were a lot of instances of violence & harm caused by having these subversive beliefs. Though somewhat fortunately, with time, the people I knew in this circle starts to learn & grow out of that reactive & spiteful kind of thinking People, once they made up their mind, unfortunately often thinks that their conclusion is the correct one without room for tolerating differences, especially when that difference is a lot more shades apart than what they believe & when those other beliefs have mounting social support and hence pressure against their own belief I think these factors (limited counterculture space, relatively recent school of thought, & stark contrast with majority) contributes to the “extremization” of these spaces. But it might also be that the people drawn into this line of thinking & social spaces have a lot of mental & personal baggage that contributed to the appeal of this line of thinking, and inadvertently mixes up the two (their personal misgivings vs the ethical & moral argument). Which on the one hand is understandable because I went through a similar process, but it might also be a greater sign that these people (myself included) and society in general are suffering from a significant mental health & wellbeing issue regardless of whether or not we believe in anti-natalism

Look up James Scotmore

groups are cringe

commanda dater

and squid is nihilism

Vandilism

and he has NO KIDS

@@mynamejeff2006 OK just asking but how old is spongebob? He acts like a kid but he has a job and a house like an adult.

I really struggle to see how so many have this implicit idea that they're somehow going to be present to enjoy this problem-free state of non-being. There's a big difference between having something that's perfect and not having anything at all.

@@davidschaftenaar6530 I think the idea is that existence is suffering. if you don't exist, you don't suffer.

Why are we ignoring the “Ryan from Ryan’s Toy Review”

Ryan from Ryan's toy review from supermega?

Wasn't it Stalin who said this?

Or maybe in the future they'll wonder how did we manage to possibly bare the suffering of being awake during 2/3rds of our life, and they'll make something something like a Matrix where people can choose to go to sleep into and live a happy dream life forever until death.

How about spending nearly a third of your waking life working? Doing something you have no interest or stakes in, for people you don't care about you, just to buy things that you either need to survive or are fooled by those same people that don't care about you into wanting?

@@AveryTarehopefully capitalism ends in the future… and in my lifetime 😓

sleeping is essential biology and i find myself irritated by people who factor it out as meaningless time wasted. your brain is a vastly complicated computer and bioregulator with very gentle self repairing procedures. Also. Sleeping rocks and dreams are an essential part of learning. I mean, maybe people in the future invent a way to forego sleep, and good for them, but you or I are in no position to spit on such an essential and beautiful mechanism which keeps the program running

@@safir2241 The importance of sleep is not lost on me, however if I wish that I was able to obtain all the benefits of sleep in just 2hrs rather than 8hrs. Regardless of what future technology could provide, I believe being awake 24/7 wouldn’t be desirable as all the days blend together in a weird loop. Sleep probably will always be part of the human experience; however, life is painfully short and there’s so much out there to explore and achieve. Regardless of the unique and whimsical nature of dreams, I’d rather spend that time with my actual kids & wife.

the natural progression

I mean........

it s much better

Yes

Deviantart does that to a person.

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Best opening lines of a book in history. Douglas Adams was one of the best writers of all time.

@@RandomGuy-bi4nx Man's a legend in tens of different languages

Oh no, not again! :)

Absolutely love THGTTU

Look up James Scotmore

I suppose hot dogs don't exist in war torn countries

@@noobnoob8922 I mean probably not that many

@@brad6220 but at least a few, like 12, would probably exist in war torn countries.

I live in a third world and I haven't had a hot dog since the 90's.

@@Diwasho There's more than one world?

Deviantart does some wacky shit to a man

Lmao 💀

@@lemonpie_vanilla I've been seeing that guy in your profile picture everywhere where is he from? Is he from a manga or anime? Or is he just a character the internet made up

@@heroicdesire7971 you are amazing. I hope tonight when you go to bed both sides of your pillows are cold.

God!! 😂 I made a similar comment!! 🤣😂😂 Deviant Art's aside effects.

Reminder, 100 sterilization credits grants non mechanical reproduction simulation.

​@@thecoolcario9048 Very strong conclusion.

Deaf*

Ayee my homie

Just don’t be a sadist

damn right, anyone who has enjoyed a challenging game like darksouls would know how awesome it is to survive in a grim environment. so its a win win

@@NeostormXLMAX Dark Souls Homies Unite

Pain and suffering is not the same thing

Lol

*voring*

Dont do Deviantart kids!

lmao

deviantart is dangerous

Masochists and Sadists for the win.

Look up Martin Butler

lol very true. However there is still the argument as to life having no intrinsic value & everything is in vain

lol very true. However there is still the argument as to life having no intrinsic value & everything is in vain

lol very true. However there is still the argument as to life having no intrinsic value & everything is in vain

Look up James Scotmore

That's true of practically everything. I can only hope when I give a homeless person a sandwich that he will not choke to death on it. It may happen and it likely has happened. We can't say all such gambling is unethical unless we deem virtually everything unethical.

Look up Martin Butler

@@darkengine5931 Yes. It's true of literally everything in fact. So when you make assumptions of the positive, you cannot guarantee them, so making decisions on a positive value judgement is not any more valid than making them on a negative value judgement. Except the negative value judgement asserts that suffering is bad, we do not like to suffer, and life condemns one to suffer eventually. The positive cannot be guaranteed with any certainty. The negative almost certainly can. Even if you break the odds and don't suffer, somebody else will.

@@cabellocorto5586 I'm not sure I agree with the notion of suffering being bad in such a simplistic way. From my perspective, suffering implies the presence of something very good and dear and valuable to the person. As an example, heartbreaks are certainly not pleasant; they can be quite devastating. And they're also guaranteed to happen for any couple who falls in love and doesn't gradually fall out of love. Even then, one is going to typically die before the other, guaranteeing that the other gets a broken heart. Yet the reason they suffer so much is because they treasured their love so much. Suffering, as I see it, is a symptom of precious things not lasting forever: hearts break, bodies wear and tear, beauty fades, lives end.

ah yes, the π of the pain scale low but never-ending

Is he wrong tho? NO. HE IS NOT I speak as someone with back-pain It is Eternal damnation and suffering.

This is odd for my as a masochist, there are certain things like stress which are never enjoyable, but certain types of pain can be calming, i feel a lot of joy we gain comes from over coming struggles we face in life.

You’re clearly under 35.

@@ClayDress ... my back pain started when I was 16 so maybe Dont go by age? Backs just fucking suck.

Yes and i aint going back there.

Is the implication here that browsing Deviantart makes you want humanity to die out?

I've been there and still go back from time to time, I tend to just wish we'd be hit by a meteor shower that can wipe us out.

@@Irisverse Yes

All of this just now does makes sense in this century. We are slowly dying out now . I wish something will kill me when everyone dear to me is gone.

I fully agree with you

Look up James Scotmore

Orphages wenr away a while ago, replaced with foster home which are arguably worst

Look up Martin Butler

Very true!

._____.

Why are u everywhere?

Don’t

Zeke Yeager

Yeah I have been thinking about it for a while

What deviantart does to a mf

glow up

I much prefer introspective videos like this. I just woke up from strange dream and this is the 1st thing im going to watch this morning

he grew up it seems

I'd prefer this to _looks at smudged writing_ ...gore? Oh. Vore. Uck.

Look up James Scotmore

Ah yes a man of Quality

But I wouldn’t mind being born again if it meant I could play catch with you once more

If I over think it too much I end up feeling the same way. Just don't over think it and you will be fine.

@@Tethloach1 that could work with people who arent depressed i guess but when you wake up and the first thing you feel is dread then no it wont work

@@peap1610 I did go through deep dark depression, I made some recovery. depression is complex and anything might help a bit, but it comes down to if the person has any internal strength left. I still had some strength left to survive the so called dread, my will power was great, because I still held on to some hope. The overthinking wasn't helping at all in fact it was making things worse or harder because, life is absurd and trying to reconcile that was hopeless drowning in depression, and anxiety. If the person can be helped and they have any strength left than anything may help.

And Eren Yeager

@@hoovymain9417 lol catch up w the manga

Here take this W

i was waiting for this comment

glad im not the only one that thought of him

Lol. He probably paid this guy to make the video.

I'm caught up, but there could be others that aren't. Warn for spoilers.

I've been looking for this comment

I literally said this out loud and sought this comment out thank you lmaoooo

didn't think you would be here

Its now "I'm 14 and this is deep"

@@trolledfrog6789 was, you mean

Coincidence? I think not!

Yup

This is one of those top tier jokes that nobody can top and so everyone just likes it silently instead.

This was addressed in the video.

Sex is not considered evil in this ideology. Not using contraceptives is.

@@EspeonMistress00 Oh I know, just a yolk.

That guy is on a mission.

Make this the pinned comment pls

one thing that's interesting to think about: if you were not born, you would literally never exist, ever. you are the result of your parents, and they created an entirely new being who thinks for themselves and views the world from their own perspective, incapable of imagining what's going on inside anyone else's world. even if time went on forever, you would never be born again. it is impossible to create the same human twice, even identical twins have differences, and are very certainly different people. the chance of your parents having found each other and having you are infinitely impossible, but also infinitely certain, at least from your point of view. because if they hadn't found each other then your point of view would never exist. you probably base all of what you experience on your own timescale, your own past experiences, but those experiences would never exist if you did not. every single thing you think is entirely in your head, and would never have been thought of if it weren't for you, at least in the way you thought of it. you are, at the most personal and most basic level, infinitely unique and infinitely rare, not based on physical appearance or attributes, but on your conscience, which nobody else has. understands or ever will have.

That sounds like a advertisement catch phrase.

@@bruhmania7359 I have never thought about that before. Your comment is really fascinating to me. You have a really good point as well !

@@beamshark another way to think about it is how no matter what, you only know about someone what they choose to show, just like everyone only knows about you what you choose to show, and no matter what it stays that way because people are so individual, and so in control of themselves. think of how complex you are, all the things you know and think about and feel, and how 7,000,000,000 people are just like that, but also entirely different all around the world, and that you and nobody you know will ever even know most of them exist.

"every night i can feel my arms my leg even my finger"

"the only thing good here is food music and porno" - Fried rice Neat chi.

@@sorrychangedmyusername3594 "Fried Rice Neat Chi" lmao

good name for a band

I'm not suicidal, it's just _voluntary extinction_ 😎

@@monbub the average virgin suicidal fan vs the average _voluntary extinction_ enjoyer

there's a few metal songs called "voluntary extinction" and "voluntary human extinction" if you search it. some of the bands names are Ringworm, C.H.E.W., and Removalist. the songs are pretty kickin I just listened to them

Self Immolate by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Thrashy goodness. The whole album is fantastic.

Have you heard of Just Stop Oil?

in* the

China's one child policy was...something.

Would you want to live a life again where you get raped and sold off to human trafficking and have your genitals puffed up and distorted because of how much you got fucked and abused? Yeah no thanks. That’s life.

god damn it, why'd I laugh

Why

*m o n o k u m a*

After the end of the world, you are one of only two people left. You are on a beach, looking out to space, you can feel the heat of the LCL sea and the sand beneath you. I guess you're experiencing some Human Instrumentality.

After watching 10 seconds of the vid, you scroll down into the comments, just to see this I guess you could say, these jokes probably disappoint our families

Halo 2

@Alvi Syahri 👊

Haha I love you

fuk shrek 2 , i just want to dissapear

But I love Shrek 2 :(

I think a very big part of it is the community one lives in.

Without being born there is no risk (of suffering), But if there is risk, there is reward along side it.

And there is the possibility of greatly damaging your offspring.

There is no risk of suffering though; it is an absolute guarantee. There is exceptionally little, if any, possibility of reward though. The possibility for a single drop of water in eternal fires of hell, doesn't make hell worth it. @@PerpetualAgonizingTorment

@@PerpetualAgonizingTormentreward. maybe for you

While you may believe that, whose to say your theoretical child would say the same. A lot of parents have that mindset and bring people into this world thinking they will feel the same satisfaction they do. To me every birth is bringing another player into the rat race and if that rat doesn't want to participate it is deprived of everything. Kids end up getting punished, abused, kicked out of their homes, and for what? Even kids with "good" lives aren't immune to this. I have a "good" life with a nice house and good parents and a nice school. Why is it suddenly my fault that I'm not happy?

This is a romantic veiw of it, look into the real depths of human suffering, and tell me those people, and children who died, "grew" from the experience, they cannot grow because they are dead, in one particular case that actually happened, a child eaten alive by dogs, that were sent on him by an angry landowner in tzarist Russia, that aside, think about war, the holocaust, the holodomor, a majority of the world's population that don't have the luxury to live in the usa or Europe, etc

I recommend reading the brothers karamazov, or atleast reading the chapter: rebellion.

Download youtube vanced on your phone and an adblock on your computer ;)

bullshit, it's all in your head, if you want it to be bad, it will be bad

@@ars85202 If only it existed on iOS

@@dexei3150 F

I WAS LITERALLY READING YOUR COMMENT AND THE AD CAME UP 😂

@Fungo Slungo things can be wrong with your life without you knowing it.

@Fungo Slungo you could have liver cancer and not know it yet

@Fungo Slungo you don't have to be upset by something for it to make your life worse

@Fungo Slungo because you're slowly dying? There's more quality of life than perception

@Fungo Slungo my exact thinking my dude, everything is relative as long as an AI thinks it’s alive it is. As long as a human thinks it’s happy it is. I mean our brain is the measurement regardless of environment.

The A.I. is right though-

“I was brought into a world as a giant bird who had cheat SSS-class skills but everyone keeps on betraying me” “I’m in love with the hero but I’m the evil demon lord who’s suppose to take over the world” “Please end me, I’m tired of having to come up with these stupid names and I can’t kill myself. Why have you brought me into this world”

I watched that video.

I wouldn't be surprised if something like this actually happened.

trash bot-

yea same he when from Bad cringey art reviews to this

Its like a sauting sumn yknow what i mean

I subscribed to him when he reviewed Deviantart fetish cringe

@@mur1525 same, that was quite a time

same with lemmino, went from making top 10 rage comics videos to full-blown documentaries

I've come to love the site after Tumblr readings popped up in my recommendations.

Exactly.

Meh more like Twitter. Tumblr has gotten a bit more chill now since the great raid. Almost all the oppression screamers, man haters, and weirdos moved to Twitter

I think tumblr is the best social media platform

@@t.n.21 same, mosty because no one is really popular since you can't see their account following and it's just a horrible site to argue with someone online. I swear I realized someone @ed me 4 months later

Seeing that subreddit left me with a bitter taste

Pretty much.

@@badbad6763 its like comparing diarrhea and solid shit.

Bunch of incels trying to look cool

@Hunter Smith for sure

Yeah me too if I'm in a position of where money is not a problem anymore i would like to adopt 1 or 2 having no parent is hard for a child and i have seen adopted children love whole heartedly by the by their adopted families and i would love to give that to children that are less fortunate than me who has parents to love me

I’m so proud of you !!

Glad you won’t be in the gene pool.

Based

Bae

@meow purr Can't take away what doesn't exist.

@meow purr There's always the potential for things to go wrong or a relationship to go sour, but some things are beyond one's foresight and control. While that specific risk could be mitigated by being vigilant to red flags and a good relationship partner, it's a risk you kind of have to take if you want to start a family. If you govern your life on possibility and not probability, you won't get much done.

Wasn't even Wanted by Father. Only got married and had be because his Mom wouldn't stop bugging him.

To be fair, it's a difficult and lengthy process which is what makes the rates of adoption lower. Having a child biologically doesn't require the thorough vetting process or careful planning as adoption, unfortunately (it very much should, though)

@@hotandslavic Idealistically yes. In practice though its a very dangerous road to go down.

@@hotandslavic as Bill Waterson once said: "there aught to be a qualifying test for being a parent."

@@RockSolitude very true, I fear it would go down a eugenics route 😬

I think a lot of it has to do with arrogance of the parents in thinking they have oh-so-superior genes than the average of the population, or simply narcissism in wanting their children to look like themselves. There was even a movie I watched recently where the main character desperately wanted to have children, but was infertile, but didn't want to adopt because she admitted she was selfish and wanted her child to have her same eyes.

I wonder if that view would apply to Japan

Cool comment. I can kind of understand what you're saying. Going for a long hike, with various issues on the way, then arriving at camp and setting up, and sitting around the fire with food, drink, and company, under the infinity of stars, is immensely satisfying, even though it required some suffering and even pain to get there. But you have to admit that there's something mildly masochistic about getting pleasure from suffering, even if it is in our DNA. Seems to me that there's something purely biological about the pleasure we get from our survival of/with suffering. We lifeforms have been doing it for billions of years. And I wonder if we will ever be able to escape that loop. The Buddhists have certainly been trying for a while.

As living being, it is counter productive to hate life. However life has evolved to consume other life among other environmental struggles. We came from that lineage, and grow increasingly aware, it becomes a burden to bear. Otherwise life itself is as neutral as being a rock worn out by erosion. In this sense the Buddhist, Taoist or Stoic achieved a philosophical neutral stand with life. Any pleasure or suffering is only temporarily. People that demonize having children seem to suffer a lot more than normal people and they can’t square out the negatives.

Glory to Arstotzka

@@pufflepoint it is once you see the vids in between, he really made some art when he made videos like "can you spot one object in this photo" those vids are incredible and i think after watching them it gives you more off a reason to live given how interesting everything is in this life

Character development

is there a point to this, everyone seems to make this useless observation and comment it on the video

@@awuuwa Probably something to do with DeviantArt. It does have some questionable stuff.

Same here bro

www.roblox.com/games/6646658252/McDonalds-Obby-200-Super-Fun

My man, when are you gonna start posting again?

@@gregmill5064 bro what

@@gregmill5064this isn't 2016 lol

I think the Original argument he made was better. When he stated that by ceasing to exist, life may begin its cycle all over again leading to more suffering (as the past had objectively more suffering due to lack of technology). This obviously depends on if human life would start on earth again, but if the parameters on earth stay the same I’d argue it would.

I can totally imagine Zeke showing this video to hobo Eren in Liberio.

I'm happy I'm not the only one who thought that pfft, he'd love this video

I got sent this video from the attack on Titan discord to explain zekes plan

Ikr😂😂😂

Its funny the timing of this vid lol

Dude I remember thinking of some edge-case scenarios as a kid, and they tend to turn out to be legit philosophy topics. Like this one or Solipsism. It's trippy to see these ideas being seriously discussed lol

@@user-rf4vc7mt4d you are human bro, we think a lot.

@@Bored-su5op i litterally cannot read your comment in mobile

same book that encourages to dash your infants to the rocks

​@@impmadness That was a poem coming from a place of grief and rage against conquerers (the Babylonians) that subjugated the poet's people and, yes, murdered their babies. One thing that's important to understand about the Bible is that it captures the whole range of the human experience and emotion. That verse is the poet essentially wishing justice upon the oppressors of his people in the rawest possible terms ("may they suffer the same atrocities they inflicted on us"). Psalm 137 is a heartwrenching piece from an enslaved people who witnessed their home razed to the ground and people massacred. The Book of Psalms is filled with similar pieces, some even seeming blasphemous, because as a whole it captures all human emotion with unflinching honesty. The Bible doesn't patronize; there's not tidy little footnotes saying "he's just really sad - don't go kill children". You have to interpret it in light of history, culture, literary form (in this case, a poem), author, and setting.

I think it's more the ego. Our minds are complex and designed to comfort us, we're designed to get set in our ways and find some pride in our beliefs. Humans can pick a topic as simple as existing and try to find some way to make sense of both living and dying, crafting arguments and beliefs for or against the natural lifespan just to feel some sense of satisfaction or clarity.

Other animal are capability of conscious thinking so I’m not sure if just that Is enough to make humanity unique. We don’t even truly know what makes humans...human.

@@codenamesleepy5367 What even is human, like for real! who decided to call us that, who decided to give us those words D:?

Animals don't have a real concept of death, let alone nonexistence. They don't know that sex leads to procreation either. Saying that anti-natalism is unnatural ignores that animals have no ability to consider, let alone enact, anti-natalist philosophy.

It's only a certain race that thinks like this. And they will be replaced.

I feel this, and lucky for you... my mom told me I shoulda have kids and marry because I would end up lonely.

@@vortexsupernovapersonal7801 lmao jfc. has she at least come around?

We must then try to live the best lives we can so that they're right (and I do think that we can live with a net good in the end).

“How will I react if my child finds life to painful and wants to end” defending something my parents should have considered. But they didn’t and now they have me with chronic suicidal depression and thinks I’d suicide a most of the day and has attempted a few times.

And there’s really nothing I can do I try to be happy but nothing really dose so when I get a bit of happiness I keep chasing it but am usually stopped money, lack of friends, self confidence sometimes and anxiety and get really depressed and want to kill my self. Then when I try just to be content with what I have I feel unfulfilled and want to die after a wile. And if I just stew an misery I’ll go for a little longer but eventually want to kill myself

The problem isn't that we have too many people, it's that too many people live in large clumps like cities. Have you seen Wyoming? You can drive in that state for HOURS without seeing another human being. Overpopulation is not a thing and don't let the scum Globalists make you think that it is.

Look up James Scotmore

@@pirupami9746 no one cares

@@MISO0928 about you, that is.

@@pirupami9746 middle school response

I started seeing him when he has a devianart Chanel, things change

@@El-s Yeah those are my favorites

Eat your cereal

Yeah it’s really entertaining

@@ezraboren2069 I always do

Beautifully put.

@@powerofthenight4852 Hello, I hope that you are doing well. Thank you very much for those kind words. I am gratified to learn that my arguments were of some use to others. I actually did plan to start a blog (writing ks what I prefer) debunking the various arguments for AN, but I eventually changed my mind because this became a bit too personal. I do not know if my username (I didn't realise how provocative it would be for some people when I chose it) was the reason behind it, but I started to receive some rather gnarly messages from people. If the case of Mr Lanza (and now Efil Blaise) has shown anything to the world, it's that ideologies that uphold limitless pessimism and severe real-life harm are quite closely connected. I do not wish to do something that would endanger the well-being of my close ones. There's a difference between being courageous and being reckless. Also, I feel that many of the points I raised before are now finally being defended by others (I am not saying I had any role in this, but I appreciate the development nevertheless). I am optimistic that the trend will continue and there will emerge a groundswell of reasonable opposition that will balance the discourse (because right now, it's essentially pessimistic arguments on one side and ridicule on another). I am sincerely sorry for not doing more, but I can only hope that you will understand. Once again, thank you so much for the reply. I hope that you will have a wonderful day!

@@powerofthenight4852 Also, this is a comment I wrote a long time ago. This contains the core of my reasons for disagreeing with universal anti-natalism: 'An interesting and thought-provoking conversation! One should certainly investigate counter-intuitive positions, but one should also keep in mind that their counter-intuitive nature doesn't make them appear more "logical" than they really are. Novelty cannot negate the desideratum of nuance. Here's a reply to AN I had written a while ago. "Now, as far as the arguments for AN go, there are a few that seem somewhat intuitive, but all seem to ultimately fail. 1. The "asymmetry" argument: This comes in two forms: the idea that life has more pain than suffering, and that the absence of pain is good, but the absence of happiness isn't bad. Response to alleged A (1): I don't believe that there is an inherent asymmetry between happiness and suffering. Particularly these days, we can see that life standards have improved a lot. Diseases such as polio and smallpox have been wiped out, and millions of people have been lifted out of poverty. But we should also keep in mind that many people can value their lives despite suffering a lot. Response to alleged A (2): The argument they use for suggesting that the absence of suffering is good but the absence of happiness isn't bad is the idea that nonexistent beings have no need for existence. This argument is also used by promortalists and efilists to suggest that suicide is the only rational choice. But I think that this is an erroneous proposition. There's no need for nonexistence in nonexistence either. In other words, it's not as if nonexistent beings benefit from the lack of existence. If the absence of a less valuable life is good in some abstract sense, then the absence of a valuable life can also be bad in an abstract sense. When one can claim that all happiness is only an absence of suffering, I think that one can also say that all privations (needs) arise only due to a negation of satisfaction that once existed. Therefore, one could say that both suffering and happiness have value. Additionally, it seems to me that it's far more likely for any need to arise only when a previous state of satisfaction is reduced. For instance, I would only feel hungry when my body has consumed already existing resources. 2. The "objective reality" argument: This is the idea that people are optimistically biased and cannot be trusted to accurately understand how bad life is. Response to the objective reality argument: There are several problems with this argument. First of all, I don't think that people are so biased that they are unable to recognise the negatives that happen in their lives. Secondly, there is also a pervasive negativity bias in our society which often makes people feel that they don't have anything good, even though they clearly do. Thirdly and most importantly, any "bias" that allows people to live valuable lives isn't exactly problematic. 3. The "consent" argument: This is the idea that we cannot get consent from non-existent beings. Response to the consent argument: I don't see how we could apply the idea of consent to people who don't even exist. Unlike unconscious people (who can be harmed in the future by an action that reduces their well-being), nonexistent beings don't have a welfare state. Furthermore, we can only create beings based upon probabilities (just like deciding to drive a car). But I think that it can be justified to create a being if the possibility of them experiencing a meaningful life is sufficiently high. Otherwise, I suppose that one could also say that it can be good to create beings who would have good lives, since they couldn't "ask for it" otherwise." I certainly wish that ideas such as transhumanism and the RTD can help reduce extreme suffering.' I am sharing this with you here because I thought that this might help clarify my own position on AN as well as act a comprehensive (relatively) response to AN (the arguments have generally remained the same even as the appearance has changed).

I chose not to have children because, in my eyes, it would be genuinely evil to willingly bring another life into existence to suffer the degeneration of the species. Why would I claim to love something and then subject it to all of...this?

@@zantherhayes7229 The gift of love cannot benefit those who don't exist. There is undoubtedly degeneration, but regeneration isn't out of the picture either. There are also good people like you in the world.

Kinda hard to find women who are interested in thinking about these things, at least that's been my experience. (Edit: actually just people in general)

@@chaseharrison2064 Gee, I wonder why.

it's a self-fulfilling prophecy!

@@chaseharrison2064 I agree with your edit, hard to find *people* interested in talking about this stuff. E.g. Rust's character from True Detective & the many social norms that are crushed when you tell people there is no meaning to their lives. People get uncomfortable talking about mortality. That bringing children into a world that will try to hurt them (especially when they have no say in the matter), is selfish and cruel. When you have health issues (my mother was anorexic and both my parents are depressive), you shouldn't pro-create. I'm a chick and I've only ever found one random man at a party who was interested in this sort of stuff (I'm an atheist and absurdist and he was agnostic). I shouldn't of been born (I have chronic pain, depression, insomnia, chronic fatigue - all foreseeable due to my parents issues). I feel no contempt for my parents, but It just shouldn't of happened. Life is neither precious nor evil. It just is. Atm, I'd prefer this consciousness to death. That may change and its comforting to know there's a way out.

@@chaseharrison2064 Welp, I'm nigh, bi, and ready to cry.

Yeah, but although I agree with the fundamental idea that not just humans but ALL sentient beings is better of not being born in the FIRST PLACE. Do not exist in the first place = Literally no problems at all, but big bang happened and we now have all this shits to deal with.

@@boysteacher3818 Only the Last Man would accept such an idea. The Übermensch is not so weak, and neither are the men and women of the past. I’m not anywhere near as strong as they are, but I strive to be like them. Pessimistic nihilism is one of the main drivers of the current violence in society. Negative utilitarianism taken to such an extreme is good for no one.

@@boysteacher3818 genuine question: why is it easy to say that it was the big bang, and not God?

@@DiamondsRexpensive Because it is less far out. Of course, that doesn't rule out god's existence. But it is more plausible to believe that we were created out of chemicals from space.

And you assumed your children will feel the same way??

Look up Martin Butler

@@pirupami9746look up stop spamming

Logical conclusion

why do you reposting

@@Sxkielecior probably so that we can see the content of a previous comment even if we can't find the comment. If he was just trying to get credit for it he wouldn't have added the bit in the beginning

what a coincidence, Alan Meng

@@alandeng027 lol

Thanos makes so much more sense now

Still murder.

@@OneEyeShadow Cool motive, still murder

None of the children had a say if they wanted to continue life or not, and those are some messed up thoughts of Zeke, considering the thoughts presented in the video.

cringe

Well we would still go extinct because that child was already born.

@@Brandon-tz5pn only if everyone does as I do. Which they won't. Which is fine by me. But if we go extinct, that's also fine. Just very unlikely

That's the way to go :)

Agreed

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Wouldn't the presence of pain be pleasure, and the lack of pain be actual pain to bdsm lovers?

@@myheartandactionsareutterl9058 well I don’t know if lack of pain can be considered pain.

@@Hannah-dx4rk Yes it could be considered pain. If you enjoy pain, that is a pleasure. If you are in pain because you have no pain, that is still pain.

@Lagarto Verde That's just a reaction to pleasure. Same how someone can feel sad to pleasure.

“Oooh yeah! That hurts!”

Look up Martin Butler

It's not fair... There was finally time...

@@IaeyanElyuex my glasses!

Well, depending on how the end of humanity comes around, the last human might die just a microsecond after the past few thousand

@@SenhorAlien truth

As it seems its only the two of us alone in this world m'lady

Yeah, same, I wish more people could try to do this

Yeah although I think he should make a second part focusing on the other side as well

with respect, yes, but looking at both sides? nah, he didnt

@@richardhobbs7360 yeah he didn't consider the other side as . much

@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 yeah, it was definitely a push for the side he agrees with more OR had spent so long learning about antinatalism forgot to do as much on anti-antinatalism