We tracked what happens after TikTok songs go viral

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A data investigation into how TikTok is shaping the music industry, in collaboration with The Pudding.
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It’s no secret that TikTok is a virality machine. Songs get turned into sounds that can be used in any video, and if they gain enough traction they can catapult a musician into the pop culture stratosphere. But we wanted to know exactly what happens between a song going viral and an artist becoming a bonafide success. So in the fall of 2021, we partnered with data analysis website The Pudding figure it out.
Along the way, we discovered that using data to concretely answer this question is quite a challenge. Our process included creating dozens of custom data sets, careful fact-checking, and conversations with both hit songwriters and music industry executives to match data with real experiences.
After seven months of spreadsheets, data deep-dives, and interviews, we were able to follow the numbers to track what happens to artists after they go viral - and how the music industry has shapeshifted around TikTok. It turns out the app is completely revolutionizing the way record labels work, and giving artists more leverage than ever.
Check out the data on The Pudding's website here: pudding.cool/2022/07/tiktok-s...
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Additional credit: Researcher Halley Brown
You can find all of our interviewees at the links below:
JVKE | TikTok: @JVKE | IG: @itsjvke
L.Dre | TikTok: @ldrethegiant | IG: @ldrethegiant | KZfaq: / prodbyldre
Tom Rosenthal | TikTok: @tomrosenthalmusic
Mary Rahmani | www.moonprojects.com
Ari Herstand | aristake.com
Elias Leight | Twitter: @ehleight
Matt Daniels | Twitter: @matthew_daniels
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@Vox 2 жыл бұрын

For more from our friends at The Pudding, check them out at: pudding.cool/ They make data fun and accessible, providing longform and interactive data journalism pieces spanning topics from Ali Wong to Air Jordans.

@Vox 2 жыл бұрын

If I've learned anything from this project, it's that record deals are very complicated. In the video, we did our best to simplify the main components of how they work, but the fact of the matter is, there are a lot of components! Too many, in fact. If you want to dig into all of them, here's a great record deal simulator that's worth your while. dealsim.createos.app/ -Estelle

@hermeslein6614 2 жыл бұрын

China is the new alpha the world is laughing at America

@red1004 2 жыл бұрын

Cool

@soumyadeepkundu6025 2 жыл бұрын

Hi. Loved the video! Anyway we can get our hands on the dataset?

@mikeyforrester6887 2 жыл бұрын

You didn't actually name one famous viral track in this whole piece.

@nituldeshptha99 2 жыл бұрын

"I'm their worst nightmare really because I'm older than, ya know, 19" Tells you everything you need to know about how these companies exploit young talent

@JupiterKnight 2 жыл бұрын

sus

@hermeslein6614 2 жыл бұрын

You just mad that an Chinse company is dominating and destrying western apps

@tehseenarab2252 2 жыл бұрын

You should tell rather to make a video on India

@MrGlotzTV 2 жыл бұрын

Agree! I see record labels as rent seekers that offer little to nothing for a huge cut. Great to see that many artists are starting to see it in the same way. With today's viral marketing and connection on social media these companies are becoming irrelevant fast.

@Skemmm 2 жыл бұрын

Thus being independent is the best even if hard

@omi_cha Жыл бұрын

I appreciate the optimism this video shares about the power of DIY artists, but that question of “is music just content now?” wasn’t dug into deep enough. Posting 3-5 times A DAY to maintain engagement + being the video editor/graphic/designer etc on TOP of being a songwriter, music producer, and mix engineer for the content you create…I mean, this kind of constant churning of output & productivity is draining on a human level. It is unsustainable. The real win is when artists are able to maintain longevity in their artistry without compromising this humanity.

@lillysummeroriginals1213 Жыл бұрын

Hey there I just wanted to say I couldn’t agree more. I absolutely love and agree with everything you said and unfortunately it’s very sad. Hopefully eventually there will be a way around it and to get that perfect scenario. At least for now that we are spreading the word and hopefully that will help.😀

@Zemlianyn_music Жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree

@leoquinn04 Жыл бұрын

I could not agree more. I was also surprised they didn't really explore the idea of artists being in competition with each other. Obviously music is an industry, and there's only so many listener minutes up for grabs in a given day, but approaching artistic creation through a competitive framework will always be somewhat perverse to me. I fear that constantly playing the numbers game is only going to lead to more pressure on artists and less good music overall. The best music comes from organic inspiration, not deadlines from labels.

@hvnterly8388 Жыл бұрын

I feel like I didn’t learn anything new from this, that I didn’t already know.

@aceman0000099 Жыл бұрын

Surely if you are even mildly successful, you can afford to have some help with video making, even just one person extra would cut your workload in half

@cherie..cherry 2 жыл бұрын

I always feel bad for some artists who end up being “one hit wonders” because a sound of theirs went viral. I can’t imagine how degrading it is to one day have a song/video with 1Million streams, to go back to getting barely anything. Especially young people who think it’s a fault of theirs rather than a trend or algorithm.

@oozly9291 2 жыл бұрын

Happened then, happens now. Popular songs before the internet were one hit wonders too, unfortunate but the reality of fierce competition

@Noise_floorxx 2 жыл бұрын

Some people live pretty decent lives with the money from their one hit wonder.

@whistlingbanshee5038 2 жыл бұрын

@@Noise_floorxx I wonder how Gotye is these days....

@MynameisBrianZX 2 жыл бұрын

Consumers don’t have to be loyal to a brand. This is why famous artists go to such great lengths to form an identity and a dedicated fanbase, even delving into less-ethical territory like parasocial relationships.

@yxwns 2 жыл бұрын

@@whistlingbanshee5038 the dude behind gotye is still producing music in a band to this day in the band "the basics"

@audreyyyhappened6831 2 жыл бұрын

Vox has seriously gotten me really into journalism.

@bellecwy Жыл бұрын

no fr 😭

@mohamedshamekh3162 Жыл бұрын

not all of their videos are amazing but this is one of their best ones to be honest

@scottiejerwinabejuela4973 Жыл бұрын

Same

@Yeporoonie2 Жыл бұрын

Look up annual pay 😎

@o_sch Жыл бұрын

@@Yeporoonie2 how to ruin their dream in one step Just become a programmer or something you get 6 figures pretty easily if youre good at it

@SongL204 2 жыл бұрын

With the amount of research done for this, why isn't this published in some academic journal? This is just so good.

@analusilvaj 2 жыл бұрын

Right? It's almost like a thesis, with the methodology and the interviews... Amazing!

@iron4517 2 жыл бұрын

thats vox for you

@joshuaschmidt5986 2 жыл бұрын

yeah this should be published, would love to read the details

@daveblack6951 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to Vox!

@pasdpasse439 2 жыл бұрын

Academic journals usually include STEM subjects

@TomRosenthal1 2 жыл бұрын

This is a wonderfully made and very important doc, especially for young artists. Delighted to be a small part of it.

@newb4038 2 жыл бұрын

Your here

@justin.booth. 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't expect to see you here!

@dirkdiggler. 2 жыл бұрын

Nothing on tik tok is important

@ryucerie 2 жыл бұрын

Great to see you here! Your music is awesome!

@maia-ek8rr 2 жыл бұрын

It was super cool to see you show up in the video :)

@faisssssssss 2 жыл бұрын

It would also be good if you could shed a light on the bad influence of tiktok on the music industry, like how major labels are forcing big artists to do tiktoks to ride the trend wave as well as creating an obsession with constantly posting could lead to burnout.

@subotaiKhan 2 жыл бұрын

What big artists are being forced to do tiktok?

@mina-min 2 жыл бұрын

@@subotaiKhan Florence and the machine is one example

@imageez 2 жыл бұрын

I suspect this was researched before this became a topic, but we can make an educated guess from what has been researched. They want the big money from Tiktok listneners, so they say to artists, hey, these nineteen year olds got hella listeners and money (according to this system we choose to exploit them with), why don't you adults do the same?

@DustFR 2 жыл бұрын

Well charlie Puth is definitely the biggest one i can think of

@leonmeyers7009 2 жыл бұрын

Same goes for K-pop groups & their labels😪

@tayloreh Жыл бұрын

Nobodys talking about what this does to the quality of music itself. It forces every song to essentially be reduced to as impactful a 15 second snippet as possible, seriously dumbing down the possibilities of music

@lillysummeroriginals1213 Жыл бұрын

👍😀

@strawberryyvenus 2 ай бұрын

This is so true! Megan trainers latest song is kinda lazy

@jeremymuesing3486 2 жыл бұрын

Can't decide if this is encouraging or disheartening. Nice to see artists gaining power back through social media but at the same time they are subject to the whims of social media. They replaced one problem with another. And on top of that they are creating a few seconds of sounds in a shotgun format to hopefully keep the train going. If the problem with the labels was subservience the new problem might be constant anxiety that you'll be replaced in a matter of hours

@Putt-Putt 2 жыл бұрын

Well good thing that instead of the record label putting a knife at your throat, now it's the users who will determine your success in TikTok. Also subject to TikTok's algorithm.

@peterparker9954 Жыл бұрын

Atleast they won't be poor

@illfather7066 Жыл бұрын

They say its way easier to break through than it is to stay relevant

@Stallagmite Жыл бұрын

ya, totally, 👍 I can't see my original songs fitting on tic toc and if I put all that energy into content-promotion, I'd have no energy left for creative song making 😁

@pinkpablo5960 Жыл бұрын

meet the new boss...........

@jamtronllc 2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s important that it’s still OK to just make music. It’s OK to make a song in your bedroom and send it to a couple friends just be happy that you are creating. There is so much pressure to self promote and market yourself constantly after you make a song. It’s OK to just be an artist for yourself and a few others because it’s very fulfilling without the madness of trying to grow an audience on social media.

@shazamn8983 Жыл бұрын

Word!

@pippistyles Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@Ipoetize Жыл бұрын

Yes, yes, and yes.

@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Some people thrive posting every little thing online and getting feedback but I found I work best when I create in private and only widely share the stuff I love the best.

@jamesdavid6985 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying this! I’ve been thinking about posting stuff online but I’m a little worried about getting obsessed over it, at the cost of neglecting my career. Ultimately I just wanna post stuff for fun, and if it becomes successful that’ll just be a bonus I guess.

@JVKE 2 жыл бұрын

so thankful i get to do what i love for a living. :) amazing video vox✨

@Pcgamingfixes 2 жыл бұрын

Hey look, it’s you. Lol

@emilianorosario5935 2 жыл бұрын

congrats man!

@Neliel97 2 жыл бұрын

I love your songs! Congrats on the well-deserved success💜

@Clavinohou 2 жыл бұрын

good job on the one song that goes like

@minibray 2 жыл бұрын

I’m just glad one of my friends showed me your music since I’m not on TikTok

@kungfumind. 2 жыл бұрын

Tik tok songs are like ringtones. It doesn't sound right when your radio station plays it and your parents sing it

@fandroid6491 2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't sound right if my parrot sings it too. Or my cat. Or by that rice cooker sitting on my kitchen.

@martinhawes5647 2 жыл бұрын

Why would anyone sing a ringtone?

@Klrfl101 2 жыл бұрын

@@martinhawes5647 that is the point. It doesn't sound right

@iam_RyanBronson Жыл бұрын

Lol ringtones were lit tho

@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын

@@Klrfl101 tell that to all the people who acapella’d or whistled the Nokia Tune lol

@MargaritaPerez-iv9xv 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a data science nerd and it was so cool to see a collab with the pudding. I love pop culture, especially music culture. Amazing video!!!

@rabbitazteca23 Жыл бұрын

same as a data scientist I was soooo geeking out and was even tempted to pause the video and download the datasets myself HAHAAAHA.

@lexigreen430 Жыл бұрын

SAME! I'm a data analyst and this was heaven for my brain!

@AskMikeWarner 2 жыл бұрын

This is so well cut together and informative. While some may be disheartened by how quickly this particular song came together I hope they can also look to this for ways to think outside of the box when it comes to sharing their music on socials. Here’s hoping we will see more stories like this so we can learn from these creators and apply their tactics for our own growth!

@kennergaldamezsosa1318 2 жыл бұрын

All Vox content is.

@actuallyavailable 2 жыл бұрын

welcome to Vox

@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын

Yeah, honestly, with the part about people asking for full versions on Spotify it hit me - you can just publish all your sketches and improvisations and let the feedback of the crowd direct which ones you develop into full tracks rather than having to decide on your own. That’s kinda cool actually.

@LDreTheGiant 2 жыл бұрын

7:06 thanks for having me this was awesome!

@lukewinfield8666 2 жыл бұрын

I work as a marketing manager for artists and producers with 4 years of A&R under my belt - 3 at Atlantic Records. I preach this video's message word for word multiple times a week. This is a phenomenal video Vox and thank you for adding the data and visuals required for a better understanding.

@Sam-cq9us 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, quick question how would you describe the type of music that usually goes viral on tiktok is it Pop, hip hop or Jazz, singer songwriter etc. does the genre even matter. like from your perspective what do you usually see on the app?

@rabbitazteca23 Жыл бұрын

@@Sam-cq9us it's weird because tiktok has allowed people to form communities or "cores". So far I've seen a lot of pop but also some RnB with Jazz. I can imagine that if enough Jazz people join tikokt and create a vibrant community, you could discover more talents there related to Jazz.

@KLienne Жыл бұрын

Yikes, imagine needing to keep up with TikTok to earn your money.

@Jayfive276 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, Jvke looks like someone grew an influencer in a lab.

@koschbka 2 жыл бұрын

literally..

@maildaemon 2 жыл бұрын

He does seem pretty basic. Still, good for him

@DLCS-2 2 жыл бұрын

That what K-pop is.

@holly-gt9fy 2 жыл бұрын

@@DLCS-2 lol, so accurate. ☠️

@grandre3464 Жыл бұрын

That’s pretty much what happened

@DivineOtter 2 жыл бұрын

I'd be super interested to see what kind of longevity these viral artists end up seeing. Do they actually go on to have full successful careers, or is TikTok more of a big one hit wonder factory?

@preciadoalex123 2 жыл бұрын

Like 1%

@sudimara7731 2 жыл бұрын

They're researching new breakout artist from 2020, so still a long way to go to judge their longevity

@natatatt 2 жыл бұрын

Would be great if they did a video re-visiting this topic in a year or two to see how things went for the artists.

@firstname4653 2 жыл бұрын

some of them definitely do, look at lil nas x and 24kGoldn. and there’s a lot of others like jvke or salem ilse (who wasn’t part of this video but just as another example) who might not be the most famous but are definitely able to have a full successful careers after the tiktok hits

@ohsehun6470 2 жыл бұрын

depends on the artist. lil nas x and doja cat were able to sustain their fame

@Mu3azOsman 2 жыл бұрын

All artists are content creators now. Movie stars, athletes, tv-show hosts, photographers, and even musicians HAVE to create content to showcase their talent/support their art success. Look at all the movie stars and basketball players joining tiktok, KZfaq, and Instagram to promote themselves beyond the silver screens and basketball courts just to "stay relevant" and stay on people's radar the longest

@bjduncc 2 жыл бұрын

No not really. Most of those professions you listed already have plenty of money

@hermeslein6614 2 жыл бұрын

China is now the kost powerful that’s why

@spilltea4241 2 жыл бұрын

@@bjduncc celebrities just don't want to be popular because of the money

@LoganNagol 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but look at all that aren’t

@verygoodfreelancer 2 жыл бұрын

it’s sad that no matter what your art form is, you also are obligated by these tech giants to express it through “content creation”

@LLusion 2 жыл бұрын

this video was so well done! was hyped on a the little cameo lol s/o to all the homies in here.

@yojacq 2 жыл бұрын

Llusion here

@yzhassan2606 2 жыл бұрын

meow

@pHixiq 2 жыл бұрын

@@yzhassan2606 excuse me

@SecretSquirrelFun 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, you people really did SO much work on this. I’m amazed at the detail you were able to glean from the data. Impressive is an understatement. This must have felt like opening up the biggest “can of worms” EVER. Fantastic, and so good, I watched it twice. Thank you for sharing this video with me, much better 🙂🐿

@martinhawes5647 2 жыл бұрын

Bit of an exaggeration. This is just what research looks like. But this might be the first time you’ve seen investigative journalism.

@rabbitazteca23 Жыл бұрын

@@martinhawes5647 I am a data scientist and I'd say they did REALLY REALLY well in using data to gain insights! I am not familiar with investigative journalism and from the ones I have watched, the level of data gathering, preprocessing, and analysis and visualization is really impressive on this one. This is something I do on my job to lead clients to choose decisions that generates the best growth.

@ElyWaves. Жыл бұрын

The thing people don’t realize is even if you’re a one hit wonder, if you retain ownership of your song, you’re pretty much set to never work another day in your life. You’ll get monthly checks basically forever. Ownership is everything. I really fw the idea of licensing your music > selling it. Think that’s the new model indie artists who want to get into the big leagues should look for.

@niji.sateenkaari8835 4 ай бұрын

same goes for stories. Remember the guy who wrote the witcher series and sold the rights for...9000 $ or such? And remember George Lucas, who did it right.

@raphaeldecastropereira6987 2 жыл бұрын

Earworm really needs to have it's own series like glad you asked and explained

@ophello 2 жыл бұрын

Its. Not “it’s”.

@cupofjoen 2 жыл бұрын

And Daniel Kim

@LesbianCinemaCircuit 2 жыл бұрын

an internet version of watching a song on MTV and then going into the store to buy the album. Tiktok seems to be the new way to introduce new artists

@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын

Oh that’s a great analogy.

@kailengray2822 2 жыл бұрын

Vox never missed with answering the question no one care to asks. this video is top tier informative.

@SM-- 2 жыл бұрын

I'm only in my late 20's and I felt so old trying to understand the beginning of the video and why exactly Jake became so popular. To me it sounds like he just started restreaming other people's viral videos to game the algorithm to become popular himself? And I don't understand how adding a small vocal bit of your own at the end of other people's songs makes you an artist. Maybe it's because I don't understand what happened, but to me it seems like he's just shamelessly riding on the popularity of others to get his name out there so he can inject his own content to other people's music to profit out of it. Seems really unoriginal and shameless to me.

@angrygopnik2317 2 жыл бұрын

That's how capitalism works

@fandroid6491 2 жыл бұрын

I'm only in my 1st decade and I feel like my age is 50 from watching this video.

@emmetharrigan5234 2 жыл бұрын

yeah that's basically it. Ride the virality of another artist, get some gimmick "it factor" like pretending your mom produced the song you actually made, and be young and attractive so the algorithm boosts your boo boo music.

@roeland195 2 жыл бұрын

Oof harsh take but I agree. That's a lot of what the entertainment industries are in general though, always riding on what worked in the past.

@chillin5703 2 жыл бұрын

Well, no. If I understood, he makes a mashup of two songs that are popular (as in, he mixes, edits, etc - similar to a remix), then pretends his mom made them. He added his own vocal to the end of one to see if it could work, and then from that point he started making more original stuff.

@papyrusted 2 жыл бұрын

Now I understand why they’re pushing all the artist to do viral TickTock’s

@hermeslein6614 2 жыл бұрын

Becuase China the most powerful

@s5r581 2 жыл бұрын

@@hermeslein6614 powerful what? Because they Banned china people from the west and when the song get viral and no politics then china can see them then it's get popular? Or something else?

@thegnarledpirate9198 2 жыл бұрын

@@hermeslein6614 China is conquering the west through TikTok. I will never bow to the Chinese! *Orders sushi from Ifood*

@melunz8138 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegnarledpirate9198 sushi is japanese food

@Putt-Putt 2 жыл бұрын

@@melunz8138 tells you a lot of these mindless anti-china sentiments if they can't even differentiate between China and Japan.

@krishbbk2 2 жыл бұрын

This is just brilliant. Cannot understate the depth of data and insights, following up with artists and understanding the reality of it all. Don't change vox. You're the only journalism institute I regularly follow.

@caseysmith5310 Жыл бұрын

I am personally a concert promoter, and we have found that there is a very small window where a "TikTok Artist" is actually worth any tickets...this TikTok music world is still relatively young so it's hard to know the long term effects of it all, but what I would be really curious to know is the data on "TikTok Artists" and how it actually translates to ticket sales and touring. This would be a great follow up video.

@Taby_G Жыл бұрын

Data analyst here, you guys did an amazing job. I don’t know if you’re just showing excel for the video graphics or you actually did some data analysis through excel, if you did. I take my hat off to you, amazing job.

@Matojeje Жыл бұрын

What's the program you'd actually use?

@MyBroSux24 Жыл бұрын

Now you got this data, can you also give an insight about old songs that out of nowhere get picked up go viral and streamed massively and even rising to the top of the chart? I mean Songs like "Heat Waves " by glass animals is in the uk top 40 for almost 2 consecutive years. How? How can tiktok be such a influence to finding old tracks and shoot through the roof statistically

@gamesgames3318 Жыл бұрын

Yes even old songs from other languages. I'm amazed with the diversity and age of these viral old songs.

@ericcartmansh 2 жыл бұрын

I can't even ballpark the amount of time you must have spent just compiling the underlying stats for this video. Would absolutely love to see the source sheet, if not for the data then at least for the way the sheet was structured. So so so many ways to slice and dice the data! 15/10 video

@mink03 2 жыл бұрын

An amazing doc, but as a musician heartbreaking to watch. Adding all of these social networks into the mix, it adds a double edged sword when it comes to getting your music out there. Now more than ever, technology has made it easier for anyone to go out and put out a song.

@iam_RyanBronson Жыл бұрын

I disagree - its inspiring to me! Anyone can do it Many will quit Many aren’t good enough Many aren’t patient enough The strong & the persistent will survive! Its not who ya know anymore

@maebliss344 Жыл бұрын

@@iam_RyanBronson I agree with him…it only adds to the noise out there, and there are plenty of talented artists who don’t want to be on social media at all, much less spend hours daily figuring out how to hijack algorithms. I mean…kudos to these fellas for figuring it out, but it’s going to eliminate a lot of talented musicians and songwriters from being discovered just because they don’t have a TikTok. Michael is correct-it’s adding noise that new artists have to cut through. There are obvious benefits, and I am one of those folks that turned down a contract with a label because it would have meant relinquishing rights to our songs, but in my case, keeping integrity meant breaking up the band because my mate wanted to sell out, and I didn’t. I wish my band mate had seen the value in what I was trying to do for us like Edith Whiskers, and we were getting an organic following quickly with no release of an EP or single, but I wore soooo many hats that I felt like I barely had time to write, and I can’t imagine adding TikTok to the mix. Now I invest 0 time in music because as a writer, knowing the rates the Gov set on streaming royalties, I just don’t see the ROI being there/it makes more sense to use my STEM degree….my understanding was that touring and licensing is the only real way to earn as a songwriter anymore, but I have been out of the industry for around 4 yrs now.

@JacyndaMinor Жыл бұрын

@@maebliss344 you are lucky though, in a way, since you have a degree you can make a good living and just focus on your art without any pressure. In the war of art he says, “if you were the last person left on earth, and no one would ever see it/hear it, would you do it then? Would you still make your art? Success should never be the only justification you accept for taking the time out of your schedule to feed your soul. No one simply “doesn’t have the time” for something, you choose what matters to you and you make the time for it. I do hope that you will prioritize your art. I spent many years working full time and coming home and painting all night. I’d have to request vacation days for art shows and I’d barely get done in time. Eventually I was able to switch to part time, then to full time art, and now I’m going back into working part time again. What matters most is at the end of the day, did you find beauty? Did it find you? You deserve to feed that need in your soul, if it’s there, to connect with the universe that made you- even if it never pays a dime.

@maebliss344 Жыл бұрын

@@JacyndaMinor Just to clarify….I’ve always done both, but extenuating circumstances and led me to instead of focusing on music, more so on gardening and other talents. I felt that music wasn’t really my first love. Writing is, and though songwriting is fun, I really need to dedicate that focus on one of the three books I’ve been forming in my mind for the last decade. Prior to music, I did more visual art and have won awards for that. I feel like music can become a bit of an idol, and I think it’s healthy to explore all one’s talents. Plus, to be blunt, not a fan of the music industry in general.

@ZonieMusic 2 жыл бұрын

Caution! Remember the genre of music you make also matters... Less mainstream genres or those not fit with the usual younger audience of Tiktok users will probably not do well. EDIT: The keyword here is 'probably'. This is coming from a 20-year old who likes experimenting with mixing orchestra and electronic sounds. If you want to make non-mainstream music, go ahead!

@tungochuy 2 жыл бұрын

I mean that's the case and you cannot build a loyal fan base through making mainstream songs

@ZeusFeni 2 жыл бұрын

Keyword: Probably. Attempt anyway, you have nothing to lose

@fandroid6491 2 жыл бұрын

I'm proud that I'm not one of the Gen Z people who likes the garbage that is nowadays trendy music. Literally any pop music before the 2000s

@MrJosexph 2 жыл бұрын

@@fandroid6491 Take it from me, you don't want to be that guy. Who's to say you aren't the one listening to garbage music? I only say that because its all relative and based on preference. Just because its trendy doesn't mean its bad, nor does it mean that you shouldn't listen to it. Like what you want and don't judge those around you, or else be ready for the same stones to be tossed.

@tiffanysandmeier4753 2 жыл бұрын

@@fandroid6491 @JoeyKisling also it is a historical pattern. You do realize that bands that are considered classics now had detractors that called them garbage when the songs were new. I am not saying all new trendy music will become classics, but some of them will.

@BoxoutMusic 2 жыл бұрын

I was one of those 125 artists who got their big break from a TikTok hit in 2020! My song "I Just Want To Be The One You Love" exploded because of some popular video trends, and it allowed me to launch my music career.

@Sam-cq9us 2 жыл бұрын

would you say your song going viral was random or did you make it with the intention of people starting trends with it? and about how long did it take to blow up?

@BoxoutMusic 2 жыл бұрын

@@Sam-cq9us It was totally random! The song that went viral is one I only put about 2.5 hours of effort into and then forgot about. I never expected it to go anywhere lol

@Sam-cq9us 2 жыл бұрын

@@BoxoutMusic how long did it take to catch on immediately or weeks?

@BoxoutMusic 2 жыл бұрын

@@Sam-cq9us I posted the song in summer 2019, and it didn’t even catch on until around March 2020

@Sam-cq9us 2 жыл бұрын

@@BoxoutMusic wow interesting i wish there was some way we could detect it or something. But it seems to be completely random (on top of already being a good song). Have you had any success after that? Like long term.

@TheRealityofFake 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Also, I think it'll be interesting to dive more into the question of are musicians just a type of content creator. I think of this especially in the context of kpop where it's not just the music that's important, but the style, the personalities, the interactions with fans, etc etc

@eduardoco789 2 жыл бұрын

Im happy to see that these fresh and young artists are getting wiser on their decision especially on their career and kudos to the dude who said the line "im their biggest nightmare really because im over, you know, 19".

@AgentMaayan Жыл бұрын

From a data analyst perspective, this is so well made and well researched. Super interesting, thank you!

@purnangshupaul 2 жыл бұрын

What a fantastic research. Kudos to you guys for making this

@marinemanaphy101 2 жыл бұрын

It’s interesting to me to see which artists are bad at this. There’s one in particular (not going to name names bc I don’t want to be mean) who had a really good song that I liked but he *refused* to release it until he’d gotten enough tiktok attention on it. For literal months, this clip would come up on my FYP, and half the time it’d be the artist himself saying something like “Help this get more plays and I’ll release it” or just replying to literally every comment with another clip where he used the audio. Eventually the comments turned against him more and more. People were annoyed that he didn’t release it. He started losing followers and his likes declined. Eventually he released the song, but it was kinda too late - people were annoyed at the gimmicky “give me more likes and maybe I’ll release it” attitude, and the stalling, and whatever else. He didn’t really get the listeners or the streams, and I’ll fully admit, I liked the song but got tired of following along for a couple months and I didn’t really listen either by the time it came out. A lot of these artists who get a viral tiktok song have to be able to move fast and move correctly, and for a lot of them it’s just not in their wheelhouse. When people talk about it being hard work, they’re not kidding. A lot of aspects of pop culture are like steering a ship, in the sense that all changes are slow and it takes a while to see the impact - but tiktok is like go karts, where you can start and stop suddenly and make fast turns to or away from something. It’s not just working hard, but it’s also having an understanding of timing and of how to build hype, and that level of strategic thinking is a lot to try to handle when you’re a new artist without experience who suddenly has to figure out how to handle their first-ever release potentially being a number one hit on spotify.

@folabiayonrinde4185 2 жыл бұрын

The storytelling, the data visualisation, the animation in the this video 😮‍💨👌🏾 so so so good

@joshupton 2 жыл бұрын

So good! Came in expecting it to be a classic "TikTok is ruining everything" piece, left with a whole lot of nuance around the current and future of the music industry. Really great stuff👏👏👏

@Alexander-mh2ky 2 жыл бұрын

If you didn’t notice by the video but tiktok is ruining musical creativity by forcing todays artists to center their songs around a catchy or “viral” part of their song. This leads to unoriginalality and degrading of music to limit itself to the catchiness of its chorus

@SuperMustache555 2 жыл бұрын

The reporting here is incredible! The video editing elevated it to another level!

@Internetiswatchingu 2 жыл бұрын

So glad to see this series return! I’ve missed it. What a great way to start it back up! Excellent work

@HarunaMaurer Жыл бұрын

knew both of Jvke's songs because they are super used on social media but had no idea Jvke was a diy artist, i always thought he was an upcoming artist from a label

@k.k8791 2 жыл бұрын

The world is changing and everything moves so fast ..everything is weird

@fakhri9156 2 жыл бұрын

It's both interesting and terrifying

@petrus9067 2 жыл бұрын

It's excruciatingly scary for the future since you just have no idea what will be going on

@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын

@@petrus9067 man, I remember 15 years ago I was like “it’s so exciting, the possibilities are endless” focused on the good possibilities. Now I’m older I’m like “oh god, all the possibilities” in terror about the bad ones.

@hollowillow 2 жыл бұрын

EXCELLENT investigation, I'm geeking out hard at all the things you guys had to do to come up with the final numbers. Great work 💞

@jomertomale 2 жыл бұрын

Is music just content now? The real answer: Yes. Most of them. Ever since. Even from Beethoven's time. But some still are. Art.

@jessine 2 жыл бұрын

This was fantastic. Just like every other video Vox puts out. I'm blown away by the quality, relevance, fascination and entertainment value of your videos. Thank you so much.

@freddywhite 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating work, as always. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into these 22 minutes!

@alexanderndace8875 2 жыл бұрын

One of the best documentaries I have watched this year. I wish every upcoming and emerging sees this. Incredible job from The Pudding and Vox.

@chengyiq3066 Жыл бұрын

The amount of work & research put into this video alone is simply amazing, and it's only an understatement!!

@jus2mangue 2 жыл бұрын

Really interesting video. Thank you so much for all your research !

@Isaiahmightbecool 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that this channel puts so much effort in the videos.

@legofan123456789able 2 жыл бұрын

Estelle and Matt - WOW! Thanks for this and all the time invested!

@blackpanther9504 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like living in some sort of dystopia.

@ArbysMom 2 жыл бұрын

Estelle hits it out of the park again! She is my favorite Vox producer. Kudos to her, and Matt, and all those involved with this.

@coolthought8456 Жыл бұрын

This single video is the most insightful ever for the current trend in the music industry. The most important thing is asking the right questions to get the most valuable insights and you guys totally nail them. Great job. I have a question with something mentioned in the video. WIth an output like 3 to 4 post a day in TIktok, is the quality going bad? Are the listener sense of good music is going bad?

@Emily-br6bv 2 жыл бұрын

Really great video! I don't know anything about the music industry but I do know a lot about tiktok and most of the music I listen to nowadays has come directly from tiktok. I appreciated all the hard work that went into this video!

@SteveLionProducer 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you thank you thank you for this type of content its so appreciated as a music producer 🙏🏼

@truthseeker6843 2 жыл бұрын

This is huge, the most useful thing I watched this month for sure. As a person who is dreaming about being an artist, this is just instruction to how, and I am grateful for that

@vucanh7360 Жыл бұрын

Wow! Thank you Vox for such a nice research-intensive work 👍

@codishaa Жыл бұрын

This is fascinating research. Kudos to yall! As a social media manager, I need more videos like this please!! I also love that yall mentioned these artists need to go on tour to expand their exposure. In real life experiences are just as important as the digital.

@jhasuabullones4278 2 жыл бұрын

Omg i love your videos SOOOOO MUCH, I’ve been waiting for them and was worried maybe you wouldn’t continue but again the level of investigative and análisis work that you do is outstanding … THANK YOU REALLY!!!!,!!!

@andredenegri8633 2 жыл бұрын

Kudos to the work and research put into this video!

@spicea8086 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful and very informative video! I have been loving this earworm series, and would love to see more content on topics like insights on the music business, trends in the music industry and technology, etc!!

@user-sv2ln1sv3v 2 жыл бұрын

Such a great documentary! Thank you for the efforts to shine some light on the industry

@SpanishJohn 2 жыл бұрын

Your vids always manage to touch me. Keep the great work coming.

@timeenbyvictorious 2 жыл бұрын

This is so useful!!! Thanks!

@iqbal55 2 жыл бұрын

Incredible amounts of research done for this video and the visual output and overall message was astounding. Kudos Vox! Also all that stuff about having to generate fresh content 2-5 times PER DAY to feed the algorithm gods made me suffocate a bit, since I practically don't exist on social media

@LouisLuzuka 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this with us!! Super cool to see the behind the scenes

@kingace6186 Жыл бұрын

I love how deep and amazingly positive this video was! I very much appreciated this. Very informative; very engaging; very journalistic.

@leaveitorsinkit242 2 жыл бұрын

In this day and age… 240 fifteen *second* clips is worth more than 1 *hour* long album.

@ydid687 2 жыл бұрын

thorough, insightful work, always appreciated by everyone

@wheresbren Жыл бұрын

I am more impressed by the research you guys did in this doc, very informative!

@ardaduck735 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for making this video I've been interested in this topic for quite a long time now.

@crescentris Жыл бұрын

this was so helpful and informative as someone looking into what the modern day musician career path looks like now! thank you!

@WyessEnt Жыл бұрын

Your not a musician if you need this information, music is creating something because you love it. Of course we look up to all the big name artists due to their fame but the real reason you should want to do it is because you want to create something people will love. Instead everyone wants to be famous and chase fame that doesn’t equate to something being good. Make something that makes you happy and others happy.

@geniuspeng Жыл бұрын

It’s amazing how many underlying trends you can uncover by diving into the data

@exzactlyvideo 2 жыл бұрын

FINALLY a video exploring this topic! LOVE

@ConnorAidan Жыл бұрын

such a well made video! Congrats to the team that produced this!

@farnellnewton 2 жыл бұрын

First of all WOW! Vox, thank you for this and you did an amazing job on bringing to light what a lot of us are doing out here in music. Some are going to see this and see doom and gloom and others are going to take this information and put it to use and seize the day.

@Fritzelgard 2 жыл бұрын

the amount of work put into this is incredible, bravo Vox!

@kilaswas 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video. Well done by all that was involved.

@JMsurYT Жыл бұрын

The depth of the research for a KZfaq video is outstanding. Kudos to you Vox for putting the effort !

@neilharris1440 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks foir this. It would be great if you did a part 2 on this to analyze whether it was a better decision (at least financially) for the artists to stay independent or not.

@Vulioll 2 жыл бұрын

This is a incredible study. I love this incredible data analysis! Thanks for the incredible content!

@sirmarky9991 Жыл бұрын

This is like a Qualitative Research put into a video. Kudos Vox. Always great video as always.

@theMoporter 2 жыл бұрын

That first guy's story is just, like...becoming popular by lying? There's nothing new about that lol

@Jayfive276 2 жыл бұрын

Is it going viral when that’s exactly what you’re trying to do?

@Sam-cq9us 2 жыл бұрын

do what you gotta do

@Yaqins 2 жыл бұрын

Another quality documentaries from Vox. Very well done guys.

@ShapeyFiend 2 жыл бұрын

Impressive work went into this doc. Very interesting.

@nihalm2684 2 жыл бұрын

What an amazing and throughly insightful video. Thank you for painstakingly making this

@lookslikeitisme 2 жыл бұрын

Yet another killer video!

@ihatealexander 2 жыл бұрын

an absolutely wonderful video

@cloudgoose Жыл бұрын

Really great reporting. I feel like I understand the pros and cons of Spotify better now, and the music industry better now.

@yahyaharyantoo 2 жыл бұрын

thank you, really appreciate your works!

@redroyce4590 2 жыл бұрын

This is the dream for a lot of people, to become a successful musician / content creator. The video was very informative, so thanks making and releasing it Vox.

@Sam-cq9us 2 жыл бұрын

yes it is

@mrjinglejonny 2 жыл бұрын

how much i just learned from this video isn't even countable. Also, the production and amount of work put into this video was a lot but it was worth it. Thanks Vox