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VW Volkswagen ID.4 8 months later range and efficiency review in real-world use. Software OK now?

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RSymons RSEV

2 жыл бұрын

#vw #id.4 #range
We’ve driven the ID4 before and liked it, but here’s a day with it again to test the real-world range and efficiency plus to check if the software bugs I experienced before have now been resolved.
And does wireless apple car play now work?
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@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
Near the end I say we get Model Y beg of 2023 🤦‍♂️. I mean 2022! Jan/Feb hopefully….
@kanodelta
@kanodelta 2 жыл бұрын
You also said back at base with the ID3 but we knew what you meant 😂
@scottwills4698
@scottwills4698 2 жыл бұрын
It will probably be 2023 🙊
@virtualmartijn
@virtualmartijn 2 жыл бұрын
Got confused at the end of the vid (09:00 mark): efficiency is not related to battery size. It's nice that it all sort of ends up at 400 kilometers for the Id4 and the Tesla MY but to get there you would need to charge more into the ID4 (and certainly into the EV6 as we're seeing from Teslabjorn's video's). Kind of when a car running 1:20 with a 50 liter tank gets as far as a car running 1:10 with a 100 liter tank. The second one is going to be significantly more expensive to run.
@marknewman6037
@marknewman6037 2 жыл бұрын
After this video decided to get the ID4, went to VW dealer in Gloucester on 20th December, told them I wanted a ID4 Max in white, they saw one on the computer, it shipped out from Germany on 23rd December, arrived on the 5th, and I take delivery on Monday 10th January.............great service. Good to see its cheaper to insure than my Touareg.
@PedroBrandaodrums
@PedroBrandaodrums 2 жыл бұрын
I’m very happy with my ID.4 here in the USA bought in Sep 2021. Car is quiet, spacious, comfortable great for road trips.
@jonathansmith5850
@jonathansmith5850 2 жыл бұрын
Quite impressive. Glad VW have fixed the ‘bugs’ as that was a bug bear with so many videos I saw about the ID series
@jonathantaylor1998
@jonathantaylor1998 2 жыл бұрын
Fab video, as always, Richard - great to watch 😎
@dposborn70
@dposborn70 Жыл бұрын
i picked up my 71 plate 1st addition yesterday and travled 226 miles from Harrogate to london, stayed between 60-65 mph on the motorways. Left on 96% battery. on arrival i still had 106 miles left on the battery! Charged back upto 100% (55.5 kWh added) and was showing a reang of 308 miles. Outside temp was around 20 degrees.
@thomassoderqvist4666
@thomassoderqvist4666 2 жыл бұрын
Good video as always. Thanks!
@3xLau
@3xLau 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for good video as always. I can see that Id.4 has not got the latest firmware (2.3) yet, after it gets even better. And after 3.0 for the spring, the debt will never end ;-)
@ranualfhunter1869
@ranualfhunter1869 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, this is what us buyers like to see- real world stuff, not on a track. keep up the great work. We take delivery of our Kona 64kw today, it will be great, and no home charger(no drive) and the cost of getting one out weighs the simplicity of just plug n go like Richard does.
@peterwiseman
@peterwiseman 2 жыл бұрын
Well done, insightful content
@vizik8
@vizik8 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Don't know why UK has all the latest RHD EV, but not in HK here.
@scottwills4698
@scottwills4698 2 жыл бұрын
VW have promised cold weather range and charging improvements from software V3 (installed from the factory from December, OTA update on existing cars early 2022) there is new trim and equipment from December too.
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting mate
@chrisrowe22
@chrisrowe22 2 жыл бұрын
It will be interesting to see the effect of this weeks colder weather on the ranges of the various cars.
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
It’s going to be an epic group test !
@id.4evker628
@id.4evker628 2 жыл бұрын
30 percent less in winter.
@jonathantaylor1998
@jonathantaylor1998 2 жыл бұрын
Colder weather affects all types of cars - ICE powered as well as EVs. My previous car - a Prius - would happily do 60-65mpg in summer, then drop to 45-48mpg in winter. It's just you 'notice' it more in an EV because you have the GOM predicted range display on the dash, rather than noticing you're filling up with petrol / diesel more often in an ICE car....!
@JK-NOT-JK
@JK-NOT-JK 2 жыл бұрын
Currently on week 3 with an iD4 courtesy car. It's a 2021 Pro model with the 77kw battery. Cons: - Range is shocking and I’ve only averaged 2kw/mile in last 6 hours driving; which is an effective range of 140 - 150 miles! It's chilly and I'm being quite heavy footed to try and gauge a worst case value, but still, that’s unacceptable. Local country driving, no motorways. - The software / user interface is very, very, very laggy. It’s horrible. - The always “on” lane assist is crap. If I turn it off, I'd like it to stay off! - The display / multi-media user interface design is terrible. So bad I’ll probably never get used to the heating [lack of] controls. - At night it’s not possible to adjust the heating because the sliders do no illuminate and I don't want to use a voice assistant. (And passengers can't access the voice assistant button.) - Haptic buttons are terrible. - It’s not possible to see the controls near my right knee when driving (heated screen etc). - It's not quick once you've gone past 20 mph. - Speaker / sound quality is just average. - Odd electrical gremlins. - Some cheap plastics; especially the center of the dash near the windscreen which produces lots of reflections. - My first public charging experience was a disaster. Not VW’s fault. But getting an app, setting up an account, adding a credit card, pre paying to the account, and then the PodPoint charger wouldn’t release the cable once charged! Pros: - Ride is good at regular speeds. - A quiet drivetrain is great for local journeys. - Build quality seems fine. - Heated steering wheel is great. - Good rear legroom. Conclusion: The "cons" are sufficient to put me off wanting an electric VW car given it's only viable for local journeys. So, way too many compromises given the price of the car. I'm now contemplating cancelling my Model Y order.
@neilbutler8411
@neilbutler8411 2 жыл бұрын
Any plans for q4 etron content/review?
@pam00088
@pam00088 2 жыл бұрын
As a Harpenden resident I am curious why you stopped at Toddington atfer pick up - was there another stop to make or was this a strategic charging stop that was worth doing even though you were heading the wrong way to get there? Looking at Zapmap, this general area looks to be very thin on public chargers.
@AFXGuru
@AFXGuru 2 жыл бұрын
I do like your channel and you are an excellent presenter (in addition to running your company). I'm about to order my first EV - Choices Choices Choices... Audi Q4, ID4 or wait for ID5???? Hyundai or Kia?!?!? I've been an Audi Driver for 20 years currently driving an A5 Sportback so was leaning towards the Q4 but I don't like my wife's Q5 that much. I worry about Tesla build quality and what I've heard not great post-sale service whereas with Audi - you get exceptional customer service after you buy a vehicle. Decisions Decisions. Great Channel again - keep up the fantastic work.
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for kind words. Big group test being filmed tomorrow: ID4, ev6, Tesla 3(in lieu of Y), ioniq5, mustang
@SDK2006b
@SDK2006b 2 жыл бұрын
The Q4 Sportback e-tron looks nice. It’s basically an ID4 with a better interior and actual buttons for key functions. Or, the BMW i4 is another option.
@bigbullstony43
@bigbullstony43 2 жыл бұрын
Great video again chaps. Any chance of doing a bit of in depth regarding the V2L capability of the EV6. Will it work when the vehicle is locked and can you get a continuous amount of energy from the vehicle to power utilities.
@vicheaterx
@vicheaterx 2 жыл бұрын
Second question, answer is yes, the sine wave is actually very clean (but stil has a reasonable output limit, keep it under 2.5 kW and you will be fine). First one, I would say it won't work with the car locked but some existing owners ask questions about weatherproofed appliances and appliance cables that they use outside of the car (it also has an interior V2L socket) so one would expect that to work with the car closed. However, I am sure the car also has some protection against electron-jacking :) by someone charging their car from your EV6 V2L's external socket :D Really curious to see how it is in reality.
@craigmck7271
@craigmck7271 2 жыл бұрын
I’d be really interested if you can repeat the charging issues on the EV6 that Bjorn Nyland has seen when running the AC/Heater at the same time. He demonstrated it on the Ioniq5
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
Charges much slower in the cold
@craigmck7271
@craigmck7271 2 жыл бұрын
@@RSEV Thanks he showed when you had the heating on the charge rated dropped dramatically. Something to do with it not having a separate battery cooling system.
@steveholderness1450
@steveholderness1450 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Peugeot e-208 and the lane keep assist has been turned off since day one! Doesnt default back to on.
@Bessunger
@Bessunger 2 жыл бұрын
I compared ID.4 to MY over apps. 200 mls., MY was 25% more efficient than ID.4 in similar conditions... However, ID.4 was more comfortable. Isn't there an ID.4 - MY Hybrid out there? Thanks for this very practical Vid.
@DarrellC.
@DarrellC. 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Mach E.
@chargeheadsuk
@chargeheadsuk 2 жыл бұрын
How do you think it compares to the Skoda Enyaq? 🤔
@maxgreece1
@maxgreece1 2 жыл бұрын
Have you done any range tests in a model 3 in chill mode? Asking because we seem to be getting the same range 250 miles/400 klm in an SR+. Obviously hard to compare driving styles. We are kinda laid back in that respect.
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
250 is very efficient. Long driven similarly would be 300+ I always try and keep a balance so very much not trying or being conservative. Always possible to do better and worse
@chrischild3667
@chrischild3667 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video again 👍. Have you seen BatteryLife's channel where he showed the amount of kWh put in to each car in comparison to the vehicle's stated efficient m/kWh? The Tesla's all put in 10-15% more kWhs than the actual trip meter reports via m/kWh reading. I.e. Teslas put energy into actively heating/cooling the battery during the charge process, energy which doesn't make it to the wheels. So they are efficient cars on the road but they will cost more at the 'pump' than what you'd expect given said efficiency. Is this something you can corroborate if so, worth factoring in to the group test videos?
@SDK2006b
@SDK2006b 2 жыл бұрын
There are 5-10% charging losses. Nothing is 100% efficient.
@chrischild3667
@chrischild3667 2 жыл бұрын
@@SDK2006b thanks. I said 10-15%. Charge losses obviously nowhere near that level usually. Have a look at the video there are a lot of EVs compared kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNBxqsR3l6_Jn2g.html
@abraxastulammo9940
@abraxastulammo9940 2 жыл бұрын
Did you see how many kWh went "into" the Lucid? 😱
@TheRetroShed
@TheRetroShed 2 жыл бұрын
Just ordered an ID 4 Pro Performance today. Dread to think what the delivery will be on it! 6 months or so?!
@mihaicurelaru923
@mihaicurelaru923 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. My Id4 is a real disaster. I have a real range of 250 km at 100%.
@connor25
@connor25 2 жыл бұрын
Really need to mention the KW each time, as there are different batteries.
@JamesWhited
@JamesWhited 2 жыл бұрын
Did you try to warm the car up before starting via the app?
@simongibbs3936
@simongibbs3936 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that thanks. I have been putting off getting my first EV as I can’t decide which to get. I did like the ID3/4 except for the dash and the haptic buttons. Now you have done some miles how do you get on with them?
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
I like them. My wife has ID3 now 👍
@djwarren5081
@djwarren5081 2 жыл бұрын
@@RSEV I'd love an EV as my next vehicle, but as I don't drive every day, all the talk about the 12v batteries dying in them concerns me.
@bigbullstony43
@bigbullstony43 2 жыл бұрын
@@djwarren5081 had my mg for 8 months theres no problems with the 12v battery on my car. Think the 12v thing comes from the original tesla S with it's vampire drain but that not a thing on other makes of EV. Tesla say to keep your vehicle charging all the time and keep it topped up to 80%. The tesla is always on unlike most ev so there's always a bit of drain. From personal experience of my MG there's no drain because it's dumb. The mg is just a battery of a body with no bells and whistles.
@jonathantaylor1998
@jonathantaylor1998 2 жыл бұрын
@@djwarren5081 I wouldn't let that concern you one bit. I bought a £9,500 2017 Leaf as my first EV nearly 2 years ago now - no issues what-so-ever. Also, though I've never 'noticed' it myself, I'm told that, should there be some 12v battery drain, the traction battery then trickle-charges it back up.
@garybibby2698
@garybibby2698 2 жыл бұрын
Harpenden near Luton? The residents will be apoplectic with rage at being aligned with the Luton massive!
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
😬😂
@klackon1
@klackon1 2 жыл бұрын
Another informative video: thanks a lot. Are EV's without heat pumps at a disadvantage, and have you observed any issues relating to the lack of a rear wiper on the Model Y, EV6 and Ionic5?
@SDK2006b
@SDK2006b 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Polestar 2 and the lack of a rear wiper is the only negative point of the car. This time of year the rear screen is always covered in condensation, which for the school run (5 miles) is very annoying ! It's better when the car is covered in ice because the heating enabled from the App clears it all in 5 minutes.
@djwarren5081
@djwarren5081 2 жыл бұрын
The VW website says that a heat pump (optional extra), improves efficiency and therefore, range. Why not fit one as standard then?
@SDK2006b
@SDK2006b 2 жыл бұрын
@@djwarren5081 - In some areas where it would be a more obvious benefit - like the Nordic countries - it is included as standard. It was left as an option in other places to keep the cost down.
@abraxastulammo9940
@abraxastulammo9940 2 жыл бұрын
@@djwarren5081 Because you might not get your money back from the savings it provides within your ownage timeframe. VW nowadays only promises up to 40% less energy spent for heating.
@rod2625
@rod2625 2 жыл бұрын
Waiting for your take on the ID4 AWD. Hope their next iteration has LFP Batteries, 800v charging and a bit more range.
@buzzofftoxicblog791
@buzzofftoxicblog791 2 жыл бұрын
Saw the old Seris green LWB Land Rover just out side New Forest 🙂 When I see that Landy know Barton on Sea near. Had a test drive id4 great car but bit big bit dull for my but think it will sell lots as people love dull big SUVs. Kie 6 looking more interesting but the Tesla sloons cool low sleek fast and fun 😁.
@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit
@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit 2 жыл бұрын
How is it possible that VW still haven’t updated many id4s to version 3? The new version is either right or wrong. If right it should be in all cars within a couple of weeks NOT years. VW say they are waiting for the factory to finish it! Great car but wow how slow vw are to do the basics.
@robburrows2737
@robburrows2737 2 жыл бұрын
The scheduled charging feature in the ID.4 is simply not fit for purpose. I've had mine back to the dealer. There was nothing they could do. There's been no software update since I bought it 6 months ago. If I switch on from indoors it only charges at an attenuated 1kWh rate. I have to go outside at night in all weathers to plug it in in the early morning to take advantage of my low night tariff - then I have to set an alarm at 4:30am to switch it off. I'm in the UK and VW did nothing to correct the wrong information about the Prolife model here. Unlike the one in the states there's no reversing camera or automatically dipping headlights or automatically switching on of windscreen wipers or MW radio. It's a disgrace for a £41k vehicle- I'll be getting a Model Y to replace it with.
@slainiae
@slainiae 2 жыл бұрын
You should consider keeping an Excel sheet which will record your real-world experiences.
@Stewiedude1
@Stewiedude1 2 жыл бұрын
Yes and a recap at the end with some figures so that when you want to quickly double check, before pulling the trigger on a car, you don't have to scroll through 10 minute videos for salient points.
@RigiLiquid945
@RigiLiquid945 2 жыл бұрын
What economic EV car has the best miles/kWh (Kona, perhaps)?
@ben3989
@ben3989 2 жыл бұрын
Probably the leaf. Since your post Nissan has lowered the price
@stevenbarrett7648
@stevenbarrett7648 2 жыл бұрын
It just looks dull as dishwater, I had a look at one but didn’t bother with a test drive, specs seem slow at the get-go, have VW reduced its 0 to 60 so as not to detract from their sportier ICE performance cars ?.
@UhOhUmm
@UhOhUmm 2 жыл бұрын
It's a VW them being dull is the point? And also probably yes, they don't want to kill their own business by making EV's faster than their "sporty" cars. There is a GTX model which is plenty fast for the road.
@DaraM73
@DaraM73 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing much has changed. March for V3 update.
@abraxastulammo9940
@abraxastulammo9940 2 жыл бұрын
Interim update (at the dealer) neccessary for pre-MJ22 IDs to improve thermal sw and make more components OTA capable.
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 2 жыл бұрын
Hello mate
@djwarren5081
@djwarren5081 2 жыл бұрын
You did call it an id3 when you got back to base.
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
🤦‍♂️😬
@djwarren5081
@djwarren5081 2 жыл бұрын
Does it have the heat pump?
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
Nope…
@mcrkon
@mcrkon 2 жыл бұрын
It's ID.4 not ID.3.I know, it was a long drive.
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
🤦‍♂️😂
@spikebmth
@spikebmth 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of the Kona owners moan about LKA on their facebook page too!
@briankavanagh7191
@briankavanagh7191 2 жыл бұрын
LKA???
@spikebmth
@spikebmth 2 жыл бұрын
@@briankavanagh7191 sorry, Lane Keep Assist
@briankavanagh7191
@briankavanagh7191 2 жыл бұрын
@@spikebmth me too I just keep it off.
@BarryMakariou
@BarryMakariou 2 жыл бұрын
If you kept up a steady 77/80mph on the motorway would it return more like 200miles?
@SDK2006b
@SDK2006b 2 жыл бұрын
The faster you drive the less range you will have due to increased wind resistance. Above 80mph efficiency drops off massively.
@M4rc34
@M4rc34 Жыл бұрын
I’m quite disappointed with my 52kwh id4. Owning 12 months only getting 2.6miles/kWh. I’m looking at changing to Tesla
@paulscott1759
@paulscott1759 Жыл бұрын
You need the 77kwh model
@Twidile1
@Twidile1 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, My wife charged her Kona at a free 50kw Charge place Scotland rapid charger, she left it on for 2 house 7 minutes. [ you no what wimen are like , went shopping ] had a look at the account and car took on 68.37kw , probably had about 20% charge left before it started . Has any one got a figure or % on the Angels share . Kw that seem to disappear.
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
Got to be careful don’t break charge etiquette and only use rapids if need them, and even then only for as short a time as you can. Others must have them available for long journies of course. Try and use destination type chargers when shopping. But anyway, more electric will come out of the charger then can go into battery and that’s due to thermal losses basically. Inefficiencies when charging.
@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit
@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit 2 жыл бұрын
Unlike Teslas the ID4 automatically increases speed as it goes through speed gates.I was surprised as Tesla said EU rules stopped it being allowed. Ive had 3 Teslas and so far I’m impressed with my id4 max
@chiton79
@chiton79 2 жыл бұрын
After 10000 km, I can say that in my ID.4 software has still many lags
@qazim4805
@qazim4805 2 жыл бұрын
Where is Ginc ?
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
Gints busy with other duties (mainly editing!) that day, but he’ll be around in others soon!
@powersurge6878
@powersurge6878 2 жыл бұрын
Gints is in pretty much all the other videos because he’s usually camera man but I think I did ok in the background too 😁💁🏻‍♂️
@stefan2796
@stefan2796 Жыл бұрын
VW has a nasty habit in pushing products onto the market, which have not been fully tested/developed yet. Just wait a couple of years and then the EV's from VW will hopefully give less trouble... (and have a lower salesprice!).
@caractacus22
@caractacus22 Жыл бұрын
As a diesel driver, I have 450 range from full, I then pop into a garage which takes 5 mins for another 450 . I don’t think about it. Also I don’t make videos about range anxiety.
@MegaWilderness
@MegaWilderness 2 жыл бұрын
Why don't you just set your units to metric than trying to mix miles with metric kW/hrs? Don't you see how idiotic it sounds. I'm in the UK too.
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
Because we unfortunately still use imperial measurement in the uk. When driving our displays are in mph. The efficiency is reported in miles/kWh as a result. Not many can report at same time in different units. You choose metric or imperial in car settings basically. If I set the car(s) to display and report km then I won’t know if I’m driving at speed limit without converting. Impractical I think you’d agree, no? I also cannot convert mi/kWh to km/kWh or kWh/100km etc in my head whilst driving and filming. When time allows, we show converted numbers in text overlay on the edit, but it also isn’t too hard for someone to calculate to their preferred unit of measurement. Or am I still sounding idiotic?
@davidmason1919
@davidmason1919 2 жыл бұрын
A little bit clunky as though the editing was rushed, soz.
@Hiltsuk1
@Hiltsuk1 2 жыл бұрын
I hear Volkswagen has stopped making electric cars for two weeks due to the lack of chips 😫
@RSEV
@RSEV 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it’s a severe issue affecting all manufacturers. I don’t get why they just are not resolving it faster. I heard new model Ys will not have wireless phone chargers now - will have to be added later…
@craigmck7271
@craigmck7271 2 жыл бұрын
@@RSEV There are very few places that make the initial silicon plates, the biggest one had a fire. It’s now supply and demand unfortunately. Speculation says well into next year before it returns
@danny.b
@danny.b Жыл бұрын
Is that your boyfriend sitting right next to you?😂😂😂
@JamesWhited
@JamesWhited 2 жыл бұрын
Can you believe the app does not do trip planing? How in the world did Ford do that and VW could not! So bottom line VW did not even try. So, these guys ramble on and do not even mention trip planning.
@JamesWhited
@JamesWhited 2 жыл бұрын
Stupid. Nobody talks about how lame the software is. The Carnet app is ridiculous. Couldn’t they afford programmers? I can not believe Fordpass beats it by a mile.
@midgetShootingGunsAK
@midgetShootingGunsAK 2 жыл бұрын
In depth review is five thumbs 👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿 The EGOLF shifter made it the best EV to drive The new ID.3 shifter they copied from the i3 is JUNK bring back the old shifter or bring back the EGolf. VW missed it on copying junk when there shifter was way way better than any Ev on the market
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 2 жыл бұрын
🤣
@charlessterling8375
@charlessterling8375 2 жыл бұрын
I have an ID4 which is fine but the software is horrendous, completely destroyed the car for me, I can't wait for the tesla model y out off berlin then the ID4 will be finished.
@AWIraq
@AWIraq 2 жыл бұрын
Just please . Be more shorter in speaking at the beginning of video . Just start your trip .
@bigdougscommentary5719
@bigdougscommentary5719 2 жыл бұрын
You NEVER recharge fully at ANY charging stop. Makes me wonder about the expertise of these reviewers. Also, it gets the same range as a Model Y and a LR Model 3 even though they have less battery available, but it gets the same efficiency? That doesn't add up.
@yellowsnowman9157
@yellowsnowman9157 2 жыл бұрын
It adds up because Tesla lies about it's range.
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