Depends on the punctuation, I suppose: *Hey Vsauce, Michael here* : We are Vsauce *Hey, Vsauce; Michael here* : He is Vsauce *Hey, Vsauce Michael here* : His first name is literally Vsauce wtf

@Krikegory Kigerstone idk man, there may be more possibilities, too

crimberocs

Toasty *Hey Vsauce Michael, here*: we are Vsauce Michael and he wants us to come here

We are "hey" and he is "Vsauce Michael"

Lmao

You got issues lol

@@ShowTheOreo I'd say not understanding a joke is a bigger issue mate

TheMikesc15 Great comment, some people just can’t appreciate stuff, y’know?

underrated comment

How original..

I loved it

Medicine is made of drugs, so drugs are medicine.🤣🙃

@@bryanrosales13 Some

I heard this comment

Lol

Consent 😂👍🏽

Vsauce serious about concnet :D

John Smith lmfao

Yall refering to sex? As if the person cant say no after it begins? The name of what you are laughing about is 🌟rape🌟

AgentMinor ReligionBrigade Best comment I’ve seen on the internet today

Got me a laugh bud

@@vincenthucknall6464 what you think I was joking?

Top ten comment 2019

A Joe Rogan DMT joke that I actually laughed at. Well done my man 👏

Lol

*Hamilton Morris has entered the chat*

@@itssk1092 Hell yes

True lol

If it's your dream to do drugs then you have a problem

Wish I knew this before my first shroom trip, I got absolutely RUINED for 9 hours 😂

@@QuantumNetwork at least u didnt do dxm... ive been ruined for a year lol

@@Scotty-vs4lf brooo, I don’t know much about that, how was it and how have you been? I feel like people think im exaggerating when I tell my story in just basic shrooms but I genuinely feel they have altered me permanently and make me more anxious even to this day a year on, I hope you’re doing good bro

@@QuantumNetwork dxm is a dissociative, similar to ketamine but it feels worse (apparently, ive never done k) and lasts a lot longer. too much happened to put it all here, but basically i was pretty sure i was dead for like 2 months after it lol. i never had anxiety in my life but to this day i still get panic attacks because out of nowhere i get flashbacks to that night where i was stuck outside of reality, best way i can describe whatever happened in one sentence lol

@@Scotty-vs4lf I feel you bro, never had anxiety either but after the trips, to this day over a year later even just hearing the word mushroom or shroom starts making my heart palpitate lol. But I like having these talks with other people to know we good, just our minds being weird sometimes lol

Naked

„Hey vsauce michael here“

You don’t happen to be in the middle of now where unless your on aya also

That normally doesn't happen with Ayahuasca

he doesn't know what psilocybin is.. 11:15 hes not getting high anywhere sad host for this material.

Norm MacDonald nailed it.

This is accurately accurate

Who is Larry King? I think you mean Alex Jones....

@Nate Ashbrook Got a laugh out of me. Nice job.

Nate Ashbrook Steven king wrote IT dumass not Larry King 😂

I took a 6g dosage of shrooms & I hated it. it wasn't my first time taking shrooms but it was by far the biggest dose I'd taken & I freaked out. I think I'll stick to acid

Nepho acid is just different

@Nepho acid isn't necessarily stronger. Just effects you a bit differently. I'm sorry to hear you had a negative experience with it, I'd say maybe it was just the be trip since every trip can be drastically different. But I'm not sure. However I have heard of acid not really working that much at all on people with autism. And add even effects me much differently then it usually effects people too

9.5 grams!? Thats a quarter plus some, that is a huge dose man. I took half that and was able to smear the colors around me like painting, then it would slowly fade back. I couldnt imagine taking double.

@Nepho btw nepho. dont take 9.5 your first time, take an 8th. 3.5 grams

pandakicker how do you know he did not do exactly that

pmellow I don’t know if he did or not but if you watch the video, he obviously didn’t do it the way people normally do. It’s not normal to have cameras in your face while you’re on ayahuasca. It was just a suggestion based on how he described the trip he had. I don’t care if he tells us about this second trip just for himself or not. We don’t need to know if he ever goes back on his own to do some soul searching. That’s none of my concern. I was merely suggesting that he should and hoping he will whether he makes it public or not.

wouldn't he need to go back to peru to get that shit?

@@paul_particularlyunhappynut they have underground ceremonies all over America

@@ginger1531 shit i need to get me some of that too

There's something that's somehow comfortingly average about his appearance. Tho he does also vaguely remind me of one of my best friends from middle school, so for me there's always been a strange vague feeling of familiarity as well...

i wouldn’t recognize him in public

It's the beard. Makes him look friendly. He'd look evil without it.. but I'd still love him regardless.

He really is. In an alternate reality he has dreads and a massive mustache.

He’s a handsome boi

"-where the _FUCK_ are my fingers?" Very important difference

Teodor Teisberg lol

My self conscious not going to melt into the rhythm of the universe. Or is it?

*why* are my fingers?

@@gabobo Who are my fingers?

Who hasn’t

He did Vsauce

Acid is great

@@wotm8870 so are shrooms

@@nathanielb3502 shrooms > acid

Watched some of the episodes,personally they are lower quality videos than his D!ng and Vsauce videos,I dislike them they are lame small people experiments

Yes

@@jhinabloomingflower807 'small people' You mean small sample sizes? Michael has said that they usually have *way* more people participating than what they actually show, and when they don't they make that explicitly clear

I kinda like it, but I can't get over the fact that all the experiments on humans seem kinda staged to me. I liked Vsauce way better tbh

Oh shit there’s only like 2 days left to watch them

Nah

Not even close

Down er Shamanic rituals involving ayahuasca were around long before the counter-culture in America

@@downer9099 not with the cameras or crew, just with a shaman in the jungle. Or just eating a mushroom in the woods which our primitive ancestors did very often.

@@roldybangzz2228 that's what I'm saying. No camera crew or everyone watching you

Semka7a 😇😇😇

Lmao the rogan dmt cult

I came to comments just to comment something like this. Duncan Trussell mannn

"I have never done it myself, but I wholeheartedly recommend it"

“So.... have you ever heard of DMT?”

He is one

He looks like the word "Gmod"

Young father gregory

No no no, WE are Vsauce

vsauce is his code word for acid

because he looks like Walter White?

*an

I don't think that's how it works

Rockdrigo thankyou I came to do this lol

I didn't even realize 24 minutes went by until I looked at how long the video was

I can't fall asleep without his voice. :D

You should listen to Joe Rogan's podcast

He's one of the people I want to narrate my eulogy

I'd charge to battle after his speech

Where?

Aribah A beginning when he talks

@@jakeandrew333 ohh I see thankss

Exactly

whats go great about violence? I f... hate violent ppl, I find them repulsive and not very intelligent...

Not related .

Did it work? He ended up killing himself.

Joshua Garcia he said his whole life as soon as he felt old he was going to. He felt old so he did

Joshua Garcia he lived and died on his own terms so yes

YESSS

Yes!

there should be more like buttons for this comment

H3 has more subs so it's prob unlikely... Would love for him to prove me wrong though!

Yeeeeeeeeesssssssss

Totally

I love this comment

"The elves have found a new way to say HOOORAY"

🤖👾🤖

this post is massive

@@gitsurfer27 AAAAAAAWWWOOYAAOOOHHHHHHH

Chicko 13 70 marijuana isnt a drug yet they still shut down the living legend custom grow

D - Ruger Don’t kid yourself, marijuana is a drug. I say this as an avid consumer (edibles and joints) and to say it ain’t a drug is straight up lying.

D - Ruger customgrow420? That sucks. Used to watch him about 4-5 years ago

It’s the agenda

@@Sunny-uh5bc I guess the main point of saying it's not a drug is in the fact, that you don't have people murdering each other for a joint. You get this behaviour in meth and heroin addicts and meth and heroin are typically those drugs you imagine when someone talks about drugs. You don't use needles or snort marihuana. Stoners don't typically go to rehab. Truth be told, when it comes to drugs, the humanity is a junkie. From white sugar and red meat to nicotine and alcohol, all we, as a species, practically do is drugs. So technically anything you do periodically because of it's effects is a drug, even friggin serotonin. So of course ganja is a drug. But not as addictive and as destructive as the term would have you believe. Say you have a brother who does meth and you smoke weed. Would you categorize yourself with him as an equal drug user, or would you rationally understand that while both of you are doing drugs, you are not the junkie?

No one cares hippie

Thanks for sharing your story! And you are absolutely right, you have to go in with a purpose like reconnecting with the spiritual side of things, or trying to work through trauma and addictions etc.

@@vranime3772 fuck off, there are enough who care

The real Ayahuasca is from Perú

@@sonoman123 Yes, from the Amazon Forest which constitutes Peru, Colombia and Brazil. Each culture has its own take but all have their genesis from the same forest. I wouldn't attach it as a country being the "real" one over the other, as they all share the same roots. Regards.

Coated in Vsauce

A shitty ass society with no purpose promoted misuse of drugs. That is facts

Streisand effect

no lmao

Quinton Tucker drugs are evil...fact

Where I'm from most of the city which is our capital is medicated and this was done because it's cheaper to medicate the people from bad areas than to police them

Brady Hartsfield Wouldn’t google just fucking buy pornhub if that happened? Hopefully pornhub wouldn’t be selling but it’s hard to turn down billions.

@@cameronmorse6689 I don't think they could offer enough money, pornhub makes enough money from the porn industry that Google would have to offer billions

Sylvester Stalin Oh yeah, I totally agree. This all hypothetical. It begs the question of what that number would be. Google is essentially a tech monopoly and KZfaq is their prized pony. I don’t doubt for a second they’d offer billions to protect their asset from being surpassed a competitor.

​@@cameronmorse6689 They're a tech giant, not a monopoly. That's a big difference. The cost of running and the total income have evened out just a few years back. Nobody is really sure if youtube is actually profitable yet. They're letting anyone upload gigabytes of content for free and only get paid for users viewing ads. That's why nobody has yet been able to compete with youtube. Vast majority of their income comes from ads. Ad companies have a say in what kind of content can and cannot monetized, and are able to straight up censor certain content. Companies having such an easy time making copyright claims on anything is a big part of this. Even Pornhub acknowledges that if they were to compete with KZfaq in non-adult content viewing (and inherently without porn ads), they'd have a very hard time staying profitable. Surprisingly, the biggest competition to KZfaq might be sites like Patereon. Content creators with merely 1000 patreon followers will easily make considerably more money than channels with 100 000 subscribers and no sponsors, while actually spending less time producing videos than those youtube channels (since they're not depending on views).

@Chris L you're speech it really unclear, your should try to reed yourself before posting thinks.

Jokes aside, it's impressive how he saw himself that way during the trip. The "being waterfall giving water to the people" image he saw is really profound (especially considering how much I value his videos, he's right). Maybe thats what fuels him to make these videos

@@paul_particularlyunhappynut I hope Michael starts a cult (sweetcorn cult? Birds aren't real cult?) I would sign up

@@hareecionelson5875 i understand the "birds aren't real" joke but what about sweetcorn? Anyways, he's a very smart man, I'm sure he can manipulate people into believing some dumb shit just like he did with the fake excorcism, with minimal difficulty

@@paul_particularlyunhappynut He occasionally posts pictures of him eating sweetcorn, it's a theme, but he doesn't explain why.

OPEN MIND I'm saying.

Hätte dich eigentlich unter diesen Videos nur erwarten müssen :D

ahaaaaaaaaaa simon also ein vsauce fan

Hast du eigentlich irgendein "Drogen Video" nicht kommentiert?

Habe jedes einzelne Drogenvideo auf KZfaq kommentiert ;)

Then his roommate turns on the blender!

I heard of a hippie having this happen to him before. lol

The fucked version is that he peeled himself

vinci vedi vici lex talionas shit’s all made up lol

Billy Bob Monroe i read this as he said it lmaoooooooooo

Ian Webb the video would probably get striked 🙄🙄

yes!

Plsss!!

Yes yes yes yes

PLEASE

That would be amazing

No thanks

Instead Dakota of earth

@@jclink11 both

why lol ?@@jclink11

Yeah but she fumbles on her words alot. Ethan does it a bit too.

Gotta be a dippy downer don'tcha?

+Seca Mrtva negative fucking Nancy. There doing just fine especially when trying to give voice to such abstract thoughts as those when talking about physchedelics.

her first language is hebrew, and does it really fucking matter? ethan has tourettes bro

im a very powerful hilakleiner and i support all life forms

This would be powerful.

Or seth from the drug classroom 👌

PLEASE

Y E S

Thats would be badass

Yeah he is such a douche when you really thunk about how he speaks in his podcasts etc. Someone needs to give him a thumbprint of lucy man

@Jesus is Dog : Gotta get on that crystalized L game

@Jesus is Dog : Yeah, I've only heard of that as an urban legend. It's my understanding that the stuff begins in crystalized form so it might exist somewhere.

"Everybody's evil, just dont measure it."

killercaos123 he said he hated every psychedelic experience he had, probably got too introspective for him, and considering his ego and treatment of people I’m not surprised

Talcom powder Anonymoose h

hahahaha yes

Did last year even happen?

**Spooky music plays**

The ayahuasca was recalling him 👁

Right the "did you try any other psychedelics before" one

idubbbz: "are you a tits man or an ass man?" Michael: "i...ask myself that everyday"

@@slick3996 I'd rather call it a creative answer than dodging.

@@diggie9598 both can be true

I think I spelled his name wrong.

You spelled both of their names wrong

Michael Dublanko 😂😂

Kromazone like a cool substitute

WarmBeans no like a legit person. I see a lot of people who do engages with both but mainly with ethan because he talks & asks the questions more, but I love how even though ethan is asking the questions, he speaks to both because we are all thinking the same & would ask the same questions also

Emotional intelligence

Kromazone yeah I picked up on that as well！

imagine being a shaman and taking ayahuasca everyday for a living...

Plus he takes it on a regular basis, so tolerance is high. The Shaman is immune to any vulnerability

Sdddude123 why

black & white why would his channel get taken down? Well, considering he's talking about illicit substances on a non-supportive platform, I'd say he'd be wise to watch his words.

black & white KZfaq has been striking down psychedelic friendly videos.

Absolutely

It's really sad to see my name being spelt wrong :(

Darkden84 I didn't know Ethan supported that guys channel. Definitely the channel I recommend to people who are just getting into psychedelics. You're so much less likely to have a bad trip if you know what you're getting yourself into a bit.

its funny how he brought up some facts psyched substance teaches in his videos

H3 should do a podcast with PsychedSubstances

Darkden84 i don't want to burst your bubble but im pretty sure it was confirmed it was a different Ethan Klein in the comments of one of his videos lol

B A S E D SBG SOLDIER you bursted my bible, do you know what video it was

"Something can be helpful, but symptoms of addiction to it are not okay and shouldnt be" Whats the problem?

@@Irondragon1945 If you go into it with the right mentality you can't get addicted

@@armorofgod777 i didnt want to say anything about that topic, i just dont understand what that lads issue with Ethan is.

@@Irondragon1945 Probably just Ethan's ego blabbering, it gets really annoying

@@armorofgod777 that might be true in a way. Hes not a professional.

Can't speak for LSD or DMT or Salvia, but psilocibe fruiting bodies cause measurable improvement in anxiety, depression, and dramatic increases in empathy and perceptions of connectedness. If you want to enjoy the medical benefits of any hallucinogen that would be the one I recommend you do further research on.

For many it actually helps with that

Sara Danhoff funny you say that but i did an eighth of psilocybin mushrooms and i wanted to kill myself. I felt like the most dirty piece of shit ever, and horrible anxiety. The only true way i could describe it would be torment by my own minds doing.

prone to anxiety at age of 9 damn

@@saradanhoff6539 not always, psylocybin can and absolutely does cause anxiety, increase in depression, and a lot of other things, even at relatively low doses, especially with pre-existing mental health issues, all of which can be long lasting after the effects of the chemical. please dont tell people that, its extremely reckless and there are people out there who will read your comment and take it as absolute truth. each individual person should be cautious and do as much research as possible themselves when performing any sort of psycho-nautical exploration, and we all have a responsibility to give information as truthfully and accurately as possible. please, please stop spreading that information. you could convince some one to really damage themselves in a serious way. for any one reading this who is considering experimenting with psychedelics safely and responsibly: know your family's medical history, including mental health and get a good therapist to do an evaluation on you. psychedelics can increase symptoms of schizoid illnesses, even if you don't have symptoms in your everyday life, psychedelics can bring out dormant issues. do as much research as you possibly can, make sure you are getting your product from a reliable, safe source. i would highly recommend dosing first with some one who is experienced and that you also trust. INCLUDING MUSHROOMS. All psychoactive chemicals have the potential for going in a rough, even scary direction, even at small doses, even if you are mentally sound, yes even thc. start with low doses to get used to what it feels like. if you feel like you're not ready or have a bad feeling, just dont do it. Erowid.org is a great resource to start. Now, I do believe that psychedelics have a lot of great benefits, but they should absolutely be respected and each person is responsible for their safety, likewise people who have experience or some knowledge are also responsible for shutting down misinformation that is potentially hazardous. Anyways, stay safe

Love a bit of the Beatles, I'm only sleeping.

What if it litteraily is dying

EvilisMe well, it is, in a sense

Warvell1 I meant what I said in a literal sense. You were *literally* dying while you were that high. In fact, you're *literally* dying right now. You've been dying since the moment you were conceived, and wether that scares you or not doesn't fall back on me.

It is being. It is being.

Auron Blade literally

That's all I use it for

As a Canadian, I can't even sign up for KZfaq Red, even if I want to. (I probably wouldn't pay for the full service.) but I still buy the episodes individually to watch them, because they're actually great content. I love the episodes where he gets personally involved and is the subject, mostly because his intellect and normal mental fortitude pose an interesting challenge to the various tests he undergoes, and also gives us, the audience, the benefit of probably the best explanation/description of their effects, since he's so naturally talented at explaining things.

I like money

it's a great bonus for getting google music

are they brothers?

Its like a wierd minecraft villiger noise :D

hi jh

Benlikesdamusic needs more likes. Psyched substance pls.

Yesssss

yessss

Retweet

Jose Lara thank god he isn’t watching this gong show

Definitely one of the wisest

spliced effect

Idk man

i tell you its jiff, and "white", but you still say Giff, and "h-white". differnt people have their own pronunciations whether or not a different input is given.

#6CBB3C it doesn't make it any less incorrect

Potato potatto

Psychedelics are medicine for the soul my friend, for some reason that doesn't seem to be a topic to be considered anymore. So happy for you, peace be with you and don't forget to let go!

safe travels brother! the finite experiencing the infinite!

Thanks for your service sir. Hope those experiences help yourself in your way towards enlightenment.

hahahah bro ig i understand!

I went to ayahuasca

Lol

*What aren't drugs?*

@@Subpar1224 Not much. Water... Rocks... scissors? Not papers lol

@@James-fe7wd im going to smoke a rock to prove you wrong

Ayahuasca isn't a drug it's a medicine

Fritz Franke he's daddy

Graham Hancock, Alan Watts, Manly P. Hall there's plenty of interesting people (Y) I also second Terence Mckenna

i love vsauce so much

Fritz Franke Try Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

ImmortalTrip1423 it's not so much the drug talk that's interesting, it's just that Michael is inherently talented at making *anything* interesting.

Chandler Brown or just with his dad . This dude also had some experience with psychedelics.

yes

Or both

definitely

on Psychedsubastance's patreon list of contributors it says Ethan Klein is one of the contributors but idk if its really h3h3 ethan. Id love to know that

What do you mean by pure?

Pure in the context they're using

When you take Ayahuasca a lot of people either throw up or shit their guts out and the shamans say its people purging evil spirits/negative energies out of their body.

Or he just didn't take enough of it.

interesting. I believe this happens when the consciousness tries to stay connected to the material world.

Mad facta

Yeah, it's called a panic attack

Wtf u talking bout

@@MrAshar101 All drugs do is alter the mind, and open up access to different parts of it. The experience is created by the mind. The drug is just a catalyst. Thus you can have a bad trip even without drugs, if your mind's ability to imagine creates that reality for you. If you still cant understand this, probably you're not mature enough yet to be experimenting with drugs

Well, a lot of psychedelics tend to enhance your perception of things, so, especially if you are a psychologically sensitive person, naturally you're going to have a considerable chance of catching a bad trip, and it probably wont be like any of the anxiety or panic attacks youve experienced before Otherwise there wouldnt be a need for sitters or shamans etc Im not an expert but pls dont spread bs excuses for drugs

one word: darknet, it's easier and safer than most people think

There are many psychedelic plant/fungi growing in virtually every country in the world, some of which are even sold at gardening centers (as decorative plants). If you really want to, it's not very hard to get your hands on psychedelic/psychoactive substances at all.

Pieter Dirksen Here in Texas, and basically in the southern US in general, it's pretty hard to get psychedelics. It doesn't rain often, and when it does we don't get too many psychoactive mushrooms. And I'm too worried I'll ID it wrong lol. And acid is hard to get on the street, but I'll never buy from a street dealer ever again. The dark net is amazing.

GhostyGhost7007 It's very good to be cautious with picking mushrooms. I only know a few edible, non psychoactive ones and would never eat something I'm not 100% sure about it's safe. The nice thing here is that there are only 1 or 2 deadly species, which are easy to identify. I'd never buy off the street either. Not sure about the legislation over there, but here (parts of) DMT/MAOI containing plants can be bought legally. LSA, Salvorine and Mescaline containing things as well. And if you look around, there's more ;). Extraction is typically illegal, but not always necessary. I realize that I'm lucky in the sense that I can buy practically everything I'm interested in legally, or at least the plant material/mycelium necessary to get it. Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting you, or anyone should try any of these substances, just that it might not be necessary to buy things from drug dealers/illegally. If you do insist on taking any substance, do your own research!

wrong

*_Placebo_*

Irondragon1945 xanax or somthing like that is a trip killer

@@21stbrad yeah benzodiazapines

@@Irondragon1945 no, benzodiazepines (xanax and Valium for example) can overpower almost all other drugs, even meth. If your trip gets too challenging ist reccomended to just dose enough benzos to basically pass out or at least be heavily sedated.

@@gionatavassena801 hey, that's actually a decent explanation. Thanks for the insight!

That's what you do when you talk?

@@SeanHellOMG There's a difference between a talking voice and a narrating voice.

@@kalechips5972 You must be pretty boring to talk to.

@@SeanHellOMG no, just when I talk I don't sound like I'm reading a book...

Its called well spoken my guy

Druid I’m pretty sure Ethan’s on his Patreon lol

It's not him

being close minded about psychedelics is for pussies who cant handle the reality of new experiences

Is it progressive or is it just rational? I guess it's both in today's society.

realcygnus how does it feel? I know it's hard to explain but, do you relive past memories? Is it like dreaming?

Aaron 102 depends on what u take but no u don’t relive anything

I took psychedelics once and it changed my life. I did a lot of research though and went in during the right mindset and environment. Which is something A LOT of people overlook. They don't understand how important those factors are. I ended up way more appreciative and open minded to my surroundings and peers.

Aaron 102 Depends on the drug. I've had nothing but good experiences with LSD. You feel very drawn into the moment, far away from from your day to day life. You notice things is far greater detail than usual. If you look at a still image such as a painting or an album cover, you will instantly spot a sort of deeper meaning to it (even if there isn't really intended to be one). I've also taken 2CE which is a different beast entirely. On this drug I ended up completely out of my mind. I remember walking down the road and feeling like I was constantly passing the same lamp-post, stuck in a loop. The billboard 100 meters down the road looked as if it was right in front of me. When I closed my eyes I saw detailed images of eyeballs and snakes. Problem with this drug I found was that some of the effects took months to fully ware off, which was concerning. For that reason I recommend steering clear of this particular drug. And lastly I've taken Salvia Divinorum. This was by far the most powerful hallucinogen I've taken. This one I can't even begin to describe properly, but I'll try anyway. The moment it hit me I was convinced that the world didn't exist. Hell, I couldn't even remember what the world was. The room I was in became twisted. As it started to come down someone tried to convince me that the world was real, and for a little while I was convinced that only the side of the room that they where on was real. It was totally unreal, though it lasts only about a minute.

DMT was the most beautiful thing i have ever experienced in my life i havent broke through yet but ima keep trying

Meischel 5 it's a fucking drug, not a God. Why do people always glorify drugs?

no it open spiritual doors to demonic entities

​@@eriofmyire In the case of psychedelics, because they are THAT powerful of an experience. It's hard to believe that such vivid experiences and spiritual/transcendent journeys are caused by an innert substance. In many cases you actually FEEL an entity or deity of abstract nature during the trip. It's not easy to explain but it makes perfect sense to think about these substances as something more than just substances. Think about how a plane ticket is just a piece of paper that grants you access to a floating hunk of metal, and yet your self-discovery or a radical change in life might be right ahead of you, thanks to that lifeless piece of paper. Even very scientific minded individuals tend to think in terms of "the substance offered me this or that, or wanted this and that for me", while knowing fully during the process that the scientific reality is just a neurotransmitter soup in their heads. As a final argument, there is the theory that many religious sightings have had their origins on unsuspecting use of psychedelics. The fungus that infects rye is where LSD is refined from. If a devote christian person in long past times ate rye bread in a bad state, and thus ingested a significant amount of alkaloids, the ensuing experience could hardly be interpreted as anything else that something divine or supernatural. Furthermore, any person with previous psychedelic experience can probably attest that the actual appearance attributed to angels in the Bible is something one could see on DMT or very heavy doses of LSD. (I am not saying religion is a product of intoxication, I believe its more something inherent in conscious intelligent life)

dumbass@@eriofmyire