Matt, the reason why it’s faster is not because you’re comparing 7 ratios to 6, it’s because every time you manually change gear there is 0 acceleration on your car for a lot longer than on the auto. DSG is 0.1 seconds or less, human is maybe 0.7. Change 4 gears and DSG has lost 0.4 seconds of full throttle, human has lost 2.8 seconds

Jumps start by 1 second : "My launch was epic!"

That golf has an interesting colour doesn't it. Wow!

So much wrong with your testing, first of all, you need to have the same car so two Golf Rs one with a manual and another with an Auto. Second, you need to turn off the traction control as it is the main cause for the bog you are talking about between 1st and 2nd gear shifts. Third, you need to powershift or no lift shift to keep up with an Automatic especially in a Turbo car as all the boost is lost between shifts if you let off the throttle. Redo your test and you will see that the difference is going to be negligible with a slight edge to Automatic but not as large as you make it seem.

Audi S3 and Rs3 are best in their classes, they're like little rockets

I may be slow by 0.7 seconds but I’m in control and the fun you enjoy by rowing through those gears now that’s pure pleasure, which no automatic, DSG or DCT or any computerized shift can ever satisfy you.

I've driven this Golf R (DSG) for the past 2 years. The launch control gets you all giddy and I love it. But all things considered I would have preferred the manual. The reason is that there's tremendous throttle lag no matter what gear or rpm you're at. Obviously in higher rpms it lags less but it's still a buzzkill. I miss the instant throttle response of a manual in skilled hands.

Manual is great....Very good............if you are not in city traffic.

I Love how Matt starts 1 second before and says: " I´ve got a good start there"...

The _AUDI_S3_ Stole the show like a boss.

The reason for the DSG pulling more is due to continuous boost pressure. The turbo recirculation path is opened and closed by either an electrical connection from the engine management to a solenoid that is mounted on the turbocharger housing, or by the vacuum created in the intake manifold. As you accelerate, the turbo charger vanes are spinning and boost pressure is increased; literally blowing air into the engine cylinders. Then, when you change gear, you take your foot off of the accelerator and the throttle valve to the engine closes. The problem here is that, during this process, the turbo is still spinning and the boost pressure it is producing has nowhere to go. This is a bit like putting your hand over a hairdryer, so that the air cannot get out. What happens at this point is that the turbo begins to stall - the spinning vanes slow down and the boost pressure drops. When you open the throttle valve again by pushing down on the accelerator (demanding more power), the turbo has lost its momentum and boost pressure, therefore causing a pause or a 'lag', before the engine is producing the required power once again. This problem is helped by fitting a manual car with a diverter valve.

VW, make a Golf RS with a 5 cylinder! Or will there be too many Golf variants? EDIT!!(September 2018) VW GOLF are now making a R420 with Inline 5!!!!

Have GOT to turn off the traction control on the vw for heavy acceleration. Going from 1->2 with the traction control on causes that heavy dipping of the front end during the shift, if you keep it off then the car doesn't apply brakes and dip engine power to keep the tires from patching out. Citing personal experience with 5spd mk4 and a 6spd mk6 gti and a 6spd b6 passat. The gearing on the manual in 2nd allows more speed than the dsg also, which helps combat the faster shifting of the dsg as well. I call a redo.

I think that the main difference apart from the gear ratios is that the DSG sport mode does a good job at keeping the engine at its peak performance range by shifting where the engine will be at its optimal RPM.

The manual also has the problem of more turbo lag when you lift off to select a different gear, while the auto keeps at full boost

I am an Audi guy,but i think vw golf r is more beautiful than the S3

In the S3 and I'm pretty sure it's the same for the Golf too, the DSG gearbox is offered with about 14bhp more (296bhp vs 310bhp), so it can never be a fair test without some ecu tweaking.

Carwow makes a video about the differences of a dual clutch automatic gearbox and a manual one and even states the r is just as quick when equipped with dsg. Still half of the comments are about audi being "better". What's the point of that??

Just ordered myself a m140i manual. Idc about 0-60mph times, I just want some analog fun... Shifting gears is just so much more fun!

It's a shame these days that driver experience and outright fun seems to be less important than getting to 60mph a fraction of a second quicker.

during the downshift at the rolling start you could see the engine rpm where not high enough. it's better to go on the clutch and immediately mash the throttle down. when you then get into gear your rpm's will be higher (possibly at the rev limit) than needed and you actually get a push instead of a braking effect.

Loving the dsg in my golf r, don't miss changing gear in real world stop start traffic at all and for the little blasts on country road I'm too busy having fun with the paddle shifts to want a clutch

Having just bought my first modern auto car from VAG group I can confirm humans can’t change gear or get off the line as fast as the 7 speed auto

The DSG Golf R is such a bargain for what you get. Love mine!

Fantastic informative and most importantly fun videos guys keep it up!

Been a carwow sub since the start and watched your videos way before that !! currently sat on the sofa waiting for my 2018 Tiguan to arrive :) your review swayed me. keep up the videos !! :)

The auto all the way! I have the DSG 7R and it’s incredible

Lovely weather over there!

Why you are not making S63 /////AMG v/s M760 Li 😣 ???

Great reactime... As soon as hands start to move, he launches.... 🤙

The new 7-DSG in the S3 facelift/7.5R makes a big difference, mine literally slingshots off the line (slows down after lol). But yeah could you guys at least do the video with the same car next time? They’re similar but not ‘exactly’ the same.

It’s the transmission A 7 speed auto vs a 6 speed manual The golf got a good launch but when it shifted the Audi jumped ahead

Funny how s3 automatic shifter looks more manual than the golf's shifter

Nice comparison. Didn’t expect that much difference though

Good Morning! I like your videos very much ... This comparative of Cambio manual vs DSG automatico very good !!! At the start the DSG leaves behind the manual change ... Could you test on a race track to see which one is the fastest? Thank you!!! I await your response ... Congratulations on the channel

Videos like this are amazing

In the rolling race, you should have been waiting in the 3rd gear, rather than down shifting from 5th, because it caused to lose time a bit, against a very fast dual clutch gearbox, since it does down shifting much more faster than a human power :)

Despiste being slower I sold a dsg for buying a manual. You really feel the car, engine and always do what you really want to do.

1:15 no, you just jumped the start

I’ve ordered a Golf R with DSG. I always considered it less pretty to the Audi S3 until I saw this vid. That S3 isn’t the most beautiful of the range I’ve ever seen!

The clutch plate and gear shift sets you back with an auto there's no slowing down, but I bet if you tried racing a high performance manual with a powerful engine and a faster hydraulic clutch system with instant response with controlled pressure not so it completely slows down but who can make the perfect mechanism to work simultaneously with the flow of your movement..

The fact that the TC was on in the R and off in the Audi(I'm sure you can't use launch if it's on) shows why it bogs when putting in down off the line

Both the cars look ultra smart

Good comparison (between two otherwise identical cars...) and goes to show if you guys used the DSG golf R in your big super hatch comparison the result would have been very different.

Odd question but what brand is matt's jumper?

When the Dual Clutch Auto discussion comes up with my friends I often remind them of the fact that the manual goes off boost and has to go on boost with every change and then there is the time of the shift itself and the ratio between 1st and 2nd is quite wide on most cars, making this worse. A manual GTI launches quite well in the dry, as you can induce some wheelspin and sidestep bogging down. I think the 7th ratio on the Dual Clutch is tall for economy and refinement and that top speed might be achieved in 6th, but I'm not sure. If so, then the ratios might not be closer.

Why not use the same cars in dsg and manual

The S3 had a little delayed launch because in launch control, for some reason when you let go of the brake, it still holds the car for another 1/4 of a second before it launches. My best friend has an S3 and I've launched it many times and every time it has done that.

So... R DSG vs S3 DSG should be same. Same engine, same platform, same gearbox, pretty similar weight.

Why Golf Vs S3? Why not Golf vs Golf? I noticed the traction control light flashing on the Golf which explains why it "bogged down" from 2nd -3rd.....but not why the S3 pull ahead even at higher speeds. Be interested to dyno the two cars!

I don't even think the manual is more fun any more than the DSG auto with the paddle shifters. Plus the paddle shifters make it much faster than the manual.

The mk2 TTs with a stage one REVO and induction kit will hit 60 in 3.7 secs.BHP is about 330BHP.Engine torque is about 453NM or Buying second hand is best.

Which hatchback is the most comfortable of them all ? No noise inside at high speeds and perfect suspension.

Automatics always win races hahaa xD I troll people with my tsi dsg haha 😂 "automatics are slow too much power loss" hold my beer

Drag race in the rain. How British. I like this channel

Suspect software is limiting boost or throttle when you're launching the golf.

Would like to have seen a Golf R Manual and Auto

Nice weather you've chosen for a drag race

Can't go wrong with an Automatic. VW DSG of course. Paddle Shift if you really want to use manual for something

I don't care if the Audi is faster. It's ugly and the Golf looks way better. And the shade of blue on the Golf is just beautiful!! Not to forget the manual is more fun. I'll take the VW, thank you very much.

Please ensure you use the DSG Golf R in all future drag races against other marques. All of the races in which you used the manual R would have seen different results...Obviously, in this case it was for a specific reason but, if it's up against the Focus RS for example, spec it appropriately. Although there's nothing wrong with the manual Golf R, it's widely accepted that the DSG option is more in keeping with the car's dual nature and therefore the better choice when comparing it against it's rivals (also in their natural spec). I'd say that the manual on an R would be the option for a driver looking for a more involving drive - most people who buy Golf Rs, according to sales figures, are not in this category. I have DSG on my Golf R hearse and don't miss manual at all.

Dsg prevents the boost to fall away right?

The manual Golf R is down on torque compared to the DSG and S3. 280lb ft in the manual but 295 lb ft if it’s a DSG. So in the race it’s actually slightly down on pulling power too....

VW DSG was revised in 2017 from a 6 speed to 7. The new VW GTD have this which I will be getting :)

What about on the motorway? Are the DSG 7 speed closer ratio than the manual 6? Or does 7th gear give you lower revs at motorway speed?

You can't call the VAG group dsg gearbox an auto.its way beyond that. It's the only thing that is quicker than a decent driver in a manual

They all Fun to drive if you know how to drive. Manual is more fun but in big cities is Not. Automatic is more luxurious and comfortable in big cities where too much traffic and crowded streets. Automatic cars have become much better in terms of speed and comfort. Sooner or later in 2030 automatic vehicles will be compulsory in the Markets.

Mat, come on mate! Turn the traction control off in the Golf R. Of course the Audi will walk away, when it’s in launch control the traction control is off and not cutting the power. Watch your footage you will see the TC light fighting you in the Golf R.

The RS3 vs Golf R should be next..

DSG will always be quickest. Manual is strictly for fun nowadays

He should of stayed in 3rd not drop to 3rd. The revs only just adjust before trying to go back up again while that’s not the case on the auto. And do this test again. Do a manual s3 auto golf r. I’m sure Audi will win anyway but it’ll make it conclusive. Also the the first race was too much traction loss. It’d be closer. I’m not a golf fan either so I’m not being biased.

Manual > DSG

Matt would it be possible to do a dsg vs manual without the launch control, I don't know what difference it would have but it could be interesting...

You should have compare two of same model cars, one with manual shift, one automatic.

The Golf is a great looking all rounder. Audi is a quality bit of kit hard one. Great reviews 👍🏼

The Roads are soaking wet, the Audi has better traction that’s it, the DSG will always do it better than the manual no matter how fast you can go up through a manual box...😉

Renault Megan Renaultsport review please 🙏

In Denmark a mid-range Golf 1.5 TSi costs the same as a fully loaded Golf R in the UK :-(

I can tell you what’s more fun then rowing gears..........Winning. DSG FTW. 👍

Which better for automatic and manual gearbox?

In a real life if automatic has a one small problem you are done. A manual will go on even with broken shifts etc... My car on a trip had broken 3 and 4. I managed make 700 km to home

Drove a dsg it’s fantastically horrible ! Manual all the way you’ve got the power in the gears you can’t just go wrong with enjoying the gear changing and feeling the car move it’s awesome !

Manual gear boxes are obsolete modern auto gear boxes are an absolute delight to drive

Why don't you compare a Golf to a Golf/S3 to an S3, so it's fair.

Autos are quicker and Manuals are faster. Just look at the 991.2 GT3. The 7spd PDK launches to 100 in 3.4s while the 6spd manny is 3.9s. But the top speed for the PDK is 198mph while the manual is 199mph. And the 911 PDK weighs 1430kg while the manual weighs 1413kg.

Having owned both cars the golf r or s3 in manual is terrible, you cannot launch them as they bog down And cut the power this is why every drag race on this channel with other cars and a manual golf r it always comes last, it’s also really slow when drag racing the same cars manual vs dsg feels like the dsg got an 50 extra bhp , after having a race with my mates stock dsg golf r and my manual golf r he was always 3-4. cars in front in the end I got fed up of the manual and after a few weeks traded it in for a dsg one , the dsg also gives you the pops and bangs on upshift and some downshifts unlike the manual which has hardly any real noise, don’t get me wrong I’m not a auto fan but some cars are better in a manual and some in a auto , like my previous car the mk5 golf r32 was better in manual and so was my E46 m3 , but these golf r or s3 are ruined by manual gearboxes

To measure the auto vs manual, both cars need to be same model, my point of view even the golf r had auto s3 still would be the winner.

The only benefit to manual is that you get to play with more pedals and another lever. That is it. There are no practical benefits. If you want engagement, get paddles - it will shift faster and you can revert to auto at any time. Manual transmission is going the way of manual starter and so it should. And in a few years the gearbox itself is going away too with electric cars not needing any.

1st gear full throtle in red zone and left cluch... Its 4motion... You will fell real acceleration... With start on 3000-4000rpm on manual transmision you just suffocate engine... 1st reson your turbo lost max pressure before 3000rpm... Your engine on 3000-4000rpm have 180-220 hp, not 310... So next time with manual and awd full power, tc off, fun started...

It always bothered me that when doing a drag race, a manual Golf R is always selected. The point of the race is to WIN! No one is buying a manual to win drag races these days. My comment is in regards to the hot hatch drag race test.

It common sense at this point quick auto are fater , they shift faster the programming choses when to shift better than you when it comes to getting off the line and they can have more gears for quicker ratios

Matt when you are asked wether to choose manual or auto. Make your mind up and then stick with it. Your reply in this video didn’t tell me anything new about the car or yourself.

Those auto audis with launch control as fast as all hell. It's just unfair to test manuals against automatic these days, the automatics are just too good.

It’s all part of the plan. Some tuna green might bring up VW. Besides once you go to a turbo car auto trans computer control keeps that boost in sweet spot.

The auto is the better drive for comfort and for speed. The manual is the more fun to drive if you are into it... Aren't we driving cars to have fun anymore? Especially GTI/RS/R versions?

S3 has more power, there is no other explanations. I've seen in your channel an automatic s3 beat an automatic golf r...

If you want to see the difference between manual and auto VW have a 6-speed auto version of the R.

Will you make a video where the Golf R isn’t shat on by all other hot hatches 😂. Maybe using the DSG instead.

For those who say the Audi is just a better car, remember that the manual in the VW means your changing gears almost a second slower than the automatic dual clutch in the Audi. It would’ve been a better comparison to have the golf R in the dual clutch automatic variant as well.

purple golf, damn I fucking love it.