See my comment above . Agree or not .

It's a misconception that vulcans have or claim to have no emotion. If you actually watch any of the shows, you'll figure out that Vulcans just suppress their emotions in favor of logic.

@IdleBigots and the romulans, on the other hand, went the complete other route, ending most of them up as paranoid, Machiavellian, bipolar jackasses. At least, the ones that lead and represent them. Looking at you, Mendak.

HAWKINS: _May I ask you a question? How is it possible that this crew could turn so violent, when Vulcans aren't supposed to have emotions._ T'POL: _A common misconception. We have emotions. We simply keep them suppressed, under control. Something has obviously caused them to lose that control._ -- ENT S03E05

Despite having no emotion or controlling them, Volcan's seem to enjoy dry humor with how sarcastic they act.

I think Tuvok is underrated in a show that was accurated :P

Underrated. Overrated. Etc.

Tim was great but Voyager was way too uneven of a show. I think after DS9 my taste for adventure-of-the-week type shows faded. I wanted very long story arcs and the Dominion War in DS9 allowed for strong continuity of plot lines.

Tuvok yes, Voyager no

Tim Russ was excellent, vulkans are always great additions to the show. There should be multiple vulkans in the each of the shows, they are founding members of starfleet, and logic would dictate that one race(humans) should not carry the burden of fighting alone.(and yes I am cognizant of over use of vulkans, and the budgeting and time constraints of a show) but would it have not been so wizard to see a vulkan temper and sparr with Capt. Sisko????

Tuvok had children of his own. Surely he would have known this wasn't going to work.

@@phil9947 I don't know... Vulcan children probably don't behave the same as other children do.

You do remember the payoff of this episode?

And then he contemplated if a phase set to stun would be lethal to small children.

LOL! Definitely good for one's "Small-talk" repertoire

So stoic... So Vulcan!

I think the Doctor was the comic relief. Not only this... He is also the funniest Star Trek character ever, in my opinion.

I think Neelix's comic relief dynamic was a smokescreen. He was, in fact, a pretty dark character, but the darkness came from his circumstances and his inadequacy to them. I think that's why the character is in fact so hated. Neelix is the fear of mediocrity. The easiest form of denial is to externalize that insecurity.

I like Tuvok because he can be hilarious without having to put the joke right out there..... the best comedian is one who can do dry humor

Mine too. Great casting choice.

He was the most irrational and ill-written for of all the Vulcan characters.

I think I like Tuvok, T'Pol and Spock the same (I'm counting Spock as a Vulcan, althgough he is a half-Vulcan).

@@atanvardo5730 Awesome Atanvardo.

@@LucisFerre1 Have you seen Nu-Trek Vulcans?

Harry and Kim episodes were great too, Janeway wasn't bad. Neelix was uhh

Tuvok was great but he wasn’t always “not emotional”.

Not that bad ??? Voyager is my favorite!

Neelix had his moments too, especially when he was confronting his own mortality and the meaning of family.

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"He would logically acknowledge the unpleasantness of the situation(Exactly I.e. any fear response, but without letting the fear and other negative emotions take control.), calmly accept that he may not survive the encounter and then tackle the challenge ahead" I aspire to be like this. Sometimes I am able to fully keep my emotions under control and other times I fail to do so. I still have a lot of room for improvement.

A Vulcan would kick Jason's ass!! Simple as.

@@jwrobin21 Correct, a Vulcan would "out-think" Jason...

@@jrag1000 Vulcans are extremely strong and very well trained fighters. Methings it would be Jason who would consider it wiser to retreat, pronto.

@@dannytourigny9403 That's a nice but weird crossover. How about a not-so-weird one? What if a Vulcan met a Predator? Or even better, what if a Klingon met a Predator?

Except that it's not true. It would be great if in real life you could reason your kids' emotional outbursts away, but the fact is they aren't physiologically capable of being reasonable.

@@WalterLiddy You still try to teach them, however.

@@WalterLiddy We require both. A balance between "emotion" and "reason".

For us yes, it keeps our brazenness and aggressiveness in check and prevents us from taking unnecessary risks. But Vulcans already have that under control, they can respond to danger better by approaching it as a problem to be solved rather than letting their fear put them into a fight or flight response.

Life without emotions and illogical behaviour is dull, boring and cold. I fear death because I enjoy life.

fear is not required for survival. also, aussie harry, he corrected them a couple times in this clip, its not that the have no emotions, but that they control them.

Jonsin 1459 So if a group of knuckleheaded punks with the worst intentions surprise and surround you, you're going to give an "evolved" response?

Voileen Yes, that is correct. Fear has very much a place in human existence. I remember in an episode of TNG, Worf told someone who was speaking to him at the time, "Only fools have no fear." And he is absolutely right. But in saying that, what object of that fear is and how one responds to it is the issue. A lot of times we have fear over much of nothing at all, ends up being misdirected.

The fear was keeping them in line up until that point :P

Poop proof that Vulcans do have emotions. I didn't realize until this episode the paradox that Vulcans portray to others. On the one hand, they do admit at times that they have emotions and just suppress them, others they claim not to lie, then here he says he doesn't fee any fear. To be fair, Spock showed a fair share of emotion and humor, which can be attributed to his human half. But then, if pure Vulcans didn't have emotion, then what would the point of kolinahr?

he specifically corrected the children when they asserted what you just did. he emphasized that they CONTROL their emotions. at 1:21 he explains that the goal is to "detach yourself from your emotional responses and become closer to controlling them" the girl then asks "do you live your whole life without feeling anything" and he answers with "more accurately, we strive to control our feelings." its always been portrayed as this since the original series. Vulcans slip up occasionally and reveal their feelings.

Kids will be kids.

Seems no matter the race, all adults have a "Damnit, kids!" emotional button that can be pushed.

Too late

2020 needs Vulcan scientific rigor

Our politicians and spiritual leaders, etc. could use some Vulcan logic.

HAHAHAHA! Wow. Well there's one way to deal with children. :P

@@Seetiyan It's better than dosing them with Schnapps! Which is effective!

It was almost a paralell to Alzheimer's, which my mother had. Despite being 83 years old when she passed, her last few years she'd act like a child. Easily frustrated, quickly soothed by the most random thing. It's a terrible disease, and like Tressa, at points reality would flash her to the present, this episode really showed the lack of control anyone who suffers from this ailment has.

Vulcans were based of the English?

Vulcans are INTENSELY emotional; look up Picard's mind meld with Sarek for a great example. They built their entire culture around emotional control BECAUSE their emotions are incredibly powerful.

Wish it could help me with My Anxiety but sadly you can't really outwit it,...*Sigh* Man,I'd to see a Vulcan with OCD! : ( : P

@@hglorianne Yeah, well handling common anxieties or fears is much different than dealing with OCD/anxiety disorders.

Not for Vulcans. Vulcan emotions are far more extreme than human emotions. They can't give into their fear just enough to let it inform them without being completely controlled by it. Vulcan fear is too volatile to be useful. It nearly made their race go extinct before Surak taught them to suppress it.

@@AbandonedVoid He's not talking about, nor to, Vulcans. Hence your point is completely invalid …also, I don't think it's valid for Vulcans either: Even controlled and suppressed as they are, they still feel their feelings, and are therefore fully informed by them, thus making them able to be guided by them. However much they try not to, they can never become void of feelings …and it would be utterly foolish to be, anyway. Without feelings, one becomes a mere robot, without any motivation or reason to do anything. Doing ones best not to be controlled/ruled by ones emotions is (Vulcan or not) quite sensible, of course, but… Trying to be without feeling, is utterly illogical and foolish, in every way, shape, or form.

@@ZarlanTheGreen Emotions don't really inform you about anything, either, even as a human. I was trying to be charitable about refuting your point but you're just completely wrong. Emotions aren't rational. They don't tell us anything. They mostly obfuscate our capacity for reason. Reason does everything that fear can and better. There's a reason that fear was considered a form of passion by the ancient Stoics. It is reasonable to be cautious about potential threats but it is completely unreasonable to be guided by unreasonable emotion. You have somehow confused yourself so thoroughly that you call sagacity foolishness and foolishness a "good thing." You don't even know what "foolishness" means. Perhaps it's because you're quick to justify emotional reasoning that you're so irrational.

@@AbandonedVoid I notice that you utterly failed to even _address_ my arguments, much less even venture to _attempt_ to give any contrary argument/evidence. All you do, is to make baseless claims, and make a pathetic argument from authority. You refuse to engage in logic and reason, and just try to insist on your position anyway. In other words, one can only come to the conclusion that you are, in your response, being purely emotional, and utterly void of reason. (Also, your argument from authority is quite pathetic, with you only being able to point to someone from Ancient Greece, where they were very ignorant compared to today their philosophy was relatively primitive, compared to today, as well)

Like Benjamin Button.

What.

Bella Donna his children are proper, well behaved Vulcans. They don't fuck around with dangerous equipment

I was saying that vulcan children aren't born well behaved they have to be trained and it doesn't just take a few years so the point was he should have known they would listen to him at first.

I was playing around. I'm not certain how much they misbehave, although Vulcan children did bully Spock as a child, indicating they are like typical humanoid children. I did like watching him playing a parental role in this episode

Bella Donna you’re thinking from a very human standpoint. I as a fellow human of course completely see where you’re coming from but you’re being very closed minded. You think everyone has to feel and think like you. The Vulcan way has clearly worked on his planet for centuries. And with over 150 planets in the federation alone, I’m sure there would be a few where the Vulcan way would actually work AND be beneficial.

I was listening to this podcast, and they hypothesized that the aliens physical form was a representation of their mental form. (Which is why, despite hating technology, they didn’t hate the Doctor).

Oakey Dokey

Yeah he was. And the main character in Smart Guy and the voice of Wade in Kim Possible!

They learn from a young age but we see them only as adults that is why its seems as you put it "natural". Vulcans strive to control emotions because of how powerfully they can effect them. Most seen by looking at those who fly under the raptors wings aka the romulans.

Yeah: creativity is for LOSERS!

lolol whatt thank you.

2x22 - Innocence

Broockle Exactly. And so it should. Google SENS research foundation and transhumanism.

Broockle Not true in the slightest, I know plenty of people who believe in nothing and yet they don't fear death.

fearing that wich is inevitable and natural at the same time is illogical

They don't fear death because independently of what comes after it and how, fearing it wouldn't do anything about it and is thus ilogical to waste any time thinking about it.

The Vulcan essence, or Katra, is a tangible life after death. As that is so, they needn't fear death. They may simply move their Katra from body to body.